NationStates Jolt Archive

Recently, the region of Italy was griefed, and all nations were banished to the Rejected Realms. It was the re-established by the nation of Nowa Warszawa, who immediately planted a puppet there and left.

He's been toying around with his Founder powers, bullying, harassing and ejecting many of the nations that have returned to the region ever since. Italy has been through enough, and it doesn't need a tyrant stifling it on top of having been griefed.

Could a Mod please remove him from the Founder position?

Wait... how did he get founder status? Don't you mean delegate...
And yes I agree, he should be removed from power. He's irresponsible and no better than the griefers.

He means that after the region was greifed Nowa Warszawa re-founded it

Nowa Warswaza is ACC?
I'll tell them to kick him out.

Yep. He's ACC. But that's beside the point. In any case, he's dwelling in "The Rejected Realms" and pulling strings from afar, so there's nothing any nonmod can do about it.

It just doesn't seem right for a nation who moved to a region for a minute to recieve, as reward, absolute and eternal control of a region with serious name recognition.

Oh, you mean it was griefed and then left empty? Fair enough.
It was probably him that had it griefed in the first place :roll:

PART 1



You people have no idea what you are talking about. Maybe a little bit of history?

Italy is a normal nation with approx 20-30 nations, most of them inactive. Then the founder becomes bored with the region because nothing happens, and decides to eject every nation from the region. As mentionned in the game rules, founder griefings are LEGAL.

Loosing my own time in the Rejected Realms, I see that the Regional happenings are special: I see several nations comming from Italy. I look at what happens inside? Devoid of nations. I go to sleep. 6 in the morning I legally recreate this region.

PART 2

Latinum comes into the region, claiming that he wants to become a member of the ACC, claiming that he has a puppet nation in the Roman Empire. Then he begins to be more and more agressive, demanding even the founder's position. After barring the access to the regional control for safety purposes (to avoid an attack) he begins to be more and more agressive. He telegrammed every nation in the region to fight against me.

I have done nothing wrong, I even asked for suggestions for the World Factbook entry. Instead I received messages of hate from Latinum that demanded freedom for the Italian people. So I ejected Latinum because of his insolence, and debarred the command center.

PART 3

After these evenements there is a moment of peace. But not for long.

Latinum asks the Roman Empire to invade Italy and rule there today. I see my puppet nation ejected, password protection set and WFE changed. As founder I eject the delegate from the Roman Empire that performed such action.

He comes back, I don't know how. It is a mistery: he was on the ban list!
He returns and does the same: ejects Atlantic Embassy 1 sets password and changes WFE.

Now I just removed my nation from the ban list, changed the WFE and did not even eject the delegate. He wants to be there? Fine! He wants to play cat and mouse? Fine!

History stops here.

PART 4

As for Kandarin's behavior, it is just awful. I shall remember his type of actions. This is what he telegrammed to a citizen of Italy:



******* ******** please leave Italy. The only way for Nowa Warszawa, spy of the oppressive ACC, to be removed from Foundership is if the region ceases to exist and is re-established by someone else. I have a lot of experience with Nowa Warszawa, and he is not someone you want as Founder.

So basically he tried to remote control a fictive griefing? What is it?

Haven't you considered that the reason it's coming under attack so much is because of you? :roll:

They don't like me because of what? Because I like disciplin? When I was recreating the region I said that I would not even chat in the public board of Italy, that they were free to do whatever they pleased. I said I would eject spammers only. I was spammed with arrogance from a nation that just wanted power. I did nothing wrong.

I was trying to get people to leave so that the region would die without violating game rules.

In the name of..........?

PART 5

My puppet nation is ejected once more by the delegate I refuse to eject. Therefore I have no other choice than barring delegate access to the command center. The region belongs to the ACC and there is no rule I am disobeying. I know that Kandarin hate me and I hate Kandarin for his affiliation with the RR Army and Gres, but that's life.

In the name of..........?

Before I can answer that properly, I need to know something.

Why the vendetta? You've opposed me, Gres, and anyone affiliated with us for as long as I've known that you exist. I'd really like to know why, as(as far as I can remember) I've never done anything to you and this whole thing might be just some horrible misunderstanding.

In the beginning of my times I have been member of the Nation States Invasion Project. We were unsuccesful in invading Axis, because there was one traitor that telegrammed the delegate Nazi_Deutschland. Nazi_Deutschland ejected us all from his password protected region. This shocked the Founder of the project, Propaganda Troops. Nazi_Deutschland has been mysteriously deleted by the mods, and he seeked an answer to this question. In a sense we accomplished what we wanted just recently...

So basically after being ejected I found myself in the Rejected Realms. How nice! Gres was delegate and was beginning to recruit for the RRA. I was one of the first nations applying to join the RRA, if not the first. I auomatically criticised Gres for a big lack of disciplin and organisation, so I sent him the statut of the NSIP. I received no answer. After a while I telegrammed him, and his lack of organisation surprised me: he did not recall talking to me.

So basically that made me mad, because he simply ignored me as if he would never talk to me. I became an ennemy of Gres this very evening...

This is the history of N.W. in the beginning. I bagan to hate Gres and everything related to Gres and the RRA, including you. It was at this moment that I wanted to prevent the RRA of gaining control of the East Pacific: booted by Loop by mistake.

I will not argue who is a better delegate, you or me. You seem to consider me as "bad" and I don't even know why. The reason I don't like you is because you remind me Gres. It is true that overall you have done nothing wrong, like me (did I do something wrong?) But Gres and his Swiss flag constantly appear in front of my eyes like a demonic symbol.

Maybe it is a misunderstanding. Maybe our fight is not justified rationally.

But I remember words said by Gres: NoWa is a loser and will be a loser. NoWa will NEVER become delegate because he is just a loser. He is a failiure. Look at him: ejected from the East Pacific. What a loser. He will never be delegate of any region.

I will not surrender, Kandarin. Never, until I become delegate, a promise that I have made to myself, a promise that Gres laughed at insulting me.
It is a war. Kandarin. A war for the ACC (that I almost joined with my first nation in NS) and a war for the glory of my name.

You will fail with your plot to take over the RR.
If necessary, I'll enlist the help of The New Meritocracy to send nations into the RR to endorse Kandarin.

If I remember correctly, you sprung up in Europe after it was griefed, and began telegramming nations asking to trade endorsements. Then Schumania ejected you :lol:

I was in Europe only two days, because I have been in contact with a polish guy that became delegate of the RR accidently after the region has been massively griefed. I had no idea that becoming delegate in this region was almost a sin, so I left. Schumania never ejected me: I would be on the ban list. To prove this I will go to Europe and come back.

Don't invent bull****. I was never ejected by Schumania.

I would suggest not visiting Switzerland anytime soon. :D

No, seriously, if it gets to you that much, spend some time away from your computer. Go on a short vacation with your family. Read something you've been wanting to read for a long time. Anything that doesn't involve being Nowa Warszawa. I know I need a break from being Kandarin as well.

The reason I don't think you'd make a good delegate or founder is because of this disagreement; think about it from my perspective. You've approached me with a great deal of anger for as long as we've known each other existed. To me, this doesn't make you look very good.

I don't hate you, and I don't want you to hate me. If I had my way, the ACC and RRA would just ignore each other instead of this endless cold war.

Even if new meritocracy goes to the RR to endorse Kandain, even if the RRA goes to the RR to endorse Kandarin I will not cease to want the delegate chair. I made a promise and I realise it.

My mistake. But it came close to it.

Clicky (http://www.schloideroiter.de/schumania/forum/viewtopic.php?t=976&start=0)

how do I get a forum like that for my region?

Yep. He's ACC. But that's beside the point. In any case, he's dwelling in "The Rejected Realms" and pulling strings from afar, so there's nothing any nonmod can do about it.


Hey guys,

I finally have to step in here since no-one else has and this is almost a firestorm out of control. Nowa is not on our members list in ACC. He does not have anything to do with ACC policy and is a resident of the Rejected Realms. Some of our high command have had IRL issues or they would have addressed this by now. I am but a soldier in the Atlantic but I remember Commander Accelsior NOT accepting Nowa as an ACC member and he is NOT on the list. The actions we take are carefully considered and griefing is not a part of our policy. We are a disciplined group with values.

I may be wrong or may not be in the loop at some level but I'm active enough to know that for the past several weeks we have worked hard to rehabilitate the name of Atlantic Central Command and have turned from the ways of our previous ex-leader Louldamin.

Kandarin, You have been welcome on our boards and I believe we have at least planted the seeds of detente in recent weeks with regard to relations with the Rejected Realms. Let's not endanger that with this squabble which until and unless my superiors correct me, should be considered an internal Rejected Realms affair.

Nowa, Until and unless you receive confirmation from our leaders stop doing things in our name. If I'm wrong you may have my head, if I'm right I'll still have my region intact and it's name beyond reproach.

Siwenna Prime.

Atlantic Central Command.

I really find this a facsinating read, and I encourage you to continue.

That said, is this still a mod issue? I would be surpised if it were, but again, don't stop on my account.

Who the hell is Siwenna and why this nation is now an ex-nation?

Siwenna, who are you to talk in the name of the ACC? You're just a soldier!!

No it is not a mod issue.

1) Siwenna is your COMRADE, Nowa!
2) Who are you to say that to Siwenna? You're just a soldier yourself.
3) I may be wrong, but if I remember correctly the circumstances concerning your membership in the Atlantic are highly suspect to begin with.

Nowa is a soldier. Nowa is not an officer of the Atlantic. The actions of Nowa, no matter what you may think of them, be it good or bad, do not necessarily reflect the actions or opinion of the Atlantic.

Nowa, I am from a different region than you (Land of Beer and Skittles if anyone would be so kind as to send a nation with a humorous flag and motto here, brand new is fine) so I am asking you as a comrade to please be less rash in your evocations of the Atlantic while emerged in your own personal jihad.

Please excuse the intrusion, but until we can get the Officers to come here and check this out, nothing is being done in the ACC's Name the only ones to call the ACC to action is, and always will be the Officers, I ask the you all step back a moment and consider what is said here, and know this Solider Sweinna is not an ex nation, I will be brining this stream to the attention of the Highest Officer in the ACC at this time, and do not think that with the absence of the Supreme Commander or a few others that the ACC is not still operational, we are still doing our jobs at the present time and will do so. and in the command structure of the ACC are you not also a Solider NW?

Thank you for reading this,

Lt. LadyRebels

Yes I am a soldier (for now). It has been discussed with the Supreme Commander that I am in the ACC and I have no idea why Siwenna as a soldier speaks against me in the name of ACC.

and know this Solider Sweinna is not an ex nation




I may misunderstand, but sorry I believe that Sweinna is an ex-nation.

Hmmmmmmmm

Siwenna
Ex-nation

1) Siwenna is my comrade, I have discovered this recently. he must be new, or something, because I have not been on the forum for a while...

2) Yes I am also a soldier but I do not talk in the name of the ACC having no idea of what I am talking about.

3) The Forum admin thought I was a spy for the RRA... :roll: But then the Supreme Commander clearly said I was in the ACC.

1) Siwenna is my comrade, I have discovered this recently. he must be new, or something, because I have not been on the forum for a while...

Siwenna's a moderately active person on CommNet; mostly in the Mess Hall however.

2) Yes I am also a soldier but I do not talk in the name of the ACC having no idea of what I am talking about.

Your placeholder in Italy has the Atlantic flag, motto and even has the Atlantic as part of its name. You also included the Atlantic in Italy's factbook entry.

On the other hand, you asked the denizens to contribute a factbook entry themselves.

Still "A war for the ACC (that I almost joined with my first nation in NS) and a war for the glory of my name" sounds like you have a personal score to settle.

3) The Forum admin thought I was a spy for the RRA... :roll: But then the Supreme Commander clearly said I was in the ACC.

Yes, there was some circumstantial evidence linking you to the RRA at the time. However, you were eventually cleared as an obvious enemy of the RRA. And how.

sounds like you have a personal score to settle.
Of course! Joining an army is always a sign of ambition.

My placeholder in Italy will remain unchanged, since it was created to avoid the region being devoid of nations. Italy however is now cleared of ACC's sign of presence. I decided to even forgive my opressor by unbanning him for the second time. I'm too christian for'em.

sounds like you have a personal score to settle.
Of course! Joining an army is always a sign of ambition.

But it's not fully good you're fighting a personal jihad in the name of the Atlantic. It appears to others that are trying to jip the Atlantic because you're only trying to get it to use its manpower to help you out in the attempt.

On the other hand, because of your late comments in the Atlantic's ever-famous "Mess Hall", this whole thread is practically a non-issue.

Yes, since I am dead.... :?

and know this Solider Sweinna is not an ex nation


I may misunderstand, but sorry I believe that Sweinna is an ex-nation.

The Nation of Siwenna Prime is alive and well. The Ex-nation status was an abberation of posting.

As for you Nowa. Your gifts are too poisoned for us to use. I may pay the price for that but that is a soldier's duty. The storm gathered and you become nothing more than a badly grounded lightning rod. What you have collected for the ACC is enmity, on a grand scale.

As for my own low profile of late, most of my posts are of a PM nature and I've been highly active in developing other regions. I am very well established and my rank of Solidier belies my true standing in the ALL MACTO scheme of things. But we work with regions, not grief them or subdugate them. Your way is not our way. We are not the ACC of the Louldamin era.

You had your sights only on the RRA and having Gres's head on a pike. The ACC was never more to you than a means to that end. (I've seen your posts and you know this is true.)

Da Loong Hwoa (Since you mocked it, it is Mandarin for "Fire Dragon")
And that fire got the ACC free and clear of you. A good thing whether or not I perish as a result. :evil:

This is my final post on the matter.

A Loyal Soldier.

Italy is Free, I invite all of her natives to return to the Lovely Spiked Heel GoGo boot of Europe.

I'll talk to Accelsior about NW...

Boy, you sure did have a tantrum, Nowa. Like New People said, all because one person your own wasn't getting along with you?

Myrth, it's been a while since the last time you started hanging around the Atlantic. It's always good to see you around. You should maybe consider actually registering to CommNet.

I speak as a minister and former commander of the ACC, as well as one of the three people who can authorize troop movements, when I say that:
1. Nowa is in the ACC.
2. Nowa did not act in the case of Italy on ACC orders.
3. The case of Italy re-building Italy as a region supports current ACC policy.
4. The New Meritocracy is an ally of the ACC and will not fight against the ACC.
5. Kandarin has stated that he hates the ACC and Nowa.
6. Bullying Italy does not not support ACC policy.
7. It is not clear to us that Nowa has "bullied" Italy, his actions to date appear legal and moral.

Boy, you sure did have a tantrum, Nowa. Like New People said, all because one person your own wasn't getting along with you?

Myrth, it's been a while since the last time you started hanging around the Atlantic. It's always good to see you around. You should maybe consider actually registering to CommNet.


As I recall, Myrth was only a griefer on the AAC boards... unless he was a plant, and being dishonest in the Mess Hall.

Yeah on the old proboards forum they had it was easy enough to get the passwords.

Somebody cares?

Wow. Big deal. Italy is now a biiig region worth arguing for 3 hours about.

Just to remind you that Nowa Warszawa will die in 2 days due to inactivity....

good riddance :P

You seem not to have known Nowa Warszawa.... :roll:

Poor you.

i think he bothered us in europe once..

but im not quite sure...but i do know i heard the name before

Heya, concerning Nowa. Look at the public board of Atlantic :wink:

He has stirred quite a mess there :lol:

lol, I saw this and thought it was a new topic, lol, but it isnt, just old news, I hear Italy is having a hard time recovering since Nowa griefed it, and I noticed it was almost invaded recently by Polska, I find this interesting as Nowa was a "Polish" nation, perhaps he is trying to retake his lost prize?
if Fiat listned to me and kept it locked down tight he/she/it, should have no problem, and it looks like he/she /it is.