NationStates Jolt Archive

[violet] wrote:

Telegramming other nations to lobby them for support is fine, of course. That's half the game. But if they're trying to talk to the entire region, they should use the regional message board. Players who use a macro or similar to send the same message to hundreds of people should be warned not to spam.

So, there you have it folks. The top admin has spoken. You may in fact lobby UN delegates via telegram for support!

Stephanie
Forum Mod

So, there you have it folks. The top admin has spoken. You may in fact lobby UN delegates via telegram for support!

Manually TMing hundreds of people isn't regarded spam?!?! Oh that's awful. Bad ruling IMHO, but if that's the way it is, I'll just have to get used to it.

I do hope you understand that this merely means that if the spam (MY definition of it) gets too bad, we'll just put a non-active nation in the delegate seat and forget about UN stuff entirely (and have the factbook entry state to contact the founder for all non-UN topics). You can't possibly force anyone to vote unless you're willing to make non-voting a deletable offense.

Ballotonia

Just thought of something else...

Now introducing: a *LEGAL* way to clear an enemies telegram box!

- Get together with 9 of your friends. Invasion armies will have no problem with this, they're operating together by design anyway.

- After endorsing one another, you all submit a UN proposal. Make it a serious one tough, so be creative. Only submit something you'd actually like to see passed.

- The ten of you now all have the right to send a message to any delegate, thus clearing the inbox of the 'victim' / UN Participant.

If you want, you can even go further and clear the telegram inbox of the top 100 or so most important delegates in the game! As long as the ten of you do this manually, ofcourse.

Anyone who actually DOES this will make me very angry, and I would actually like to inflict physical damage onto you for doing so. But, it's all perfectly legal, so they say.

Ballotonia

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Sending telegrams asking for support for a legitimate UN proposal is legal. I will ask [violet] if it's legal to telegram someone and invade their region.

--The Modified Democratic States of Cogitation

The moral of the story is, children...
don't give them freaking ideas!

Security through obscurity is NO security...

Ballotonia

...The ten of you now all have the right to send a message to any delegate, thus clearing the inbox of the 'victim' / UN Participant.
Not only that, it's also possible to endorse people who aren't delegates, then send telegrams to them once they get the position. No real defence against it either, apart from leaving the region or the UN before the update...

I too believe that this is a poor ruling (assuming that it is indeed intended as a ruling, and that there's not going to be an option to foward telegrams to a supplied email address in the near future). In addition, it does not make any mention of cases where a delegate replies to a nation asking them not to send them any further telegrams, or cases where a nation sends a telegram requesting support for a proposal created by another nation.

or cases where a nation sends a telegram requesting support for a proposal created by another nation.

Oh lord, I hadn't even thought of that. In that case all one would need to legally clear someone's inbox is ten puppets.

Ballotonia

or cases where a nation sends a telegram requesting support for a proposal created by another nation.

Oh lord, I hadn't even thought of that. In that case all one would need to legally clear someone's inbox is ten puppets.

When last I checked, using puppets to flood someone's telegram box is spamming. If you suspect that someone has done this to you, file a Getting Help report asking Game Mods to look into it.

I'll ask a Game Mod to double-check me on this.

--The Modified Democratic States of Cogitation

Just thought of something else...

Now introducing: a *LEGAL* way to clear an enemies telegram box!

- Get together with 9 of your friends. Invasion armies will have no problem with this, they're operating together by design anyway.

- After endorsing one another, you all submit a UN proposal. Make it a serious one tough, so be creative. Only submit something you'd actually like to see passed.

- The ten of you now all have the right to send a message to any delegate, thus clearing the inbox of the 'victim' / UN Participant.

If you want, you can even go further and clear the telegram inbox of the top 100 or so most important delegates in the game! As long as the ten of you do this manually, ofcourse.

Anyone who actually DOES this will make me very angry, and I would actually like to inflict physical damage onto you for doing so. But, it's all perfectly legal, so they say.

Ballotonia

The moral of the story is, children...
don't give them freaking ideas!

I can't imagine what usefulness this would have to a legitimate invader.

I hope that Alcatraz will finally stop telegramming me twice daily.

Thank you [violet]!

I can't imagine what usefulness this would have to a legitimate invader.

Any invader has to TG the password to the natives when locking a region. Imagine that you did just a legal invasion, ejected som key-oponents, and TG's the password to them. You only have to make your fellow invader TG them too about sports and some UN proposals, to erase their boxes. Now you did a legal invasion, and nobody can return to their regio anymore :P
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I fully support this decision!

Any invader has to TG the password to the natives when locking a region. Imagine that you did just a legal invasion, ejected som key-oponents, and TG's the password to them. You only have to make your fellow invader TG them too about sports and some UN proposals, to erase their boxes. Now you did a legal invasion, and nobody can return to their regio anymore :P
It would be a monumentally stupid thing to do. They would have lots of natives complaining to the Mods from the Rejected Realms that not only did they get griefed, they got spammed at the same time too. Subsequently pointing to claims of legitimacy would ring hollow indeed.

Only 2 or 3, if they are "legal" :twisted:
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I think some are missing the point. It has not become legal to use this tool to invade regions. It has only reinforced what the FAQ already said about how you may gain support from other UN members in regards to the UN. Basically, nothing has changed. This is the same rule that has been on the books all along. Some just may not of known about it. This is not a new ruling. This rule has been in the FAQ section all along. The same rules apply to invasions as they always did. This changes nothing. This is a tool for UN members to use, not invaders. It would still be spamming if this tool were to be used to invade a region. It's amazing that some of you are just coming up with sinister ways to use a rule that has been there all along!

This is a good decision! It follows the FAQ section!

Peace,
Stephanie.

Any invader has to TG the password to the natives when locking a region. Imagine that you did just a legal invasion, ejected som key-oponents, and TG's the password to them. You only have to make your fellow invader TG them too about sports and some UN proposals, to erase their boxes. Now you did a legal invasion, and nobody can return to their regio anymore :P
It would be a monumentally stupid thing to do. They would have lots of natives complaining to the Mods from the Rejected Realms that not only did they get griefed, they got spammed at the same time too. Subsequently pointing to claims of legitimacy would ring hollow indeed.

Indeed, and most invasions take quite a bit of work, so one would not want to jeopardize that with a tactic such as this.

Legitmate invaders by the old defintion would not do this. The problem is that Violet has opened a door where illegit intentions in the past are the new defition of legit.

According to this, an invader could easily have a group of his friends (and an invader does not act alone) telegram all of the people in the region both to cut off the password (as someone suggested), or more realisticly to cut off inner-communication that they may be attempting.

I agree that some soap box politicking is good, and like the direction Violety is going, but I fear that violet should limit the door she has opened.

I would never use this technique even thoug it is now declared legal, because it is rude. I hope she reconsiders this, and sets some perimeters (not a lot, I don't want communication shut down either).

Ackbar, once again, we're in agreement.

The Mods are currently discussing reasonable limitations.

I solve the problem by examining the tm, sending a response, and deleting the original. Then if the proposer takes the time to respond to my feedback, I give it serious consideration.

Therefore, with me, sending one tm, hurts your chances of me endorsing it.

It makes me fell powerful though, realizing that in this, I am as powerful as 1 Infinite Loop.

In a perfect world, telegramming delegates for proposal support wouldn't be a necessity. However, this is obviously not a perfect world. The rules of the game are rightfully designed to cater to those who are using it the way it was intended. [violet]'s decision reflects this stance- that the game was designed to play politics, and for people to try and mold their nation (and the world through the UN). Lets not forget, this game was created to help sell a book. A book which happens to critique government, capitalism, and society. Who is more likely to buy said book- someone interested in politics and wanting to debate and pass legislation, or someone more interested in playing "war" and spending all their time trying to invade and piss other people off? (My sincerest apologies to all those people who happen to be of intelligence who partake in invading and such)

Ackbar, once again, we're in agreement.

The Mods are currently discussing reasonable limitations.

Thanks, I just wanted to add one thing. I don't think this is just an issue of Invaders breaking rules, as myself and others have hinted to, and I don't think this should be a factor. I douby ou would move this way, but just wanted to mention that I have had natives spam my TM box to clear it many times as well, it is not just the invaders who need to be put on a chain.

That said, glad you guys are hammering this out.

Ackbar, once again, we're in agreement.

The Mods are currently discussing reasonable limitations.

You say "once again" like it's happened before. :wink:

(My sincerest apologies to all those people who happen to be of intelligence who partake in invading and such)
Look below your post and above mine.

The rest that I know of manage to get themselves deleted for griefing monthly, and then throw tantrums in the mod(or even tech and general) forum(s). :roll: