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Since there's a metric ass-tonne of OOC chatter going on over on what I thought would be a simple communication/announcement thread, I'm starting this to handle any OOC debates or arguments.

Please, anyone involved in the RP regarding the TRIAD embargo, bring all OOC discussion over here.

Sorry TRIAD. lol. I seem to attract problems...

It's alright Sutu, just a friendly word of advice. Like OG said, you need to build up your RP reputation before making claims to infiltrating someone or knowing something about someone. Your submarine in Eluneyasa's thread is good work so far. Your spies at the GA summit are another good step. But don't assume you know much about anyone until you have at least a thread or two prior interaction (or OOC permission).

Yeah. I realise I've jumped the gun acouple of times, IE... Most recently. I also plan on deploying non-stealth ships around to draw eyes of looking for my stealth ships... The fact their designed different should help also. (Most of the starship art I post is made by me in Paint.)

Try selecting a small number of targets to get things started Sutu. Contact the player OOCly and let them know what you want to do. If they give the go-ahead, start a thread (or have them start it first). Play the thread out till it's conclusion, then negotiate OOCly with the player to determine what your people learned from the encounter.

It takes time, yes, but it's the best way to build your RP reputation and let you get away with crazy shit down the road.

Yeah. I realise I've jumped the gun acouple of times, IE... Most recently. I also plan on deploying non-stealth ships around to draw eyes of looking for my stealth ships... The fact their designed different should help also. (Most of the starship art I post is made by me in Paint.)
BTW. Stealth and space don't usually mix well. One reason: engine plumes. People can track the energy released from the engines even if you're cloaked and hit you using that. And then there's the fact that ships will always be warmer than space itself, which presents its own problems.

While there are likely ways to challenge that (hint: space has far, far less friction than things on a planet does, even inside nebulas) I would recommend doing some IC research before you start claiming stealth or cloaks. Or maybe just buy said stealth or cloak technologies from someone. Either way works.

BTW. Stealth and space don't usually mix well. One reason: engine plumes. People can track the energy released from the engines even if you're cloaked and hit you using that. And then there's the fact that ships will always be warmer than space itself, which presents its own problems.

That's why I based my faction around frictionless drives based around Gravity. While that presents it's own inherent problems, many factions don't have the gravitic sensors required to pick up the drives.

However, I'm trying to play my Stealth ships as if they were WW2 Uboats, facing enemy destroyers. Either you have sonar (Gravitic detection devices.) or you don't. There are a couple much more harder ways to detect the ships, (spotting the "Ripple" effect of the lightbending apparatus, which would be akin to spotting the Periscope in the water.) but overall no one seems to listen even while I list off lengthy explanations and tell them exactly how to spot and destroy my ships. As well as every last crippling problem with my ships...

So, I don't particularly know what to do about that. I have multiple other ideas of course for ships. But I liked my original idea for my ships... While the second idea would be just as effective, it wouldn't be so much on the "Down low".

There are only two ways to get away with stealth in space. The realistic method is to swallow up all emissions that can give you away (hull materials that do not reflect EM emissions, internal heat sinks to deal with temperature), and use some form of reactionless drive that does not emit any kind of energy (even gravitic drives can be detected by grav-sensors). You can still be seen by anyone looking out a window, or if you happen to pass between a distant star and someone looking (Stellar occlusion sensors watch for this sort of thing).

The other method is with handwavium cloaking devices. Klingons, Romulans, certain SW races, etc all have these devices. How do they work? Noone has yet to come up with a reasonable explaination that doesn't defy at least one or two laws of thermodynamics or newton. If you're going to just handwave it, and if whoever you're roleplaying with accepts that, then you're okay.

Just remember, no matter what kind of 'stealth' you cook up, someone will eventually figure out a way to detect you, especially in FT nationstates.

Of course, what fun would it be if you -weren't- detected? As I said, german Uboats. They were scary, they were effective... HTey attacked suddenly, or they were spotted... Once htey fire the first torpedo spread they were running a thin line on "Will we live or die"?

A certain German Submarine Commander/Admiral/somebody once said; "If it was one destroyer and one submarine, your had a chance. But if it was two destroyers and once submarine, you were doomed."

While I do not of course support Nazism, I must say that Germans were in fact some tactical geniuses or they would not have gotten to the point where they were. Thankfully, we won out in the end.

Can somebody please tell me what the heck is going on? I'd like to know before I get into anything at all, and frankly, OG never told me and I can't make heads or tails of the chatter in the threads.

Here's (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=14738107&postcount=16) a brief description of what happened.

OOCly I was just trying to stir up trouble diplomaticly, and found OG to be a good and plausible excuse to do just that. Unfortunately he didn't take the bait, but Romandeos (someone who TRIAD does want trade with) pressured TRIAD to back down and lift the embargo right away. *pout*

Here's (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=14738107&postcount=16) a brief description of what happened.

OOCly I was just trying to stir up trouble diplomaticly, and found OG to be a good and plausible excuse to do just that. Unfortunately he didn't take the bait, but Romandeos (someone who TRIAD does want trade with) pressured TRIAD to back down and lift the embargo right away. *pout*

Yeah....about that. While your intent is good, I won't lie--I think some people could consider what you attempted to do a form of trolling, especially when they're players who might have never known your nation existed ICly before. Just a heads-up for future reference.

Trolling? Little extreme interpretation, I'd have to say. It was misguided and badly planned, but there's hardly any malice behind it.

I'll grant you this. TRIAD's move was out of the blue, and in retrospect probably heavy handed. Yes, the actual embargo was an attempt to get a political reaction, but the IC sentiment is the same and still remains.

TRIAD has had AI citizen shareholders for years, and has considered any nation with an outright ban on AI as a hostile nation. This follows not only for my short time here on NS, but the eight years I have been using TRIAD on other RP-forums.

In any event, I want to leave the Embargo thread open for anyone else to comment or react to the events. Do kind of whish Romandeos hadn't pressured us quite so soon.

It was a great attempt at a political reaction. Honestly had we had real contact before, and it was a thread of characters and not simple declarations it would have been more fun.

National declaration threads are the worst kind in my opinion. No story, no arc, just boring details.

In any event, since your nation had never had contact with mine, it made it hard for my nation to really care. An alien race not wanting contact with the Colonies, generally is a cause of celebration, not anger. IN any event you do seem like a good player, and I would like to have a real character thread with you at some point, once I finish off a few threads I am already in.

OG

I appreciate the comments and praise OG. Honestly, I had intended to expand and flesh out this story, but Romandeos managed to issue a thread that TRIAD *had* to take seriously. He threatened to hurt TRIAD's wallets.

Ah well, when the both of us are less busy on other fronts, we can expand on this any time you wish.

I appreciate the comments and praise OG. Honestly, I had intended to expand and flesh out this story, but Romandeos managed to issue a thread that TRIAD *had* to take seriously. He threatened to hurt TRIAD's wallets.

Ah well, when the both of us are less busy on other fronts, we can expand on this any time you wish.

I too, would like to do something later on with this, despite my initial hostility to this little episode.

Considering how ICly my nation, in a strange "one country two systems" sorta manner, does utilize rather sophisticated AI and semi-sentient computing technologies for civil and military use, it might make for some interesting economic/digital brinkmanship. Or profitable ventures. I'm up for anything really, as long as its in later May, after some RL business. And, ICly, I am part of the United Colonies of Kobol--an arrangement fit for any number of Shakespearean Political Intrigues.

Well Dornalia, TRIAD sent you the co-ords to the Profitable Ventures' system, so you can always send a ship to go out and meet us.
For now I'm mainly going to either let the Embargo thread fade, or else use it for Colonial/TRIAD relations and reactions down the road.