Dra-pol
06-04-2009, 03:17
Needing to sort out the Hamhung issue in the new AMW, I decided to start a thread to discuss it, but now I'm thinking it could be a wider discussion of AMW history for the sake of newbies and working out what's changed for the rest of us.
To sort out the Korean conflicts, I can't help thinking that it might be beneficial to better define AMW's version of WWII.
For those who don't know, an overview of AMW's original history before the restart, as pertains to Dra-pol:
Ancient Drapoel Choson hermit kingdom invaded by Japan around the turn of the century. Emperor Wiman becomes the first ruler in centuries to lose territory to an invader as much of the coast and the south are occupied by Imperial Japanese Army. Royal army continues to resist periodic expansion of Japanese control through the early C20th, but suffers a succession of defeats in the face of naval gunnery, modern field artillery, machineguns, and later tanks and aircraft.
In the 1930s, a Drapoel soldier adopted the nom de guerre Sulo and took to the central mountains at the head of a band of disaffected royal army troops and began to fight an effective guerrilla war against the IJA. In time, Wiman turned to collaboration in order to save his throne, and so the Suloists turned on him, too. By the time WWII started, a Japanese client state in control of the coasts and much of the south was fighting rebels in the north and central mountains. A Choson People's Republic was proclaimed, but was unable to secure all of its territory before Quinntonian forces landed in the south to liberate it from Japan. Sulo's men didn't take kindly to this, and saw no reason to regard the Republic of Korea as any different to Wiman's collaborationist government, or the USQ as any different to the Empire of Japan, and continued to support rebellion in the south.
During the war, one of Sulo's men, Chao Shih-an, was sent to China to forge alliances against the Japanese. There he picked-up Maoist ideas, and after the war would replace Sulo as Director of the CPRD, adopting the party name Kurosian and enacting a range of political and economic reforms.
In 1950, the CPRD invaded the RoK with the aim of reuniting the nation and driving out new foreign influences, and very nearly succeeded before being driven back from the Busan Perimeter by US and allied naval gunnery and airpower, and forced against the Yalu before Maoist China sent reinforcements and the war stalemated much as in reality.
The CPRD retreated back into isolation for three decades after the conflict, until a civilian ship was sunk in Drapoel waters and the USQ sent an expedition to reestablish contact. The people had been taught that a total global war, starting around the turn of the century, had consumed the outside world in atomic fire, and so the Quinntonians caused great alarm, and the upshot was the Three Day War (or Kurosian's Rage as the Quinntonians remembered it), in which WWII technology went up against the early/mid 1980s US military.
Afterwards, Hamhung and Hungnam were ceded to the US, and the Quinntonians set about converting locals to Christianity. The CPRD had lost -in the south and around Hamhung- most of its productive farmland, and things went from bad to worse in Dra-pol. Kurosian's son (Kurosian II) initiated hardline nationalist Neo-Suloist reforms, and attacked the enclave of Quinntonian Dra-pol in the late 1980s. Over two million Drapoel died in the ensuing conflict, along with the better part of a million Quinntonians and Christian converts. Missionaries inside the CPRD were rounded up and crucified, but in the end, the enclave held. Kurosian II was arrested and handed over to the US in hopes of appeasing them, and Kurosian reassumed power with one Wang Kuo-fang -who earned the party name Hotan- at his side. During the conflict, Wang had lead an army in the field, and captured an airborne division provided by a US ally, only to release it on condition that the nation withdraw from the peninsula.
The Quinntonians then had Kurosian assassinated on a trip to China, and attempted to kill Hotan as well, leaving him badly wounded (though he killed all three of his attackers) but inheriting power in the CPRD.
The CPRD then made a second attempt to reunify the peninsula, invading the RoK for a second time after several years spent building up modern forces. The ROKA was routed in a massive offensive utilising extensive tunnel warfare, and Seoul was captured (or liberated, depending on your point of view), along with other territory as far south as Andong in the east, where Hindustani troops finally put a stop to the advance. Massive bombing on the west coast limited Communist progress to a short distance beyond Seoul. A tactical nuclear strike was launched against a Drapoel Assault Division at some point in the offensive.
Still, the CPRD gained a major victory, significant population, extensive agricultural land, and extensive modern capital. Quinntonian Dra-pol remained safe behind massive defences, Hotan seeing it as a sort of bargaining chip, feeling able to threaten the civilian population with missile and artillery bombardment if the US pushed him too hard in the south.
I think that's basically it.
So, new AMW...
Quinntonia wants out of that history. We don't have a Japan. Spyr has replaced China for all intents and purposes here.
I need a Christian power with the ability and motive to fight a bloody war in Korea and carry out an occupation of the Hamhung region. We can change the scale of it a bit, but it's still a matter of casualties for the attacker far beyond anything like the invasion of Iraq for example.
At the moment my thinking is that Russia makes some sense. As Spyr has pointed out, his nation robs Russia of its ice-free Pacific ports, so maybe Hamhung appealed in that way. It is conceivable that an arrogant Tsar might sacrifice thousands of men to his own ambition and vanity, and the Russian Church might involve itself in an attempt to convert the Drapoel people. It would deal a blow to their Spyrian enemy, too.
I'd need 'em to assassinate Kurosian -perhaps in Spyr- and attempt to kill Hotan -in Dra-pol- as well.
I think, ideally, we would work out a history of WWII, and finally replace Japan, but I'm not sure if there are any suitable contenders at the moment, unless I'm missing someone?
Also, who fights the Korean War on the side of the RoK? Q still prepared to do that much, at least? And what of the second Drapoel invasion of the south? The US could still support the RoK without having Hamhung, I suppose. Who nuked the 100th Assault Division?
Thoughts, please!
To sort out the Korean conflicts, I can't help thinking that it might be beneficial to better define AMW's version of WWII.
For those who don't know, an overview of AMW's original history before the restart, as pertains to Dra-pol:
Ancient Drapoel Choson hermit kingdom invaded by Japan around the turn of the century. Emperor Wiman becomes the first ruler in centuries to lose territory to an invader as much of the coast and the south are occupied by Imperial Japanese Army. Royal army continues to resist periodic expansion of Japanese control through the early C20th, but suffers a succession of defeats in the face of naval gunnery, modern field artillery, machineguns, and later tanks and aircraft.
In the 1930s, a Drapoel soldier adopted the nom de guerre Sulo and took to the central mountains at the head of a band of disaffected royal army troops and began to fight an effective guerrilla war against the IJA. In time, Wiman turned to collaboration in order to save his throne, and so the Suloists turned on him, too. By the time WWII started, a Japanese client state in control of the coasts and much of the south was fighting rebels in the north and central mountains. A Choson People's Republic was proclaimed, but was unable to secure all of its territory before Quinntonian forces landed in the south to liberate it from Japan. Sulo's men didn't take kindly to this, and saw no reason to regard the Republic of Korea as any different to Wiman's collaborationist government, or the USQ as any different to the Empire of Japan, and continued to support rebellion in the south.
During the war, one of Sulo's men, Chao Shih-an, was sent to China to forge alliances against the Japanese. There he picked-up Maoist ideas, and after the war would replace Sulo as Director of the CPRD, adopting the party name Kurosian and enacting a range of political and economic reforms.
In 1950, the CPRD invaded the RoK with the aim of reuniting the nation and driving out new foreign influences, and very nearly succeeded before being driven back from the Busan Perimeter by US and allied naval gunnery and airpower, and forced against the Yalu before Maoist China sent reinforcements and the war stalemated much as in reality.
The CPRD retreated back into isolation for three decades after the conflict, until a civilian ship was sunk in Drapoel waters and the USQ sent an expedition to reestablish contact. The people had been taught that a total global war, starting around the turn of the century, had consumed the outside world in atomic fire, and so the Quinntonians caused great alarm, and the upshot was the Three Day War (or Kurosian's Rage as the Quinntonians remembered it), in which WWII technology went up against the early/mid 1980s US military.
Afterwards, Hamhung and Hungnam were ceded to the US, and the Quinntonians set about converting locals to Christianity. The CPRD had lost -in the south and around Hamhung- most of its productive farmland, and things went from bad to worse in Dra-pol. Kurosian's son (Kurosian II) initiated hardline nationalist Neo-Suloist reforms, and attacked the enclave of Quinntonian Dra-pol in the late 1980s. Over two million Drapoel died in the ensuing conflict, along with the better part of a million Quinntonians and Christian converts. Missionaries inside the CPRD were rounded up and crucified, but in the end, the enclave held. Kurosian II was arrested and handed over to the US in hopes of appeasing them, and Kurosian reassumed power with one Wang Kuo-fang -who earned the party name Hotan- at his side. During the conflict, Wang had lead an army in the field, and captured an airborne division provided by a US ally, only to release it on condition that the nation withdraw from the peninsula.
The Quinntonians then had Kurosian assassinated on a trip to China, and attempted to kill Hotan as well, leaving him badly wounded (though he killed all three of his attackers) but inheriting power in the CPRD.
The CPRD then made a second attempt to reunify the peninsula, invading the RoK for a second time after several years spent building up modern forces. The ROKA was routed in a massive offensive utilising extensive tunnel warfare, and Seoul was captured (or liberated, depending on your point of view), along with other territory as far south as Andong in the east, where Hindustani troops finally put a stop to the advance. Massive bombing on the west coast limited Communist progress to a short distance beyond Seoul. A tactical nuclear strike was launched against a Drapoel Assault Division at some point in the offensive.
Still, the CPRD gained a major victory, significant population, extensive agricultural land, and extensive modern capital. Quinntonian Dra-pol remained safe behind massive defences, Hotan seeing it as a sort of bargaining chip, feeling able to threaten the civilian population with missile and artillery bombardment if the US pushed him too hard in the south.
I think that's basically it.
So, new AMW...
Quinntonia wants out of that history. We don't have a Japan. Spyr has replaced China for all intents and purposes here.
I need a Christian power with the ability and motive to fight a bloody war in Korea and carry out an occupation of the Hamhung region. We can change the scale of it a bit, but it's still a matter of casualties for the attacker far beyond anything like the invasion of Iraq for example.
At the moment my thinking is that Russia makes some sense. As Spyr has pointed out, his nation robs Russia of its ice-free Pacific ports, so maybe Hamhung appealed in that way. It is conceivable that an arrogant Tsar might sacrifice thousands of men to his own ambition and vanity, and the Russian Church might involve itself in an attempt to convert the Drapoel people. It would deal a blow to their Spyrian enemy, too.
I'd need 'em to assassinate Kurosian -perhaps in Spyr- and attempt to kill Hotan -in Dra-pol- as well.
I think, ideally, we would work out a history of WWII, and finally replace Japan, but I'm not sure if there are any suitable contenders at the moment, unless I'm missing someone?
Also, who fights the Korean War on the side of the RoK? Q still prepared to do that much, at least? And what of the second Drapoel invasion of the south? The US could still support the RoK without having Hamhung, I suppose. Who nuked the 100th Assault Division?
Thoughts, please!