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Satan, one of NationStates oldest nations (November 24th, 2002) was murdered last night, after posting several polls for the Satan Awards. Someone considered this "spamming" & went crying to Stephistan, who first began locking threads, then deleting polls. Finally, she deleted Satan completely--no warnings, no forum ban--complete deletion (Satan has never been banned or deleted before, I might add).

When the Empire of Bastard (another "November" nation) began making inquiries into this apparant heavy-handedness, Neutered Sputniks quickly deleted that nation as well, under the pretense that the word "Bastard" (which, unlike f***, is not banned by the forum):

From http://www.nationstates.net/forum/posting.php?mode=quote&p=1589765
I bet you do Satan reborn...too bad you came back with an offensive name and it has to be deleted too... Interesting how the forum censors the word 'f---' but not the word 'bastard'. Seems to me that 'bastard' doesn't cross the admins 'offensive' threshold.
They *did* delete one of Satan's rebirths, called "Bastard", Eugenia. That is my point. This was Neut's pathetic excuse for the deletion of Bastard. I was just pointing out that unlike 'f---', 'bastard' does not cross the admins 'offensive' threshold as it is plainly visable here.

I doubt anything can or will be done about this, as the mods seem to believe themselves beyond all criticism, and play favorites with their genuflecting lapdogs. However, I'd still be interested in seeing what everyone else has to say--this game really isn't fun when you constantly have to censor yourself so someone won't cry.

Stephistan's a forum mod. She can't delete nations.

I'll be the first to stand up and defend you Satan...

But the whole first page was spammed up with your posts...not the brightest move by any stretch of the imagination...perhaps a forum ban for a week or so would have been more appropriate 8)

Your awards were a farce, you deserved deletion for them.

I'm not sorry to be sure, but I certainly wasn't expecting it.

Your awards were a farce, you deserved deletion for them.

A farce? Of course the Satan Awards were a farce! You expected people would actually receive golden trophys in the mail or something?

Satan should have just been forum banned. That's what you should get for messing up the forums, a forum ban. Not deletion of nations in my oppinion.

But if you conitnuessly do it, especially with new nations than you should get deleted. But because this was not the case I certainly think that forum ban would have been sufficient.

Parambola! 1000 posts! Woo hoo!

Your awards were a farce, you deserved deletion for them.

The Satan Awards was fun and popular...when it was just one thread :lol:

No problem with the awards, just that ya made so many goddamn polls! :roll:

Parambola! 1000 posts! Woo hoo!

I've been there earlier already :wink:

Parambola! 1000 posts! Woo hoo!

I've been there earlier already :wink:

Well, none the less

Justified. Self-aggrandizing ego monsters who ruin a whole board for everbody else just so they can look important need a life as well as a ban.

Head line: Satan's murder: Justified or Heavy-Handed?

Who did satan murder?

:twisted: Yes!They killed him,now I am the Queen of Hell!Long live me! :twisted:

:twisted: Yes!They killed him,now I am the Queen of Hell!Long live me! :twisted:

*Bends "Mom" over & violates her--again.*

There were almost two pages of tht spam.

He deserved it.

Head line: Satan's murder: Justified or Heavy-Handed?

Who did satan murder?
Don't know.

Looks like a posthumous confession from his ghost

Aww, did your ego get bruised little baby?

---Post deleted by NationStates Moderators---

"Self-aggrandizing ego monsters who ruin a whole board for everbody else just so they can look important need a life as well as a ban."

Yeah, those mods are real pains ;)

Aww, did your ego get bruised little baby?

You know, that's technically flaming. If I was a snitch I'd cry to the mods.

awfully biased poll, as I recall Satan was warned several times about his various naughtynesses, yet failed to listen even once, maby his ghost will learn from his corporeal forms mistake.

I abstain from voting

Should Satan have been deleted?

Hell no! There is no way he should have been deleted. There are a lot of people who do a lot worse on NationStates, yet no action is ever taken. There are a number of nations that the powers that be would love to get rid of, and as soon as they think they have the slightest excuse, they will take it.

Please bring Satan back with a final warning, he was one of the most important people, yet a person who deletes for little reason killed him.
LONG LIVE HELL!
And oh yeah, gonna find a way to delete me?

Well you know how it is with all these mods and the like.. In real life people like them are usualy not very sucessfull, stuck in a dead end job and whatever little power they can gain they grab and holds onto for dear life. Whenever they can opress and show their might they do and if somebody challenges them they see no rason not to abuse their station. After all them being in power justifies their actions.

Satan was a pretty clever I guess.. making all these little jokes and pulling his nose at those that would wish him harm, but everyone gets bored sooner or later.. so Satan's eminent deletion really came as no surprise. As injust as it might have been I believe that even Satan himself sort of expected this.

If you fill a whole forum with polls no matter how funny, if you aren't a mod people are going to get upset, not because you do this but because their own stupid little posts doesn't get their time in the spotlight. Everybody knows this and Satan did to.
Maybe he wanted to get a bann so that he could rant about that? Maybe he wanted to even get deleted? regardless of his plans what the mods did was pretty vain. Him flooding the forum one time even though there was a very good reason for him doing so, had nothing to do with his other 'pranks' and should have been judged seperatelly. A strong word and maybe a punishment.. like say hmm... not allowing him to post in the forum for two months or something.. but this? this was a travesty! These guys were abusing their powers!

The way I hear it - Satan isn't telling the whole story. There were previous spam incidents, previous warnings, and then last night - final straw.

I can't say I'm sorry to see Satan go; he annoyed the hell out of me. But if, as alleged, he didn't receive a warning or forum ban, then that was out of line. I wasn't really following the situation so I don't know all the details.

Well, I can't say it's overly supprising to see Satan get deleted (regardless of whether or not it's justified). However, Bastard didn't seem like it did anything to deserve a deletion, and the reason given wasn't good enough, IMO.

I have a question for the moderators:

Was Satan informed by telegram, prior to his deletion, that failure to cease from posting his award poll threads would result in his deletion?

I have a question for the moderators:

Was Satan informed by telegram, prior to his deletion, that failure to cease from posting his award poll threads would result in his deletion?
Extremely unlikely. I was on beginning to end, and watched him start a dozen threads. He carried on starting more even as many were getting locked, and made jokes about it. Then he was deleted in mid-flow. The whole thing lasted no more than an hour.

In any case, I do not believe a telegram warning was necessary. The on-going locking of the threads he was starting should have been warning enough. It is common sense, really. When that started happening, he should have held back.

:cry: Satan was cool,they should have let him stay.No.

Please bring Satan back with a final warning, he was one of the most important people, yet a person who deletes for little reason killed him.
LONG LIVE HELL!
And oh yeah, gonna find a way to delete me?

as I understand he had Many Many Final warnigns and did not heed them, he has therefore been punished, perhaps this will make him understand the errors of his ways.

I'm not sorry to be sure, but I certainly wasn't expecting it.

Of course you're not. If someone doesn't agree with you, they obviously need to be silenced and not allowed to speak. Sieg heil, long live communistic dictatorship under Spoffin!

i say the mods should bring back Satan. why? because the satan awards were cool, his nation name was satan, AND he was only deleted for flooding a thread. ive seen some nations that have done a LOT worse than him, and have yet 2 b deleted. http://216.40.249.192/s/cwm/3dlil/mad.gif i know you all r wondering why i would care, when i haven't seen most of his work, but i have my ways of gathering information...http://216.40.249.192/s/contrib/ruinkai/FIREdevil.gif so, my decision still stands. BRING BAK SATAN!

ive seen some nations that have done a LOT worse than him, and have yet 2 b deleted.
Here's a freaking hint.

If you see these nations....
FRIGGIN TELL THE MODS.

They can't discipline someone they don't freaking know about.
Is that so hard to understand?

:cry: Satan was cool,they should have let him stay.No.

Satan is and was cool

Since you ask, seems it was a really dumb decision on your part. Whenever you have a thread about Biggest Bastard in Nation States (which I was sad to hear I was not even in the running) then you should expect swift action. This was pure trolling as I can see, encouraging other nations to flame.

That said, it seems that the reason you were deleted was for starting so many polls, not because the content. While I think the content was a factor enough for some mod action, simply posting that many polls—seems an odd reason for your nation to have been deleted, yes, but what do I know.

Should Satan have been deleted?

Hell no! There is no way he should have been deleted. There are a lot of people who do a lot worse on NationStates, yet no action is ever taken. There are a number of nations that the powers that be would love to get rid of, and as soon as they think they have the slightest excuse, they will take it. Please don't support Satan's cause, for Satan's sake :wink:

Now about the shameful 'bastard' issue:
Gee, let me think...why would a nation titled "bastard" be deleted...do I really need to answer that one, or are you going to continue playing dumb?

That wasn't the only nation with "bastard" in its name. On top of that, you'll notice the word "bastard" appears unedited in these forums, unlike some other words that people might find offensive. Let's have some consistency, shall We?Um, shit isn’t edited in the forums either...nor are a number of other words that are considered offensive.

We were consistent, we dealt with the problem we knew about ;)Note the little wink wink nudge nudge say no more. Lets get a few things straight: "bastard" is a word that has not been in the 'unsayable' category even on American network television for quite a while now. It is an E-level 'cuss-word' at most. "Nazi" and "moron" are far more offensive. But if all of the bastards, Nazis and morons here are deleted on the basis of their names alone (as many of my ansectors, none of whom were Nazis or morons but rather epsteins and rabinovitzes, were in the 30's and 40's) I am afraid that the word 'free' will become verba non grata as well and my own days here shall be numbered.

I am not, nor have I ever been a 'mod hater' as I have served as mod on other forums, but the situation is clear:

Neut (&co?) can carp about the letter of the law all he wants, but in this case the spirit has clearly been violated by bastard's deletion. Neut has as much as said in the above quote that he deleted bastard because he could and there is nothing that anyone could do about it. He has his weak story and he's sticking to it, but don't be fooled: he doesn't believe in it anymore then any of you do.

Just my opinion.

Um, where I, and most of the other Mods, come from, "bastard" is an offensive word, and is not spoken in polite company.

Maybe we're old fashioned, I dont know. Whatever the reason, it was determined that "bastard" is an offensive term.

Whatever the reason, it was determined that "bastard" is an offensive term. Indeed. One can determaine just about anything if one is determained enough to do so.

Can we please have a complete list of such 'offensive' words, btw? And how is the game any more 'polite company' than the forum? The "civil HQ" does not censor 'bastard' unlike certain other 'naughty' words either. When did the threshold crawl from "emotionally-crippling hate speech" to "words that just arn't said in polite company"?

When nation names arent able to be debated, or responded to whereas calling me a "bad" name I can respond to ;)

When nation names arent able to be debated, or responded to whereas calling me a "bad" name I can respond to ;) Ah but the crux of it is that the nation did not call you any sort of name and thus required no response. It called itself, and its people bastards. I myself find it quite possible to respond to offensive (or for that matter interesting) nation names and flags by TG, or posting my comments on a thread in which the party of interest is active in just as well as I am able to respond to 'offensive' content that is posted here.

FUCC THE SYSTEM!!!

GLOBAL RIOTING IS CALLED :twisted:

When did the threshold crawl from "emotionally-crippling hate speech" to "words that just arn't said in polite company"?Never, because it's always been that way.
Take the word fuck.
It's always been banned. Yet you seem to be implying that only emotionally crippling hate speech was originally banned.

I fail to see how the word fuck qualifies as emotionally-crippling hate speech.
Indeed, the word fuck in and of itself doesn't qualify there, yet it's always been banned.

So what does this mean?
It means that the creators of the website, in laying down the rules banned names which were either constituted of commonly offensive words or phrases.

Bastard is commonly considered an offensive word (the proper usage was and still is a derogator insult to children produced out of wedlock).

Therefore, since bastard is commonly considered offensive and the rules forbid such words or phrases in a name, it is safe to say that a nation with "Bastard" as part of its name is violating the rules.

Said violator is then fair game for deletion.

Um, where I, and most of the other Mods, come from, "bastard" is an offensive word, and is not spoken in polite company.

Maybe we're old fashioned, I dont know. Whatever the reason, it was determined that "bastard" is an offensive term.

Well, well, Neutie. Guess what? If the word is really so "offensive," then please show Us how fair & unbiased you are by deleting the Rogue Nation of Sneaky Bastards. Sneaky Bastards is UN delegate of Space Sector RPRA, a region founded by your fellow mod, Reploid Productions.

Now, personally, I don't want to see Sneaky Bastards deleted, but I do expect you to play fair. Therefore, I would prefer that you revive the Empire of Bastard, as your argument for deletion is assinine, as one of your fellow mods lives in the very same region whose delegate has a similar name.

When did the threshold crawl from "emotionally-crippling hate speech" to "words that just aren’t said in polite company"?Never, because it's always been that way.
Take the word f---.
It's always been banned. Yet you seem to be implying that only emotionally crippling hate speech was originally banned.

I fail to see how the word f--- qualifies as emotionally-crippling hate speech.
Indeed, the word f--- in and of itself doesn't qualify there, yet it's always been banned.

So what does this mean?
It means that the creators of the website, in laying down the rules banned names which were either constituted of commonly offensive words or phrases.

Bastard is commonly considered an offensive word (the proper usage was and still is a derogator insult to children produced out of wedlock).

Therefore, since bastard is commonly considered offensive and the rules forbid such words or phrases in a name, it is safe to say that a nation with "Bastard" as part of its name is violating the rules.

Said violator is then fair game for deletion. Interesting story, but it has no relation whatsoever to reality. I happen to have proof that nations with the word bastard in them have existed under the mods' very noses and yet no action has ever been taken. The word 'fuck' btw enjoys a special status in the English language as the class-A #1 undisputed king of all unprintables. "Bastard" is nowhere near this- there are historical NS precedents for the toleration of this word in nations' names, and there is no common cultural justification for it to be on the same list as 'fuck', or even 'shit'.

EDIT: ah Satan’s Ghost has let the cat out of the bag. I didn't want to pinpoint a long-tolerated and law-abiding 'bastard' nation myself for fear of causing a belated hindquarters-covering rush for consistency. But there you have it. BTW... isn't Reploid actually the founder of said region?

I've seen two very interesting points in this thread. Yes indeed that was Flaming as quoted above. I'd be interested in hearing about any action taken about it.

The second point would be consistency. If you want to draw a rule about a rule or a flag - then it should be consistently upheld. Otherwise noone will know what the rules are until someone is punished for it becasue someone else currently has a wild hair up their bum.

I never knew Satan but a nation who was as old as he should be treated with a whole load more of respect.

This guy was older than alot of the mods if he was formed in november.

I would like to say that he and his comrades have Blue Moon's support aswell as my own.

That "hes old repect thing" makes no sense. That should not matter. His actions should get the same punishments as those of one made yesterday.

Look this all goes to what the man, the legend, George Carlin says, it's not the word that's offensive, it's the CONTEXT.

If you say "The nation of Sneaky Bastards", that's not insulting anybody. Well except maybe him, but why would he call himself a name he finds offensive?

I mean come on, even in school if there was a curse word in literature we were reading, we would just read it and keep going.

Obviously if someone posts something like "F*&* YOU, YOU M&#*&@ F(*&#@(*& B#$(*&#$ SON OF A B#*&#$" etc., etc., then that should not be tolerated (after all this is a family site, and it isn't actual LIFE or DEATH).

Um, where I, and most of the other Mods, come from, "bastard" is an offensive word, and is not spoken in polite company.

Maybe we're old fashioned, I dont know. Whatever the reason, it was determined that "bastard" is an offensive term.

Nice try but the ruling is that word is against the rules - so states a mod!

This guy was older than alot of the mods if he was formed in november.

...and?

From how I see it, if the word 'bastard' has been deemed unacceptable, then any and all nations with the word in their names should be warned, and if they fail to heed the warning, they should be deleted.

Just my two cents.

From how I see it, if the word 'bastard' has been deemed unacceptable, then any and all nations with the word in their names should be warned, and if they fail to heed the warning, they should be deleted.

Just my two cents.

Speaking purely as a player of the game and not as a mod, this argument makes little or no sense. Nations are unable to change their names and neither (anymore) can the mods, so the nations in question would seemingly "fail to heed the warning".

Look, this is silly.

If he got deleted then no show of 'support' from a 'majority' of five or six people posting here will get him back. Especially when most of whats being said is direct attacks and accusations against moderators.

The only person who can get him back is him. He can go to the _game_ moderators and request that they restore him and he will have to be pretty darn convincing about not planning to do it again.

In the end... this game and these forums are open to all. Anonymously and without judgement of background, (pre-NS) past or nature. The moderators don't owe us anything... they could run these forums like psychotic dictators... throwing out people from looking at them funny and all sorts of things that Mod powers permit. They don't... and the people they choose to be new mods are chosen from people who wont either. If you don't like how its run... go somewhere else. *shock* go spam another forum.

The majority of 'rules' on these boards boil down to the standard Rule 7 I've seen on other boards: "Don't take the P*ss". (and Rule 8 "Unless its funny")

Satan took the yellow water and ignored it when they made it clear that it wasn't funny. Hence he got deleted. End of story.

Um, where I, and most of the other Mods, come from, "bastard" is an offensive word, and is not spoken in polite company.

Maybe we're old fashioned, I dont know. Whatever the reason, it was determined that "bastard" is an offensive term.


Well I consider the word 'Neutered' to be an offensive word and I think that many others do as well. I mean calling yourself neutered of all things? If you aren't a eunuck are you then just making fun of all those poor fellows that can't reproduce any longer?
So you see if you had been on the other side of the fence would you have liked it if a person delted your nation just because you called it
'neutered' ?
Please consider you actions before you take them next time.



From how I see it, if the word 'bastard' has been deemed unacceptable, then any and all nations with the word in their names should be warned, and if they fail to heed the warning, they should be deleted.

Speaking purely as a player of the game and not as a mod, this argument makes little or no sense. Nations are unable to change their names and neither (anymore) can the mods, so the nations in question would seemingly "fail to heed the warning".


Ah but a question for you as well madam, do you consider naming your country 'Bastard' enough reason for deletion? If you do, then do you do agree that all nations that have the word 'Bastard' in their name should be deleted as well.. to be fair I mean? Or do you consider 'Neutered Sputnics' actions in this case to have been out of order? maybe you even think that he might have deleted the nation 'Bastard' just because the naion belonged to the same person that was the nation 'Satan' and he was irritated with him?

Bastard is also a British Sir Name(last name)in fact it is also mine.

http://www.imagesofdorset.org.uk/Dorset/019/intro.htm

Recipe for regeneration:
take one careless
tallow chandler and
two ingenious Bastards.

Funny thing is I normaly use my name Iron Bastard. But have been deleted from two games then reinstated. My full name is Robert Iron Bastard.

Some say I am an evil Bastard:twisted: (mainly the wife) :tantrum:

Look, this is silly.

If he got deleted then no show of 'support' from a 'majority' of five or six people posting here will get him back. Especially when most of whats being said is direct attacks and accusations against moderators.

The only person who can get him back is him. He can go to the _game_ moderators and request that they restore him and he will have to be pretty darn convincing about not planning to do it again.

In the end... this game and these forums are open to all. Anonymously and without judgement of background, (pre-NS) past or nature. The moderators don't owe us anything... they could run these forums like psychotic dictators... throwing out people from looking at them funny and all sorts of things that Mod powers permit. They don't... and the people they choose to be new mods are chosen from people who wont either. If you don't like how its run... go somewhere else. *shock* go spam another forum.

The majority of 'rules' on these boards boil down to the standard Rule 7 I've seen on other boards: "Don't take the P*ss". (and Rule 8 "Unless its funny")

Satan took the yellow water and ignored it when they made it clear that it wasn't funny. Hence he got deleted. End of story.
Amen to that!

Well I consider the word 'Neutered' to be an offensive word and I think that many others do as well. I mean calling yourself neutered of all things? If you aren't a eunuck are you then just making fun of all those poor fellows that can't reproduce any longer?
So you see if you had been on the other side of the fence would you have liked it if a person delted your nation just because you called it
'neutered' ?
Please consider you actions before you take them next time.

The difference? Bob Barker never used the term "bastard" at the end of one of his shows ;) In all seriousness, look at the context. A nation is spamming/flamebaiting/trolling all over General. He's deleted. His puppet comes back and starts trolling the Mod(s) responsbile, not only has the trolling continued, but when the title of the puppet is taken in context with the posts and the player's previous record, it becomes something more than just the term "bastard" referring to a child born out of wedlock.




Ah but a question for you as well madam, do you consider naming your country 'Bastard' enough reason for deletion? If you do, then do you do agree that all nations that have the word 'Bastard' in their name should be deleted as well.. to be fair I mean? Or do you consider 'Neutered Sputnics' actions in this case to have been out of order? maybe you even think that he might have deleted the nation 'Bastard' just because the naion belonged to the same person that was the nation 'Satan' and he was irritated with him?

Just for the record, Enodia is male, not female ;). Context, context, context...why does everyone always conviently forget about context when it benefits their personal agenda more to do so?

Or do you consider 'Neutered Sputniks' actions in this case to have been out of order? maybe you even think that he might have deleted the nation 'Bastard' just because the nation belonged to the same person that was the nation 'Satan' and he was irritated with him? It would be better if he was at least honest about it. As it is, he refuses to acknowledge any reason but that the name was 'offensive'. Bastard is also a British Sir Name(last name)in fact it is also mine.

http://www.imagesofdorset.org.uk/Dorset/019/intro.htm

Recipe for regeneration:
take one careless
tallow chandler and
two ingenious Bastards.

Funny thing is I normally use my name Iron Bastard. But have been deleted from two games then reinstated. My full name is Robert Iron Bastard.

Some say I am an evil Bastard:twisted: (mainly the wife) :tantrum: And there you have it. Nice try but the ruling is that word is against the rules - so states a mod! Right, that is exactly the point. But a mod shouldn't be able to twist and bend the rules according to his moods, and I'm not saying that they usually do, but this is certainly the case here. Or at least he should be honest about it. From all of the evidence and arguments provided here (not to mention common sense, but then that fine concept is as malleable as the criteria for deletion has apparently become around here) the deletion of "Bastard" was inconsistent with past and following actions as well as the very English language.He's deleted. His puppet comes back and starts trolling the Mod(s) responsbile, not only has the trolling continued, but when the title of the puppet is taken in context with the posts and the player's previous record, it becomes something more than just the term "bastard" referring to a child born out of wedlock.
What was the 'bastard' refering to? Why hasn't Neut come out and said this?

Bastard is not a bad word, nor is it really considered a swear word anymore. If you think it is, then that's your personal opinion.

BTW, if bastard is a bad word, then what is Sneaky Bastards still doing here? I'd hate to single him out, because he's an awesome RPer and a great friend, his nation's name does have bastard in it. But deleting SB for that reason would be stupid and an abuse of powers.

Bastard is not a bad word.

Context, context, context...why does everyone always conviently forget about context when it benefits their personal agenda more to do so?

Um... at a guess I'd say because it benefits their personal adgenda?
(yes, I know it was rhetorical)

The difference? Bob Barker never used the term "bastard" at the end of one of his shows ;) In all seriousness, look at the context. A nation is spamming/flamebaiting/trolling all over General. He's deleted. His puppet comes back and starts trolling the Mod(s) responsbile, not only has the trolling continued, but when the title of the puppet is taken in context with the posts and the player's previous record, it becomes something more than just the term "bastard" referring to a child born out of wedlock.


I smell Bravo Sierra. The fact of the matter is, Bastard didn't troll the mods--he merely questioned the rashness of your actions.

I thought deletion was a little extreme. I'd like to know why he didn't just get forum banned. :?

From: http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=73018&start=0

Face it, Neutie: Your reason for deleting Bastard was flimsy & contrived, and when called out on it, you start obfuscating with more BS about "context." Your personal vendetta has cost you much of your credibility. I see two routes you can take to regaining it:
1) Put your money where your mouth is & delete ALL nations containing the word "bastard" in their names; or
2) Admit that you were wrong and restore the Empire of Bastard.

Or I could just delete SatansGhost for continuing troll myself even after being deleted twice for trolling ;)

Or I could just delete SatansGhost for continuing troll myself even after being deleted twice for trolling ;)

Typical. Rather than address the issue at hand, you resort to threats.

Typical? How about typical would be telling you that you've already had your response. Grow up Satan. You got caught. Deal with the consequences of your actions.

Typical? How about typical would be telling you that you've already had your response. Grow up Satan. You got caught. Deal with the consequences of your actions.

Obviously, I'm not the only one who realizes that the excuse you gave for deleting Bastard was assinine. You've shown by your actions here that some mods obviously play favorites. Otherwise, why does Sneaky Bastards continue to exist? I thought such naughty words were against the rules?

Either that or you just missed the conversation about context. Satan, you are being formally warned to knock off the trolling. Should you continue, you will yet another of your nations deleted.

Either that or you just missed the conversation about context. Satan, you are being formally warned to knock off the trolling. Should you continue, you will yet another of your nations deleted.

You're avoiding the issue again, Neutie. Why didn't the issue of "context" come up when Bastard was deleted, hmmmm? ONLY after I called you out on it & pointed out how other similarly-named nations were allowed to exist did you bring up "context." The fact is, I've shown that the Emperor wears no clothes, and unable to admit you were wrong, you respond with threats.

And please, provide Us with an example of Bastard's trolling.

In the interests of stopping this issue - if this version is to be deleted - I'd suggest having another mod do it.

This issue isn't going to go anywhere in public - and I'd suggest taking it up with other mods.

NS? While I understnad your frustration - this is leading down a very bad path. Get another mod to step in.

Satan? You aren't going to win in public. Get your points together and contact another mod that might be more sympathetic via Telegram.

I think that this may be a better solution than the wall currently in the headlights.

1st, the Mods are in agreement. See, we have this wonderful private IRC channel where we can discuss issues such as these.

Satan, quit while you're ahead.

LM, there is no need to refer to this a different "less-biased" Mod. Satan's posts are trolling. The only reason I havent deleted him yet is because he'll return and argue that I've proven his point.

While you all might like to play "politics," I prefer to cut through the BS.

"less-biased" Mod.
I didn't say that. Please don't ascribe words to me that are inflammatory. It's rude.

Second - You might call it politics - others might see it as not escalating a bad situation.

Remember star wars? The more you tighten your grip - the more systems slip thru your glove?

The blanket statement concerning nations using "bastard" is a little inaccurate. The Satan-puppet "Bastard" was deleted for continued flaming/trolling coupled with a nation name that severely toes the line. Again, the context issue.

In short: Law-abiding bastard nations have nothing to fear. Flaming bastard nations are, to use the moderator slang term, "DEAT".

-The Mod Squad