NationStates Jolt Archive

Rightly called griefers by Imitora, these nations go around and disturb perfectly peaceful regions for their own twisted amusement. It is certainly not just to the nations who are being affected by this to leave their cries unanswered. In addition, making a UN Law is out of the picture, because not all nations are UN Members. For this, it should be NS Policy that no regional invasions should exist.

Nations In Favor:
Tiburon
Pilon

Nations Against:
The Sword and Shield
Cogitation

the nation of Pilon seconds the proposal.

No matter how many nations you get in this they are not going to ban it. When are people going to understand this, greifing is illegal but region invading is legal. I don't like it but these are what Founders are for, if you want one just start your own region, and you'll be the founder. They prevent regional invasions.

Then find an alternative.

Besides if the invaders go then the defenders will get bored.....and then where will we be?

Then find an alternative.

An alternative to what, Founders are the alternative, it's real easy to prevent region invasions in most places, with exceptions like the Pacifics or some regions. And it is easily fixed by simply starting your Own region. Even if a founder is ejected they still can access regional controls and ban the nations who take it over.

It's not that simple to boot out swarms and swarms of nations pouring into a region.

Max and [violet] have both spoken on the subject, and so long as an invasion does not do the following things, they are considered a legal form of play:

-Ejecting a large number of natives (judged on a case-by-case scenario- 40% is a good meterstick for measuring it though)
-Spam/flood the regional message board and regional happening
-Take over by use of UN Multies
-Interfere with the natives' ability to come and go from the region as they please. (This includes kicking people out and leaving them on the ban list, passwording the region without giving the password to the natives, and the like.)

It's unlikely that the Powers That Be will change their minds on this.

~Evil Empress Rep Prod the Game Mod

Yes it is, it's called a password

1.) *sigh* All right, in that case...

2.) There's a ban list? Whoa, there are aspects of this game I have never even glimpsed at...

3.) Wasn't Rep just admined?

2.) There's a ban list? Whoa, there are aspects of this game I have never even glimpsed at...

3.) Wasn't Rep just admined?

Put me down for being against banning invasions. I would prefer to see invasions be restricted to those who choose to play invasions, but I am against banning invasions altogether.

In response to #2: When a nation is kicked from a region, it's name goes on a ban list and the nation cannot reenter the region until it's name is removed from the list, if that ever happens.


-Ejecting a large number of natives (judged on a case-by-case scenario- 40% is a good meterstick for measuring it though)

Is this an unofficial guideline or an official number*?

* Taking into account that you might take action against invaders who deliberately kick 39% of the natives.

--The Democratic States of Cogitation
"Think about it for a moment."

Invasions are deeply unpleasant, but they are made quite difficult. As long as you have an active Founder in your region, who logs on at least once a day, you will be OK whether or not you have password protection. If there is a sudden influx of UN nations, the Founder should be able to eject them before the daily UN update.

For added security, get the Founder to deny the UN Delegate access to Regional Controls. That way, the invaders would be unable to do anything if one of them succeeds in becoming the Delegate.

Password protection is best used as an extraordinary measure, as it makes recruitment and the free movement of nations very difficult.

If you have no Founder and are under threat, consider re-creating your region. It is a hassle and you will lose a lot of nations, but it will make you a far less tempting target.

Lastly, if you are in the process of being invaded, contacting one of the defensive armies in NationStates could help. If they have the time. Like the Mods, they have to be selective in their use of their time. Active regions with anti-griefer attitudes and allies include Urbanites, The Heartland, Rejected Realms Army, Mercia and The New Mercia. Needless to say, the most reliable help comes from your own long-term allies. It helps to have some.

The nation of Eridanus supports your proposal! I just hate bullies.

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-President Z.D. Meier
Alliance of Democracy
U.N. Delegate

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Now that my name is on the Against list, I'd like to reiterate my position before the anti-invader crowd tries to crucify me. :wink:

I just hate bullies.

I also hate bullies, which is why I don't like hearing about invaders bothering non-invaders. Invaders bothering invaders is something I'm perfectly fine with; I might even participate someday. Like I've said before: I'm not anti-invader, I'm anti-jerk.

Hence, I want a new rule saying that invaders can only invade other invaders. If that rule is ever put in place, then it's the only rule one needs to stop the bullying (aside from no spamming and no flaming); several other restrictions on invasions can be lifted... like you don't have to give out the password to natives, you can ban all natives, et cetera. These should all be risks of invading people: you can have this done to you as well as doing this to your targets.

But to stop the bullying involved in some of the invasions going on now: any invader that touches a non-invader region with a ten-foot-pole should be ejected from the UN.

...but, that's only my opinion. I don't set policy around here.

--The Democratic States of Cogitation
"Think about it for a moment."
Founder of The Realm of Ambrosia

I just put in a password protection myself. Just to prevent that sort of thing. And that would be my advice to any regions seeking to protect themselves against any attempt to invade.

I just put in a password protection myself. Just to prevent that sort of thing. And that would be my advice to any regions seeking to protect themselves against any attempt to invade.

That too is what I did

They will never stop region crashing. It is supposed to be there. It was put there by the LORD MAX BARRY 8) Himself. It will stay, so you can stop with the threads.

Me? I have done all I can to prevent region invasion, so it is out of my hands.

Got no problem with it, but as an observation, this is one of the few topics that it seems it is okay to do minimual research on.

The quickest comparison would be the Nazi flag issue. How many threads were allowed to be open on that topic at a time? Not too many. The complaining parties were simply asked to do minumal research and post on the open and existing threads about the issue.

Yet anti-invader threads are coming at ad naseum. No offence, I totaly back your right to go against invaders. Just, it seems better to look at what has already been written on the issue in order to further the discussion. Sometimes gets to feel like we are simply stuck jump-starting the topic because we have to start afresh so often on the same topic.

Rightly called griefers by Imitora, these nations go around and disturb perfectly peaceful regions for their own twisted amusement. It is certainly not just to the nations who are being affected by this to leave their cries unanswered. In addition, making a UN Law is out of the picture, because not all nations are UN Members. For this, it should be NS Policy that no regional invasions should exist.

Nations In Favor:
Tiburon
Pilon

Nations Against:
The Sword and Shield
Cogitation

dude the only way that will happen is if you get together enough money to buy the game from Max,

Do I assume you refer to 40% of the natives, not the total pop of the region including invaders and in some cases defenders.

Another thing, if the invaders booted 39% in one pass, and a few days later another 39% of the natives, would that be considered over the 40% mark or not. The feeder regions, this 40% mark is quite a few nations.

If the invaders intend on staying, do they become native at some point?

Put me down for being against banning invasions. I would prefer to see invasions be restricted to those who choose to play invasions, but I am against banning invasions altogether. Not that it looks like that will happen (thanks rep), but I agree with Cog. Invasions are a great part of the game.

I am against. Invasions are my life.

do you guys realise how oldthis thread is?
but for what it's worth, i like invasions and defense missions too ;)

do you guys realise how oldthis thread is?
but for what it's worth, i like invasions and defense missions too ;)

You know how many people would quit? This isn't about peace, its about advertising max's books. Having all those people quit would be bad business.

I don't support region crashing/griefing, though I'll admit to crashing once or twice in the past, I don't think banning is the proper solution. I think all regions without founders should a)get one or b)put up a password.

-Brandon

Max and [violet] have both spoken on the subject, and so long as an invasion does not do the following things, they are considered a legal form of play:

-Ejecting a large number of natives (judged on a case-by-case scenario- 40% is a good meterstick for measuring it though)
-Spam/flood the regional message board and regional happening
-Take over by use of UN Multies
-Interfere with the natives' ability to come and go from the region as they please. (This includes kicking people out and leaving them on the ban list, passwording the region without giving the password to the natives, and the like.)

It's unlikely that the Powers That Be will change their minds on this.

~Evil Empress Rep Prod the Game Mod

I'd like to clarify a bit of this...

40% is a ROUGH estimate. In a region of 600, ejecting 50 could be considered griefing. It's relative.

And remember, it's about the Natives' ability to come and go as they please.

Anyone is free to invade my home region. Also if you do, let me know what that region is. I seem to have forgotten.

I don't agree with playing only the rules that you like. This is a nation simulation game, and invasion is part of life in a real nation (just ask Iraq). You already have plenty of tools to protect yourself. If you don't utilize them then I don't know what to tell you. You get what you deserve.