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Warning or no Warning, there are too many story threads that graphically depict hardcore Porn/uber-disgusting horrifying death threads. I'm aware these all have IC purposes, but I mean, honestly, you'll ban the F word but you'll allow a detailed rape scene or babies crying as they get burnt alive slive or multilated piece by piece.. come on mods, do something about this sick crap. I know they put warnings on a lot of them, but I'd expect Rated R type stuff, this is all NC-17 sick crap.

These people have to be total freaks in real life too...

The official stance on this is to post a warning of graphic content in the first post of the thread and put something related in the subject line. This standard was established with the infamous "Imnsvale Slasher" thread and will continue to be enforced.

Cmon, I posted 2 very obvious warnings. How can I be blamed if you click the link after disregarding the warnings?

The official stance on this is to post a warning of graphic content in the first post of the thread and put something related in the subject line. This standard was established with the infamous "Imnsvale Slasher" thread and will continue to be enforced.Well, let me officially say that ruling is gay. With all due respect, you guys are sick.

Cmon, I posted 2 very obvious warnings. How can I be blamed if you click the link after disregarding the warnings?LOL I know that, That's my point. I'm trying to say warning or not, this sick crap should not be allowed.

Cmon, I posted 2 very obvious warnings. How can I be blamed if you click the link after disregarding the warnings?LOL I know that, That's my point. I'm trying to say warning or not, this sick crap should not be allowed.

Then while we're at it, let's ban all war on NS, seeing as it's too violent.

Cmon, I posted 2 very obvious warnings. How can I be blamed if you click the link after disregarding the warnings?LOL I know that, That's my point. I'm trying to say warning or not, this sick crap should not be allowed.

Then while we're at it, let's ban all war on NS, seeing as it's too violent.Umm... I'm saying graphic depictions should be banned, not violence... you could have very easily said a general idea or summary of events, but you find pleasure in writing detailed cases in stories, with graphic mental images depicted written in a way that leaves nothing to the imagination.

You are sick.

Cmon, I posted 2 very obvious warnings. How can I be blamed if you click the link after disregarding the warnings?LOL I know that, That's my point. I'm trying to say warning or not, this sick crap should not be allowed.
So you see a door that says, behind this door is disgusting stuff that will make you sick. You read it and decide to open the door thereby getting sick. Then you complain that there was disgusting stuff that makes you sick behind the door?
Read the signs, they aren't posted because people have nothing better to do. They are posted for your protection.

Sheesh. You guys... If you can't handle "mature" stuff, then don't read the thread. Seriously. Nobody is forcing you to read it.

Umm... I'm saying graphic depictions should be banned, not violence... you could have very easily said a general idea or summary of events, but you find pleasure in writing detailed cases in stories, with graphic mental images depicted written in a way that leaves nothing to the imagination.

You are sick.

I do not appreciate the OOC insult for my RPing. Not only does your statement offend me, it is uncalled for, because nobody made you click that link that is littered with warnings. Some people like Pantera and myself enjoy in depth RPing, even if it's disgusting.

I bet you've never seen an "R" rated movie before.

Well, let me officially say that ruling is gay.

Hey, wow! I hate homosexuals, too! What a coincidence! :roll:

With all due respect, you guys are sick.

So we're due no respect then? Fabulous.

*sigh* whatever, lock this thread, keep your sick disgusting pleasures to yourself. it's obvious I'm not going to change anything.

*sigh* whatever, lock this thread, keep your sick disgusting pleasures to yourself. it's obvious I'm not going to change anything.
Nice opinion. I wonder what Stephen King books would be like now if this was everyones attitude.

*sigh* whatever, lock this thread, keep your sick disgusting pleasures to yourself. it's obvious I'm not going to change anything.

I'm not going to lock this thread. I want you to realize WHY we have chosen to take this course of action.

Sometimes, for the purpose of in-depth roleplay, it becomes necessary to exploit the more disturbing aspects of life. In fact, I have an ongoing storyline regarding a SLAGLandic electronic sentience programmed to orally pleasure her creator. There is much more to it than that, and the storyline exploits the motivations and weaknesses of both of its main players, so I feel no qualms about doing so. I am not doing this for the sake of shock value; I am doing this for the sake of furthering a storyline in a way that I believe my characters would act.

If I see a roleplay that is an egregious abuse of this perrogative, I will lock it. However, I believe that a graphic depiction of a gunrape of Lavenrunz's Empress Joanna is far more affecting than a mere vague description "and then he gunraped her." It's not as if we're glorifying this stuff, for Christ's sake.

And I reiterate the "you don't have to read it" point.

*sigh* whatever, lock this thread, keep your sick disgusting pleasures to yourself. it's obvious I'm not going to change anything.
Nice opinion. I wonder what Stephen King books would be like now if this was everyones attitude.Um... in case you haven't noticed, Stephen King books aren't censored... duh.

*sigh* whatever, lock this thread, keep your sick disgusting pleasures to yourself. it's obvious I'm not going to change anything.
Nice opinion. I wonder what Stephen King books would be like now if this was everyones attitude.Um... in case you haven't noticed, Stephen King books aren't censored... duh.
My point exactly. Although many people might find them sick and disgusting they are still on the shelves. And in my opinion they are highly entertaining.

And stop flamebaiting. Also, hello.

If I see a roleplay that is an egregious abuse of this perrogative, I will lock it. However, I believe that a graphic depiction of a gunrape of Lavenrunz's Empress Joanna is far more affecting than a mere vague description "and then he gunraped her." It's not as if we're glorifying this stuff, for Christ's sake.

Exactly Slag. I'm furthering Damien's character, because i have many, many big plans for him (which I will not discuss right now. :wink: ).

I'm not just doing this to gross everybody out.

*sigh* whatever, lock this thread, keep your sick disgusting pleasures to yourself. it's obvious I'm not going to change anything.
Nice opinion. I wonder what Stephen King books would be like now if this was everyones attitude.Um... in case you haven't noticed, Stephen King books aren't censored... duh.
My point exactly. Although many people might find them sick and disgusting they are still on the shelves. And in my opinion they are highly entertaining.

And stop flamebaiting. Also, hello.LOL and My point is that NS DOES have Censorship, and yet this stuff isn't censored. We can't say F--- we can't say C--- but we can sure as hell F--- a C--- without any censorship :P

I enjoy in-depth RP. That's well said. I don't approve of extreme gore violence and rape just for the hell of it. I get off and rage about blood and rape and cleansing fire, but that's my style. I enjoy playing an arrogant, drunken viking. I'll do whatever I want with my role, because it's MINE.

Here we are, Roleplaying. Freek pulls the Damien character with sparks and fantastic results, and I applaud him for it. Damien is a bloodthirsty, killyourfukcingass maniacal dictator. The Halls of the Dead thread was one of my favorites, and I don't think I made a single IC coment there. It's good writing, and it adds to the world we're trying to build here. It lends more character than the same old, generic Good/Bad guy.

Rape and kill all you want, we won't care. Play with kitties and wander in the forest with the hippies, once again, we won't care. The warnings are there. If you wrote:"Happy Hugging - Read only if you like fluffy, fun, and peaceful RP" I wouldn't read it, because I don't care to RP shit like that. Plain and simle.

You don't read porn all day just because it's there, do you? You know it's there, it's only a click away. But most people do not sit around like a pervert, oogling porn all day, because most people don't fucking care. There is alot of other shit out there that's badass, you can read it all day long and never lay eyes on the porn.

Rock and Roll.

You guys are missing my point. NS has Censorship, and yet this is not censored.

We can't say words you'd hear in a PG-13 movie, but we can do things you'd see in a Porno... We can't post pics of naked women, but we can rape them and burn their children in graphic linguistic detail...

Why is written Porn not banned but pornographic images are?

At the theater in my hometown, they're showing Underworld and some random kiddy movie. A cartoon and a gory bloody show about vampires and werewolves. Two amazingly different movis, meant for different audiences.

Our brand of R-Rated-RP is in one part of the theater, your PG is in another. Stay out of our side unless you bring a parent. You go see The Lion King, because Ernest Goes To Hell might be too graphic.

ROFL You are soo avoiding my point. I'm talking about censorship. i think we should be allowed to post porn pics if we're allowed to RP out raping someone in detail. (not that i would actually post the pics)

Because morons would spam the forums with Transvestites and midget-porn. 9/10 spammers usually won't take the time to write up a thought out scene, regardless of its content. The day a spammer writes a solid, realistic 20 page RP about a hack-your-head-off maniac is the day I give up my life for NS.

Most people who decide to sit and care for a scene, their characters, and a fictional world enough to spend 2 hours writing up a detailed post wouldn't want to spam porn-pictures in the first place.

I sort of agree with Pantera.

To spam porn in a forum requires knowledge of phpBB [img] tags.

To write a graphic scene that advances a plot, and still stays within the bounds of acceptable posts (as I assume there's a point where it's still too far) requires skill. If the post exists for no reason other than for the author to post some vile nonsense, I would expect it to be locked. There is a certain level of writting ability required to make a proper graphic post.

Also, as has been said several times, those warnings are there for a reason. If a subject line says "[WARNING Graphic Content, May Offend]" what do you expect? I expect something that pushes the bounds of taste. Something that will make people squirm. I don't expect some 'R' rated violence, I expect some truly nasty stuff to happen. I was rather discusted by what happened to Joanna in the Kidnapped thread, and by the events of the Imnsvale Slasher.

And you know what? I stopped reading them. I certainly didn't run crying to the Moderation forum. If these threads are too foul for you, don't read them. There are hundreds of pages of posts on NS and II. I'm sure you can find something else to read.

*sigh* I give up. i sort of see your point.. but... oh nevermind, this is futile.

Cmon, I posted 2 very obvious warnings. How can I be blamed if you click the link after disregarding the warnings?LOL I know that, That's my point. I'm trying to say warning or not, this sick crap should not be allowed.

Then while we're at it, let's ban all war on NS, seeing as it's too violent.Umm... I'm saying graphic depictions should be banned, not violence... you could have very easily said a general idea or summary of events, but you find pleasure in writing detailed cases in stories, with graphic mental images depicted written in a way that leaves nothing to the imagination.

You are sick.

Yes, yes, lets just let all war devolve into simple number posts and "My troops move forward five paces" thereby negating any good RP that may actually happen.

Maybe we could all start RPing like "OMG NOES I NOOKZ JOO! I WIN TEH WAR!!!" no graphic depictions of violence there, perhaps thats the way to go...

Or how about this, you don't like what you're reading, STOP READING IT.
Unlike say TV, you actually have to put forth effort to be disgusted by a thread in the form of reading. It's really easy to not be disgusted, just don't read.

And thats why porn is banned, and good RP isn't.
Unlike a picture of porno, it actually takes some thought to figure out whats going on in a typed post.
Porno==Bam, in your face, visual and easy to understand
THread==Requires ability to read, not to mention the effort put forth to actually understand it.

We can't say F--- we can't say C---


Here's an interesting ruling from the FCC on the use of the
word "f**king". Although I realize that this server is in Australia and not in the United States, the ruling brings up some valid points about when a cuss word is really a cuss word.
http://hraunfoss.fcc.gov/edocs_public/attachmatch/DA-03-3045A1.pdf

For those who don't like to read basically it says:

A cuss word is only a cuss word when the context it's used in indicates and act or object that is offensive in the current social climate.

So the word "f**king" would be ok when used an an adjective such as "This is f**king great!".

/Only partly germain to this discussion.

The official stance on this is to post a warning of graphic content in the first post of the thread and put something related in the subject line. This standard was established with the infamous "Imnsvale Slasher" thread and will continue to be enforced.Well, let me officially say that ruling is gay. With all due respect, you guys are sick.

The official stance is attracted to similar official stances? Weird.


*sigh* whatever, lock this thread, keep your sick disgusting pleasures to yourself. it's obvious I'm not going to change anything.
Nice opinion. I wonder what Stephen King books would be like now if this was everyones attitude.Um... in case you haven't noticed, Stephen King books aren't censored... duh.
My point exactly. Although many people might find them sick and disgusting they are still on the shelves. And in my opinion they are highly entertaining.

And stop flamebaiting. Also, hello.

Anyone else since a bit of a tense, boardering on hostile attitude? Jux, you should just be happy he didn’t call you “gay” or “sick.” He is monosyllabic empowered.


We can't say F--- we can't say C---


Here's an interesting ruling from the FCC on the use of the
word "f**king". Although I realize that this server is in Australia and not in the United States, the ruling brings up some valid points about when a cuss word is really a cuss word.
http://hraunfoss.fcc.gov/edocs_public/attachmatch/DA-03-3045A1.pdf

For those who don't like to read basically it says:

A cuss word is only a cuss word when the context it's used in indicates and act or object that is offensive in the current social climate.

So the word "f**king" would be ok when used an an adjective such as "This is f**king great!".

/Only partly germain to this discussion.

F**king Germans.

Hmm...

That brings. Isn't war and violence also "NC-17"?

Hmm...

That brings. Isn't war and violence also "NC-17"?

It depends on what standards one uses.

This site is modded under the USA interpretation of obscene conduct. That means showing a nipple is considered off-limits, but a graphic pile of human remains from WWII is fine (both refering to previous Mod rulings here).

In other parts of the world this is reversed. It's perfectly possible to see a nipple on prime-time in a TV add for shampoo, but a graphic depiction of human remains will be preceded by a warning regarding explicit content.

So yes, depending where you're raised in the world (and how) the lines drawn here may not make sense to people. I lived in the USA for a few years, and some of the moralisms there are still counter-intuitive to me, although I did get used to them. Some Americans I met explained to me they didn't like the FCC-enforced censorship either, so it's not as if there's one obvious moral standard within the USA itself.

We'll just have to consider it a lesson in cultural differences, though some understanding from the Mods on this would be welcomed. When I see them make statements that it all should be obvious, I tend to cringe. It isn't.

Ballotonia (Dutch)

All this 'graphic detail' is in textual format.

So, in order to be offended, you have to imagine it.

Therefore, anyone who manages to imagine something well enough to be offended shouldn't be complaining.....

All this 'graphic detail' is in textual format.
So, in order to be offended, you have to imagine it.
Therefore, anyone who manages to imagine something well enough to be offended shouldn't be complaining.....

This 'logic' goes completely against the mere presence of filters on specific words to enforce the very same obscenity rules we're discussing here.

Ballotonia

After reading this thread, I have come to the conclusion that there are individuals on NS who enjoy complaining about things that are completely avoidable. If a thread has a warning of graphic content, simply don't read it if you don't want to! You are not forced to read posts or threads, it's your choice. Quit complaining and just avoid the 'disgusting' threads!

All this 'graphic detail' is in textual format.
So, in order to be offended, you have to imagine it.
Therefore, anyone who manages to imagine something well enough to be offended shouldn't be complaining.....

This 'logic' goes completely against the mere presence of filters on specific words to enforce the very same obscenity rules we're discussing here.

Ballotonia

What? In case you were wondering, I'm against swear filters....if people can't handle a word, they shouldn't read. People shouldn't need to be 'protected' from words that are in the dictionary. Besides, everyone knows what 'f---' means, so why bother censoring it?

Stop moaning, and don't read it if you can't handle it.

As this concerns RP, let me put in my two cents.

I stand by the official ruling that a warning should be sufficient. Nobody is FORCED to read. Why take offence? I don't even take offence and just read it if it is written by a "good" player.

While what happened to Joanna was certainly graphic (due to the sick mind of Whisper mostly :P ) it actually was a prime example of good RP: the way the characters responded etc etc. Der Angst also did some graphic scenes in his wars: (think little girl sitting by dead body of dad whose brain has been blown out, brain slowly dripping on the floor...) and actually this depicts the horrors of war accurately. I myself also pay more attention to that side of conflicts and character development. because it is these intense moments that are usually most intense and interesting.

Also, from a "moral" perspective, war and conflict aren't all just might and glory. It is 99% human suffering. As such, it actually should have a place in every decent "war" RP as a constant reminder.

I myself never did much of the ol' graphic stuff. I decribed some bombed cities (Mönchengladbach in Der Angst and The Hague in Knootoss) in detail maybe, and I also did 2 sex scenes. All were needed for character developent and were incorporated in larger RPs.

Also: Hi Ballotonia. We don't post in the same thread often but finally we do now. :wink: (Fellow Dutch delegate)

The slasher thread has been linked to as a good example of RPing with no warning of the content, so don't say there's always a warning.

CC, are you basically complaining that the mods are being hypocrites?

Let me explain in this manner...

When a graphic scene is RPed, you have to put forth effort to be offended or disgusted. You cannot see the paragraph and instantly become offended, you MUST put forth effort to be offended. Thus, if you ignore the warnings and put forth that effort, it is your fault and no one elses that you are offended. Quite simple really - if you dislike being offended, then do not read past the warning...

When a pornographic picture is posted, there is no effort put forth by the viewer. Anyone ever heard "A picture says a thousand words?" There is no reading involved, no effort on the part of the viewer - the viewing of the picture is done mostly passively (there are a few that view it actively, but we're not going there...). Thus, the difference.

In response to your queries as to why curse words are censored and graphic scenes are not, I respond with this: curse words are hardly a part of the everyday political spectrum, whereas describing a horrific scene in all it's graphic nature is a very powerful tool of coercian when used appropriately. At no time is what is considered foul language necessary to be used in a political setting. However, imagine the ambassador to the UN from Kosovo asking for assistance because his people are suffering. Which would be a more effective tool of coercian: the ambassador simply quoting numbers to the entire UN body, or the ambassador relating quite horrific scenes in all their graphic nature to the entire UN body? Where in either of those scenarious would the usage of "fuck" be required, or even appropriate?

Lolz.

Nobody forces you to read anything. Unless you are held at gunpoint and forced to take a written quiz, that is.

When I looked at the Kidnapped thread (which had a very precise warning), I first thought "OMG YES HARDCORE PR0N!!!!11111one"

But then as I went past the title and actually read the thread, my feelings toward it changed greatly. Something like this:

:D
:)
:?
:|
:(
:cry:
:evil:
*stops reading*
*leaves* :arrow:

Notice the part where I discontinued reading and left (halfway through reading, I might add). I may find it horrible, disgusting, sick, twisted, deranged, and have fantasies of Whispering Voices being viciously murdered, but I certainly respect their right to write out gruesome rape scenes.

... However, I do think you have a point about the word "f[udge]" being censored.

Ideally I'd like to allow you to set your own censorship level, so if you want profanity removed, that happens, and if you don't, it's not. But unfortunately we're not that sophisticated. NS2, NS2. ;)

Anyway, there is a big difference between using distasteful events in a fictional story you're writing, and posting an image depicting them. First, as already mentioned, it requires a higher level of sophistication to read a story, compared to simply viewing an image. Second, it's easier to stop reading a story if it's heading in a direction you don't like; you can't do that with an image. And third, a story is fictional, while a photo image, even if it's used in a psuedo-fictional context, is definitely not.

As also mentioned by others, whether people are warned what kind of content they'll be reading/viewing is important too, whether it's images or text.

The official stance on this is to post a warning of graphic content in the first post of the thread and put something related in the subject line. This standard was established with the infamous "Imnsvale Slasher" thread and will continue to be enforced.Well, let me officially say that ruling is gay. With all due respect, you guys are sick.

*ponders*

Note to Capsule Corporation: Never read one of my books...

...Hey, wow! I hate homosexuals, too! What a coincidence! :roll:

*kills kills kills*

...

*runs*

:P

]Ideally I'd like to allow you to set your own censorship level, so if you want profanity removed, that happens, and if you don't, it's not. But unfortunately we're not that sophisticated. NS2, NS2. ;)

Anyway, there is a big difference between using distasteful events in a fictional story you're writing, and posting an image depicting them. First, as already mentioned, it requires a higher level of sophistication to read a story, compared to simply viewing an image. Second, it's easier to stop reading a story if it's heading in a direction you don't like; you can't do that with an image. And third, a story is fictional, while a photo image, even if it's used in a psuedo-fictional context, is definitely not.

As also mentioned by others, whether people are warned what kind of content they'll be reading/viewing is important too, whether it's images or text.

*cough*hasaphpBBmodwhichdoesthat*cough*

So, if sexual content is only described in words... it will still be locked I guess?

Because a nipple description is easy to read?

The next time someone asks what drives people to become invaders, I'm linking them to this thread. :wink:

WARNING: THIS POST CONTAINS GRAPHIC CONTENT IE MORTAL VIOLENCE AND A HOMOSEXUAL THEME: DO NOT READ IF YOU ARE LIKELY TO BE OFFENDED OR IF THIS IS ILLEGAL IN YOUR AREA.

...Hey, wow! I hate homosexuals, too! What a coincidence! :roll:

*kills kills kills*

...

*runs*

:P

Hey I heard that too...

*checks the body of SLAG to see if it is still breathing*

"Hmmmm.... maybe he is still alive. Lets kill again just be sure."

*Kicks his foot in SLAGs stomach repeatedly. YOU - DIRTY - HOMOPHOBIC - PRANKSTER*

"Yup, definitly dead."

*runs after Peng-Tau*


"Don't let em get to you. Big ol' meany SLAG probably wasn't serious anyways."
*snuggles explicitly*

WARNING: THIS POST CONTAINS GRAPHIC CONTENT IE MORTAL VIOLENCE AND A HOMOSEXUAL THEME: DO NOT READ IF YOU ARE LIKELY TO BE OFFENDED OR IF THIS IS ILLEGAL IN YOUR AREA.Reading that some people die is a lot different than reading a description of how they die...

Oh? But the warning for the "homosexual theme" was correct? :roll:

I was just fooling around...

WARNING: THIS POST CONTAINS GRAPHIC CONTENT IE MORTAL VIOLENCE AND A HOMOSEXUAL THEME: DO NOT READ IF YOU ARE LIKELY TO BE OFFENDED OR IF THIS IS ILLEGAL IN YOUR AREA.Reading that some people die is a lot different than reading a description of how they die...

WARNING: THIS POST ACTUALLY DOES CONTAIN AN EXAMPLE OF EXPLICIT VIOLENT CONTENT!

She swung the bat around a second time. A third, fourth time, each hitting him hard with painful accuracy; one to the groin, one to the skull, another to the front of the face, knocking him out. He slumped to the ground face downwards.

She swung again, this time impacting with the back of his head. She heard his skull crack, and swung again, hitting him square in the same place, causing it to cave in. Grey matter and blood spewed from a large gash caused by the bone in the back of his head onto the carpet.

She threw the bat across the room, and walked off, leaving his lifeless body on the ground...

WARNING: THIS POST CONTAINS AN EXAMPLE OF EXPLICIT VOLENT CONTENT!I figured you were just joking, too, so I read your post...I will trust the warnings now...

WARNING: THIS POST CONTAINS AN EXAMPLE OF EXPLICIT VOLENT CONTENT!I figured you were just joking, too, so I read your post...I will trust the warnings now...

;)

WARNING: THIS POST CONTAINS AN EXAMPLE OF EXPLICIT VIOLENT CONTENT!

He walked into the Common Room as lunch began . . . [Big edit]

I hope I was not spamming or hijacking this thread . . . Just an illustrative example. ;)

[EDITED in the interests of on-topicness] :oops:

WARNING: This thread has gotten way off-topic

Holy crap, I just found myself agreeing with Raevyn...

At any rate, he is right. Please bring this back on topic. We all know what a graphic depiction of violence is, we don't need examples here, there's plenty in the NS forum.

i say all of you censors can take your false sense of morality and shove it. I will not sacrafice my rights of free speach "for the sake of the children." Graphic items shall continue, if it is too gross, dont read.

Eh, stop dregging up old topics.


And should you start posting "graphic items," you'll see just how quickly I can access the Mod Centre and Modbomb you and your posts straight to the 7th level of Hades.


Oh...and have a nice day :D


(yes, this is an official warning since you're posting intent to post graphic items).

The reason for this thread getting bumped is because I linked in an RP of mine that some may find offensive (yes, multiple warning are posted). In order to clear the thread of OOC remarks, I linked it to this one.