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Official Government Announcement.

The Anghele Government has contracted the building of a new 510.150 sq km fortification in NewPraetoria.It will be used as a last stance of defense against foreign invaders with several fortified underground levels and an undisclosed number of ground levels.
Ground level defenses will be placed,comprising of anti-aircraft batteries,radars,armoured veihicles,rocket launchers and other equipment and several airports filled with multirole fighters,interceptors,bombers and helicopters and so on. It will be capable of withstanding nuclear and chemical attacks,and prolongued conventional warfare bombings.
It will be essentially,a self-suficient multi level,gigantic city with everthing mankind may need to survive.

The underground levels will be divided into several areas and each one can be sealed shut by heavily armoured doors in case of invasion.Several armouries will be present inside each level,so that in case of extreme survival,all citizens may be armed to repell the invaders and armoured veihicles will be present inside the city.

More than twenty five million soldiers have been recruited to defend the fortification.

No further information shall be disclosed due to security reasons.

Official Government Announcement.

We wish to announce that we have several defense satellites placed in a geostationary orbit.

Also,Anghele Army has commenced a stockpile of weapons.

Right, 25 million soldiers in one base... How big is your military? Answer carefully my friend.

Moving on, how does it magically resist nuclear blasts? If it's all underground the structure would be so honeycombed at this scale it wouldn't withstand a nuking anyway.

"510.150 sq km", is that 510,150 km2 or 510 [POINT] 15 km2?

Now that I think about it I severely doubt such a project could be funded at all.

Notice how I've completely jumped passed why on earth you'd think this would give you any sort of tactical advantage.

Right, 25 million soldiers in one base... How big is your military? Answer carefully my friend.

Moving on, how does it magically resist nuclear blasts? If it's all underground the structure would be so honeycombed at this scale it wouldn't withstand a nuking anyway.

"510.150 sq km", is that 510,150 km2 or 510 [POINT] 15 km2?

Now that I think about it I severely doubt such a project could be funded at all.

Notice how I've completely jumped passed why on earth you'd think this would give you any sort of tactical advantage.

Yes,we have a big military,so?

I see that you missed the part that I won´t state anything else because it´s classified.I don´t have to explain you anything.

The Wolf Hold has an entire city made as a fortress.This is NS,so anything is possible,if you can build super tall buildings and high-tech weapons better than RL,than I can build this too.

Yes I do have a city fortress, also Hryvatia are your forgetting this is NS where single nations have populations greater then the full population of RL earth? The levels of funding on NS are much larger then anything in RL, also is his idea completly un-realistic? Is it so un-fair to be called god-modding? I personally don't think it is.

Also he could fund it through the multitude in trillions he pulls in off the MAC storefront, frankly the amount of money he pulls of that could fund this project and much more.

Yes,we have a big military,so?

That depends how big, I have a hunch you can't support it.

I see that you missed the part that I won´t state anything else because it´s classified.I don´t have to explain you anything.

Yes you do unless you want to be ignored by every sane player. "Classified" doesn't have any say on OOC chatter, as OOC info ≠ IC intel. You cannot godmod and try and get away with it by saying that it's "classified".

The Wolf Hold has an entire city made as a fortress.

Two wrongs doesn't make a right.

This is NS,so anything is possible,if you can build super tall buildings and high-tech weapons better than RL,than I can build this too.

No, it's not. MT [Modern Technology] is a tech-space. Laser guns, for example, aren't feasible in this tech-space because they aren't in real life. If you want lulzy things that make no sense at all I suggest you look at Fantasy or Future tech spaces, although there are limits in these circles as well.

Kindly read the stickies (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=543994) as it is obvious you have not yet. Apparently no-one does any more.

Yes I do have a city fortress, also Hryvatia are your forgetting this is NS where single nations have populations greater then the full population of RL earth?

China, which has a population comparable to some NS nations (with Anghele only being 46% larger) does not build city fortresses because to be blunt it's a terrible idea for reasons stated before.

The levels of funding on NS are much larger then anything in RL, also is his idea completly un-realistic? Is it so un-fair to be called god-modding? I personally don't think it is.

I do. Again it's relative. Levels of funding per capita on NS are often lower than many nations in real life.

Also he could fund it through the multitude in trillions he pulls in off the MAC storefront, frankly the amount of money he pulls of that could fund this project and much more.

MAC is a defence contractor. It's a private company. Why on earth would it blow its profits on this? It's not even got anything to do with them :/

Also he could fund it through the multitude in trillions he pulls in off the MAC storefront, frankly the amount of money he pulls of that could fund this project and much more.

And then there's the bake sales....

Also he could fund it through the multitude in trillions he pulls in off the MAC storefront, frankly the amount of money he pulls of that could fund this project and much more.

OOC: He really doesn't make all that much. And of his earnings, only a small percentage is profits and of that only a very small amount can just be thrown willy-nilly into projects like this.

OOC: He really doesn't make all that much. And of his earnings, only a small percentage is profits and of that only a very small amount can just be thrown willy-nilly into projects like this.

OOC: Read the pages on my storefront before you come here.

OOC: Read the pages on my storefront before you come here.

OOC: You claim to have a budget of $33 trillion and a value of $99 trillion. Do you have anything to back those numbers up though?

OOC: Oh, for Pete's sake, so he's building a really big fort on his territory and loading it up with conscripts. Not the end of the world

OOC: Oh, for Pete's sake, so he's building a really big fort on his territory and loading it up with conscripts. Not the end of the world

[OOC: Oh my god, thank you. If he wishes to blow his economy on a massive fort, fine by me. If you listened to him earlier and did some research, he is basically making it because his troops have been pushed back into this area.

All though it may not be the greatest idea, it doesn't mean you should gear up and nit pick the hell out of him.]

OOC: And, to be technical, he's claiming that. This could be IC cover for some secret project. As for M.A.C.'s budget, since it seems to dominate the government of Anghele, I assume it's heavily subsidized and can thus get away with 'moeny is no object' stunts - like its discounts, its donations of equipment, etc.

Anghele, TG.

ooc not like they say it can't be attacked and blown up

OOC: He really doesn't make all that much. And of his earnings, only a small percentage is profits and of that only a very small amount can just be thrown willy-nilly into projects like this.

OOC: You claim to have a budget of $33 trillion and a value of $99 trillion. Do you have anything to back those numbers up though?

OOC:Various multi-trillion dollar donations made by the Anghele Government,purchases of stocks of other companies,donations made by other companies and governments,sales,etc.

ooc not like they say it can't be attacked and blown up

Yes he did.

It will be capable of withstanding nuclear and chemical attacks,and prolongued conventional warfare bombings.

[OOC: Oh my god, thank you. If he wishes to blow his economy on a massive fort, fine by me. If you listened to him earlier and did some research, he is basically making it because his troops have been pushed back into this area.

All though it may not be the greatest idea, it doesn't mean you should gear up and nit pick the hell out of him.]

OOC:My troops haven´t been pushed anywhere.

Yes he did.

OOC:I see that you don´t understand english very well,I said prolongued,not infinite.

OOC:Various multi-trillion dollar donations made by the Anghele Government,purchases of stocks of other companies,donations made by other companies and governments,sales,etc.

OOC: So, do you have actual numbers to support that, or are we just supposed to take your work that you're not cooking the books?

OOC: So, do you have actual numbers to support that, or are we just supposed to take your work that you're not cooking the books?

OOC: I don´t have to prove you anything but oh well.

You realize that M.A.C is owned by various other corporations?And that we have a lot of equipment in stock?Very pricy equipment?

If you want proof,read all the pages of the storefront.All of them.

OOC:I see that you don´t understand english very well,I said prolongued,not infinite.

You said "prolonged conventional", but simply claimed it could withstand nuclear attacks.

Now I'm actually here to help, because everyone in their right mind would probably ignore this. In an attempt to be more helpful and less negative, have you actually read the stickies (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=543994)? I'm on somewhat of a sticky crusade tonight if you will, because there seems to be a lapse in quality here lately.

In particular you may want to focus on the logistical articles in this (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=13242837&postcount=4) section. All newbies are required to read the stickies, so if you haven't or are ignoring them I'd suggest rethinking your position.

To everyone else, if he doesn't want me posting here he just has to say so.

Official Government Announcement.

We wish to announce that the entire military computer network is being updated with a newly created anti-virus programme.

And also,that The Wolf Hold Navy have been invited to a joint military exercise with Anghele.

Confirming Anouncement

We wish to confirm that statement incase any nation doubts the claim. As of the moment of this message the ships destined for the exercise have left Port Palla Naval Base and should arrive in all due time.

I just love how members call other members: who have been here longer, have a larger post count, have been in several active storefronts/rps; noobs. :rolleyes:(though I do admit this is fairly noob worthy in some aspects at least she/he/it isn't claiming that it will be invisible against all attacks or is declaring war against nations several times its own size.

To: Anghele
While we don't really see why you need the fort as far as we know you have no outright enemies, have not been threatened with the levels required for this kind of semi-desperate maneuver, we would be willing to offer our services in construction in helping constructing at least part of the fort.

OOC: Anghele, TG.

I just love how members call other members" who have been here longer, have a larger post count, have been in several active storefronts/rps; noobs. :rolleyes:

OOC: I just love how some members don't know that some other members have actually been here a very long time but just have a newer puppet that they post under nowadays.

OOC: Replied.

I just love how members call other members" who have been here longer, have a larger post count, have been in several active storefronts/rps; noobs. :rolleyes:

To: Anghele
While we don't really see why you need the fort, we would be willing to offer our services in constructing at least part of it.

Official Government Announcement.

We gladly accept all the help and donations given to fund and build this project.

Thank you.

To: Goverment Of Anghele
From: Martin Kingsford, CEO of Wolverine Heavy Industries
Subject: Fortress Construction
Encryption Level: Magenta (Highest)

We have heard of your endeavour to create a fortified military base. We have been responsible for constructing the majority of the defensive works inside The Wolf Hold and have vast experiance in the matter of Fortress Construction, we wish to offer our servies to your goverment. For a fee ofcourse.

Heavily Encrypted Look Incorporated Message to Anghele

Look Incorporated is interested in helping construct a part of this enormous fort. We see plenty of potential in it and is also willing to invest a sum of 1.2 trillion NSD into the project. The only thing we ask in return is making things "easier" for Look Incorporated to do business in Anghele.

Heavily Encrypted Look Incorporated Message to Anghele

Look Incorporated is interested in helping construct a part of this enormous fort. We see plenty of potential in it and is also willing to invest a sum of 1.2 trillion NSD into the project. The only thing we ask in return is making things "easier" for Look Incorporated to do business in Anghele.

To: Goverment Of Anghele
From: Martin Kingsford, CEO of Wolverine Heavy Industries
Subject: Fortress Construction
Encryption Level: Magenta (Highest)

We have heard of your endeavour to create a fortified military base. We have been responsible for constructing the majority of the defensive works inside The Wolf Hold and have vast experiance in the matter of Fortress Construction, we wish to offer our servies to your goverment. For a fee ofcourse.

Official Government Announcement.

We thank you for all the help given.

Wolverine Heavy Industries,if possible,we will pay you after the build is finished.

Also,we will make sure that Look Incorporated is one of the most rewarded companies for doing business with Anghele.

Thank you.

To everyone else, if he doesn't want me posting here he just has to say so.

He has said so, by posting a thread in Moderation (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=14688807#post14688807) complaining about your intervention. Your advice is not required here. Please leave the thread.

Ardchoille, I really must protest here. Hryvatia's points are all very valid and his posts seem friendly and informative to me -- it's compounded by the fact that all he is doing really is asking Anghele to do some research before he posts and read the stickies. Just because Anghele claims that his posts are spam does not make it so.

As you'll see if you check the Moderation thread (link in earlier post), I've recognised Hyvatia's good intentions and have not penalised him in any way.

The place to contest mod decisions is the Moderation forum.

*shrugs* Sorry. Anghele seems to be running to Moderation for the smallest things nowadays, and it's getting very irritating. Perhaps listening to the advice he's given...?

Either way, thanks for clarifying.

ooc: btw nice ignore Anghele, I guess Allanea has your gov on puppet strings. But oh well if that's how its going to be.

Ardchoille, I really must protest here. Hryvatia's points are all very valid and his posts seem friendly and informative to me -- it's compounded by the fact that all he is doing really is asking Anghele to do some research before he posts and read the stickies. Just because Anghele claims that his posts are spam does not make it so.

I believe that a nation should be left alone and to be able to make decisions on it's own without any interference, intervention or medelling in another nations internal affairs. I also believe a nation or a group of Millitary alliance should not be allowed to force their will upon others or in anyway try to world police and if no nations fall for your demands, then a threat is issued such as in the thread in the Declaration of intentions against Anghele.

I believe that a nation should be left alone and to be able to make decisions on it's own without any interference, intervention or medelling in another nations internal affairs. I also believe a nation or a group of Millitary alliance should not be allowed to force their will upon others or in anyway try to world police and if no nations fall for your demands, then a threat is issued such as in the thread in the Declaration of intentions against Anghele.

OOC: Uh...that's your response to an OOC dispute?

OOC: Uh...that's your response to an OOC dispute?

OOC: What response did you expect from me??

OOC: What response did you expect from me??

OOC: Okay, I think maybe I should give you a rundown on what just happened.

1. Ang announces some giant military complex (IC)
2. Hryv offers advice/criticism (OOC)
3. Ang reports it to the mods (OOC)
4. They ask Hryv to leave (OOC)
5. Lei tells the mod that he doesn't think Hryv did anything wrong (OOC)
6. You making a seemingly IC "SOVEREIGNTY D:<" post in response

See how that's confusing?

OOC: Okay, I think maybe I should give you a rundown on what just happened.

1. Ang announces some giant military complex (IC)
2. Hryv offers advice/criticism (OOC)
3. Ang reports it to the mods (OOC)
4. They ask Hryv to leave (OOC)
5. Lei tells the mod that he doesn't think Hryv did anything wrong (OOC)
6. You making a seemingly IC "SOVEREIGNTY D:<" post in response

See how that's confusing?

OOC: I see where your comming from now and therefore i will stay out of this thread.

Official Government Announcement.

The Anghele Government has contracted the building of a new 510.150 sq km fortification in NewPraetoria.It will be used as a last stance of defense against foreign invaders with several fortified underground levels and an undisclosed number of ground levels.
Ground level defenses will be placed,comprising of anti-aircraft batteries,radars,armoured veihicles,rocket launchers and other equipment and several airports filled with multirole fighters,interceptors,bombers and helicopters and so on. It will be capable of withstanding nuclear and chemical attacks,and prolongued conventional warfare bombings.
It will be essentially,a self-suficient multi level,gigantic city with everthing mankind may need to survive.

The underground levels will be divided into several areas and each one can be sealed shut by heavily armoured doors in case of invasion.Several armouries will be present inside each level,so that in case of extreme survival,all citizens may be armed to repell the invaders and armoured veihicles will be present inside the city.

More than twenty five million soldiers have been recruited to defend the fortification.

No further information shall be disclosed due to security reasons.


OOC: Congrats dude, you just tied up 25 million men in a giant fixed fortication. Are you by chance french? Because they tried this. Know what happened? The Germans (OMG SPOILER ALERT) went around it and utterly destroyed the rest of the French military. It was so fast, most historians don't even seperate the Battle of France into the different engagements.

Now on to this fortress of yours. Yes you have air support, anti-air defense built in, but at the end of the day, aircraft do not hold ground, the grunts do. So all you've done is consolidated them. All I would need to do is destroy this things air wing and cripple your AA support. Then, move on to your artillery. I wouldn't need more than say 200-300 thousand group troops because my air campaign would have your 25 million men pinned inside of the walls. Then I simplely wait and launch a multi-year rolling thunder style bombing campaign, while your men slowly starve because I cut your supply lines.

Eventually, you either try to break out, but your massive forces can't move fast enough out of the fortress, because your gates are too small to fit very many men though at a time. Your "impregnible walls become chokepoints. Your men died by the tens maybe hundreds of thousands, maybe getting a chance when we run out of ammo.

Well you'll just call for reinforcements, right? With 25 million people deployed here, and going by the .05% suggestion(Its accepted that anything more than 1 or 2% would murder your economy.) that's a third of your military in one spot. If you have just Army, Navy, Air Force, and make them equally sized, that means you have your entire Army plus half a million airforce personel.

'They claim the fortress will be twenty five times the size of the Hellespontos Defense Wall and will be manned by twice as many men as we have in our entire armed forces.' General Polosh dictated statistics from a ledger. The Aumanii Overlord, Sheikh Navarrone, was scanning his copy of the statistical analysis that was prepared for the General Staff on the subject of Anghele's alleged new fortress.

'While our intelligence on Anghele is limited, we can draw from common sense that this project is impossible. With our own resources, it would be difficult to construct such an installation, let alone effectively crew it. Logistics would also be troublesome.' Polosh continued with his own opinions.

Navarrone spoke out, saying 'Combine that with the fact that they feel it necessary to announce this station to the world? It's saber rattling, a cry for attention. You also have to wonder why they'd waste the time and money on something like this, when a developing nation such as themselves could better use the money on investing in their infrastructure.'

'Anghele is a paper tiger. This doesn't even warrant a response of any kind. What's next on the agenda, General Polosh?' Asked Navarrone.

'There has been a proposal in the Senate to change the name of the Allanean pastry, "Furry Fudge Claws", to "Liberty Scones"' Said Polosh, trying to conceal a smile. Everyone burst into laughter.

Snip

OOC: There is no space station. This is MT. A clue might be the references to underground levels. There is not ground in space, therefore, nothing can be under it.

OOC:

Can't I have my fun too? >=\ I'll edit the damn thing... I remember when I was a new nation, everyone was FT. Back in the old days, the all or nothin' days.

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The Ministry of Foreign Affairs.
The Pacifican Commonwealth.

To: The Anghele Government.
From: Acting Foreign Minister Katherine Hayden, Pacifican Commonwealth.
Subject: Defensive complex in Anghele.

Dear all,

The Government of the Pacifican Commonwealth seriously criticises the Anghelian defensive complex which will be used as a 'last stand against foreign invaders'. While the Commonwealth does understand that the Anghele Government feels that their nation would need such a complex, we are shocked to see twenty-five million conscripts being forced to defend this rather 'superfortification'. The Commonwealth does understand the need for underground facilites in this complex - our Highborough House, the headquarters of our Ministry of Defence has underground facilities - but this complex seems to sweat paranoia. We also express our concerns over the size of the complex; is it 510,510 kilometres long or 510.510 kilometres long?

The Pacifican Government hopes Anghele will redefine the details of its new fortress and severly lower the number of troops inside it; twenty-five million troops is much higher than the population of the Commonwealth itself.

Signed,
Katherine Hayden.
Acting Foreign Minister of the Pacifican Commonwealth.

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FROM THE OFFICE OF THE MINISTER OF FOREIGN AFFAIRS
UNDER-MINISTER HENRICK D. RASTERSON
_____While we here within the Shazbotdom Empire feel that the defence of a nation is allowable, the sheer size of the military that you have placed within this one fortification seems to be a little outrageous. With just one facility housing 25 Million troops, that would put about 2% of your nations population in one facility.

_____How large is your military numbers wise because if you hold several fortifications such as this, then your military size would cripple your nations economy in a matter of months. And if your military is so large, then we donot see how your Economy can be labeled as "Frightening" as it would be imploding upon itself.