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Beeker, actions speak louder than words.

And I seem to reacall that you flamed me for giving you advice on recruiting for a region before you were DEATed.

My opinion of you has dropped from "The Palestinian Empire" to "Drama Nation" at this point.

I hope that you will calm down, and return to being the nice, funny anti-nazi whom you once were.

What about the flaming in all the other threads you've been in - for instance, remember the "Beeker for General Forum Mod" thread in which you flamed repeatedly?

What about all the other times I've had to inform you that your posts were out of line, either due to griefing or flaming of other players (and not just national socialists)?

What about all the times other Mods have had to warn you and/or delete/edit your posts due to their content?

Remember the forum ban? That should have been your last chance, and yet we allowed you to remain far longer than we should have.

And now that Beeker is deleted, you claim we are unfair because we give other players the same chances that we gave to you and which you abused?

It's too late for apologies Beeker. You've been given your final warning a few times now. This is your true final warning.

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Please Beeker, calm down, forgive, forget, behave.

I liked you before, and I do not want to remember you as another Marathon or Drama Nation. :(

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Animosty, hate?

I dont hate you Beeks. I just dislike the fact that you feel it necessary to attempt to make the Mods look bad because you broke the rules. I am disappointed that you're 30 and yet you have to be treated like the average 12 year old. I'm frustrated that as old as you are, you remain unable to accept any kind of responsibility for the posts you've made in this forum, that you'd rather blame it on the Mods picking on you, or claim that I hate you, or that it's the fault of the National Socialists or the racists, etc...

I really cant stand the fact that as many times as you've been warned, and as much as you've known the Mods were watching you, you continued to post your drivel with utter contempt shown towards the Mods.


And now I find it pathetic that you attempt to play to the Mods' sympathies when you finally realize that you have indeed gone too far.

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You asked, I answered.


What's really messed up is that's how you've responded to others in the past, and yet you claim you've done nothing wrong...however, as soon as it's directed towards you it's against the rules/delete-worthy in your mind.

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You asked, I answered.

You flamed me...and you are goading me into responding...I wont give you that satisfaction

No Beeks, I did not flame you. You are now attempting to win popular support for your cause by claiming the Mods are all against you, and are picking on you.

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I am disappointed that you're 30 and yet you have to be treated like the average 12 year old.

Flame

I'm frustrated that as old as you are

Flame

you continued to post your drivel

Flame


And now I find it pathetic that you attempt to play to the Mods' sympathies when you finally realize that you have indeed gone too far.

Flame

Beeker, you shouldn't be antagonizing Neut right now....

Is that no different than what you post Beeks? I was simply stating fact. You asked why I seem so antagonistic, I responded in the same manner that you enjoyed having responded so many times before.

I guess it's only against the rules when someone does it to you, but not when you're the one doing it?

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hahaha, what a tw*t. The veritable final warnung is out, just ban him for etirnity.

Shall I add Amen.

88 Oi!

You are supposed to be a mod neut and imparsial...

And you're supposed to abide by the rules.

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And Beeker, I was impartial. I am still as impartial as I can be. You must realize, when you've broken the rules with as much impunity as you have, the impartiality goes out the window...

It's like begging the judge to be more lenient your 3rd offense because s/he is supposed to be impartial.

See, the judge becomes more and more stern until the criminal realizes s/he's serious. You honestly dont think a judge has the right to put a criminal in his/her place using an increasingly stern tone when the criminal has time and again refused to obey the laws, ignoring warnings and previous punishments with impunity?

Beeks, I agree with Neutered on this. Everytime I went into General about Beeker, I see you acting infantile. I remember one time you posted a thread then apologised because you were on drugs and "high" at the time. Neut's right, you're 30. One would think that when you're 30, you're probably married, starting a family, working your way up the corporate ladder.

Instead, day after day, with Beeker, I see threads that make me shake my head, wondering "Who is this guy"? I even think I noted (when you made the thread about being a mod) that you've done a lot of stuff OOC which makes me question your sanity and maturity.

You're not special. You're NOT king of the world. You don't deserve additional treatment. And most importantly, the world does NOT revolve around you.

While I concede the Mods have been a bit heavy handed, they wouldn't do anything unless the line had been crossed. And you, sir, you've kept crossing the line and posted stuff that was inappropriate.

YES, other people post their "filth", but you had what, over six THOUSAND posts (possibly more) and most of it was that "filth" as you put it.

And even now, you're acting like you're 12, throwing a temper tantrum. Please, act your age.

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If you do go back to the forum and ac like you used too then you will likely not be banned.

And yet Beeker, what you fail to realize is that the slate is not clean. Just like when you go before the judge, if you show that you have not made an effort to clean up your act, what makes you think that judge is going to ignore your past offenses?

There is no such thing as a clean slate. It's called negative pattern recognition. You've failed to recognize the pattern, the Mods, however, havent.

Throughout all your punishments, and in the periods following, you have simply failed to change. You just attempt to avoid the Mods for a few days, and then return to your previous state of impunity for the rules.

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If I have offended anybody then I am sorry...but this feud you seem to have with me must stop...I am hardly public enemy number one...

I hold up my hand and admit...

1) I had the Anti Nazi Brigade and spammed

2) I flamed Spitting Monkey Brains

But those are the only two offences I have done since I have been on here gentleman...January the 5th...

I am sorry...please back off

Sorry to butt in but I flamed SMB as well, a couple of days ago..
If you need details I can look for them, I hope I have not caused anyone grief.

NO??

Thought not...

That pause in the responses was because those of us that have jobs have to drive home from their jobs ;)

If I have offended anybody then I am sorry...but this feud you seem to have with me must stop...I am hardly public enemy number one...

I hold up my hand and admit...

1) I had the Anti Nazi Brigade and spammed

2) I flamed Spitting Monkey Brains

But those are the only two offences I have done since I have been on here gentleman...January the 5th...

I am sorry...please back off


Seriously doubt this is even intended for you to care if I read, much to comment on. Oh well.

I think one of the more recurrent issues I have seen from you as well is posting multiple posts claiming to be innocent while claiming some generic misjustice that you never defined clearer. I call it Shoel syndrome, tho he didn’t strike me as quite as, hmm the nice way to say it—overly confident and pleased with himself.

I can see maybe you were wrong, and now realize it. I just think if you want anything from this forum, or the mods, you should not just apologize for your actions (which is great) but with how you managed those nations since the time of breaking the rules.

You were intellectually dishonest. And if you aren’t sorry for this, cool, it’s your right. Just my O.


Animosty, hate?

I dont hate you Beeks. I just dislike the fact that you feel it necessary to attempt to make the Mods look bad because you broke the rules. I am disappointed that you're 30 and yet you have to be treated like the average 12 year old. I'm frustrated that as old as you are, you remain unable to accept any kind of responsibility for the posts you've made in this forum, that you'd rather blame it on the Mods picking on you, or claim that I hate you, or that it's the fault of the National Socialists or the racists, etc...

I really cant stand the fact that as many times as you've been warned, and as much as you've known the Mods were watching you, you continued to post your drivel with utter contempt shown towards the Mods.


And now I find it pathetic that you attempt to play to the Mods' sympathies when you finally realize that you have indeed gone too far.

You see what I mean...your whole post here is flamebait...I have nothing more to say on this subject


Neut is famous for stepping around the line as far as I am concerned. And for any who follow this thread, I believe he has stepped over the line, way over the line, before. This time, I think he is only on it.

If that is your true age, then it is not unreasonable from him to expect you to accept more responsibilities then a pre-teen. I don’t see it as wrong to expect more.

I agree it is bad to simply try to paint the mods as bad because they are mod. If they err, point it out. If they simply post, let them be. And this has not been the case as I have listed on two threads in the Tech forum (and this is not even your main forum) that you have been flaming mods, which I am surprised you would try.

As to relying on mod sympathies. I think he is cynical, but in no way flaming. I would like to think you changed.

You were intellectually dishonest. And if you aren’t sorry for this, cool, it’s your right. Just my O.

I have to agree with Ack here. Sorry dude. It is kind of an insult to the intelligence the way you try to turn $hit around to make it look like Neut's in the wrong.

If I have offended anybody then I am sorry...but this feud you seem to have with me must stop...I am hardly public enemy number one...

I hold up my hand and admit...

1) I had the Anti Nazi Brigade and spammed

2) I flamed Spitting Monkey Brains

But those are the only two offences I have done since I have been on here gentleman...January the 5th...

I am sorry...please back off

You flamed me long ago. But nothing can of it. ;)

My advice for Beeks:

Take a break from NS... go do something else for a week, month, whatever. Cool off. People will be glad to see you in a month, and the mods (only human after all) will have moved on to something (someone) else.

If you do that, and come back, and just be a wry commentator and party-maker, probably all will be well.

Comments from all?

Hack, Neut, even I have to say I feel for you, having to deal with this guy. I'm 22 and I act older than him.

This was mildly amusing. Then it got annoying. Now it's disgusting. Can you please ban this guy?

I am disappointed that you're 30 and yet you have to be treated like the average 12 year old.

Flame

I'm frustrated that as old as you are

Flame

you continued to post your drivel

Flame


And now I find it pathetic that you attempt to play to the Mods' sympathies when you finally realize that you have indeed gone too far.

Flame

As much as it pains me to say it :wink: in this case, Beeker does have a point. A flame is a personal attack against someone and whilst this is mild in comparrison to many we've all seen, it IS flaming.
Not that I condone stuff Beeker has done in the past, I've seen his temper get the better of him on quite a few occasions, but that isn't a good enough reason to flame him (mildly!!)
Neut, I hope you're big enough to see this and maybe apologise for these words, even if you stand by your point.

Beeks, I'm sorry, but after reading this, I can't support you anymore. You asked a question. Many, in fact. Neut answered them, and then you get all butthurt that he doesn't fall to his knees for you.

As much as it pains me to say it :wink: in this case, Beeker does have a point. A flame is a personal attack against someone and whilst this is mild in comparrison to many we've all seen, it IS flaming.
Not that I condone stuff Beeker has done in the past, I've seen his temper get the better of him on quite a few occasions, but that isn't a good enough reason to flame him (mildly!!)
Neut, I hope you're big enough to see this and maybe apologise for these words, even if you stand by your point.

Any Mod type-peeps care to comment?

What about the flaming in all the other threads you've been in - for instance, remember the "Beeker for General Forum Mod" thread in which you flamed repeatedly?

What about all the other times I've had to inform you that your posts were out of line, either due to griefing or flaming of other players (and not just national socialists)?

What about all the times other Mods have had to warn you and/or delete/edit your posts due to their content?

Remember the forum ban? That should have been your last chance, and yet we allowed you to remain far longer than we should have.

And now that Beeker is deleted, you claim we are unfair because we give other players the same chances that we gave to you and which you abused?

It's too late for apologies Beeker. You've been given your final warning a few times now. This is your true final warning.

Why do you hate me neut?

It wasn't always this way...

What have I ever done to deserve your contempt?

Haters of all types post their filth on these boards day after day...but you would rather cut down me?

Most of my posts are lighthearted fun...so why the animosity?

I think that it is the same with all of us anti-Nazi's. :(

As much as it pains me to say it :wink: in this case, Beeker does have a point. A flame is a personal attack against someone and whilst this is mild in comparrison to many we've all seen, it IS flaming.
Not that I condone stuff Beeker has done in the past, I've seen his temper get the better of him on quite a few occasions, but that isn't a good enough reason to flame him (mildly!!)
Neut, I hope you're big enough to see this and maybe apologise for these words, even if you stand by your point.

Any Mod type-peeps care to comment?

Read Little Danya's post...Beeker asked a question, and I responded with carefully measured responses. Believe me, those are merely responses to his question. If he cant handle me responding, he shouldnt have asked.

What would you expect me to respond with at this point? "Well, uh, gee Beeker, I'm sorry it comes across that I dont like you. I think we can all live in peace, lets just forgive and forget yet one more time all the rules you've broken..."

As much as it pains me to say it :wink: in this case, Beeker does have a point. A flame is a personal attack against someone and whilst this is mild in comparrison to many we've all seen, it IS flaming.
Not that I condone stuff Beeker has done in the past, I've seen his temper get the better of him on quite a few occasions, but that isn't a good enough reason to flame him (mildly!!)
Neut, I hope you're big enough to see this and maybe apologise for these words, even if you stand by your point.

Any Mod type-peeps care to comment?

Read Little Danya's post...Beeker asked a question, and I responded with carefully measured responses. Believe me, those are merely responses to his question. If he cant handle me responding, he shouldnt have asked.

What would you expect me to respond with at this point? "Well, uh, gee Beeker, I'm sorry it comes across that I dont like you. I think we can all live in peace, lets just forgive and forget yet one more time all the rules you've broken..."

I have refrained from commenting 'til now, but....

I've just read the whole thread, including the one where Neut has been accused of flaming. As far as I can see, all he did was respond to Beeks' question. Why bother asking a question of someone if all you want is to be told what you want to hear?

I'll try to state it in a way that can't be construed as flaming, here goes: Beeks loves to dish it out, but can't take it. He has great fun when he's sitting in a thread making comments and his gang are all sitting around in adoration going, "Hee hee hee Beeks you are so funny." Yet when he's on the receiving end, he doesn't like it. That's basically what it comes down to. It's all fine and dandy as long as he's the one dishing it out. As Neut pointed out, that's fine if you're 12, no one would expect anything else. When we reach 30 though, most of us have learned to be able to take criticism without throwing a tantrum.

I've had my arguments with Beeks on here but I don't think he's a bad person, or anything. Misguided, slightly lacking a life perhaps, but not a bad person. It's obvious though that this game/forum/whole situation has become WAY too important in his life. Someone else suggested he take a break and do other things for a change; I think that's a good idea.

To conclude, I'm not particularly bothered whether Beeks stays or gets banned. But all these threads full of whining certainly aren't doing him any favours, it's obvious for anyone to see.

To the Mods: If you feel that anything in this post verges on flaming, please delete the post, and I won't post anything further on this subject. I'm trying to tell it as I see it without flaming, but I'm well aware that certain people are going to scream "flame" at anything they disagree with.

Read Little Danya's post...Beeker asked a question, and I responded with carefully measured responses. Believe me, those are merely responses to his question. If he cant handle me responding, he shouldnt have asked.

What would you expect me to respond with at this point? "Well, uh, gee Beeker, I'm sorry it comes across that I dont like you. I think we can all live in peace, lets just forgive and forget yet one more time all the rules you've broken..."

I'm not saying you weren't responding to his point. Nor am I saying you (the mods) were wrong to delete Beeker for flaming... what I AM saying is that the words you used IN your reply... most notably the comments about him acting his age and being childish, were personal insults, which (be they justified or not) ARE flaming!

I accept that the mods have a very hard time and are always going to upset someone, but you guys (and gals) have to toe the line of the law and need to be able to respond to comments made WITHOUT using (admittedly minor) flames.

Pet, I disagree with you here. Beeks was acting childish. He needs to learn that he doesn't control the mods like he controls half the females on this site. This is not intended to be a flame, it is my observation.

He is a big boy who goes to work every day. He knows how to act.

You know what? Ive been reading beekers posts for a while now.
every time he starts flaming someone....he later calls foul when it gets returned.

Now...im not trying to brownose the mods..frankly i dont care what they do...
I HAVE noticed that they have deleted a few who didnt deserve it.
But they have deleted more who have.

beeks......quit whining. its not helping your cause any.

Nuet......just ignore him man.....this is only antagonizing an ugly situation.

Pet, I disagree with you here. Beeks was acting childish. He needs to learn that he doesn't control the mods like he controls half the females on this site. This is not intended to be a flame, it is my observation.

He is a big boy who goes to work every day. He knows how to act.

I'm not commenting on Beeks though... this is about whether it is right for a Mod to react to a flamer, with (mild) flames of his own?

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Are you still debating this...drop it and move on...I already have

Umm.. yeah, I am, because I think I have a point!

Don't worry, I'm not doing it on your behalf or anything noble like that!! :wink:

Pet, I disagree with you here. Beeks was acting childish. He needs to learn that he doesn't control the mods like he controls half the females on this site.
God , that's an excellent point.

Pet, I disagree with you here. Beeks was acting childish. He needs to learn that he doesn't control the mods like he controls half the females on this site.
God , that's an excellent point.

Please see my response!

Pet, I disagree with you here. Beeks was acting childish. He needs to learn that he doesn't control the mods like he controls half the females on this site.
God , that's an excellent point.

Please see my response!
I wasn't directing any barbs at you. I just thought she made a valid point about the control issue. :)

Pet, I disagree with you here. Beeks was acting childish. He needs to learn that he doesn't control the mods like he controls half the females on this site.
God , that's an excellent point.

Please see my response!
I wasn't directing any barbs at you. I just thought she made a valid point about the control issue. :)

:)

And no offence was taken :)

I was just hoping that one of the mods would comment on my point!

Are you still debating this...drop it and move on...I already have

Very noble of you to start a thread, then drop it when there is debate. :roll:

Are you still debating this...drop it and move on...I already have

Very noble of you to start a thread, then drop it when there is debate. :roll:

ey?

In fairness to Beeks, it is largely ME continuing the debate, in the hope of getting a Mod to comment on the remarks made to Beeker (not the CONTENT of the remarks, which I felt was justified, but the tone of them.)

That's already been explained. If you're too lazy to read through the entirety of my posts or Hack's posts, then that is on you, not the Mods.

To call someone "lazy" is to use loaded language. A rational tone of discourse is more likely to lead this debate to a satisfactory conclusion.

Okay. If you are too disinterested, or unwilling to read through the entirety of my posts or Neut's posts, then that is on you, not the Mods.

The Most Glorious Hack
Senior Forum Moderator

Oh gods, they've claimed you as well?

:?

To call someone "lazy" is to use loaded language. A rational tone of discourse is more likely to lead this debate to a satisfactory conclusion.


I used a rational tone many threads ago. I tend to lose the rational tone when players continue to "discuss" irrationally.

The Most Glorious Hack
Senior Forum Moderator

Oh gods, they've claimed you as well?

:?

Been "Senior" since around the time Rep made Forum Admin...

The Most Glorious Hack
Senior Forum Moderator

Oh gods, they've claimed you as well?

:?

Been "Senior" since around the time Rep made Forum Admin...

Hmm...

iBlind...

*Must* *stop* *hijacking...*

To call someone "lazy" is to use loaded language. A rational tone of discourse is more likely to lead this debate to a satisfactory conclusion.


I used a rational tone many threads ago. I tend to lose the rational tone when players continue to "discuss" irrationally.

Sorry.. I'm a little confused? Do you feel I'm continuing to discuss irrationally? (You ARE aware I'm not related to Beeker/Beeks in any way!)

Just in case my point (which has never been responded to) has got lost... I HAVE read through yours and Hacks posts, and agreed with the sentiment in them, that the nation in question had been deleted for consistant violations of rules which left you with no other options.. however... I felt that the TONE of the response to said nation, was in fact in iteself a mild case of flaming.

To call someone childish IS an insult, directed at a nation. This is pretty much the definition of a flame. Ok, so it's a pretty mild one (and not worthy of even a warning!!), but personally I'm disappointed that it came from a mod (and a highly respected one at that).

Beeks, the general forum crew loves you, but you just lose it some times. You apologise today, but tomarrow you will be flaming and spamming again, its a pattern that I have noticed and the moderators have obviously had to delete your nations for multiple times.

I did indeed respond many times to the accusation that my tone was off-base. As I have stated many times, my first posts on the subject hardly could be considered out of line (at least, as far as my posts have been on this issue as of late). However, continued feigned ignorance by Beeker and his associates, along with their refusal to accept what I posted as being fair/true/etc. simply because they didnt like it, necessitated my change in tone. You'll notice that after I changed my tone, everyone stood up and noticed. As opposed to before, where no one even read all the way through my post, or if they did, completely ignored the point(s) I was making.


Imagine being in a courtroom, Beeks is the defendant and I am the Judge. I began by attempting to explain to Beeks that his inability/refusal to reform after his previous sentences causes myself, and the rest of the Mods, to not have a choice when it came to Beeker's deletion. Beeks then feigns repentance, however, as we all know, it's far too late as the repentance is only temporary (seen before...) due to the loss of Beeker. Beeks then attempts to become abusive towards the Judge, as do many others. In response, the Judge becomes a little more stern. This of course, is lost or used for accusations of injustice towards Beeker.
Due to Beeks continued refusal to accept responsibility for his actions, the Judge becomes a little more curt in his responses, hoping that somehow it will cause Beeks to realize responsibility for his actions, and/or cease his false accusations. Eventually, when the defendant asks a completely asinine question (why the Judge "hates" him for handing out the USUAL punishment), the Judge curtly informs the defendant of the reasons. Being as the defendant doesnt like to see the truth he asked for (asked to be insulted even), he then complains that the Judge's response was far too insulting and should've been more like "uh, gee dude, I'm sorry, you're right, I just did this because I dont like you" or "uh, gee, I just really wish that you'd maybe think about please changing your attitude here on the forums, if that's alright." Neither of which, we know, would be appropriate for the situation at this point.

Though Neut used different wording than I would have chosen, I see nothing wrong with it under these circumstances. There are tiems when a point must be made and isn't listened to any other way.

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SalusaSecondus
Tech Modling
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You flamed me long ago. But nothing can of it. ;)Now that I think on it, Beeks and Phil flamed me when I first got on here. But I'm really more of a live and let live and let it be kind of guy.

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Are you still debating this...drop it and move on...I already have

Very noble of you to start a thread, then drop it when there is debate. :roll:

ey?

In fairness to Beeks, it is largely ME continuing the debate, in the hope of getting a Mod to comment on the remarks made to Beeker (not the CONTENT of the remarks, which I felt was justified, but the tone of them.)

I am all about being fair to Beeker, don’t misunderstand me. But I feel if you are going to start a thread about something, follw-up.

He began this topic. To say that he is honestly sorry for his faults then to post that he deoesn’t care what people say about it hints to a disingenuousness about the apology itself.

Are you still debating this...drop it and move on...I already have

Very noble of you to start a thread, then drop it when there is debate. :roll:

ey?

In fairness to Beeks, it is largely ME continuing the debate, in the hope of getting a Mod to comment on the remarks made to Beeker (not the CONTENT of the remarks, which I felt was justified, but the tone of them.)

I am all about being fair to Beeker, don’t misunderstand me. But I feel if you are going to start a thread about something, follw-up.

He began this topic. To say that he is honestly sorry for his faults then to post that he deoesn’t care what people say about it hints to a disingenuousness about the apology itself.

You may have a point but I believe the thrust of his 'move on' message was to explain that he had gotten over the bitterness of deletion.

Alright, that's fair. It is certainly possible I misunderstood his intent, and if I did I am certainly sorry myself.

Imagine being in a courtroom, Beeks is the defendant and I am the Judge. I began by attempting to explain to Beeks that his inability/refusal to reform after his previous sentences causes myself, and the rest of the Mods, to not have a choice when it came to Beeker's deletion. Beeks then feigns repentance, however, as we all know, it's far too late as the repentance is only temporary (seen before...) due to the loss of Beeker. Beeks then attempts to become abusive towards the Judge, as do many others. In response, the Judge becomes a little more stern. This of course, is lost or used for accusations of injustice towards Beeker.
Due to Beeks continued refusal to accept responsibility for his actions, the Judge becomes a little more curt in his responses, hoping that somehow it will cause Beeks to realize responsibility for his actions, and/or cease his false accusations. Eventually, when the defendant asks a completely asinine question (why the Judge "hates" him for handing out the USUAL punishment), the Judge curtly informs the defendant of the reasons.

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Apologies for a) dragging this back up again after a lengthy gap, and b) waiting several weeks to reply.. I've been on holiday! :)

In your analogy, I do not believe that the judge should ever use insults to get his point across. Yes, I realise it must be frustrating that the point is not getting across, but to me, one of the reasons people get to BE judges, is their level headed nature and (saintly) patience. I'm not saying I don't think you have these qualities, just that I was surprised and maybe a little disappointed that a Judge (Mod) of your reputation (ie good) would go against those virtues.

In your analogy, I consider myself to be participant at the position of 'member of the public audience', hence my surprise at the judge using a mild form of the same method that the defendant is accused of.

Please note, I am NOT related to Beeks, nor do I consider myself one of his 'posse'. He has also not asked me to speak on his behalf (in fact he kinda asked me to shut up about it already... in a nice way!)

Neut is on vacation, so this "gravedigging" is in vain :lol:

-=Corinthe=-

Pacific Freedom Force (http://s2.invisionfree.com/The_Pacific/)

Neut is on vacation, so this "gravedigging" is in vain :lol:

-=Corinthe=-

Pacific Freedom Force (http://s2.invisionfree.com/The_Pacific/)

Thanks, I didn;t know that... but this wasn't intended as grave digging (honest!), it was just I've been on vacation for 3 weeks too!