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I have about 80 puppets now, and all of them are very active, but now I had a great idea and I wonder.

Is it possible to have them all apply for UN membership but only click on the acceptance link, when one puppet doesn't need the membership anymore? This way I have simulaneously 1 UN member, but about 80 "Accepted to the UN" e-mails in my box. This will solve my biggest problem, of being ejected all the time, and having one useless UN member in the RR. It looks like "almost" multying to me, but "almost" cheating in not bad, is it?

Can one of the mods answer this? I can't find the answer on my own "Getting help" link :lol:
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That's an extremely risky thing to do. If you attempt this, a Game Mod will notice and may summarily delete you. I am not certain about it, but you should play it safe.

Do not, under any circumstances, apply a second nation for UN membership while you still have one nation in the UN.

"Think about it for a moment."

--The Modified Democratic States of Cogitation
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That's an extremely risky thing to do. If you attempt this, a Game Mod will notice and may summarily delete you. I am not certain about it, but you should play it safe.

Do not, under any circumstances, apply a second nation for UN membership while you still have one nation in the UN.

"Think about it for a moment."

--The Modified Democratic States of Cogitation
NationStates Forum Moderator

I am no newbie, I make the useless Nation resign first, and than I click the acceptance link of my next UN Nation. That's not illegal, but I really want a GM answer this, unless you are really sure that having Multy Nations applying for UN membership, while accepting only one, is cheating.
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i was thinking bout the same thing..
only thing is, you do need another e-mail address for every nation you want to apply for..
this would save us a lot of time.

i was thinking bout the same thing..
only thing is, you do need another e-mail address for every nation you want to apply for..
this would save us a lot of time.

No, the E-mail adress is not the issue. As long as don't click the acceptance link, I think I an technically not a multi. Don't you think?
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i agree, you'd only have one un nation, but you do need several e-mail addresses, i've once applied a nation, just after resigning the first one, and i got a telegram, saying there was already an un nation with that e-mail address,..

While having more than one UN Application 'open' isn't technically a rule violation, I've seen a group of nations get deleted for it because there was the apparent intention to use them in a griefing attack. Former rule violations played a part in that determination though.

The problem you'll run into with your plan is that if you activate UN membership of a different nation directly after resigning another nation, the cheat scan is still likely to mark you as a UN Multi. An IP scan then coming up with 75+ nations all having applied to the UN could have disastrous results for your puppets. It's possible that a GM will interpret this as a UN Multi being built up, even though it isn't, and maybe delete the whole bunch.

To be safe, you'll have to give the system some time (like 24 hrs+) between resigning one nation and confirming the next nation. And you might as well use that time to go through the UN application period.

I know of strategies being used similar to what you propose that work properly, but they all involve going from a state of having no UN member at all to selecting a particular nation to have as UN member, depending on the situation.

Ballotonia

i agree, you'd only have one un nation, but you do need several e-mail addresses, i've once applied a nation, just after resigning the first one, and i got a telegram, saying there was already an un nation with that e-mail address,..

Well, in that case you may use 2 adresses, and switch after each resigned Nation. That's not such a big problem. I just wonder if having an E-mail box filled with acceptances is illegal, while you have only 1 UN member continuesly. Right now I have to wait 24 hours every time, and I am just looking for an edge.

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i know what you mean, and sometimes, it's even longer, it would be nice if we could switch nations faster..

While having more than one UN Application 'open' isn't technically a rule violation, I've seen a group of nations get deleted for it because there was the apparent intention to use them in a griefing attack. Former rule violations played a part in that determination though.

The problem you'll run into with your plan is that if you activate UN membership of a different nation directly after resigning another nation, the cheat scan is still likely to mark you as a UN Multi. An IP scan then coming up with 75+ nations all having applied to the UN could have disastrous results for your puppets. It's possible that a GM will interpret this as a UN Multi being built up, even though it isn't, and maybe delete the whole bunch.

To be safe, you'll have to give the system some time (like 24 hrs+) between resigning one nation and confirming the next nation. And you might as well use that time to go through the UN application period.

I know of strategies being used similar to what you propose that work properly, but they all involve going from a state of having no UN member at all to selecting a particular nation to have as UN member, depending on the situation.

Ballotonia

I never cheat, and I have no plans to cheat at all. I just wonder if having an E-mail box full of acceptances is legal.
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same here, wouldn't like to cheat, so i hope a game mod could please answer this question for us..

This would be a great idea, but for one thing, it does not work the way you think.

From the moment the eMail is sent it has a shelf life of 12 hours before it expires. Given that, you would also need several different eMail addresses, as everytime you apply on the same eMail address that you either already have a UN member or have applied for one recently, the game will detect the common eMail address and refuse your application.

If you have more than one eMail address, then if you decide to have only one UN member at a time (the legal way), you would have to resign one UN member then exit that country, before going to the next to accept that one. There is no reason other than illegal reasons to do this as there is only one reset time, and that country is the one that really counts.

If you do this, say in a region with a delegate dictator that ejects countries faster than you care to think about, as he ejects one country, you could resign that one and place your new UN membership on your next country very quickly. The dictator would have to be watching for your new UN nation one way or the other, and might give you the time required to endorse someone, or whatever. As soon as the dictator finds you, he could eject you. The same could be said for the country that you are endorsing. A good outside communication source would be required so that both sides know who to endorse. The endorsed country would not return endorsements making it harder for the dictator.

This could go on and on.

I will not go into the really illegal way of multi'ing as you have stated that this is not what you intend. Note, that if you use the same eMail address as a nation that you had resigned, you may have to wait for a time (don't know how long) before applying on a new country.

The dictator could report you and if the MODs think that you were greifing, you could get the boot right out of the game.

I can see both sides of this, and if the dictator is unaware that you are doing this, he may think he has a large invasion on hand. I do not know if you can reapply the next day after the applications expired. This could be done every other day, if I remember correctly.

Eighty nations, How do you keep track?

Eighty nations, How do you keep track?

That takes me 30 minutes every day. No more than that.
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80 nations?



HOLY...... what for anyways?

80 nations?



HOLY...... what for anyways?

Because a certain player is ejecting me all the time, and I want to get back again and again :)
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First off, I haven't read all of the above posts.
Second, it won't work. The acceptance e-mails time out rather quickly.

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SalusaSecondus
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First off, I haven't read all of the above posts.
Second, it won't work. The acceptance e-mails time out rather quickly.

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SalusaSecondus
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Ow, okay. So it expires after a while. In that case it will not work. Thank Salusa. I hope you understand that I was not searching for a loophole, just for a faster way to create new UN nations, since after banning they just become worthless :P
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I know that you weren't trying to break the rules. I can sympathize, it can take a day or two to process UN requests, sometimes too long. There is a chance of this showing up as a multi, but if so, let me know and I'll make sure that it get's double checked.

Pointing a loaded weapon at a man/woman is not deserving of the same punishment as actually shooting a man, however, if the apparent intent is there, punishment is due. Not as strong a punishment as a murderer, but a punishment nonetheless.

Just for safety's sake, I'd suggest not having a number of nations sitting around waiting to be accepted into the UN...

okay, at least now we know we can't do it.
thank you for answering ;)
CG

Pointing a loaded weapon at a man/woman is not deserving of the same punishment as actually shooting a man, however, if the apparent intent is there, punishment is due. Not as strong a punishment as a murderer, but a punishment nonetheless.

Just for safety's sake, I'd suggest not having a number of nations sitting around waiting to be accepted into the UN...

I have though about it, and pointing the gun might tempt me too much. I decided not to buy the gun, and give up the whole idea. Just searching again to find another way to skin the cat. Btw, Judo didn't work :lol:
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...... Just searching again to find another way to skin the cat. Btw, Judo didn't work :lol:


I use a carrot peeler. :wink:

...... Just searching again to find another way to skin the cat. Btw, Judo didn't work :lol:


I use a carrot peeler. :wink:

Yeah, I saw you busy. Do you know that the peeler is dull. You are tormenting your carrots man! :lol:
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I've noticed that if you applied for UN status, and do not delete the message that your country receives from the game, your email notification could have a longer shelf life, days if not weeks.

I've noticed that if you applied for UN status, and do not delete the message that your country receives from the game, your email notification could have a longer shelf life, days if not weeks.

It didn't work at all. I have tried it, and it's impossible to have a new UN member each day. Not even each other day. My guess it that it has a failure chance of 50%, since sometimes it worked and some times it didn't. Each time I only touched the UN E-mail only when I needed a new membership.
Best chance I had was a new UN member each 36 hours.
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