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Tech notes

First, the IC Thread (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=589529) is open but strictly modern or earlier tech. That means no things that you think would be modern if the laws of physics didn't apply and earth had limitless human and natural resources so if you launch air-to-air missiles from two hundred miles off, a trained chimp in a Soviet airliner will have a fair chance of evading them whether you like it or not, your fighters aren't like the F-22 but better because that would make them future-tech, and if your battleship displaces a million tonnes it's stuck somewhere a few thousand kilometres from the action and won't be arriving any time soon, and your tanks have guns fired by chemical energy, not electro-thermal chemical energy. Otherwise we're pretty much all good to go.

Pyeki is...

The Pyekan Kuogu, or Pyeki, or the Dawn Empire, or whatever else you may want to call it, is a hermit state in Asia. For now it has been decided that it shall cover Thailand, Burma, Bangladesh, and the adjacent seven sisters states of northeastern India. The much-mentioned Panaku Delta is of course the Ganges Delta, then.

Its technology is assumed to be behind the times, owing largely to autarky (an isolated economy that does little if any foreign trade) and a lack of any reason to believe otherwise. A large portion of the population remains rural. It should be noted that the economy is, however, more industrially powerful than that of Bangladesh or Myanmar in reality.

Sylviastan is assumed to replace Bhutan, and Vietnam is a Ralkovian colony.

Could I get..?

Anyone in Asia-ish to be interested in being shocked and over-run or at least partly over-run by imperial forces in the early stage of the war? You don't necessarily have to stay over run, I just think it'd be nice if Pyeki had some success before the dogpile that I can only assume will extinguish the empire's megalomania. It'd probably be a matter of being surprised that this isolated backwater even has a war machine capable of deploying beyond its own borders that causes some unsuspecting country to be fully or partly over-run.

Heck, if there's enough interest, we could over-run more than one country before counter-attacks and foreign intervention turn the tide.

Anyway, I'm starving, and off for a curry, but I'll return later. Hope there's some interest!

Regarding Ralkovia's suggestion.

Sylviastan is just a mate helping out by getting killed since he doesn't really care to RP much on the boards with that nation, so I'd like to start on Vietnam immediately after that, if you don't mind.

Perhaps your nation, with its interests in the region, could begin by taking note of Sylviastan's likely steamrolling.

If real-world geography is being brought into it, though, I suppose I'll have to figure out whether Pyeki would be attacking Vietnam over land or by sea. In a short-lived Earth RP Pyeki's heartland was Myanmar and Thailand, so I can't help picturing Vietnam just to my east, but five billion Pyekan wouldn't realllly fit there.

Hm. Not sure whether to keep Pyeki on a large island in the Indian Ocean or South Pacific, or put it on Thailand, Myanmar, and perhaps Bangladesh and the adjacent seven sisters states of India.

The vietnam colony is rather weak seeing as most of its forces have been diverted to Korea for the Japan invasion however the main city at Empress Lili City(present day Hue) and it is heavily guarded. You can probably keep most of vietnam but that will be decided in IC. I would like this to serve as a sort of signal to the rest of the world about how brittle my Empire is becoming so this works out perfectly with me.

Well the thing is Ralkovia wouldn't really recognize Sylviastan or Pyeki unless it started attacking ralkovia. The vietnam colony also occupies part of cambodi so if you were centered in thailand that would work best.

Anyone in Asia-ish to be interested in being shocked and over-run or at least partly over-run by imperial forces in the early stage of the war? You don't necessarily have to stay over run, I just think it'd be nice if Pyeki had some success


I figured this is where I should ask: My nation has a small colony consisting of the Northern Mariana Islands and Guam (but we call them the Empress Mayaia Islands and Tokem, respectively). Would you be interested in overrunning those? There's a small garrison and naval force, and since they're far from my homeland, you would be in control of them for quite a while. Interested?

Okay, I think what I'll do (and I'll edit the first post in this thread to account for this) is have Pyeki cover Thailand, Burma, Bangladesh, and India's seven sisters. The Panaku Delta will be what we call the Ganges Delta.

Sylviastan will be probably where Bhutan ought to be, and the PNDF will sweep in, starting the war (obviously 175m people in Bhutan is a bit mental, but suspension of disbelief, eh?).

Next the PNA will march against Cambodia and Ralkovian Vietnam, and the PNN will launch an amphibious assault of Telvira's Empress Mayaia Islands and Tokem, making it clear that this isn't just a dispute between Pyeki and Sylviastan but part of something bigger that the Empire has planned.

For the record, a lot of Pyeki's military equipment is horribly out of date, due to our isolated economy, but an 18.5" rifle is still going to blow a fricking big hole in the ground, and there are questions about the value of main battle tanks in jungles and mountains, so we're hoping for stunning early successes before our technical inferiority becomes an issue. Also our more primitive society sort of makes it less of a drain to raise a bigger army, all be it one that is far from fully mechanised or well supported.

For the record, my nation uses a lot of vehicles/technology from the game EndWar. That OK by you?

Okay, well, there is a Beatusian Colony, similar to Tibet, in Geography, and land. I suppose that could be partially, or completely overrun, due to the fact that it's lightly defended, and cut off from the mainland. However, our forces, when they eventually arrive, would be blasting a path through India to get to the colony, would that be acceptable?

I'm afraid that I haven't played any such games for quite a few years, so I don't really know :)

Basically, though, it's just like I say in my first post. If people use theoretical weapons that would theoretically give them an edge over actual modern technology, my post in response will theorise that they didn't work too well. Bit like how theoretically the tankette was going to win WWII, or the nuclear bomb was going to be a clean way to wipe out a city. Or else I'll just basically ignore the future elements and respond as if the weapons were modern... if someone launches air to air missiles at 300km, I'll assume they miss, but if someone launches missiles at a reasonable range then claims they're ten times more agile than anything that exists in reality, I'll just assume they're equal to the best that exists in reality and respond accordingly.

Okay, well, there is a Beatusian Colony, similar to Tibet, in Geography, and land. I suppose that could be partially, or completely overrun, due to the fact that it's lightly defended, and cut off from the mainland. However, our forces, when they eventually arrive, would be blasting a path through India to get to the colony, would that be acceptable?

Hm, sounds potentially useful. As part of our plan we'd be hoping to sieze as much from you and Ralkovia as possible early on, making it difficult for you to get seriously involved later. However, since Ralkovia may not be too fussed about his Vietnamese colony, it would be sort of nice to have someone who's really going to fight back in the end, so that seems suitable :)

I'm not going to give it to you easy, I'll fight back but when I lose all my forces I'm not going to send more since I can't spare much.

Would you be open to a Central Asian country to be over-run?

Would you be open to a Central Asian country to be over-run?

I suppose it depends if I can get that far ;)

Maybe if my forces try to cut through the Beatusian colony and hit you before they've even finished fighting The Beatus, which I suppose might surprise both of you, since they'd be expecting us to go a different way about it and you'd be expecting us to finish them before thinking about you. How precisely have you placed your nation, in RL terms? If we can make it believable that you're within reach of a 'sort of' Burma type place (or Bhutan) it might be doable.

I suppose it depends if I can get that far ;)

Maybe if my forces try to cut through the Beatusian colony and hit you before they've even finished fighting The Beatus, which I suppose might surprise both of you, since they'd be expecting us to go a different way about it and you'd be expecting us to finish them before thinking about you. How precisely have you placed your nation, in RL terms? If we can make it believable that you're within reach of a 'sort of' Burma type place (or Bhutan) it might be doable.

Well I had planned on the approx location of Kazakhstan. But it's just as plausible to play it round the Himalaya and Bhutan area, but putting it as far as into the Burma area might stretch the believability of a Turko-Mongolian Kingdom.

Well I had planned on the approx location of Kazakhstan. But it's just as plausible to play it round the Himalaya and Bhutan area, but putting it as far as into the Burma area might stretch the believability of a Turko-Mongolian Kingdom.

Well, if alternative versions of Burma, Thailand, Bangladesh, and NE India represent my homeland, perhaps we can just be vague about it and assume you lie somewhere to my northwest, the Beatusian colony to my north, and Ralkovia's Vietnam to my east. If nobody minds?..

I'll sketch up a very rough map to show a suggestion, perhaps.

I've got some colonies scattered around the Philipines area that you're welcome to target. If you fancy a challenge, you could try to go for Rulina Island, which is has an important strategic port. You would get booted off eventually of course, :D

Okay, started a vague map for our purposes here.

Pyeki is red, of course, and Sylviastan green. I wasn't sure how much of Cambodia is under the Ralkovian colony, so I just chopped it up to indicate that there is some sort of divide. Similarly, the borders of the Beatusian colony are not authoritative, just supposed to be representative of where I assume that it is in relation to Pyeki. Dakimrod, any thoughts on where to represent your nation for this RP? Partly depends whether you want to be invaded soon, or possibly be invaded later (the PNA may not make it across the Beatusian colony at all, of course).

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v148/Chivtv/NS1/pyekimapdraft.jpg

There ya go mate.

http://img403.imageshack.us/img403/2765/dakimrod.png

Ta, though I think you've left off half of Pyeki and covered the Beatusian colony with your nation ;)

Ta, though I think you've left off half of Pyeki and covered the Beatusian colony with your nation ;)

Damn! Just assume it doesn't :P

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v148/Chivtv/NS1/pyekmaptwo.jpg

Something vaguely like this, perhaps?

(I'm seeing an older version at the moment, hopefully everyone else is seeing one in which I haven't accidentally coloured in Nepal :P )

Just so you know Japan is being invaded by Ralkovia currently so any attack on Japan would be an attack on Ralkovian troops and there is a lot of them. (if you're not going after Japan then sorry I just read your post and it confused me)

Pyekan Military Aviation

YAP-11 Fireback

Pyeki's first domestically produced fighter entered service in late 1954, two years behind overly optimistic plans laid-out by the first generation of Generals to lead the post-war junta.

A prop-driven fighter, it was already several years off the pace and was immediately relegated to the counter-insurgency role, where it remains in updated form to this day.

Named Fireback in reference to a native bird, the crested fireback, it is of unusual push-prop configuration with twin tail booms that support a single tail plane.

Today's Firebacks have been upgraded, chiefly by the replacement of the piston engine with a turboprop and placement of a simple radar set in the starboard boom.

Specifications (Fireback-II upgrade)
Crew: 1
Span: 11.55m
Length: 10.21m
Empty Weight: 3,300kg
Loaded Weight: 4,320kg
Powerplant: 2,000hp YAP turboprop
Maximum Speed: 447mph
Ceiling: 11,000m
Rate of climb: 825m/min
Range: 500 miles
Armament:
fixed- 2x13mm machineguns, 1x25mm cannon
optional- 57mm, 100mm rockets, 180mm anti-ship rockets; 8x13mm machinegun pod, freefall bombs, cluster bombs, napalm tanks

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v148/Chivtv/NS1/yap11fireback.jpg

YAP-16 Super Fireback

Demonstrated in 1957, the Super Fireback was Pyeki's first jet fighter, created by replacing the Fireback's engine with a primitive turbojet. Lay-out was modified such as by the raising of the tail plane so as to remove it from the jet's blast, but in over all performance the Super Fireback was only slightly advanced over its conventional cousin.

Entering service only in 1959, the YAP-16 had a top speed of 500mph, attainment of which was said to be extremely harsh on the engine, and as such it was far behind contemporary fighters, and dreams of it serving as a fighter accompaniment to the attack-focused YAP-11 were soon forgotten as it too was relegated to surface attack.

Fitted with RATO rockets and new landing gear and flaps, the YAP-16 was picked-up by the Imperial Navy and used as an anti-ship weapon, using rockets and bombs backed up by cannon and also being deployed in martyrdom squadrons, which were used briefly during the Confrontations of the 1960s, when Pyeki tried to destabilise some of its formative neighbour states.

YAP-23 Boejanana

Though the Empire was struggling to keep pace with foreign aircraft developments, the Firebacks were sufficiently accomplished designs to spur the military in more ambitious efforts. If nothing else, the domestic machines were vastly more affordable than western aircraft capable of doing the same job.

With two capable attackers in low-rate production, the Empire tried again to develop a true fighter. Bafflingly, at the start of the 1960s, Pyeki began its quest from partial plans of the Fw.Ta.183, a wartime design that had been slated to replace the Me.262 in the Luftwaffe. It is rumoured that ex-Nazis may have helped the Empire, with some foreign journalists and Nazi hunters claiming that they, along with former figures in the Imperial Japanese Army, lived for years after the war in beachfront mansions in Pyeki, paid for by the Emperor.

The ultimate result was the YAP-23, Pyeki's first 600mph fighter, entering service in 1968. Still incapable of supersonic performance in level flight, the YAP-23 was deemed a viable fighter but once again failed to put Pyekan pilots level with potential enemies. Disappointingly, it would soon be relegated to ground-attack after a few years as a stop-gap fighter while a successor was developed.

It was soon retrofitted with a large 37mm cannon for surface attack and anti-bomber work.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v148/Chivtv/NS1/yap23boejanana.jpg

YAP-30 Besra

The Besra, named for another local bird, appeared in 1976, and was in some respects an evolved YAP-23, finally realising many of the objectives set for the prior aircraft, and giving Pyeki its first supersonic aircraft, though it was only capable of Mach speeds at significant altitude, and more recently foreign observers have questioned the validity of Pyeki's claims. Unfortunately, by the time of Besra's introduction, in other countries MiG-23 and MiG-25 had been in service for some years, and the F-15 Eagle was just appearing, making the Mach-1 debate seem fairly academic.

Unlike earlier models, Besra was designed with the intention of making both a fighter version and an attacker, since most earlier projects had ended up being relegated to attack duty in any case. Top speeds of 709mph for the attacker and 712 for the fighter hardly suggest cutting edge performance, and the Besra was still primarily a gun and rocket rather than missile fighter, but it was undeniably a step forwards for the local aviation industry.

Besra has a range of some 650 miles, extendable to 960 with drop tanks, and the fighter version was the first Pyekan aircraft to deploy guided missiles, namely the Type-30 beam-rider, initially capable only of attacking subsonic targets, though later versions could handle supersonic targets as well.

The principle difference between the two versions was that the attacker weighed slightly more, having minor armour additions to critical areas of the underside, and mounted one 37mm cannon and two 25mm, while the interceptor version had three 25mm guns.

Besra began immediately to replace the YAP-23. It was Pyeki's best fighter until 1984.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v148/Chivtv/NS1/yap30besra.jpg

YAP-39 Buzzard

The YAP-39 represented the maximum extent to which the Yangon fighter could be developed as an interceptor. Capable of better than Mach 1.2 (Pyekan sources claim Mach 1.4) and a 400 mile combat radius when fitted with drop tanks, it was also the first Pyekan fighter to be armed with heat seeking missiles. Still, the Type-38, a rear-aspect missile of short range, while an improvement over the clumsy Type-30, would not be capable of anything other than tail-chase engagement until further developed some years later.

The YAP-39 became Pyeki's front line fighter, backed-up by the Besra's fighter version.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v148/Chivtv/NS1/yap39.jpg

YAP-46

Looking to provide a strike jet to match the advancement of the YAP-39 fighter, Yangon introduced in 1992 the YAP-46. This was essentially a ground-attack version of the YAP-39. Its top speed was just over Mach 1.1, which could be achieved with the use of afterburners in its two turbojets, range was around 1,200 miles, and fixed armament was two 25mm cannon with 100 rounds per gun.

Hardpoints could carry 2,200kg of stores including drop-tanks, free-fall bombs, cluster bombs, napalm tanks, 57mm and 100mm rockets, Type-38 IR-guided air-to-air missiles, and Pyeki's first guided air-to-surface missile, the radio guided Type-45.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v148/Chivtv/NS1/yap46.jpg

BAI-59 Sunbird

At the turn of the century, the YAP-39 was still Pyeki's best fighter. 2005 brought the first Sunbird, produced by the Bangkok Aerospace Institute. The BAI-59 was a deviation from the Yangon designs, and was to be Pyeki's first Mach 2 capable aircraft, and the first to carry semi-active radar homing missiles, namely the Type-60. The Sunbird serves as a dedicated fighter, supported by the Buzzard and decreasing numbers of Besra fighters.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v148/Chivtv/NS1/bai59sunbird.jpg

Future Attack Aircraft

[Soon]