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Recently, the region of The Imperial Council took over a region called Zombie Paradise. But however, Ex-nations, the new delegate, passworded the region. The nation of The MOBTIW also "flooded" teh board with a specific message to clear the boards. I heard that password-protecting a nation that is conquored is griefing, and what MOBTIW did is spamming.

If this is griefing, can a mod deal with this?

Thanks,
Omz222

But however, Ex-nations, the new delegate, passworded the region. The nation of The MOBTIW also "flooded" teh board with a specific message to clear the boards. I heard that password-protecting a nation that is conquored is griefing, and what MOBTIW did is spamming. If this is griefing, can a mod deal with this?

The board spamming is griefing, the password only is if Ex-nations failed to provide the password to all the natives. Since Ex-nations left and declared the region 'dying' in the World Factbook Entry (without removing the password), I suspect the worst.

More importantly though, did you file a Mod report on this, using the Getting Help (http://www.nationstates.net/cgi-bin/index.cgi/page=help) page?

Ballotonia

I post the following observations without opinion or analysis:

Zombie Paradise

World Factbook Entry: Yes, this region has failed. It has become a victim of the mighty Imperial Council. All of you still active, go there, or just sit here in this dying region.

UN Delegate: None.

Zombie Paradise contains 5 nations. [List all nations]

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Regional Happenings

* 2 hours ago: The Republic of Ex-nations lost UN Delegate status.
* 15 hours ago: The People's Republic of The MOBTIW departed this region for The Imperial Council
* 15 hours ago: The Republic of Ex-nations password-protected the region.
* 15 hours ago: The Republic of Ex-nations updated the World Factbook entry.
* 1 day ago: The Republic of Ex-nations became the Regional UN Delegate.
* 1 day ago: The Republic of Ex-nations arrived from AAA Aliance.
* 1 day ago: The People's Republic of The MOBTIW arrived from AAA Aliance.
* 2 days ago: The Dictatorship of Korpergraf arrived from The West Pacific.
* 2 days ago: The Dominion of SprinkleDots arrived from The West Pacific.
* 8 days ago: The Democratic States of The Confederated Land departed this region for The West Pacific

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Zombie Paradise Civil Headquarters

Messages from regional members are co-ordinated here.

20 hours ago The People's Republic of The MOBTIW !Clearing the boards!
20 hours ago The People's Republic of The MOBTIW !Clearing the boards!
20 hours ago The People's Republic of The MOBTIW !Clearing the boards!
20 hours ago The People's Republic of The MOBTIW !Clearing the boards!
20 hours ago The People's Republic of The MOBTIW !Clearing the boards!
20 hours ago The People's Republic of The MOBTIW !Clearing the boards!
20 hours ago The People's Republic of The MOBTIW !Clearing the boards!
20 hours ago The People's Republic of The MOBTIW !Clearing the boards!
20 hours ago The People's Republic of The MOBTIW !Clearing the boards!
20 hours ago The People's Republic of The MOBTIW !Clearing the boards!

As observed by The Democratic States of Cogitation.

Looks perfectly harmless to me :twisted:

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Corinthe, Queen of Eternity.

Well, thanks for the info. I did think about whether report or not, but since they spammed the board, I reported it. I don't think Ex-nations gave the natives the password, as I am aware of the past actions by Imperial Council/Imperial Empire/New World Empire/whatever.

And yes, I've just filed the report earlier.

Yah, I don't see the problem with it, personally.

Yah, I don't see the problem with it, personally.

Actually I think it is griefing. Once I remember Rep Prod or Neut or whoever said that passwording the region without the "natives" knowing the password is griefing. That's how my friend Vi2o got deleted---he endorsed someone who password-portected the invaded region.

Also, I'm sure MOBTIW's "clearing boards" method is spamming. A mod mentioned about it a long time ago (about 2 months ago I believe).

Yah, I don't see the problem with it, personally.

Actually I think it is griefing. Once I remember Rep Prod or Neut or whoever said that passwording the region without the "natives" knowing the password is griefing. That's how my friend Vi2o got deleted---he endorsed someone who password-portected the invaded region.

Also, I'm sure MOBTIW's "clearing boards" method is spamming. A mod mentioned about it a long time ago (about 2 months ago I believe).

I know. I was only being sarcastic. It is definitely against the rules, but we don't know for sure ig he TG'd the natives and how many are ejected. Is it posted in the getting help section?

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Corinthe, Queen of Eternity.

Yeah, I've just filed a report earlier.

Yeah, I've just filed a report earlier.

Well, since the regio is not entirely empty, the mods have all the time of the world, do they?

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Corinthe, Queen of Eternity.

Well, thanks for the info. I did think about whether report or not, but since they spammed the board, I reported it. I don't think Ex-nations gave the natives the password, as I am aware of the past actions by Imperial Council/Imperial Empire/New World Empire/whatever.

And yes, I've just filed the report earlier.

Whoa! Whoa! Whoa!
the NWE have not griefed anyone! We occupy, leave, and always give out passwords. None of our nations have been deleted or threatened by the mods...ever. We are gamers and not bullies. Sorry for the tyrade.

Eshek

Well, thanks for the info. I did think about whether report or not, but since they spammed the board, I reported it. I don't think Ex-nations gave the natives the password, as I am aware of the past actions by Imperial Council/Imperial Empire/New World Empire/whatever.

And yes, I've just filed the report earlier.

Whoa! Whoa! Whoa!
the NWE have not griefed anyone! We occupy, leave, and always give out passwords. None of our nations have been deleted or threatened by the mods...ever. We are gamers and not bullies. Sorry for the tyrade.

Eshek
If thee NWE didn't griefed, then Sythia is giving it a bad name.

If thee NWE didn't griefed, then Sythia is giving it a bad name.

It is not Sythia, it is an imposter called Cyth1a.

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Corinthe, Queen of Eternity.

His name is SYTHlA, and we have made a name for ourselves that seems to be tarnished. We do have some members of the original Imperial Empire but we don't grief. Sythia is dead and so is the Imperial Empire. I can't speak for all region crashers, but the NWE are not griefers. Corinthe knows this already. We actually have a rather good relationship with some our "conquered" regions.

His name is SYTHlA, and we have made a name for ourselves that seems to be tarnished. We do have some members of the original Imperial Empire but we don't grief. Sythia is dead and so is the Imperial Empire. I can't speak for all region crashers, but the NWE are not griefers. Corinthe knows this already. We actually have a rather good relationship with some our "conquered" regions.

Yeah, and some day you will marry, and we are all invited on the party :twisted:


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Corinthe, Queen of Eternity.

Actually if you're in the Southeast US I am getting married in a couple of weeks. Wanna come? Oh I guess this is off topic.

And thanks for the sarcasm. It brightens my day everytime. :D

Actually if you're in the Southeast US I am getting married in a couple of weeks. Wanna come? Oh I guess this is off topic.

And thanks for the sarcasm. It brightens my day everytime. :D

You region crashers are people too :) Congratulations! :!:


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Corinthe, Queen of Eternity.

That was griefing, you can only flood the boards if you are the founder of the region..

LOL, they said the Imperial Council was might....thats a laugh :lol:

That was griefing, you can only flood the boards if you are the founder of the region..

I don't think a Founder has the right to spam his/her own region, at least that's my understanding of the rules. I recall someone getting a warning for doing that, and that was in a region with nothing but puppets of the founder! After discussion on that case, the warning wasn't retracted, AFAIK.

Ballotonia

When a founder states that he is clearing spam, it's one thing.

When a founder states that he is clearing spam, it's one thing.

So, a Founder may spam the Civil Headquarters board to clear other spam...

...as long as the Founder's spam message says that that is, indeed the purpose?

I'm just trying to make sure that this is clear to everyone (including myself; I'm still new to this Mod stuff).

--The Modified Democratic States of Cogitation

I thought we were told just the opposite. Now I'm really confused. An official ruling on the founder being able to clear spam would be appreciated.

When a founder states that he is clearing spam, it's one thing.

So, a Founder may spam the Civil Headquarters board to clear other spam...

...as long as the Founder's spam message says that that is, indeed the purpose?

I'm just trying to make sure that this is clear to everyone (including myself; I'm still new to this Mod stuff).

--The Modified Democratic States of Cogitation

You're learning every day. It is just common sense that you sometimes just clear the Civil Headquarters, as long as you do it like this:

clearing spam
clearing spam
clearing spam
clearing spam

It is a new rule, implemented a while ago. Believe me now, it saves time and work sometimes :wink:

The mods officiale rule is: "This is a grey area".

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Corinthe, Queen of Eternity.

The getting help section! (http://www.nationstates.net/cgi-bin/index.cgi/page=help) (for all your gaming problems) :)

You're learning every day. It is just common sense that you sometimes just clear the Civil Headquarters, as long as you do it like this:

No, that's NOT legal.

Clearing spam is spamming in and of itself. It has been ruled before that one might clear specifically anoying spam (like, really large stuff), but that this should be done only in exceptional cases.

To clear a normal messageboard while claiming it as 'clearing spam' is blatant abuse of the consideration the Mods have showed when they said they'd let it slide in the above exceptional cases.

Ballotonia

You're learning every day. It is just common sense that you sometimes just clear the Civil Headquarters, as long as you do it like this:

No, that's NOT legal.

Clearing spam is spamming in and of itself. It has been ruled before that one might clear specifically anoying spam (like, really large stuff), but that this should be done only in exceptional cases.

To clear a normal messageboard while claiming it as 'clearing spam' is blatant abuse of the consideration the Mods have showed when they said they'd let it slide in the above exceptional cases.

Ballotonia

I wasn't talking about normal messages. Just about abusive, offensive, sexual explicit end other devious stuff.


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Corinthe, Queen of Eternity.

The getting help section! (http://www.nationstates.net/cgi-bin/index.cgi/page=help) (for all your gaming problems) :)

This is exactly why I asked for an official ruling. Looks like I'm not the only one confused about this.

This is exactly why I asked for an official ruling. Looks like I'm not the only one confused about this.

"This is a grey area" is a quote of SalusaSecondus. There is nothing to be confused about 8)


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Corinthe, Queen of Eternity.

The getting help section! (http://www.nationstates.net/cgi-bin/index.cgi/page=help) (for all your gaming problems) :)

"This is a grey area" is a quote of SalusaSecondus. There is nothing to be confused about 8)

reference (http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=66254)

Ballotonia

"This is a grey area" is a quote of SalusaSecondus. There is nothing to be confused about 8)

reference (http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=66254)

Ballotonia

meaning?


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Corinthe, Queen of Eternity.

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I'm inclined to agree with Ballotonia, but Neut is confusing me.

As a NationStates Moderator, I'm going to say (for the moment) that all spam is illegal, even if it's Founder spam, so don't spam.

Now, I'm going to go get a clarification from the other mods about this, so sit tight and watch this topic for updates.

If anybody has any spam problems in the game, please use the Getting Help (http://www.nationstates.net/cgi-bin/index.cgi/page=help) page. If anybody has spam problems in the forums, please use the mod/alert signal.

--The Modified Democratic States of Cogitation
"Think about it for a moment."
NationStates Forum Moderator

Well, I'll see what's going on here. Spamming to clear a board is a grey area.

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SalusaSecondus
Tech Modling

I took a quote of the thread Ballotonia was refering to, since nobody took, me typing it, seriously.
When I have my Civil headquarters filled with dirty words, I file a complaint in the "getting help" section immediately. That takes too long. I simply scroll it away, clearly stating why I do it. There is a higher power than a mod saying, I should not let that stay there for everone to watch.

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Corinthe, Queen of Eternity.

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I reiterate my position. This is a grey area.

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SalusaSecondus
Tech Modling

I took a quote of the thread Ballotonia was refering to, since nobody took, me typing it, seriously.
When I have my Civil headquarters filled with dirty words, I file a complaint in the "getting help" section immediately. That takes too long. I simply scroll it away, clearly stating why I do it. There is a higher power than a mod saying, I should not let that stay there for everone to watch.

I sympathize with you, but I just don't want to see any nation deleted for doing what they thought was right (that is, by clearing terrible spam with not-so-bad spam).

I will try to get Neut (or some other GM) to clear this up as soon as possible.

Remember: What I said earlier is temporary and is designed to keep good players from getting deleted for spamming.

--The Modified Democratic States of Cogitation

Thanks for the post Cogitation, I'll wait patiently to hear from a Game Mod.