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I can still reach his nation by going through the search function in the World but he's in black in the forums.

Shucks. Now we won't have the fun of trying to take him out ourselves.

Francos was deleted temporarily in a bug caused by the server crash last weekend. That's why his older posts show him in black in the forums.

Sorry to burst your bubble, but he's still around.

No bubbles burst. And thank you for the clarification.

Actually, I was about to post in one of the other threads on this topic my humble opinion that the mods don't intervene and allow the players to deal with this.

For one thing, Francos has 194 endorsements, most from fairly active nations. This implies that 194 nations approve of his style of governance despite the constant din of criticism that goes on in the Pacific's regional board and in the forums.

Second, the most vociferous critic is the former delegate, Thedoc, not exactly known for having the cleanest hands when it comes to the invasion style of play.

I think Francos must be close to the 200 mark in UN nations ejected and it would be much more fun and more of a challenge to have an organized puscht to have, shall we say, a more democratic style of governance in the region.

No bubbles burst. And thank you for the clarification.

Actually, I was about to post in one of the other threads on this topic my humble opinion that the mods don't intervene and allow the players to deal with this.

For one thing, Francos has 194 endorsements, most from fairly active nations. This implies that 194 nations approve of his style of governance despite the constant din of criticism that goes on in the Pacific's regional board and in the forums.

Second, the most vociferous critic is the former delegate, Thedoc, not exactly known for having the cleanest hands when it comes to the invasion style of play.

I think Francos must be close to the 200 mark in UN nations ejected and it would be much more fun and more of a challenge to have an organized puscht to have, shall we say, a more democratic style of governance in the region.

Francos eject every player that has 50 endorsements or or more. If you think this is fair, you need to adjust your point of view drastictly. Francos can't be beat with fair play, because he has no life and no feeling for his fellow players!


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Corinthe, I didn't say he was fair.

I was just pointing out that 194 people, who have seen many of the posts on the regional board and have seen him ejecting 100's of nations, have not only NOT removed their endorsements, but have actually added endorsements when he lost them.

All I'm saying is that surely those nations who want to --er-- "restore" democracy in the region can put strategic and organizational skills together to do something about the situation. It takes more time but, IMHO (and you should feel free to disagree), it's more fun and empowering. I think he can be beat.

Corinthe, I didn't say he was fair.

I was just pointing out that 194 people, who have seen many of the posts on the regional board and have seen him ejecting 100's of nations, have not only NOT removed their endorsements, but have actually added endorsements when he lost them.

All I'm saying is that surely those nations who want to --er-- "restore" democracy in the region can put strategic and organizational skills together to do something about the situation. It takes more time but, IMHO (and you should feel free to disagree), it's more fun and empowering. I think he can be beat.

I had a puppet in the region very active in gathering endorcement (The Fair way). But as soon as the puppet came over 60 endorsement, Francos ejected him, and will not take him of the banlist ever, like a common criminal. If you think an invasion will do the trick. Well, forget about that. There is no way you can gather 200 UN members to invade The Pacific a few minutes before the update. Blab, you are dreaming. Replacing him from power, is not possible with fair play. This guy is abusing a loophole in the rules. And the mods are powerless to do something about it. I have retreated from any action in this game, until this "problem" is solved. The fun is over. Fair play has become useless. I know how to invade nations. I considder myself a hardcore player. I know I can take over The Pacific any time, but not under these circumstances.


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Corinthe, you were lucky to get 60 endorsements. I manually endorsed all the countries that had endorsed Francos Spain, only to find myself in the Rejected Realms a few hours later.

Corinthe, you were lucky to get 60 endorsements. I manually endorsed all the countries that had endorsed Francos Spain, only to find myself in the Rejected Realms a few hours later.

It is was Francos who got lucky. I gathered those endorsements in 2 hours. If he had just gone out for the night, he would have found himself in The Rejected Realms the next morning :twisted: I had send more than 1500 personal pleads for endorsements that day. Personal = not spam. I am sure that I could have overthrown him easily. I now have applied for UN membership on another puppet, and tomorrow I am back into business again. Giving Francos another night without sleep. If only my connection was better, because I know better hours to get endorsement. When the USA awakes for instance. But right now Francos is in the same timezone as me, what makes it very hard :cry:


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Corinthe, Queen of Eternity.

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Corinthe, you were lucky to get 60 endorsements. I manually endorsed all the countries that had endorsed Francos Spain, only to find myself in the Rejected Realms a few hours later.

If you endorsed those countries that endorsed FS, a few of them, Evilostica and Poskrebyshev, come to mind, are sure to warn him. I'm not surpised you got the boot.

Evil Sith approached 80 endorsements yesterday before it got noticed.

Why can't you get large numbers of nations to coordinate movements? I say where there's a will, there's a way. If the will doesn't exist, maybe the situation must be acceptable to those that are most affected --the current residents of the region. It's analogous to Romania vs. North Korea. The Romanians rebelled. North Korea is still quiescent.

Corinthe, you were lucky to get 60 endorsements. I manually endorsed all the countries that had endorsed Francos Spain, only to find myself in the Rejected Realms a few hours later.

If you endorsed those countries that endorsed FS, a few of them, Evilostica and Poskrebyshev, come to mind, are sure to warn him. I'm not surpised you got the boot.

Evil Sith approached 80 endorsements yesterday before it got noticed.

Why can't you get large numbers of nations to coordinate movements? I say where there's a will, there's a way. If the will doesn't exist, maybe the situation must be acceptable to those that are most affected --the current residents of the region. It's analogous to Romania vs. North Korea. The Romanians rebelled. North Korea is still quiescent.

You are dreaming, there are to many timezones involved. I have to go to school every day. But if you are really serious, just join my forum (link is in the regio of Eternity) and we talk about recruiting and stuff.

Remember, dreaming is just another word for fantasizing and sleeping, at the same time.


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As I said, Romania wanted a change. North Korea didn't.

1500 Telegrams in one day is spamming. I find it hard to believe that you personally know all 1500 of those nations telegrammed.

1500 Telegrams in one day is spamming. I find it hard to believe that you personally know all 1500 of those nations telegrammed.

I knew who I was telegramming and I named them all personally. Explicitly telling them of my goals and such. If you still think that's spamming, just considder the many complaints you have got, and than use that evidence to warn me, or punish me otherwise. Don't tell me that I am a spammer, without any evidence.


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You yourself admitted to sending 1500 telegrams. Just because you named each nation does not mean that they are not spam.

Aw common, Neut, how do you think Francos Spain got his endorsements? I talked to some of the other nations that have his endorsement and they all told me they got messages from him asking them to endorse him.

Dan: How did you manage to achieve delegacy in such a large region without anyone knowing before hand? That is no small accomplishment, and we would all like to know how.

Francos Spain: I accrued endorsements over the course of several weeks via telegramming UN members in the region, which is the standard way any delegate of a large region comes to power. Like Thedoc and the Savage Lands before me, this was the route I took.

All nations should be held to the same standard. Corinthe shouldn't be harassed for being honest here while Francos' admission (during its interview on NS Radio where it admitted telegramming nations for support when it overthrew Thedoc) is overlooked.

You yourself admitted to sending 1500 telegrams. Just because you named each nation does not mean that they are not spam.

In that case we have to redefine the word "spam" in the dictionary, because actually our government (and yours too) is spamming us daily with all sorts of information. In this case the meaning of word "spam" should be changed. I decided that sending a TG to people, and adres them personally is an acceptable "spam". It is used by many authorities. Even by Max himself (That little "welcome" message, when you create a new nation), no need to quote him :wink:


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For one thing, Francos has 194 endorsements, most from fairly active nations. This implies that 194 nations approve of his style of governance despite the constant din of criticism that goes on in the Pacific's regional board and in the forums.


One thing that you might bear in mind is that normally Pacific delegates need about 400 endorsements to stay in power. Had Thedoc not lost many endorsements due to a bug in the game Francos would never have been able to take the delegacy.

Question to the mods: If you ever make a ruling on last weekend's events how will we be informed? A post in one of these threads, a new post or what?

Also, what is the exact number of telegrams that can be sent before one is considered a "spammer"?

For one thing, Francos has 194 endorsements, most from fairly active nations. This implies that 194 nations approve of his style of governance despite the constant din of criticism that goes on in the Pacific's regional board and in the forums.


One thing that you might bear in mind is that normally Pacific delegates need about 400 endorsements to stay in power. Had Thedoc not lost many endorsements due to a bug in the game Francos would never have been able to take the delegacy.

Question to the mods: If you ever make a ruling on last weekend's events how will we be informed? A post in one of these threads, a new post or what?

Also, what is the exact number of telegrams that can be sent before one is considered a "spammer"?

The exact number is: "1 to many" :wink:


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Lets just say that 1500 is quite a few too many ;)


Blab, there are slight differences between Corinthe's messages and Francos Spain's messages. Namely she sent those 1500 messages in the course of a day or two. Francos sent out his messages over quite a longer period of time. You're also assuming that Francos mass telegrammed as many people as Corinthe. There's more to spam than just the message, or how many are sent.

Lets just say that 1500 is quite a few too many ;)


Blab, there are slight differences between Corinthe's messages and Francos Spain's messages. Namely she sent those 1500 messages in the course of a day or two. Francos sent out his messages over quite a longer period of time. You're also assuming that Francos mass telegrammed as many people as Corinthe. There's more to spam than just the message, or how many are sent.

Haha, since I am still here, and the mods have received no complaint about my "spamming", I think I am way off "1 to many". I am honest about my dealing, because I see it as "good spam". I am not bothering people with things they don't want to read, though I must admit that I did sent some messages to spies of Francos (That was not very smart). :wink: NationStates may prepare for another gulf of spam, as long as the Dictator is in The Pacific. MUHAHAHA. This matter is not over yet. I do all my spamming as little as possible (1 day max), not during the time of one week.

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Lets just say that 1500 is quite a few too many ;)


Blab, there are slight differences between Corinthe's messages and Francos Spain's messages. Namely she sent those 1500 messages in the course of a day or two. Francos sent out his messages over quite a longer period of time. You're also assuming that Francos mass telegrammed as many people as Corinthe. There's more to spam than just the message, or how many are sent.

Haha, since I am still here, and the mods have received no complaint about my "spamming", I think I am way off "1 to many". I am honest about my dealing, because I see it as "good spam". I am not bothering people with things they don't want to read, though I must admit that I did sent some messages to spies of Francos (That was not very smart). :wink: NationStates may prepare for another gulf of spam, as long as the Dictator is in The Pacific. MUHAHAHA. This matter is not over yet. I do all my spamming as little as possible (1 day max), not during the time of one week.

Don't bother contacting people you don't know. Contact people you do know and ask them to contact people they know to contact people they know, and so on.

--The Modified Democratic States of Cogitation

Then you will be warned. It's entirely possible that none of the Mods have gotten to the reports of your spam yet. However, for you to state that even though I stated above that it was spam you're going to ignore my comment and continue to spam is quite a bit out of line. Regardless of whether you like it or not, that is spam, and you will be dealt with as a spammer should you spam again.

I have decided that it is not smart to talk with you in the open with this. I decided not spam!

I search for another way. Things have changed anyway. It wouldn't be fair to warn me for a spam, that I have not done yet. And since you think that I volunteer to be warned, for a spam you had no complain received, I will not mention this anymore. I am allready not happy way things are going, and it is not smart to push it. I hope it will be all over soon, no matter what the outcome is. Nuf said.

I think we need a clearer definition of what constitutes "spam".

spam ( P ) Pronunciation Key (spm)
n.
Unsolicited e-mail, often of a commercial nature, sent indiscriminately to multiple mailing lists, individuals, or newsgroups; junk e-mail.

tr.v. spammed, spam·ming, spams
To send unsolicited e-mail to.
To send (a message) indiscriminately to multiple mailing lists, individuals, or newsgroups.

The problem with using this definition for NS is that often it is necessary to send out unsolicited messages for support IMHO. For example, I sent out a lot of t-grams to supporters of the "Common Sense Act II" resolution in an attempt to change their votes. Was this solicited? No. But IMHO this doesn't constitute spam because I'm trying to draw to the attention of delegates a UN Forum thread that most delegates (because they aren't active) don't read.

My $.02...

I think we need a clearer definition of what constitutes "spam".

spam ( P ) Pronunciation Key (spm)
n.
Unsolicited e-mail, often of a commercial nature, sent indiscriminately to multiple mailing lists, individuals, or newsgroups; junk e-mail.

tr.v. spammed, spam·ming, spams
To send unsolicited e-mail to.
To send (a message) indiscriminately to multiple mailing lists, individuals, or newsgroups.

The problem with using this definition for NS is that often it is necessary to send out unsolicited messages for support IMHO. For example, I sent out a lot of t-grams to supporters of the "Common Sense Act II" resolution in an attempt to change their votes. Was this solicited? No. But IMHO this doesn't constitute spam because I'm trying to draw to the attention of delegates a UN Forum thread that most delegates (because they aren't active) don't read.

My $.02...

It's all spam.

let's get back on topic.

why haven't the moderators answered the real qustion posed a page ago?

how will we be informed of a mod decision? (this is a fair question)

as one of the nations involved in the action last week, i would like to know.

further, i would like to understand why all threads who talked about this in the last week have been locked?

as dettibok said, the discussion is futile. but surely that futile discussion hurts nothing? why make yourselves look bad? much of the discussion that was locked was outside the 48 hour period asked for.

just curious. waiting your ruling with baited breath.

They locked it because they want to discuss it, or so they claim, and want us to shut up untill they come to a decision.

We are actively discussing this. It has not been forgotten.

Good. Because I am doubly pissed with him.

When I was banned, I even put a thread on the subject in General, but I was told to let it drop by someone. So I did.

But I am still watching what happens. From a "not-the-pacific" region, as I am banned there.

Yours truly, the conspirator.

thank you for the update, ss. :)

Lets just say that 1500 is quite a few too many

Blab, there are slight differences between Corinthe's messages and Francos Spain's messages. Namely she sent those 1500 messages in the course of a day or two. Francos sent out his messages over quite a longer period of time. . . . There's more to spam than just the message, or how many are sent.

Maybe I'm beating a dead horse (feel free to say so) but the reason Corinthe sent hers out in such a short time versus say Francos' more --er-- leisurely stroll in the spam garden was that Thedoc wasn't ejecting people for getting more than 40 - 70 endorsements.

You're also assuming that Francos mass telegrammed as many people as Corinthe.

I counted how many Pacific UN nations had endorsements from Francos on 9/9. And that excludes ones that have **sniff** passed away.

Wham!
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But, seriously, if everyone is still horribly upset about a 'dictatorship' in the Pacific (or any other large region), there is a pretty creative (albeit somewhat dastardly) method to elminate them, and it's perfectly legal.

No, I won't tell you what it is, all I'll say is "think outside the box".

think outside the box?
have merci, hack, it's monday morning, i just woke up, and i really wanna get rid of the guy..
tell me, pretty please?

i think i know. i think it's also being worked on.

so, hack, is this to say that it is now up to us to remove fs? just say the word, man.

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