Racism!
If the decision on racism is that it is not allowed, then the mods should moniter the region "Middle East"
For a few weeks, and you will find many people who exploit arab stereotypes and love genocide of jews, arabs, whites, blacks, whoever.
Please watch us from up on high.
Tactical Grace
05-10-2003, 23:00
They are allowed to express those opinions. I could give you the names of dozens of Nazi regions. Expressing those politics only becomes a rule-breach when there is an explicit incitement to violence, spamming/flaming, or inclusion of derogatory references in the customisable fields of nations or regional factbook entries. Making your national animal a Jew, putting a swastika onto your flag or threatening another player on the basis of their race are out. But aligning yourself with race hate politics is not against the rules. You will notice that the vast majority of such nations are very careful to walk along that line without crossing it.
They are allowed to express those opinions. I could give you the names of dozens of Nazi regions. Expressing those politics only becomes a rule-breach when there is an explicit incitement to violence, spamming/flaming, or inclusion of derogatory references in the customisable fields of nations or regional factbook entries. Making your national animal a Jew, putting a swastika onto your flag or threatening another player on the basis of their race are out. But aligning yourself with race hate politics is not against the rules. You will notice that the vast majority of such nations are very careful to walk along that line without crossing it.
Ok, so what your saying is that if we, Leb and myself were to set up a region called.....Oh I don't know, Bin flying, and we all had nice little chats about wiping out the Satanic States of America, we'd be left alone?
I, ahem, think not.
I think most of us are aware of how things work around here, by now.
Right boys and girls?
They are allowed to express those opinions. I could give you the names of dozens of Nazi regions. Expressing those politics only becomes a rule-breach when there is an explicit incitement to violence, spamming/flaming, or inclusion of derogatory references in the customisable fields of nations or regional factbook entries. Making your national animal a Jew, putting a swastika onto your flag or threatening another player on the basis of their race are out. But aligning yourself with race hate politics is not against the rules. You will notice that the vast majority of such nations are very careful to walk along that line without crossing it.
Ok, so what your saying is that if we, Leb and myself were to set up a region called.....Oh I don't know, Bin flying, and we all had nice little chats about wiping out the Satanic States of America, we'd be left alone?
I, ahem, think not.
I think most of us are aware of how things work around here, by now.
Right boys and girls?
Where is all this favoritism for racists? Some of the most stringent and numerous rules are against us specifically. There are no other rules that deal with a particular set of people. Swastikas are not allowed, certain names for ethnic groups are not allowed, all the threads that are discussing anything to do with other races/minorities are monitored more closely than most.
The-Bebop
06-10-2003, 00:01
They are allowed to express those opinions... ...Expressing those politics only becomes a rule-breach when there is an explicit incitement to violence, spamming/flaming, or inclusion of derogatory references... ...or threatening another player on the basis of their race are out.
...and we all had nice little chats about wiping out the Satanic States of America, we'd be left alone?
I, ahem, think not.
Pardon my interference, but what are you, slow?! Stop trying to prove a point. If you want to make your own site where you can be uber racists, by all means, knock yourselves out.
They are allowed to express those opinions... ...Expressing those politics only becomes a rule-breach when there is an explicit incitement to violence, spamming/flaming, or inclusion of derogatory references... ...or threatening another player on the basis of their race are out.
...and we all had nice little chats about wiping out the Satanic States of America, we'd be left alone?
I, ahem, think not.
Pardon my interference, but what are you, slow?! Stop trying to prove a point. If you want to make your own site where you can be uber racists, by all means, knock yourselves out.
Me? Racist? LMAO. READ MY POST
Oh and stop selective editing.
The-Bebop
06-10-2003, 00:17
Better idea- stop telling me what to do. The quotes were only edited so as to reach the point more quickly. They weren't even grossly out of context.
Tactical Grace
06-10-2003, 00:21
Ok, so what your saying is that if we, Leb and myself were to set up a region called.....Oh I don't know, Bin flying, and we all had nice little chats about wiping out the Satanic States of America, we'd be left alone?
By the Moderators, yes. By other players, probably not, you would certainly catch a bit of flak. But you would have to threaten, spam or verbally abuse other players in order to attract the attention of the Mods. Merely being controversial is not enough. Offences have to be obvious and clear-cut in order to be punishable.
Ok, so what your saying is that if we, Leb and myself were to set up a region called.....Oh I don't know, Bin flying, and we all had nice little chats about wiping out the Satanic States of America, we'd be left alone?
By the Moderators, yes. By other players, probably not, you would certainly catch a bit of flak. But you would have to threaten, spam or verbally abuse other players in order to attract the attention of the Mods. Merely being controversial is not enough. Offences have to be obvious and clear-cut in order to be punishable.
Tac, I respectfully disagree, No, there are some in the Moderator Clan that like crusades, and pickup trucks.
As for you Bebop, calling me an uber racist is laughable. I was making a point, which I had hope you'd have grasped, but obviously I was wasting my time.
Tactical Grace
06-10-2003, 00:35
Tac, I respectfully disagree, No, there are some in the Moderator Clan that like crusades, and pickup trucks.
I would hope not. The idealist in me would like to think they have more integrity than the rest of us, but I guess they are just players after all.
As for you Bebop, calling me an uber racist is laughable. I was making a point, which I had hope you'd have grasped, but obviously I was wasting my time.
Yarm has a point, he was speaking hypothetically. In any case, this part of the discussion should end now.
Tac, I respectfully disagree, No, there are some in the Moderator Clan that like crusades, and pickup trucks.
I would hope not. The idealist in me would like to think they have more integrity than the rest of us, but I guess they are just players after all.
As for you Bebop, calling me an uber racist is laughable. I was making a point, which I had hope you'd have grasped, but obviously I was wasting my time.
Yarm has a point, he was speaking hypothetically. In any case, this part of the discussion should end now.
Sadly I think I'm right on the first point, at least you knew what I was talking about. Thanks Tac.
Spherical objects
06-10-2003, 01:02
Beware the orbit of the Sputnik.
Beware the orbit of the Sputnik.
Its a bit like Comets of Old don't you think?
1066 and all that.
The-Bebop
06-10-2003, 01:07
I would continue the arguement, but I'll listen to authority when rebellion is unnecessary.
Spherical objects
06-10-2003, 01:10
Beware the orbit of the Sputnik.
Its a bit like Comets of Old don't you think?
1066 and all that.
I'll start on the tapestry now I think, watch out for that arrow..........too late.
Beware the orbit of the Sputnik.
Its a bit like Comets of Old don't you think?
1066 and all that.
I'll start on the tapestry now I think, watch out for that arrow..........too late.
Oh well I always fancied a Monocle
They are allowed to express those opinions. I could give you the names of dozens of Nazi regions.
:shock: dozens! I have a long way to go.
Neutered Sputniks
06-10-2003, 04:20
Yarm, should you continue to grief myself, I believe that other GMs will have no problem deleting your nation. Griefing a Mod is the same as griefing other players.
If you dont like me, just say it.
However, understand that you not agreeing with actions I've taken does not make them any less warranted of an action. Stop fighting the Man just to fight the Man...Being as I have not been removed from the Mod ranks, I'd have to say that Max and [violet] both feel I am quite fair and as unbiased as possible - and believe me, I know I've generated more than my fair share of emails to Admin.
Enforcing the rules is hardly an abuse of powers...if I were to really abuse my powers, General would cease to be the cesspool it has become merely because there would be no one posting the mindless drivel that clogs the board now.
Fight the Man if you must, but realize that just because you are fighting does not mean that you are right and the Man is wrong...sometimes it just means you dont really understand the concept of the social contract - you join a community, you give up certain rights to allow for good conduct and order and to allow for the enforcement of such rules/laws as may be necessary to ensure good conduct and order. You agreed to abide by certain rules when you created your nation, you are free to leave at any time.
Yarm, should you continue to grief myself, I believe that other GMs will have no problem deleting your nation. Griefing a Mod is the same as griefing other players.
If you dont like me, just say it.
However, understand that you not agreeing with actions I've taken does not make them any less warranted of an action. Stop fighting the Man just to fight the Man...Being as I have not been removed from the Mod ranks, I'd have to say that Max and [violet] both feel I am quite fair and as unbiased as possible - and believe me, I know I've generated more than my fair share of emails to Admin.
Enforcing the rules is hardly an abuse of powers...if I were to really abuse my powers, General would cease to be the cesspool it has become merely because there would be no one posting the mindless drivel that clogs the board now.
Fight the Man if you must, but realize that just because you are fighting does not mean that you are right and the Man is wrong...sometimes it just means you dont really understand the concept of the social contract - you join a community, you give up certain rights to allow for good conduct and order and to allow for the enforcement of such rules/laws as may be necessary to ensure good conduct and order. You agreed to abide by certain rules when you created your nation, you are free to leave at any time.
Right firstly, did I use your name anywhere?
Secondly, you’re not the Man, you a Moderator on a Web Site.
As far as life goes, my young friend, this is a mild passing amusement.
So please don't go over estimating the importance of either yourself or this web site.
Neutered Sputniks
06-10-2003, 05:56
If it's really not that important, why do you keep raising the same stink over the same issues time and again?
If it's really not that important, why do you keep raising the same stink over the same issues time and again?
Its not me I'm afraid. I'm just a gullible little plebe that goes along with the Mob.
My dear NS, if this were a film, you'd be the Baron, and there'd rather a lot of people outside your castle with brands and pitchforks. Going;
"Wooor, Argh. OOOOOOh" and the like.
Neutered Sputniks
06-10-2003, 06:03
Or maybe there'd just be a small group of 20-30 immature males and females yelling that it's unfair that the rules were enforced against one of their own...
Either way, this isnt a film, and I'm not quite as immature or dumb as you'd like to think...
Or maybe there'd just be a small group of 20-30 immature males and females yelling that it's unfair that the rules were enforced against one of their own...
Either way, this isnt a film, and I'm not quite as immature or dumb as you'd like to think...
Have I ever used the words Dumb or Immature to describe you? No.
Have I ever been vociferous with you? No.
I have however voiced my opinion several times. Which I noticed did not go down a bomb.
Not my problem.
No this isn't a film, its a game. I myself am happy to admit I am a big Kid sometimes, it does not make me immature however.
I personally wasn't even here when Beeker got deleted., although I'd have voiced my displeasure.
I'll finish with this, I don't actually know you, only what you project.
So, I'd be incredibly dumb to think that all that we see on here is you we all wear masks of some sort.
It just some don't realize, people should be more honest with themselves.
Now extract what you will from that.
I have to get my breaks fixed.
Good Night, or Morning, or whatever.