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Thankfully Hack seen some of your flaming and I asked you to stop and move on. I would consider this a warning.

This was not my first action as a mod and ironically enough you're the only one that seems to have a problem with me. I tried to stop the thread from turning into a flame. I asked you to stop. You chose not to. That was your decision not mine. I am also a player and am up for fair game *agreed* however, like any player I am protected from being flamed under the rules. You insulted me up the ying yang and enough was enough. Your creative re-dramatization of the actual events are false and I stand by the decision I made.

As far as I'm concerned the subject is closed. However feel free to go to the "getting help" section and report me to the admins if you wish, that is your right. However, keep in mind Hack seen it as well. That is two moderators words against some one who likes to flame.

Also just for the record, if it had been another player then myself that you had flamed in such a manner I would of locked and deleted sooner. I waited so long because it was me it was directed at. So if any thing, I gave you more latitude then I would of normally had it been another player.


Stephanie
Forum Mod.

This Moderator has blatently abused her powers as Moderator. I have monitored her posts, and interaction with this member she is referring to. She has touted a knowledge to which means her opinion means more then anyone else's on the board. She deleted her posts to which were paramount to flames, and has incited a flamewar that has never taken place.

Apparently this Moderator doesn't know what a flame is. I have BEEN involved in numerous political flame wars on other forums, wherein I have been called everything from jackass to numerous other four and five letter words, that are less then flattering, all because my opinion on a matter, and my semantics and insistance that people stick to the words they said, were not appreciated.

The words of this Moderator constitutes a defamation of character and accusations which are paramount to libel. Granted, this is NOT a legal argument, nor is it heading that way. However, this Moderator's ability to lock a thread she is losing an argument in, and then delete her words and those in response to hers, is a blatent abuse of powers. Not to mention she continues to flame people even WHEN she closes and locks a thread.

I would suggest the good Doctor (wannabe) check out the actual definition of a flame, then review her own posts. However, I digress... it will not matter, as the only thing that will happen, is that this thread, will be locked down (if not deleted *gasp*) and any and all definitions of words will be modified in Webster's Dictionary, in an attempt to bring the world into undying agreeance with the Stalin of Stephistan...

Well, if this thread is going anywhere (doubtful, but one never knows) I would recomend you give some URLs for this suposed abuse of her mod powers.

Who the fu*k cares? Stephistan did a good thing, which is to control out a flame war.

Maybe she is strict, but I'd say she is in the "right" line. I've seen worse, much worse :roll:

So, you say calling people "idiots" or "morons" are not flames?

Well, let's see:

Flame=insult
Idiot=flame

Therefore, Idiot=insult

Would you say insulting people is appropriate? No.
What she did about the posts, I would say, is a strict, but effecitve measure. If she didn't delete the posts, then someone could start ANOTRHER flame war based on the flame posts in the OLD thread.

I rest my case.

I'm sure the other mods know about it. She would've said something. Plus, we know at least Hack saw something, so it is reasonable someone else did. If they haven't done anything yet, then they believe she is in the right. That should be good enough for anyone.

i have also been victom of the all powerful stephanie. she flames alot and makes many unfair discissions. i say she gets deleted for crimes against humanity, taking away her modship is not enough :twisted:

And yet, still no one will post a URL showing any kind of abuse. Hummmm.....

i have also been victom of the all powerful stephanie. she flames alot and makes many unfair discissions. i say she gets deleted for crimes against humanity, taking away her modship is not enough :twisted:
There's a reason for oyur thread to be locked: you flamed.

EDIT: And I would suggest you to tell people where she "flamed" and "made many unfair discussions".

i have also been victom of the all powerful stephanie. she flames alot and makes many unfair discissions. i say she gets deleted for crimes against humanity, taking away her modship is not enough :twisted:

Seems to me you are guilty of flaming yourself. Hypocrite.

i have also been victom of the all powerful stephanie. she flames alot and makes many unfair discissions. i say she gets deleted for crimes against humanity, taking away her modship is not enough :twisted:

Seems to me you are guilty of flaming yourself. Hypocrite.

1- flamming is fun, i am half joking, i dont really think she should get deleted or anything. i just dont like her but thats just a personal thing

2-how is that flamming?!

3- FUCK YOU :D

1- flamming is fun, i am half joking, i dont really think she should get deleted or anything. i just dont like her but thats just a personal thing
Personal stuff should not be broughted public.

2-how is that flamming?!
maybe some people don't understand your "joke"

3- f--- YOU :D
Your point?

People, if you have reason for Stephistan to be removed, show it. In the form of a URL that points to a thread where you think Stephistan abused her mod powers and why you think so. If you can't bother doing that, nothing will get done.

People, if you have reason for Stephistan to be removed, show it. In the form of a URL that points to a thread where you think Stephistan abused her mod powers and why you think so. If you can't bother doing that, nothing will get done.
The point is that there isn't any reasons, enough said.

And yes, i've been watching Stephistan's actions. Nothin wrong.

I'd like for you to show me, wherein, I called someone an idiot, a moron, or otherwise... From that point, I'd, then like for you to show me wherein, the user she has been moderating and flamebaiting, has done the same.

The problem here, is you cannot do so.

With regards to URLs to be supplied, I cannot post any, merely because of the words found below:

However, this Moderator's ability to lock a thread she is losing an argument in, and then delete her words and those in response to hers, is a blatent abuse of powers. Not to mention she continues to flame people even WHEN she closes and locks a thread.

This shows you the reason I cannot post a URL. However, if that is not enough evidence, then why does she delete her post before one she called a flame (of this other user)? Flaming is not just a contituted wording of insults. Apparently, the lack of understanding of flaming is extremely showing here.

I would suggest that you defenders of the mighty Stalin of Stephistan actually read what I write in here. URLs cannot be posted, when she deletes her words.

*gasp*

I believe the post she deleted, one of them, contained a criticism of her intentions to drag in her "background" to lead teenagers, who have no individual thought process whatsoever, to her line of thinking, and anyone who speaks to the opposite, must be flaming, therefore their words deleted, and therefore, they deleted, should they push the matter.

Imagine that.

Didn't Stalin execute political dissenters?

I think that what we need is for the censorship to end, along with flaming! I mean you should delete all flames, but let words like fuck, and **** to appear as long as it is for emphasis ONLY. Incase none of you have noticed I'm extremelly against censorship, but I am willing to compomise, like the thing about flaming I just mentioned.

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-President Z.D. Meier
Alliance of Democracy
U.N. Delegate

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So in other words shes evil but you can't prove it? Well I'm sorry then, but theres nothing that can be done. The admins would need to see something.

A well thought out argument, and I applaud your work. Yet you failed (miserably) to point out anywhere whether she had told any other mods or not. If she had, then they would've seen it by now and if they had actually found cause for action, they would've taken it. Now, that's not to say she HAS told any mod (other than Hack), so if she has not, simply provide proof of the incidence and my argument will be quashed. That is not too hard. Also, I'm a teenager, and my thoughts are my own. Strike two against you, but that one isn't technically relative.

I think that what we need is for the censorship to end, along with flaming! I mean you should delete all flames, but let words like f---, and c--- to appear as long as it is for emphasis ONLY. Incase none of you have noticed I'm extremelly against censorship, but I am willing to compomise, like the thing about flaming I just mentioned.

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-President Z.D. Meier
Alliance of Democracy
U.N. Delegate

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I believe crap is allowed. Not sure though.

I think that what we need is for the censorship to end, along with flaming! I mean you should delete all flames, but let words like f---, and c--- to appear as long as it is for emphasis ONLY. Incase none of you have noticed I'm extremelly against censorship, but I am willing to compomise, like the thing about flaming I just mentioned.

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-President Z.D. Meier
Alliance of Democracy
U.N. Delegate

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I believe crap is allowed. Not sure though.

Stephanistan is hardly out of line for controlling a flamewar. That's what she was made a Mod to do. Unless you can provide some hard evidence of her abusing her powers, my suggestion would be to simply go about your own business, and drop the accusations.

Stephanistan is hardly out of line for controlling a flamewar. That's what she was made a Mod to do. Unless you can provide some hard evidence of her abusing her powers, my suggestion would be to simply go about your own business, and drop the accusations.

This shows you the reason I cannot post a URL. However, if that is not enough evidence, then why does she delete her post before one she called a flame (of this other user)? Flaming is not just a contituted wording of insults. Apparently, the lack of understanding of flaming is extremely showing here.
if she actually deleted her "flames", you wouldn't even know that she flamed!

I would suggest that you defenders of the mighty Stalin of Stephistan actually read what I write in here. URLs cannot be posted, when she deletes her words.
I did read.

I believe the post she deleted, one of them, contained a criticism of her intentions to drag in her "background" to lead teenagers, who have no individual thought process whatsoever, to her line of thinking, and anyone who speaks to the opposite, must be flaming, therefore their words deleted, and therefore, they deleted, should they push the matter.
I sense there's no logic in this criticism.
Didn't Stalin execute political dissenters?
Yes.

Stephanistan is hardly out of line for controlling a flamewar. That's what she was made a Mod to do. Unless you can provide some hard evidence of her abusing her powers, my suggestion would be to simply go about your own business, and drop the accusations.

I want everybody to take a deep breath and calm down... now.

Herrma, is the topic you were referring to deleted entirely? Or merely posts within that topic?

If only particular posts were deleted, then supply a URL to the topic in question and I might be able to confirm that posts were deleted (though I wouldn't be able to retrieve those posts).

Since I did not personally witness this incident you're talking about, I can't make a judgement on it. However, I will discuss (with the other Moderators) policy about how flames are to be handled in the future.

Danimalia, if the posts were deleted, then Herrma would be correct in stating that he (or she) can't provide proof.

Omz222, if you saw anyone involved in this incident calling anyone else an "idiot" or a "moron", then I would be very interested in having a hyperlink to the topic containing those posts (assuming that those posts were not also deleted).

Merik, in topics where tempers are starting to run high, I suggest that you be very careful about your jokes as you might start flamewars.


Stephanistan is hardly out of line for controlling a flamewar. That's what she was made a Mod to do. Unless you can provide some hard evidence of her abusing her powers, my suggestion would be to simply go about your own business, and drop the accusations.

Agreed. If no hard evidence can be presented one way or another, then please let this matter drop.

"Think about it for a moment."

--The Modified Democratic States of Cogitation
NationStates Forum Moderator

Cogitation: It is actually just an expression about whether flaming is OK or not...

(Aside from this, I do see many "flame posts", but before I left the General forum days ago, that is, obviously.)

Hey hey hey. Steph is cool ok? Still I would like to see some evidence.. :?

Cogitation: It is actually just an expression about whether flaming is OK or not...

In that case, please be sure to word it as such. The way you worded your original post, it sounded like a specific accusation.

--The Modified Democratic States of Cogitation

This will be my only post on this thread or related to this topic:

I'm familiar with the situation being discussed, and it is my opinion that she handled herself acceptably.

That being said, I'm shocked that it has taken this long for someone to call for her removal, it took less than 12hrs. for someone to request mine due to "abuse of powers".

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SalusaSecondus
Tech Modling

This will be my only post on this thread or related to this topic:

I'm familiar with the situation being discussed, and it is my opinion that she handled herself acceptably.

That being said, I'm shocked that it has taken this long for someone to call for her removal, it took less than 12hrs. for someone to request mine due to "abuse of powers".

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SalusaSecondus
Tech Modling


12 hours ? lol thats fast,some look for the latest mod & follows them around looking for things I guess ;)

If Stephistan is a liberal
and Aquilla hates liberals
then Aquilla hates Stephistan

If moderator's mod actions are not related to their RP's
and Aquilla does not care about moderator's mod actions as long as he isn't affected
and Aquilla only hates liberal's pollyticks
then Aquilla does not give a pixel of the :P smiley that Stephistan is doing this or isn't.

[Moderator Edit - Cogitation] 5 duplicate posts deleted. [/modedit]

sorry for the sextuple post

I want everybody to take a deep breath and calm down... now.

Herrma, is the topic you were referring to deleted entirely? Or merely posts within that topic?

If only particular posts were deleted, then supply a URL to the topic in question and I might be able to confirm that posts were deleted (though I wouldn't be able to retrieve those posts).

I'm not Hermma, but I can provide the information you request. Stephistan's actions were taken against me. The topic was not deleted; as near as I can remember it was the last three posts, two of mine and one of hers in the middle that were removed. The thread is here:

http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=63321

As of 9/7/03, the thread was still there, because I quoted from it extensively in replying to another thread in this forum:

http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=68245

My actual post was quite lengthy, and I won't reproduce it here. Although it took me over 4 hours to make certain I got it right, and did not mislead anyone, either intentionally or unintentionally, it took Stephistan 31 minutes to accuse me of lying and lock that thread also.

...Your creative re-dramatization of the actual events are false and I stand by the decision I made....
Now that is a flame, and unethical as well. If you follow the flow of my post, and go back to the threads involved and read the entire posts, you will find my account completely factual. Anyone can win any argument if they simply take the last word and lock the thread so no replies are possible. It was for this reason that I recommended no moderator be allowed to moderate any thread in which he is an active participant. It leads to too many abuses.

Since I did not personally witness this incident you're talking about, I can't make a judgement on it. However, I will discuss (with the other Moderators) policy about how flames are to be handled in the future....

Stephanistan is hardly out of line for controlling a flamewar. That's what she was made a Mod to do. Unless you can provide some hard evidence of her abusing her powers, my suggestion would be to simply go about your own business, and drop the accusations.

Agreed. If no hard evidence can be presented one way or another, then please let this matter drop.

If she were controlling a flamewar, Neutered Sputniks would be entirely correct. However, she was not controlling a flamewar, she was using her powers to control a discussion, which is a much different thing. My stating that she uses her age, education, etc to end discussions is not a flame, or flamebait. It is simply a fact. It was she, not I, who said her opinion counted more because of these factors. Her assertions are rather meaningless here anyway, because in the free electrons of the web anyone can be anyone. I am not promoting that we are publish our CV for the world to examine, but I am stating that this is a very poor debating technique. I have never seen it used except by someone who was not comfortable with their own arguments or abilities.

If you wish more specific threads where she has done this - which, by the way, is flaming - I might be able to find them, if they still exist, and if the posts have not been deleted. Lest you say this is a flame, an unwarranted attack on a moderator, I point to the fact that she has done it once. That she might totally cover her tracks would seem to be a logical concern. It's a terrible thing to have to say and do on a game forum, but after her actions last week, I now save all posts as a word document.

V/R
StarWalker of Kaolynth

I think that what we need is for the censorship to end, along with flaming! I mean you should delete all flames, but let words like f---, and c--- to appear as long as it is for emphasis ONLY. Incase none of you have noticed I'm extremelly against censorship, but I am willing to compomise, like the thing about flaming I just mentioned.

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-President Z.D. Meier
Alliance of Democracy
U.N. Delegate

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I believe crap is allowed. Not sure though.

I said c-u-n-t not crap

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Alliance of Democracy
U.N. Delegate

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sorry for the sextuple post

Hold on, I'm trying to delete the duplicate posts for you....

--The Modified Democratic States of Cogitation

So, what, the mods are going to delete all flame posts from now on?

I'm no mod lover but I think Stephistan is doing her best, especially as she is under constant attack. Accuse me of brown-nosing if you like but many of my ealier posts will show I disagree with the mods if I think they're wrong. Stay strong Steph.

Hmmm, threads accusing the mods of abusing their powers claiming damning evidence that never quiet turns out as they say it will.

Where have I heard that before...

cough*Sheol*cough

If the Moderator in question abused her power and has done this before, then she will do it again. Therefore, you need to keep an eye on her posts so you can report her the next time she does it immediately.

It seems there is nothing more you can do for this action.

Who knows? Maybe the knowledge you are watching will prevent future acts.

Personally, I don't see anything wrong with that. And I didn't see Steph flame, no, not even in the "evidence thread". She was just controlling a flame war.

but that's just my view anyways.

Hmmm, threads accusing the mods of abusing their powers claiming damning evidence that never quiet turns out as they say it will.

Where have I heard that before...

cough*Sheol*cough

Good call. :lol:

Hmmm, threads accusing the mods of abusing their powers claiming damning evidence that never quiet turns out as they say it will.

Where have I heard that before...

cough*Sheol*cough

Actually I believe he preffered to be called Shoel.

Hm. We already had a thread asking that particular Mod/Tech/UN thread be unlocked. Now we have someone clamouring for the removal of a mod over it. Sheej.

Yes, I clearly remember that thread, and much of it's history. It was originally posted in the Moderation Forum, and I moved it to Tech without fanfare, and occationally kept an eye on it. Not much of one, as I have no real interest in the UN.

One of my perusals turned up the following two excerpts:

[...] I also think this topic should be moved to the UN where it probably belongs and would probably have a larger debate on the issue.

-and-

I would request that this thread be moved to the UN forum please.

I thought about it for a couple minutes, and decided that it probably would receive more discussion in the UN Forum, so I moved it there, with a little line I often use when responding to in-thread requests, namely: So it was written, so it shall be.

And I washed my hands of the thread, figuring it would be last I would see of it.

...until Kaolynth sent me a telegram about a post. In particular:

So, the Most Glorious Hack is a puppet of Stephistan?? Or is Stephistan perhaps Max Berry (Violet) in mufti? I was under the impression that threads concerning game changes/modifications belonged in the technical area. Clearly, so was the originator of this thread, Athine. Now, Most Glorious Hack, did you check whether Athine wanted this thread moved before you moved it, or is Stephistan currently the defacto ruler of the UN, as well as a self-styled UN expert, controlling everything that mentions it?

Certainly, she has the right to disagree with the intent of the thread, and campaign against it; but, unless I'm missing some major part of the puzzle, she still is not the controller of the forums. Only Athine can state authoritatively why this was started in the technical area, but given it's nature, it certainly seems to belong there. I request it be placed back where it was.

Athine - comments??

I was rather stunned when I read this, and reread it in the thread. After a bit of thought, I crafted my responce:

No, can't say that I asked.

I simply read Stephistan's opinion (that this thread would receive more discussion in the UN Forum), and felt that it was an accurate assessment, so I moved it.

Furthermore, Athine didn't think it belonged in Technical. Athine thought it belonged in Moderation. I moved it to Technical days ago. It since became more of a discussion thread, so it got moved to this forum.

A shadow topic was left in Technical, so anyone in the forum can easily follow the link here.

Finally, if I really was a puppet of Stephistan, I would have simply moved it, as opposed to talking to myself. Twice.

And so the thread continued with a discussion between the author and Stephistan. I kept the occational eye on it incase there were further posts questioning... well... I guess my ability to make decisions. I thought I could ignore the thread until I saw this little gem:

I watch many of the threads, and have monitored your guidance of the United Nations into what *you* perceive it *should* be. I also watched, and commented on, the fact that you barked, and the Most Glorious Hack heeled. I made no accusations, merely comments on what I observed.

No, no... that's perfectly upstanding. At that point I posted a somewhat mean-spirited responce ("That. Is. Correct. This. Unit. Is. Incapable. Of. Independant. Thought.") and was done with it, figuring that continuing to argue would be akin to yelling at a wall, only looking into the thread to keep an eye out for really bad flaming.

At one point I almost did lock the thread, but at that time Stephistan had become a Mod, so I figured I would leave it in her hands, as it would be rather rude to shoot the floor out from under her. By the time I had decided that senting a telegram to her suggesting that things were going a little too far, she had already locked it.

Which largely brings us full circle. The flames in that thread had completely derailed the discussion in a manner that would make the General Forum proud.

The point of the thread was to discuss changes in the UN, not for personal attacks. Stephistan was perfectly justified in purging the flames and locking the topic. The topic was valid, and the views were worth reading, the flames were not.

In the thread asking about why it was locked, it was made perfectly clear that another such thread could be created to continue the conversation.

This whole concept of removing Stephistan as a result of one action is utterly ridiculous.

Good Morning to all of you too! :shock:

I have read through this entire thread, with much surprise to be honest. I was warned that people treat you differently after you become a mod. I was warned that people would accuse me of abusing my power if I did some thing they found unpopular. I thought that since I acted no differently now then before I became a mod perhaps some how I would be immune. I see now I'm not.

One thing didn't make sense to me, that was who the heck was Herrma?
I had no idea who this person was and couldn't recall when if ever I had ever had a discussion with them, or had locked/deleted or otherwise any thing to do with them. I figured they must really not like me to post such a thread. I must of done some thing to tick them off. Of course my first thought was , well this must be a puppet of Kaolynth, much to my surprise it was not. Then I thought... "I bet they both reside in the same region" and BINGO! I had never had any discussions with this Herrma person, this was an action that Kaolynth no doubt put this person up to. So, now that I have this figured out. I will move onto the accusations.

First I'm not sure why this wasn't sent to the "getting help" section on the FAQ page to the admins as one would think it would. However I suspect (this is only a guess) that would not get the desired affect of attempting to publicly ridicule me. Besides we all know how some like to jump on the bandwagon and bash the mods! I must say though that hasn't happened here. With of course the exception of Merik, oh and just for the record, this is the thread that he claims to be a victim of me in;

http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=67806

note the last comments in the thread. I thought it lock worthy for two reasons, it was getting nasty and it was a thread in moderation. I hardly think Merik fell victim to my ruthless tactics.

As for what Kaolynth has said, I have addressed this a few times now. I will do so again. I won't address what Herrma has said simply because it's rather obvious why they posted this. To look like an impartial third party, which of course we now know they're not.

I suppose I do let my age show at times because I refer to my son a lot when I'm making an example some times. I refer to being a parent. I didn't realize there was a problem with this. In these cases it's usually because it has some thing to do with children. So, I have indeed said things such as "As a parent" True. I do some times have a habit of saying "kids" perhaps I shouldn't do this, however to me some one at a certain age to me is a kid. I don't say it in a derogatory way. It just comes out like that. Some thing to work on perhaps. I'm sorry if I have offended any one in doing so.

I also challenge Kaolynth to come up with any posts (except one) where I have ever used my "background" in any post. The only thread where I have done this was in the "What is the mandate of the UN?" sticky, while in an argument with Dragongate, long before I became a mod. If you care to notice Dragongate wasn't always that nice to me and said some pretty insulting things to me and yet his posts are still there. Why? Because while they were insulting to me and he clearly called me a few names, I didn't feel he had went over the line even when others did. His posts are all still there. You can go look for yourself. He and I had a very heated discussion, if I was going to "abuse" my mod powers one would think I would of on him, not on Kaolynth who I have never really had a discussion with prior to this locked post in question. I may have had passing comments with him in other UN topics, but that would be about it.

I suppose it's not beyond the scope to believe that Kaolynth has read the sticky posts in the UN forum or any one else for that matter. Given Kaolynth is mostly a UN forum poster that I know of. I absolutely deny that I made any such arguments that Kaolynth is claiming I made. This person went off on me like 90 miles an hour and I left it there. I asked him to stop and move on, he chose not to. Thus, more bashing followed that had nothing to do with the topic but rather my background that I can only assume was a result of him reading the above mentioned post with Dragongate. Some how I became the object of the argument and the topic of the thread was completely lost. He showed no signs of slowing down either. So, yes, I decided to delete the posts that I had been bashed in and lock the topic in hopes it would just blow over and the problem would cease and desist. I thought it had. Then a week later Kaolynth posted in the moderation forum his complaint. I addressed it again and locked it again. I did not delete it. Then a few days later we are here.

I will admit to one mistake I made. That was before I became a mod I was under the understanding that no changes would be made to the game. It does after all state it in the FAQ I believe. After becoming a mod I have learned that on very rare occasions changes have been made and some times can be made. I didn't know this when I made the post saying "no changes" I guess one could speculate that if I was truly making an attempt to cover up mistakes I had made or some sort of wrong doing, I would of deleted that post to, now wouldn't I of?

I have never changed my style of posting and the way I act on this forum is the same as I did before I became a mod. I admit I might have a strong personality. I don't necessarily see that as a flaw. Perhaps some do. I see now that I will have to be more careful in the future. This has taught me a valuable lesson about being a mod on these forums. I suppose any one can accuse me of any thing and simply claim I deleted the evidence. I would like to think that I was made a mod because the admins thought I was trustworthy and level headed and wouldn't do the things I have been accused of in this thread.

Other then what I have said here, I really have nothing left to say on the subject. I will leave it up to the admins to decide what to do if any thing.

Peace,
Stephanie.

Don't worry, be happy Steph. 8)

Wow. Not only have the creaters/supporters of this thread made themselves look like ass holes, they've made Stephistan look like a better mod . . . :? :D

It's unfortunate that a new moderator has felt themselves in the position of having to make such a lengthy public statement so soon into their career as a mod.

Considering the amount of heat some people throw around on these boards it amazes me that more mods don't do a Neut and gas half of us. No offence Neut I'm sure you don't do it for fun.

Wow. Not only have the creaters/supporters of this thread made themselves look like ass holes, they've made Stephistan look like a better mod . . . :? :D

I second that! I did not see any of it directly, but a bit of reading strongly suggests Stephistan has acquitted herself honourably, while her detractors, thanks to the manner of their complaints, are rapidly losing their dignity.

Wow. Not only have the creaters/supporters of this thread made themselves look like ass holes, they've made Stephistan look like a better mod . . . :? :D
Ditto.

After reading this thread, along with the "damning evidence" against Steph, I've come up with this nice little Situation Briefing.

Despite the deletion of some posts in the other threads, Steph's post detailing her habits and thoughts on the situation earns her some major respect from a good number of players. Further support and testimony from M.G.H. has reinforced this and Steph comes out on top, some opinions saying that respect for Steph's modship has actually risen, defeating the purpose of the thread.

On the other end of the spectrum, after starting a largely useless thread Steph's detractors have yet to provide suitable evidence or reason for any restrictions on Steph's power.
Furthermore, after posting this statement:


...Your creative re-dramatization of the actual events are false and I stand by the decision I made....

Now that is a flame, and unethical as well.Kaolynth has lost most, if not all credibility in identifying flames.

It seems that things are pretty much cleared up now, but here's my $0.02.

As the forum admin that gave Stephistan mod status, I see nothing wrong with her actions. Yes, it might have been better to have left the flames rather than delete them. HOWEVER, Stephistan is still a newbie to modding. Newbies makes a few mistakes while learning the ropes, as is the case here. She has learned from this, however, and a single mild mistake is a far cry from grounds for a dishonorable discharge.

In short, Kaolynth, Herrma, you can cry foul to your little hearts' content, but you'll need to provide either myself or [violet] with a considerable heap of evidence to get a mod removed. (Well, myself or [violet] for forum mod stuff, and [violet] for game mod/forum admin stuff.)

Stephistan (and Cogitation, while I'm at it) were picked to be mods for a number of reasons: Both are levelheaded, mature players, both seemed to be very popular choices among the players (See? We DO listen to you guys!), and both were from outside the perceived 'in' crowd. (When we started discussing the possibility of new forum mods, we deliberately went looking outside of our immediate circles, because we don't want it to appear that you have to be in a specific little social clique to become a mod.)

At any rate, that's my lengthy $0.02 on the subject.

~Evil Empress [Rep Prod] the Forum God

Can I just say that you're looking pretty swish with the new square brackets there reploid. :)

Can I just say that you're looking pretty swish with the new square brackets there reploid. :)

Hey Spoffin, you're stealing my thunder!!! LMAO

If you have nothing nasty or nice to say about me, you're off topic.. LOL

I'm just kidding ;)

Peace,
Stephanie.

P.S. Thank You every one for your support I am very humbled by it and grateful.

If you have nothing nasty or nice to say about me, you're off topic.. LOL

4bu53r 0f p0w0r!!!!1111one

That better?

If you have nothing nasty or nice to say about me, you're off topic.. LOL

4bu53r 0f p0w0r!!!!1111one

That better?

:lol:

In these kinds of jokes, it's usually a good idea to insert a smiley. :wink:

--The Modified Democratic States of Cogitation

It's okay, she's smart enough to figure it out :wink:

It's okay, she's smart enough to figure it out :wink:

Abuser of power.. *ouch*

Peace,
Stephanie.

Interestingly, as I gather from this, if I don't agree with Stalin of Stephistan, and walk in lock step with her, my opinion doesn't matter, and I am nothing more then a flunky for someone else. Ridiculous, but people are entitled to their opinions, no matter how... stupid... that opinion actually is. What I find most humorous about this idiotic notion, is that when she barks, someone heels to her every demand... and she insinuates to me being a flunky?

You shouldn't be humbled by their support Stalin of Stephistan, you should be hobbled by it. They are, obviously, unable to think for themselves, unable to formulate their own opinion, obviously frauds for their line of thinking not agreeing with my own...







After all, isn't that what you've said to people before you've deleted your posts? Isn't that what you've told international lawyers, that they don't know what they're talking about because they don't agree with your socialistic propoganda you spew out to teenagers unable to do anything without the indoctrinization of you?

The real problem with your views and those of the ignorant people on this thread replying with their infinite knowledge of flaming is, I have flamed now 30 times more potently then those you accuse of flaming (but, obviously, your knowledge of language and especially intellectual discussion, leaves more to be desired). You wreak of an intellectual void every time you relay your "credentials" for why your opinion means more then anyone else's. You yell at those for flaming you, when you (stupidly, I might add) insert yourself into an argument.

You see, flaming occurs when you attack a person, or persona, personally, rather then an issue presented. When you attack only an issue, no matter what you say, you are not flaming. However, when you (again, stupidly) add yourself to the discussion, on a personal level, claiming that your opinion means more then someone else's, and that someone who doesn't have "your credentials" need to shut up. At that point, you have removed any sort of safety net from flaming, from underneath you. You, however, showing an "all knowing", intellectual void, have done that too frequently, and as such, don't like it when your words are called into question.

That, unfortunately, is the reason those who have responded, have done so. They don't know the words, the language, or the matters presented. You've done a fairly adequate job, of dulling any sort of sharpness from their intelligence, into thinking that you, of all people, know what's best for them. You don't know the premise behind the United Nations, you haven't a clue how government works (that's fairly obvious as well), and you won't begin to understand the reason why people call you on your notions, ridiculous.

Me, on the other hand, I don't care what people say to me, or about me. I allow people to think for themselves, and ecourage such a thing. I know that socialism is a ridiculous dream that ultimately fails because of people like you, those who do not understand the nature of human beings, and their yearning to be free of tyrannical socialites, who dictate their thought process. You're the type of person that idolizes everything the Soviet Union ever stood for.

It's a shame really, and it's really quite pathetic as well.

But, to each their own.

As for the comments about the Admin and making her a moderator, etc."

Sadly, you cannot Telegram the Admin to tell them how incredibly wrong, Stalin of Stephistan is, as a moderator. You cannot tell the Admin to remove her because she abuses her powers, and claims to stop a flame war from occurring, when she is the one trying to start one. You cannot inform the Admin of this because the Admin has stated, that any problems with Moderators...

Must be posted here... on this forum, wherein, you are subsequently told, by every ignorant person replying (which, I might add, I don't recall anyone asking the supporters of Stalin to reply, as this was obviously addressed to an adminstrative aspect of these forums, not for them), that there wasn't anything warranting her removal from a status she shouldn't have. However, not ONE of you can, in any way, shape or form, explain to me, the reason she deserves this status.

The absolute shame in all of this is, she knows how incredibly inept she is, how she has abused the powers granted to her, etc. and so do I.

But, in her dream world, she is but a victim of her stature... her intent to keep these forums safe from those who would disagree with her... er... flame others...

Apparently, she feels that everyone on these forums, are stupid...

Oh well...

I would quote someone right now on that, except for one thing --

Quotations are for people who haven't an original thought in their head, and have to resort to others because they can't think for themselves.

The name you made for Stephistan shows enough about the "quality" of your views.

My suggestion is that you come up with some hard proof before you blabber with no evidence. Where's the proof of everything you said? The answer: there's no proof.

I would also suggest you to settle this nonsense. Personally, from my nertual views, Stephistan is a good mod.

And this is what these people do --- blabber about things without hard, solid evidence. The reason? They have no evidence!

Whose puppet are you herrma? Or on whose pricked ego are you posting? You have made a wonderful job of exposing the intillectual poverty of other posters. If only we all had your massive brain...........and ego........and hypocricy.........and arrogance. Whatever your motives, you've done wonders............

Herrma there is an old saying that goes some thing like this, if you have to stoop to such insults, you've already lost the argument. When have I ever spoke to you? Ever? You're going to try and convince us all that we are the people incapable of free thought? You're going to try and say it's just a simple coincidence that not only do you reside in the same region as Kaolynth, but you are one of only two people who endorse him for delegate? Is that what you want us to believe? These accusations you keep making about me, where are the threads? Produce the threads? I'm sure with all of your experience of 4 posts you know where these said threads are? Where?

All you have done by posting this new response is show how likely it was that I was in fact correct and you and Kaolynth are lying by showing the level you'll stoop to insult some one. However, this is nothing compared to what Kaolynth said to me, I'll give you that. However, it sure proves just how capable you are of it.

While we are at it, let's be really honest here. The fact is you don't like my politics. That's what I see going on here. Fine, don't like them, no one has to. I never said I'm right your wrong. I simply gave my opinion on an issue. I didn't do any thing for your friend to go off on me and then make false allegations. I certainly didn't do any thing to you for you to have this mini hissy fit here either.

Yet insulting me is not enough, now you're going after any one who happens to disagree with you? They gave you the benefit of the doubt, they asked for the evidence, seems reasonable to me. Not even one thread to back up a word you're saying? Not a word. You and Kaolynth seem to be a little obsessed with my "credentials" not me. I told one person my "credentials" in turn they told me theirs. It was a pre-mod thread to. However that is besides the point. I have never, I repeat never said that my "credentials" invalidates any one else's opinion.

I am done with this whole mess. Shine on you crazy diamond. I'm not listening any more. End of story!

Peace,
Stephanie.

I am done with this whole mess. Shine on you crazy diamond. I'm not listening any more. End of story!


You could exit this earlier, since they seem to be "deaf" when facing people's reactions and try to insult you without any hard soild evidence. And I doubt they will be evidence.

blah blah blah...that they don't know what they're talking about because they don't agree with your socialistic propoganda you spew out to teenagers unable to do anything without the indoctrinization of you?....blah blah blah
For someone who claims to know "the facts" you sure are missing alot of things.

1. Before her moderatorship, I'd never even heard of Stephistan.
Kind of hard to be indoctrinated by someone you've never even heard of.

2. You can ask people who know me and they'll tell you I'm far from being socialist. Yet, for some odd reason I still support Stephistan on this one, even though she supposedly spews "vile socialist propaganda", I wonder why?

Wait, I know. It's because I looked at the situation from a completely neutral prespective, looked at your "evidence" and came to my current stance via a little known process known as logic.

3. Barking? Heeling? I see no heeling, unless of course she's telling trouble makers to cut it out, in which case they should heel, and actually abide by the rules.

4. Yes, I think Stephistan's background does make her better qualified.
Parenting and such brings one experience in many things, including disciplinary actions and dealing with those under your care.
Experience brings wisdom. Wisdom is knowledge, and as you've heard knowledge is power.

5. It doesn't matter if someone has "removed the safety net for flaming" or however you justify flaming someone. Flaming is still against the rules, and "safety net" or not, it will still get you in trouble.

Me, on the other hand, I don't care what people say to me, or about me. I allow people to think for themselves, and ecourage such a thing.
Really? Then why do you keep trying to convince us that we're all wrong, and insinuating that those supporting Steph are idiots?

Berserker: I don't expect good logic from them anyways, sicne they are tryign as hard as they can to remove Stephistan from the "mods club" while having flaws in their argument.

You see, flaming occurs when you attack a person, or persona, personally, rather then an issue presented. When you attack only an issue, no matter what you say, you are not flaming. However, when you (again, stupidly) add yourself to the discussion, on a personal level, claiming that your opinion means more then someone else's, and that someone who doesn't have "your credentials" need to shut up. At that point, you have removed any sort of safety net from flaming, from underneath you. You, however, showing an "all knowing", intellectual void, have done that too frequently, and as such, don't like it when your words are called into question.

[Emphasis mine.]

A reminder about the rules, here.

Flaming is not allowed under any circumstances. Regardless of your opinion of the people you are dealing with, flaming is not allowed.

It could be argued that a person might deserve to be flamed, however I consider that beside the point. Being flamed is not justification for flaming.

--The Modified Democratic States of Cogitation

Interestingly, as I gather from this, if I don't agree with Stalin of Stephistan, and walk in lock step with her, my opinion doesn't matter, and I am nothing more then a flunky for someone else. Ridiculous, but people are entitled to their opinions, no matter how... stupid... that opinion actually is. What I find most humorous about this idiotic notion, is that when she barks, someone heels to her every demand... and she insinuates to me being a flunky?

You shouldn't be humbled by their support Stalin of Stephistan, you should be hobbled by it. They are, obviously, unable to think for themselves, unable to formulate their own opinion, obviously frauds for their line of thinking not agreeing with my own...

Insulting everyones intelligence, no matter how flowery the language, could be constituted as a flame. That is what ultimately led to the deletion of Sheol. Not his anti-mod views, his harassment of the mods. You are wandering down this very same path. Your cute little nickname for Stephistan is a flame.

After all, isn't that what you've said to people before you've deleted your posts? Isn't that what you've told international lawyers, that they don't know what they're talking about because they don't agree with your socialistic propoganda you spew out to teenagers unable to do anything without the indoctrinization of you?

This is rapidly changing to look more like a personal vendetta against the in character and/or politcal opinions of someone who happens to be an authority figure. Harassment. Judgement has been passed on this, yet you're continue to pester/annoy/slander/persecute/flame Stephistan. Cool yer jets.

The real problem with your views and those of the ignorant people on this thread replying with their infinite knowledge of flaming is, I have flamed now 30 times more potently then those you accuse of flaming (but, obviously, your knowledge of language and especially intellectual discussion, leaves more to be desired). You wreak of an intellectual void every time you relay your "credentials" for why your opinion means more then anyone else's. You yell at those for flaming you, when you (stupidly, I might add) insert yourself into an argument.

You see, flaming occurs when you attack a person, or persona, personally, rather then an issue presented. When you attack only an issue, no matter what you say, you are not flaming. However, when you (again, stupidly) add yourself to the discussion, on a personal level, claiming that your opinion means more then someone else's, and that someone who doesn't have "your credentials" need to shut up. At that point, you have removed any sort of safety net from flaming, from underneath you. You, however, showing an "all knowing", intellectual void, have done that too frequently, and as such, don't like it when your words are called into question.

You admit to flaming? Good, then stop it, lest action needs to be taken to end it. You're the one making a mountain out of a molehill. Stephistan made a slight judgement error, and has had it explained. It is an error that will not be repeated. Just because you feel intimidated by trying to debate something ICly with a player who happens to be a mod does not make it okay to cry foul and call for that mod's removal.

That, unfortunately, is the reason those who have responded, have done so. They don't know the words, the language, or the matters presented. You've done a fairly adequate job, of dulling any sort of sharpness from their intelligence, into thinking that you, of all people, know what's best for them. You don't know the premise behind the United Nations, you haven't a clue how government works (that's fairly obvious as well), and you won't begin to understand the reason why people call you on your notions, ridiculous.

Me, on the other hand, I don't care what people say to me, or about me. I allow people to think for themselves, and ecourage such a thing. I know that socialism is a ridiculous dream that ultimately fails because of people like you, those who do not understand the nature of human beings, and their yearning to be free of tyrannical socialites, who dictate their thought process. You're the type of person that idolizes everything the Soviet Union ever stood for.

*boredly* This is out-of-character, not about in-character political differences. Please learn to differentiate.

It's a shame really, and it's really quite pathetic as well.

But, to each their own.

As for the comments about the Admin and making her a moderator, etc."

Sadly, you cannot Telegram the Admin to tell them how incredibly wrong, Stalin of Stephistan is, as a moderator. You cannot tell the Admin to remove her because she abuses her powers, and claims to stop a flame war from occurring, when she is the one trying to start one. You cannot inform the Admin of this because the Admin has stated, that any problems with Moderators...

Must be posted here... on this forum, wherein, you are subsequently told, by every ignorant person replying (which, I might add, I don't recall anyone asking the supporters of Stalin to reply, as this was obviously addressed to an adminstrative aspect of these forums, not for them), that there wasn't anything warranting her removal from a status she shouldn't have. However, not ONE of you can, in any way, shape or form, explain to me, the reason she deserves this status.

And there, you are outright wrong. Many of the moderators and the admin have email addresses for issues such as this.

admin@nationstates.net - [violet]
xellos_san@hotmail.com - [reploidproductions]

Now, Herrma, having reviewed all the information, this is the official, final ruling.

-Stephistan should not have deleted the flames- splitting them from the thread or merely locking the thread would have sufficed. Stephistan is still learning the ropes, such a mistake is therefore forgivable, especially as the intent to prevent a recurrance is there. As such, Herrma's petition for the removal of Stephistan as a mod is dismissed.
-You are harassing Stephistan and pressing an issue that has been closed once already. Whether or not Kao put you up to it is irrelevant. There is considerable talk on IRC about the uncanny similiarities in your posting style to Kaolynth's. Funny what a UN cheat scan turns up, isn't it?
-This is your warning. This particular case is closed, and further persueing it without any evidence will earn you a warning and then deletion. Just like Sheol. Don't cry foul unless you've got proof. (Contrary to what you seem to think, the mods seldom delete posts, so if there is all this activity going on that you claim, you can find oodles and gobs of evidence to email to the admins.)

Sentence passed, case dismissed, thread locked.
~Evil Empress [Rep Prod] the Forum God and Senior Game Mod