NationStates Jolt Archive

Apperrantly it is now against the rules to make a resolution to repeal a proposal. But the mods are still being vague about what you can do. This is the proposal I submitted;

WHEREAS the resolution “Common Sense Act II” was inherently flawed from the start and it’s vague wording and broad effects will most likely cause many problems in UN member nations.

GIVEN that the resolution “Common Sense Act II” will most likely be passed.

GIVEN that the resolution in question illegalizes lawsuits against companies for selling a legal product, no matter how unsafe the product, will be dismissed in court.

GIVEN that the clause in “Common Sense Act II” stating that you cannot sue if you were committing a crime at the time you were injured would make it impossible to file many sorts of police brutality lawsuits.

GIVEN that the clause in “Common Sense Act II” stating that you cannot sue for consuming a legal product that harmed your body in some way would mean that you could not sue if a company made a recklessly dangerous product and you were injured by it.

BELIEVING that this would most likely cause businesses to become more careless in taking measures to make their products safer.

BELIEVING that it is in the best interest of all nations to not have laws forced upon them to make police brutality, wrongful death, liability, ect. lawsuits illegal.

ASSERTING that the resolution “Common Sense Act II” does in fact do the things listed above.

RESOLVING that the resolution “Common Sense Act II” is henceforth be repealed to allow UN member nations to pass their own laws concerning the issues addressed by the “Common Sense Act II” proposal.

And it was deleted, now, if I changed the name to "Amend Common Sense Act II" and change the resolved paragraph to saying that all effects to "Common Sense Act II" be nullified, or that all laws made from that proposal be either reversed or eliminated?

And if niether of thoise work, what exactly can you do to reverse the effects of a UN resolution?

For roleplay purposes, I would suggest writing a resolution that pretends "Common Sense Act II" was never passed and writing a resolution that allows nations to deal with lawsuits in whatever manner they see fit.

But, I'm not sure about this, so I'm not going to put my Official Moderator Stamp-of-Approval on it.

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You can't, because it would involve changing game mechanics. I guess we'll just have to deal with it.

You can't, because it would involve changing game mechanics. I guess we'll just have to deal with it.

It changes game mechanics as much as any UN proposal does, so am I to assume that all proposals passed ahve been nullified?

Well, no, but if one of your proposals make it, which in theory my country votes against, your proposal is safe from my amendment.

Ok, so would this be deleted?

WHEREAS the resolution “Common Sense Act II” was inherently flawed from the start and it’s vague wording and broad effects will most likely cause many problems in UN member nations.

GIVEN that the resolution “Common Sense Act II” was passed and is now enforced by the UN on all UN member states.

GIVEN that the resolution in question legalizes lawsuits against companies for selling a legal product, no matter how unsafe the product, will be dismissed in court.

GIVEN that the clause in “Common Sense Act II” stating that you cannot sue if you were committing a crime at the time you were injured would make it impossible to file many sorts of police brutality lawsuits.

GIVEN that the clause in “Common Sense Act II” stating that you cannot sue for consuming a legal product that harmed your body in some way would mean that you could not sue if a company made a recklessly dangerous product and you were injured by it.

BELIEVING that this would most likely cause businesses to become more careless in taking measures to make their products safer.

BELIEVING that it is in the best interest of all nations to not have laws forced upon them to make police brutality, wrongful death, liability, ect. lawsuits illegal.

ASSERTING that the resolution “Common Sense Act II” does in fact do the things listed above.

RESOLVING that the resolution “Common Sense Act II” is henceforth be amended to allow UN member nations to pass their own laws concerning the issues addressed by the “Common Sense Act II” proposal.

I don't see where it changes game mechanics so if it would be deleted please explain why.

Bump

That is correct. YOU CAN'T REPEAL ANY PASSED RESOLUTIONS as it stands right now. Perhaps that will change.. but there is nothing in the works at the moment except discussion among the mods.

Stephanie
Forum Mod

From this and the comments in this forum I am curious as to why this would be a game mechanic change. Surely when a UN proposal is passed what happens is that yourstats are changed in line with the strength and direction of the proposal. More military spending, less political freedoms, greater civli rights etc. There also used to be (I'm no longer sure) a slight population increase I'd guess that it's the same amount as when an issue is resolved. So long as a motion to repeal has the reverse strength and setting then in game play not role play terms why should it not be passed.

With lots of love
Kelly
Today's spokesman for Nebbyland

There is discussion in the mod's forum about tweaking the UN to allow for counter-proposals, proposal repeals, etc.

[violet] agrees with the ideas we've put forward, so we may be seeing some changes before too long to fix this game mechanics error so far as proposals go. (The system, as it is now, lacks categories to counter a few of the existing categories, hence the problem with repeals.)

Cool, thanks for that, can I post that on the UN board, so that people can stop filling it up with threads about this?

With lots of Love
Kelly
Today's spokesman for Nebbyland

Sure =) Though I imagine Stephistan will be on it when she's next active, since the UN forum is mostly her jurisdiction =)

Isn't this technical rather than moderation?

It started as a question about the rules, but turned to game mechanics... kinda fuzzy as to which it really belongs in. Since I'm going to bed, it can stay put for the time being :lol:

It started as a question about the rules, but turned to game mechanics... kinda fuzzy as to which it really belongs in. Since I'm going to bed, it can stay put for the time being :lol:

Fair enough, can't we have a fuzzy forum?

Fair enough, can't we have a fuzzy forum?

With green shag carpet!!

no green! blue! ;)
*shakes head* green forum....

Remember before "Moderation" existed, and we just had "Technical"?

Umm... bump I guess because nobody really answered my question yet.

Still waiting....

I think I have a way of making mods ignore me...

Common Sense Act II was the worst piece of legislation ever passed in the UN forum, and the idea that no process for repealing or overturning or amending or overriding it exists is just ridiculous.

Common Sense Act II was the worst piece of legislation ever passed in the UN forum, and the idea that no process for repealing or overturning or amending or overriding it exists is just ridiculous.

Actually, that distinction easily goes to "'RBH' Replacement". Not only is the effect of that one in total opposition to what is stated in the text, it claims to do several things which are game mechanics, a repeal of a previous resolution (with the same stated effect as the resolution itself) being only one of these.

Ballotonia

Do I have bad B.O. or something? Is that why the mods wont answer my question?

Is there some kind of game you mods play where you all don't pay attention to me to make me go insane?

Tisonica, it's not that we are ignoring you, we are trying to come up with a way to make this workable. It's not just as easy as saying, ok, you can repeal resolutions now. There is a game mechanics issue with it. I am in favour of repealing resolutions personally. It's just on a long list of things to do. We have no new information, so we therefore haven't made any comments..but it is being discussed.

Stephanie
Forum Mod

Well, I'm not really doing anything to change the game with that resolution. And if it's a matter of not having an appropriate category is could easily go under several categories, democracy, social justice, human rights. So I still don't see a problem.