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I've watched the threads tonight, and have become increasingly aware that a particular mod, has continued to become more aggressive, insulting and on the verge of flame towards the US, US policy and anything to do with a US topic.

I recall this same mod, relishing in the fact that they wanted to lock a thread because they thought that the forum members may mislead a young man into doing something regrettable in his love life. This is a turn of events that I had not expected.

I am sure mods have priviledge to state their opinions, and I would not dispute that. However, I have taken great insult to the many comments that have been made by this individual. It doesn't appear to be equal terms, when a mod is stating such insult, and those of us that disagree are hesistant to retaliate, for fear of consequence.

Is this standard practice?

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I'm sorry if I offended you. I'm actually very pro-mod, as I understand the tedious job that is required of them. I think that is why I found this so shocking..

I would gladly remove this,, if you would mind telling me what the proper channels are.. as I have no clue, and this was were I thought I was supposed to ask these types of questions.

As I said, I am in no way anti-mod, and have defended their actions many times in the past. I would greatly appreciate if you would redirect my attentions elsewhere, and inform me of the direction that I should have taken, rather than posting on this forum, as I am unaware.

thank you for your time.

OH,, and I'm not sure who Neuty is??

but if it's who I think it is,, then I am not even talking about this individual,, and that is actually one of the mods that I have defended in the past.

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Thank you for your help.

I do appreciate it..

should I also remove this??

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It is not proper behaviour to discuss other people in this forum in the open. I am sure that you get no other answer than a reverence to the getting help section. Remember that the mods are people too, with real feelings. If someone makes a comment that can get an innocent person into trouble in real life, they have the right to step in, but I doubt that reason is the only one that made the mod treathening to lock the thread. And I can't imagine that the mod was flaming. The more a reason for you to complain to [violet] or Max, but not to post it here!


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Corinthe, Queen of Eternity.

You might want to mention who and link to where when you lodge complaints in this forum. Talking around matters won't help anything that's going wrong.

TJ

I don't think that when I wrote this, that I was actually thinking to lodge a complaint. I also didn't want to incur the retaliation factor from the individual in question.

After reading the post from Raem, I did send a message from the "getting help"page. However I did not state "who" it was at that time either. I did provide the titles of the threads though. I'm thinking that my perception of the situation may be different than others perception. This is why I was asking for clarification on behavior, and presentation by moderators in general, rather than referrencing the particular individual.

I realize the Mod's have a very hard job,, and that it is completel voluntary. I, myself am a moderator on a different forum, and am required to make these same types of judgement calls. However, I have always attempted to hold my position and state my opinion, without sounding as though I was "fishing" for the uncanny..

Thank you for taking the time to look over this. I do appreciate it, even though, I realize that I have been pervasive and continue to withhold the name. I know how itchy fingers can be when they hold the silver button, and as I am truly an addict of trying to establish a feasible government, it is not something that I would be willing to give up at the risk of losing my endeavors.

The Moderator in question has not been flaming away on US policy, and has not even come close. I was active in all the threads of which you speak. The Moderator behaved reasonably and contributed much to the discussion, even kept it on track when others, who shall remain nameless, flamed about the need for holy war, the spilling of blood and the like. You cannot compare the words of that Moderator to what some others said. Indeed, the Moderator threatened to lock one of those threads when the flaming threatened to overwhelm discussion.

In addititon, I would like to add that although deleting posts on a first day might have been over-zealous, the individual in question has been doing OK so far. I feel your complaint is groundless.

Hedonist,

simply because you and a Mod dont share the same viewpoints and said Moderator responds to a thread emphatically, he/she is not flaming, nor trolling. Everyone, even the Mods, has the right to post their opinions, whether it be emphatic or not. There are of course lines that should not be crossed, but I fail to see any such lines crossed.

As I said..

Maybe it was just my perception, as others may not have felt the same way.. This is also the reason why I didn't name any names. I was unclear of policy procedure, and what actually constituted defamatory comments.

I also was not complaining about the one that was threatened to be locked. My referrence to that was because it appeared with those posts, that this was a very compassionate person. However, there are several posts that I have read today, that I felt were "on the verge" of instigation. Again, it is my perception, not a general ruling. I may just be overly sensitive to the situation at this moment. This is admitted.

Not getting into the fray, but to the others attempting to help the nation who posted this:

Actually if there are issues with Moderators, or if you have a Q about Moderator fairness, it is okay to post this in the "Moderator" forum. Of course the degree, sevarity, how you post, and all the other kit-and-kiboodle apply so I can;t say you should always post such in this forum.

I didn't look at what this guy was talking about, mods will deal with that. But I did want to say that it is odd how players seemed to take a very negative glare simply for the player posting the issue in here. We don't want this board spammed, but discussion is actually okay.

Actually - posts about mods made like this won't lead anywhere. Al Capone wasn't taken down overnight for what he was doing.

If you have a problem with a mod, cut and paste the threads and prep for an informed attack.

I can assure you that posts like these "DO" spawn discussions in the mod area, but they are explained away by folks that consider each other comrades and friends.

If indeed you feel you have a legit beef - Dangle the bait and let them snap.

the klingon proverb that applies here is "Revenge is a dish best served cold, and it is very cold in space".

If indeed the mod is misbehaviong, the full text for context is impiortant, and indeed, a massive amount of evidence is needed as well.

Else the mods will secretly discuss it, Watch, but ignore the issue.

Actually - posts about mods made like this won't lead anywhere. Al Capone wasn't taken down overnight for what he was doing.

If you have a problem with a mod, cut and paste the threads and prep for an informed attack.

I can assure you that posts like these "DO" spawn discussions in the mod area, but they are explained away by folks that consider each other comrades and friends.

If indeed you feel you have a legit beef - Dangle the bait and let them snap.

the klingon proverb that applies here is "Revenge is a dish best served cold, and it is very cold in space".

If indeed the mod is misbehaviong, the full text for context is impiortant, and indeed, a massive amount of evidence is needed as well.

Else the mods will secretly discuss it, Watch, but ignore the issue.
This may cause mirth but I have question....and I know it's not the right place to ask it but I'm taking the opportunity to expose myself as an idiot. I can't get the hang of cutting and pasting..........there, I've said it. I've used a computer for five years and never learned. Any 'quick' tips?

Actually - posts about mods made like this won't lead anywhere. Al Capone wasn't taken down overnight for what he was doing.

If you have a problem with a mod, cut and paste the threads and prep for an informed attack.

I can assure you that posts like these "DO" spawn discussions in the mod area, but they are explained away by folks that consider each other comrades and friends.

If indeed you feel you have a legit beef - Dangle the bait and let them snap.

the klingon proverb that applies here is "Revenge is a dish best served cold, and it is very cold in space".

If indeed the mod is misbehaviong, the full text for context is impiortant, and indeed, a massive amount of evidence is needed as well.

Else the mods will secretly discuss it, Watch, but ignore the issue.
This may cause mirth but I have question....and I know it's not the right place to ask it but I'm taking the opportunity to expose myself as an idiot. I can't get the hang of cutting and pasting..........there, I've said it. I've used a computer for five years and never learned. Any 'quick' tips?

Cut: Ctrl+X
Copy: Ctrl+C
Paste: Ctrl+P

Actually - posts about mods made like this won't lead anywhere. Al Capone wasn't taken down overnight for what he was doing.

If you have a problem with a mod, cut and paste the threads and prep for an informed attack.

I can assure you that posts like these "DO" spawn discussions in the mod area, but they are explained away by folks that consider each other comrades and friends.

If indeed you feel you have a legit beef - Dangle the bait and let them snap.

the klingon proverb that applies here is "Revenge is a dish best served cold, and it is very cold in space".

If indeed the mod is misbehaviong, the full text for context is impiortant, and indeed, a massive amount of evidence is needed as well.

Else the mods will secretly discuss it, Watch, but ignore the issue.
This may cause mirth but I have question....and I know it's not the right place to ask it but I'm taking the opportunity to expose myself as an idiot. I can't get the hang of cutting and pasting..........there, I've said it. I've used a computer for five years and never learned. Any 'quick' tips?

Cut: Ctrl+X
Copy: Ctrl+C
Paste: Ctrl+P
Many thanks. And no laughter? Thank you for that too.

And dont forget to lock your doors and windows at night...We know where you live and have connections to the Illuminati...

:roll:

And dont forget to lock your doors and windows at night...We know where you live and have connections to the Illuminati...

:roll:

Awwe - Now you chime in instead of responding to direct questions?

What do I have to say to get you to ignore this thread NS? That you were unfair to Ackbar?

Shall I link the thread?

LOL.

And dont forget to lock your doors and windows at night...We know where you live and have connections to the Illuminati...

:roll:
Doors locked. Windows locked. Turning computer off...................now!

Oh wait - now I must be griefing or am I spamming?

What rule will you toss upon my post to cast me to oblivion?

Spare me oh great and powerful NS - The most glorious hack is not worthy!

{snickers}

Oh wait - now I must be griefing or am I spamming?

What rule will you toss upon my post to cast me to oblivion?

Spare me oh great and powerful NS - The most glorious hack is not worthy!

{snickers}
Lemming throw themselves off cliffs don't they? You're well named.

Lemming throw themselves off cliffs don't they? You're well named.

lies
http://www.snopes.com/disney/films/lemmings.htm

Crap - I'm griefing now aren't I? showing folks their posts are utter tripe.

Spare me! Please! I can't live without the boqa...

Well on second thought - I think I'd make a nice martyr!

//bares fangs

If you believe you have a worthwhile complaint against a mod, send an email to admin@nationstates.net (I think). It's what I did. :D

Too bad you posted this on the forums in a depserate and obvious attempt for attention. Too bad you didn't go through the proper channels in reporting this utterly ridiculous drivel. Too bad I made the mistake of reading yet another rant from an antimod. Tell me, do you people do anything besides waiting, hoping desperately for the mod to do something you can come here and scream about? "Mommy, Neutty's looking at me!"
Silly mod-worshippers, just because someone realizes that the mods are not infallible you get all riled up over it. :lol:

DAMMIT! Raevyn - Stop surfing on my wake!

Mods? Ignore him and focus your fury on me! I'm the one larfing at ye!


Well - not all of you.

One or two of you I consider bad eggs - but that's beside the point - I'm Griefing, or posting porn, or harrasing, or some such made up bull crap that some mods will use to justify ignoring valid posts.

Actually - posts about mods made like this won't lead anywhere. Al Capone wasn't taken down overnight for what he was doing.

If you have a problem with a mod, cut and paste the threads and prep for an informed attack.

I can assure you that posts like these "DO" spawn discussions in the mod area, but they are explained away by folks that consider each other comrades and friends.

If indeed you feel you have a legit beef - Dangle the bait and let them snap.

the klingon proverb that applies here is "Revenge is a dish best served cold, and it is very cold in space".

If indeed the mod is misbehaviong, the full text for context is impiortant, and indeed, a massive amount of evidence is needed as well.

Else the mods will secretly discuss it, Watch, but ignore the issue.

It is likely that such an issue will be "ignored" regardless. I don't disagree with you per se, at least where you seem to feel disgruntled, tho I think our level of bitterness is oddly not the same (at least not tonight).

I am merely point out that it is okay to diuscuss if you think a mod is acting out of turn.

It's one thing to discuss, however, after a number of Mods have posted that the posts were not flaming/griefing, and you continue to push the issue - and not in a discussion manner, as the thread originator did, but in a manner such as Leemingcus, it's crossing a line. There is a fine line between posting valid points, and doing as Sheol did - attacking the Mods simply because they're the Mods. Lem, I'd advise you to be cautious about crossing that line.

And dont forget to lock your doors and windows at night...We know where you live and have connections to the Illuminati...

:roll:

Awwe - Now you chime in instead of responding to direct questions?

What do I have to say to get you to ignore this thread NS? That you were unfair to Ackbar?

Shall I link the thread?

LOL.

I thank you for being honest, that this upset you and you will argue it because it was not correct.

That said, I think your expectiations are too much, tho I am glad you are a (albeit bitter) optimist. What do you expect?

Would it be nice if the powers that be would admit mistakes, absolutely.

But the structure itself seems to fear ythat admittal to mistake = giving away power, or showing potential weakness to the political structure.

Oh well, that's okay. The issue is what do you want. Do I want --- --- to appoligize, sure. But do I expect it, no. So that isn't how I measure success. To me, sucess is getting support from players who are frineds with ---- --- and from nations like yourself, old school but not a freind of mine. just someone who didn't like what they saw.


Moral of the story: Do the powers ignore calls of inquiry, yeah they do. But you have to read between the lines. Abondonment of unfair practices (as discussed in said thread) and unfair treatment is as much of an appology as you can expect in this game.

Without posting this in the forum, I fear this basic would not have been ahcieved.

Funny thing about that whole incident, I dont recall that I ever posted my side of the argument - beside that I wished for Ackbar to stop posting "good post" etc.


However, we will not get into that issue here. In the incident (threads) listed, the Mod in question posted nothing any more offensive than any other liberal - and the posts in question were made as a PLAYER, not a MOD. No actions were taken on the thread by the Mod involved, not even any threats besides asking the nations involved to get back on topic.

I investigated before even my first post in this thread. Now, if that means that we're hiding something, you're wrong - and to snipe at the Mods in an almost constant manner will earn your nation nothing but deletion. Bringing forward legitimate concerns in a discussionary, non-inflammatory manner is perfectly acceptable (as the originator of this thread did). However, Lem, your posts are borderline trolling of the Mods.

LM, We are not hiding anything here. Several of us have reviewed the posts in question and have determined that the actions taken were certainly acceptable. We do review both our own and others actions, and the administrators have stepped in at times to correct our actions, so there is a system of review for us.

LM, you do make a good point. Though we don't hide things, if any player seriously thinks that we have taken an innapropriate action, there are channels to address this. (including admin@nationstates.net which is not read by any mods). But, you do have to make sure that you have all of your evidence present, linked to, and well thought out. Remember that it will be scrutinized carefully. For the most part, we don't delete posts, so the evidence will almost always be there. However, remember that judgements of this sort stand,

Now, that isn't to say that judgements by the body of mods (such as this one) don't stand on their own. They do. We do review actions, and do make corrections. However, if we feel that an action was appropriate, and you continue to disagree, further debate here is not appropriate. We have made our judgement and further attacks are griefing. If you feel that strongly about our actions, I would refer you to the e-mail above.

The fact is, we aren't some secret society, we are quite open about our actions (I'm probably the most secretive, and I have essentially no powers). Not only that, but we often discuss, debate, and review our actions amoung ourselves. We all are striving to moderate these forums, and this game, the best that we possibly can. We do ask that you remember this.

http://www.weirdozone.0catch.com/projects/nationstates/salusasecondus/salusasecondus2.jpg
SalusaSecondus
Tech Modling

....The fact is, we aren't some secret society....

http://www.weirdozone.0catch.com/projects/nationstates/salusasecondus/salusasecondus2.jpg
SalusaSecondus
Tech Modling

Says the man behind the mask.

I'm probably the most secretive

Nothingg, well, I am open about my secrecy.

I'm probably the most secretive

Nothingg, well, I am open about my secrecy.

That's OK, I'm secret about my openness. :wink:

It's one thing to discuss, however, after a number of Mods have posted that the posts were not flaming/griefing, and you continue to push the issue - and not in a discussion manner, as the thread originator did, but in a manner such as Leemingcus, it's crossing a line. There is a fine line between posting valid points, and doing as Sheol did - attacking the Mods simply because they're the Mods. Lem, I'd advise you to be cautious about crossing that line.

Lol

//skips back and forth across line

//adds a few marks and makes a tic tac toe board

I wasn't aware I "attacked" a Mod - Perhaps you can elucidate and explain "how" i attacked a mod.

My guess is I just got under your skin, and the closest reason you could find to "shut me up" is this "attack the mod thing". -

oooh, upon further reading I note you changed to "trolling" the mods.

What about mods "trolling" the players? Is that covered?

And dont forget to lock your doors and windows at night...We know where you live and have connections to the Illuminati...


I tried to interject on the proper way to collect data on mods you consider unfair - and I get a trolling sarcastic response from a Mod.

Hypocrite - thy name is Neutered Sputniks...

(to clarify - I am not "trolling" the mods - I am airing legitimate thoughts to the process. Some of what I say may be found "irksome" but you need to ask yourself why you feel that way - perhaps take a step back and examine the position you're putting yourself into.)

And Acbar? My tongue has been firmly implanted into my cheek during the past month in my postings here. I'm not angry or upset in any way, shape or form.

Suicide is becoming a popular sport here.

Good luck Lemmingcus. Don't forget, though, if you see yourself behind an 8-ball just to step away from the PC for a few days. Not telling you to duck and hide, just to be sure that you pick your battles and don't allow them to pick you.

It's one thing to discuss, however, after a number of Mods have posted that the posts were not flaming/griefing, and you continue to push the issue - and not in a discussion manner, as the thread originator did, but in a manner such as Leemingcus, it's crossing a line. There is a fine line between posting valid points, and doing as Sheol did - attacking the Mods simply because they're the Mods. Lem, I'd advise you to be cautious about crossing that line.

Lol

//skips back and forth across line

//adds a few marks and makes a tic tac toe board
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Hypocrite - thy name is Neutered Sputniks...
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(to clarify - I am not "trolling" the mods - I am airing legitimate thoughts to the process. Some of what I say may be found "irksome" but you need to ask yourself why you feel that way - perhaps take a step back and examine the position you're putting yourself into.)Perhaps you would look legitimate if you were to post your thoughts in a rational form, instead of mocking the mods as above.

Mockery != Good Arguement
Mockery != Good Post
Mockery == Trolling

Salusa mentioned that the complaints are looked at by the mods and investigated thoroughly. This query is not to suggest or imply there's a 'thin blue line' which maintains a code of silence regarding Mod wrong doings or errors. Neither does this suggest there is Mods who have erred. My question is there an independant auditor of sorts who looks at decisions. I know Violet steps in on occasion but you have to admit the silence is deafening at times. Given the highly charged political atmosphere its easy for some to point at a conspiracy particularily given some of the responses. You're damned for presenting a human face and elitist when you don't.

You sure y'all don't have a secret Masonic handhake? :wink: C'mon, you can tell me.....

Several mods in the general forum participated in a griefing campaign against me led by Montmirail.

Several mods in the general forum participated in a griefing campaign against me led by Montmirail.

They did this sort of thing to Christofi - ignoring him. However, it was done outside of being a mod and this fine. They too are like us non-mods and so can express opinions against people, within reason, like we do. By bringing the fact that they are a mod into it is wrong, unless of course they use their powers against you because they don't like you etc.

It's one thing to discuss, however, after a number of Mods have posted that the posts were not flaming/griefing, and you continue to push the issue - and not in a discussion manner, as the thread originator did, but in a manner such as Leemingcus, it's crossing a line. There is a fine line between posting valid points, and doing as Sheol did - attacking the Mods simply because they're the Mods. Lem, I'd advise you to be cautious about crossing that line.

:roll: You need to chill out a bit, my Mod sister! Getting attacked is part of the business of being a Mod--and we all know that by now. Please stop threatening nations for speaking their minds.

Ineptia

mod sister? and i thought neut was a guy?

Ineptia, griefing or trolling of the Mods is still an offense. Had the points been produced in a non-inflammatory manner there wouldnt have been a need for a warning. However, when ANY player is making inflammatory remarks - regardless of who they're aimed at, it is griefing/trolling, and will be dealt with as such. In this case, a warning that LM was on thin ice.



And Crazy Girl, I am a guy ;)

okay, was just wondering ;)
(man, i really love those wink smileys! ;) )

Funny thing about that whole incident, I dont recall that I ever posted my side of the argument - beside that I wished for Ackbar to stop posting "good post" etc.


However, we will not get into that issue here.

Sorry, for days it has been bothering me I did not correct your aside. I agree this does not belong here, but you put here, so quickly. This was one of like 3 issues you accused me of. Feel free to respond to the actual thread on this, as you stated, this doesn't belong here and does not justice to either of us.

I felt the need to mention this, only so there is not a misconception. I am not re-opneing this here, just correcting. Again, disagreement is meant to be repsectful, feel free to post in the topic that is actually applicable to this.

Thanks, looking out for honesty, sorry I felt the need to at least re-direct the aside.

It's one thing to discuss, however, after a number of Mods have posted that the posts were not flaming/griefing, and you continue to push the issue - and not in a discussion manner, as the thread originator did, but in a manner such as Leemingcus, it's crossing a line. There is a fine line between posting valid points, and doing as Sheol did - attacking the Mods simply because they're the Mods. Lem, I'd advise you to be cautious about crossing that line.

:roll: You need to chill out a bit, my Mod sister! Getting attacked is part of the business of being a Mod--and we all know that by now. Please stop threatening nations for speaking their minds.

Ineptia

I think your time off did you a world of good, Ineptia. Hope things are still fine in your neck of the world.

They did this sort of thing to Christofi - ignoring him. However, it was done outside of being a mod and this fine. They too are like us non-mods and so can express opinions against people, within reason, like we do. By bringing the fact that they are a mod into it is wrong, unless of course they use their powers against you because they don't like you etc.
When an entire campaign, an entire little Liberal club, is organized to recruit people into ignoring a single individual, it is griefing. The mods involved are guilty of it, no question, as is every person on that list, especially Montmirail for organizing it and Tactical Grace for his flamebaiting through whited-out quotes.

The proper way of handling this is the ubiquitous Getting Help page. Be sure to include examples for the admin to look in to.

"Neuty" or Spuddy as he's referred to by his supporters and detractors is rather a common target for antimod rhetoric.

why do you think that is?

When an entire campaign, an entire little Liberal club, is organized to recruit people into ignoring a single individual, it is griefing.

Odd, I could have sworn that griefing was an active event. How can a bunch of people promising to do nothing (ie: not respond to you) be griefing.

Furthermore, not everybody on that list was "a liberal".

Ever hear the phrase, "Maybe it's not them, it's you"?

Odd, I could have sworn that griefing was an active event. How can a bunch of people promising to do nothing (ie: not respond to you) be griefing.
The activity is the recruitment of anyone I am seen interacting with.

Odd, I could have sworn that griefing was an active event. How can a bunch of people promising to do nothing (ie: not respond to you) be griefing.
The activity is the recruitment of anyone I am seen interacting with.

There was no "recruitment". The thread was posted with encouragement for other nations to join. There was not, however, a list of nations the author wanted to join. The people who joined the list did so of their own free will.