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Or at least attempted half-assed ones, anyway. The better part of the region of "000 Stalingrad" has been planning to invade the Corporate Islands and boot all of its members. Just check their message board. Oh, and here's a little quip I borrowed from, Flamazon, the leader of this movement.
Dear Comrades! I have found out some important information about how to take over Roania and his Nazi region of the Corporate Islands. Their region is not password protected and their delegate has only five endorsements. If I can get in there and have at least six of you endorse me we can then send all of them to the rejected realms! :D Now wouldn't that be nice!? After that we should all decide what is to happen to their region. Please!...lets do this tomorrow!!! everyone who plans to undergo this plan please send me a telegram immediately! Thank you good Comrades and I bid you a good night! Da Svidanya,
@--;--- Marina Vladiovna RomanovaUpon seeing this, I temporarily moved to their region and posted a letter, then moved back. That letter was:*walks past region, then suddenly notices its existance and turns around to face it*

Well, hello there! It seems a lot of misinformation has been going around reguarding our region, and it appears that you're planning to invade it. That is a sad turn of events, seeing as our region is

A) Inhabited by NO NAZIS (the last Nazi country in our region, "Hitlers Nazi Army", was ejected for being named such).

B) Not evil. In fact, we let our robots do most of the grunt labor, saving the easy jobs for humankind.

C) Impossible to invade, due to the reasons that Nianacio listed. In case you didn't see 'em, they are:
--1) You will be deleted if you attempt invasion
--2) The delegate can't ban nations
--3) I, of course, am the founder


I gotta say that it sucks that you planned all of this out, and then it crumbles away like this, but it's region crashing, and is a perfectly stupid alternative to normal RP.

Goodbye, and my best,
CEO Jai Resi
The Resi Corporation

Also, Flamazon made a regional invasion thread a while back, which is what clued me into the whole thing. Unfortunately, I failed to find it after a ton of digging.

Sincerely,
B()B
The Guy Who Plays as the Resi Corporation

Wait- so talking about region crashing on another forum concerns the mods how?

Wait- so talking about region crashing on another forum concerns the mods how?

Wait- so talking about region crashing on another forum concerns the mods how?Planning region crashing, not just talking about it.

Wait- so talking about region crashing on another forum concerns the mods how?

It concerns them when it is talk about griefing.

Dear Comrades! I have found out some important information about how to take over Roania and his Nazi region of the Corporate Islands. Their region is not password protected and their delegate has only five endorsements. If I can get in there and have at least six of you endorse me we can then send all of them to the rejected realms! :D Now wouldn't that be nice!? After that we should all decide what is to happen to their region. Please!...lets do this tomorrow!!! everyone who plans to undergo this plan please send me a telegram immediately! Thank you good Comrades and I bid you a good night! Da Svidanya,
@--;--- Marina Vladiovna Romanova

key phrase highlighted,to show where it becomes griefing

I come across stuff like that all the time, I have tipped off a lot of regions over the months. If you see someone planning to grief and don't like it, the first thing to do is inform the natives of the intended target. Only when the invasion is in progress should the Moderators be contacted. And I am sure their attitude will be that it is only a crime once it has been committed.

Right. And this really has to be the most pathetic attempt at it that I have ever heard of.

Right. And this really has to be the most pathetic attempt at it that I have ever heard of.Same here. It was a total hack job on the invaders part, and the bad thing about it is that these guys are supposedly experienced.

you can Talk about griefing all day long, that is not illegal to my knowlege, however once they do grief, as they have made it known that they were planning to, then open both barrels on them,
however if they are just invading , then it isnt illegal, as region crashing is Legal, and so sayeth the Max, so sayeth the Flock, if ya dont like it then begone from the light and depart unto the darkness.

you can Talk about griefing all day long, that is not illegal to my knowlege, however once they do grief, as they have made it known that they were planning to, then open both barrels on them,
however if they are just invading , then it isnt illegal, as region crashing is Legal, and so sayeth the Max, so sayeth the Flock, if ya dont like it then begone from the light and depart unto the darkness.But isn't an ounce of prevention worth a pound of cure? These guys are obvioiusly going to invade, so why not stop them before they do?

Here's a little gem I found on their regional message board:
Lets crash the damn Region already!!

But isn't an ounce of prevention worth a pound of cure? These guys are obvioiusly going to invade, so why not stop them before they do?


because if they dont grief you are punishing them for a crime they have not commited, and therefore have commited a worse crime yourself,
if they are doing a legal invasion, then all is good, once they start griefing, then Blam, Blam, both barrels.

because if they dont grief you are punishing them for a crime they have not commited, and therefore have commited a worse crime yourself,
if they are doing a legal invasion, then all is good, once they start griefing, then Blam, Blam, both barrels.SO? They haven't committed it, but they WILL commit it. Do you think that an entire region is just going to up and change their minds?

you cannont punish someone for soemthing they havnt done, this isnt Minority Report the game, it is Jennifer Government Nationstates, and well, you start punishing folks for uncommited offences and you will open a Pandora's box, noone wants to try to shut.

you cannont punish someone for soemthing they havnt done, this isnt Minority Report the game, it is Jennifer Government Nationstates, and well, you start punishing folks for uncommited offences and you will open a Pandora's box, noone wants to try to shut.

While I see your point...I have to agree with 1.

you cannont punish someone for soemthing they havnt done, this isnt Minority Report the game, it is Jennifer Government Nationstates, and well, you start punishing folks for uncommited offences and you will open a Pandora's box, noone wants to try to shut.Actually, the world post 9/11 is a more accurate description, where the United States attacked countries that would be threats further down the line.

In any case, I think a MOD should at least tell them that they're being watched. No deletion, but it will still act as a major deterrant.

In any case, I think a MOD should at least tell them that they're being watched. No deletion, but it will still act as a major deterrant.
They are days behind as it is, without doing tip-offs. That's for people like me, and anyone else who feels like it. In any case, watching them run into a sudden password is far more fun.

Yeah, but passwording the Region is a pain in the a$$.

It should only be a temporary measure, implemented for a duration sufficient for the would-be invaders to lose interest.

It should only be a temporary measure, implemented for a duration sufficient for the would-be invaders to lose interest.Yeah, but it would interrupt the flow of nations to our region, which is something I cannot permit.

You should not worry. Even though you have a pitifully small number of UN member nations for a region of that size, you are an active Founder, and you have denied the Delegate access to Regional Controls. In the event of an invasion, you can simply eject them.

Wait...

The regional Delegate has no access to the Regional Controls.

If they invade, they can only seize the delegacy, but can't do anything with it.

Therefore, a griefing invasion cannot happen, as hard-coded controls prevent it.

Therefore, they cannot break the rules in regards to your region.

Therefore, punishing them for talking about actions that haven't happened, and cannot happen seems rather silly.

QED

Just give 'em a warning or something, that's all I ask. I've secured my region, but others might be in danger. You don't have to delete or ban anyone, just send them a friendly telegram explaining the consequences of the actions they've described. I'm sure that'd be enough of a deterrant.

Dear Comrades! I have found out some important information about how to take over Roania and his Nazi region of the Corporate Islands. Their region is not password protected and their delegate has only five endorsements. If I can get in there and have at least six of you endorse me we can then send all of them to the rejected realms! :D Now wouldn't that be nice!? After that we should all decide what is to happen to their region. Please!...lets do this tomorrow!!! everyone who plans to undergo this plan please send me a telegram immediately! Thank you good Comrades and I bid you a good night! Da Svidanya,
@--;--- Marina Vladiovna Romanova

key phrase highlighted,to show where it becomes griefing

I’m not saying these guy seem like St. EinSTeinS here but lets not overact. Are we going to say that boasting is now against the rules? If so, then we are going to lose a lot of nations in this game.

you can Talk about griefing all day long, that is not illegal to my knowlege, however once they do grief, as they have made it known that they were planning to, then open both barrels on them,
however if they are just invading , then it isnt illegal, as region crashing is Legal, and so sayeth the Max, so sayeth the Flock, if ya dont like it then begone from the light and depart unto the darkness.But isn't an ounce of prevention worth a pound of cure? These guys are obvioiusly going to invade, so why not stop them before they do?

Here's a little gem I found on their regional message board:
Lets crash the damn Region already!!

Please be sure to understand the different between invading and greifing. One is against the rules.

you cannont punish someone for soemthing they havnt done, this isnt Minority Report the game, it is Jennifer Government Nationstates, and well, you start punishing folks for uncommited offences and you will open a Pandora's box, noone wants to try to shut.Actually, the world post 9/11 is a more accurate description, where the United States attacked countries that would be threats further down the line.

And this completely does not belong in this forum. If you want to discuss wide-raging issues such as this, I suggest The General Forum.

Yeah, but passwording the Region is a pain in the a$$.



It should only be a temporary measure, implemented for a duration sufficient for the would-be invaders to lose interest.Yeah, but it would interrupt the flow of nations to our region, which is something I cannot permit.

Then you invite an invasion. The rules are clear, and if you allow free trade unhinged then you allow the possibility of invasion. Them be the rules.

Wait...

The regional Delegate has no access to the Regional Controls.

If they invade, they can only seize the delegacy, but can't do anything with it.

Therefore, a griefing invasion cannot happen, as hard-coded controls prevent it.

Therefore, they cannot break the rules in regards to your region.

Therefore, punishing them for talking about actions that haven't happened, and cannot happen seems rather silly.

QED

Just give 'em a warning or something, that's all I ask. I've secured my region, but others might be in danger. You don't have to delete or ban anyone, just send them a friendly telegram explaining the consequences of the actions they've described. I'm sure that'd be enough of a deterrant.

But not only did they not break rules, it is actually impossinle to break these rules at the moment. What should they be warned for? Not breaking the rules?

Ackbar, if you want to be a forum-specifics lawyer, then go chew out everyone that makes an OOC post in the NS or II forums.

But not only did they not break rules, it is actually impossinle to break these rules at the moment. What should they be warned for? Not breaking the rules?For conspiracy to break the rules. There are laws like this in real life.

Ackbar, if you want to be a forum-specifics lawyer, then go chew out everyone that makes an OOC post in the NS or II forums.

But not only did they not break rules, it is actually impossinle to break these rules at the moment. What should they be warned for? Not breaking the rules?For conspiracy to break the rules. There are laws like this in real life.

I’m not a lawyer, don’t get the reference. Again, tho, are you suggesting that all who boast be held accountable. Because I see A LOT of boastful Rpers.

:lol: I advise that you and look at the regions 000 Stalingrad AND the Corporate Islands, there you will find some interesting posts. You are being just plain silly Resi! :lol: :lol: :lol:

@---;---- Marina Vladiovna Romanova, Empress of Flamazon

:lol: I advise that you and look at the regions 000 Stalingrad AND the Corporate Islands, there you will find some interesting posts. You are being just plain silly Resi! :lol: :lol: :lol:

@---;---- Marina Vladiovna Romanova, Empress of FlamazonYou lied before in your invasion thread in the forum, you could easily be lying now.

Our defences are at full, and will not be lowered for some time.

:lol: I don't care about your defenses! I'm pretty much part of the Corporate Islands now and post there freely. Even Roania which was my enemy and target trusts me! And why not? What am I lying about? Have you seen the posts at Stalingrad? They are attacking me from all sides and accusing me of not being what I say I am. If I was lying would this be going on? My guess is no. And anyway what are you talking about? When was I lying before? :? If you have any questions, answers or doubts directed at me then telegram me as well as post here if that is what you want to keep on doing. Oh and by the way...(I don't think they're going to see this thread) there are two killer nations at Stalingrad who are looking to crash a region...don't worry I took care of that (I think) One of them mentioned your region so keep your defences up.
Da Svidanya! :D

@--;--- Marina Vladiovna Romanova, Supreme Empress of Flamazon

You lied when you said in your thread that you'd never dream of attacking the Corporate Islands, and then you went on ahead and started to talk in the regional board about doing just that.

For all I know, you could be communicating by telegram not, or on AIM or something. I'm not letting my guard down, and I'm continuing not to trust you until you prove I should do otherwise.

But not only did they not break rules, it is actually impossinle to break these rules at the moment. What should they be warned for? Not breaking the rules?For conspiracy to break the rules. There are laws like this in real life.

I don't know if there are any such rules on NationStates. If someone brings this to the attention of the mods, then I suppose that a telegram could be sent to remind the suspected conspirators of what, exactly, is illegal in invasions.

However, if they haven't done anything wrong yet, then no official action will be taken.

Since you're Founder and you have disabled Delegate access to Regional Control, griefing of your region is impossible. Spam would be the worst you would have to worry about.

--The Modified Democratic States of Cogitation
NationStates Forum Moderator

:? Ok man now you're just being paranoid...but do keep your defences up as those two nations want to do what I already mentioned. I won't. Yeah I know what you're thinking and you know what? I really don't have the time to be sending all of those nations telegrams much less on AIM. I actually have a life. And if you don't trust me oh well I'll live i'm sure of that. I don't have a clue as to how you would want me to prove that. And as far as I can see, I don't have to prove anything to anybody. I suppose that only time will tell. :roll:

Flamazon quit flamebaiting.

Flamazon and The Resi Corporation: I suggest that you two don't talk to each other for a while.

Since The Resi Corporation has disabled Delegate access to Regional Control in "Corporate Islands", no griefing can occur.

I don't think that anything further can be accomplished by this topic except a flame war. Hence, iLock.

--The Modified Democratic States of Cogitation
NationStates Forum Moderator