NationStates Jolt Archive

(Granted, so far only my government is calling it the British Spring, but whatever!)

Right, so, by some freaky coincidence, Soviet Lancashire and United British Regions had, it seems, basically the same idea at the same time, and started nations based on the revolutionary dissolution of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland.

The Dove over the Hammer (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=588643) is the thread, started by UBR, that drew my attention to the fact that somebody had beaten me to the punch by a matter of hours, and now looks like expanding to include other players, so I thought it best to have an OOC thread where we can all talk. I think we've both had telegrams from other interested players, so it just seems easier this way, because I don't know all of UBR's plans, so don't want to go telling others, "Yeahhh, that's fine! Come aboard!" and causing conflicts of interest.

Brittanican Adenia has contacted me with an expression of interest, and I gather that A Utopian Soviet Union is doing something in Kent, so this is looking pretty lively. A change from people carving up the USA between themselves, anyway :)

Works for me. Following the notes about riots in the South of England, I'd like to (as I explained to SL) RP a BNP-ruled "Republic of Wiltshire", which is continually rocked by rioting and attempts to coup the new transitional government. Poor infrastructure and continual guerilla warfare meant that the remnants of the British Army are struggling to ensure that the county remains under the crown.

Ah yes, glorious Britain! Esentially my pet character is attempting to manipulate varios factions in Kent to acheive a semblance of dominance; If he's successful he may make a foray into Sussex and South East London.

Indeed this will be most interesting chaps!

Whilst my nation has about zero-relation to Great Britian itself, I my self being Britsh have a great interest in this thread. I doubt The Armed Republic Of The Wolf Hold couldn't do much other then try to take over some land which isn't really that fun.

I have a few idea of a faction I could RP, a group of British Army who have banded together to try and maintain peace and security in England, mainly Staffordshire to be precise.

Well dear chap, you'll have to get in contact with UBR; he's the maker behind this although Lancashire has been subject to an unfortunate case of coincidence. Same happened to me yesterday actually; I spent all nght ranting on MSN to some guys about something on here and then someone goes and does exactly what I proposed, spooky!

I know exactly how you feel -_-. Okay I'll wait for UBR to give the yay or nay.

On a note BNP-ruled "Republic of Wiltshire" you sir know how to make me shudder. A BNP party meeting is bad enough but a place where they have power, I don't even want to consider it.

*Winces at above*

Agreed, although I believe that Britains cultural issues need to be addressed urgently and our immigration laws given a drastic overhaul the BNP to be quite frank merely draws in the less desirable people in the population. Some want Britain to be great again and to stabalise it's deterioating culture which is all well and good but it is a haven for other types...

Mad skills. It's going to be a faction of the BNP, more of a Mosleyist element and policies. Should all be jolly good fun.

Not to worry. Not that they'll live to think on it, but anyone who starts any sentence with the words, "I'm not a racist, but..." will be rudely reminded who makes the Eurofighter Typhoons and the nuclear submarines.




(...'s Lancashire, incase you don't know ;) )

That s the truth, I agree with you points on imigration but as you already said the BNP just draw in the people who would ruin britian. I would want to see Britan great again, I mean look at the good the Empire did. (Okay just pass over the amount of crap it did as well)

For the sake of the RP though a BNP controlled state would be quite interesting.

Yeah considering that the Eurofighter Typhoon partly comes from Europe.

Not to worry. Not that they'll live to think on it, but anyone who starts any sentence with the words, "I'm not a racist, but..." will be rudely reminded who makes the Eurofighter Typhoons and the nuclear submarines.




(...'s Lancashire, incase you don't know ;) )

Just be remembering who houses the B-52's :tongue: And as the new nation's called "Mosleyist Wiltshire" I'd like it to last longer than 5 seconds :D

At any rate, it'd be very hard to stamp it out - they're currently fighting the British Army as well, and guerilla tactics are becoming a bit of a speciality...

Just be remembering who houses the B-52's :tongue: And as the new nation's called "Mosleyist Wiltshire" I'd like it to last longer than 5 seconds :D

At any rate, it'd be very hard to stamp it out - they're currently fighting the British Army as well, and guerilla tactics are becoming a bit of a speciality...

I know this is going to sound really bad, considering I live in Britian but where is Wiltshire in relation to the West Midlands? (Stafforshire, Shropshire etc)

Well lads, i've got two nuclear powerplants on my doorstep (Dungeness) providing power to the South East; and they're going down down DOWN!

Electricity wil serve my purposes and those deemed useful by my organisation!

Also as an interesting side note alot of the power from those stations is also exported to France... *grins wickedly* I think not now...

I know this is going to sound really bad, considering I live in Britian but where is Wiltshire in relation to the West Midlands? (Stafforshire, Shropshire etc)

Wiltshire is directly South of Staffordshire, about 100 miles.

Wiltshire is directly South of Staffordshire, about 100 miles.

Thank you, maybe a few cross-shire airstikes then. As the British Army in the Midlands would ofcourse want to support there brothers down south.

Thank you, maybe a few cross-shire airstikes then. As the British Army in the Midlands would ofcourse want to support there brothers down south.

Sounds fair, but remember that the Army will be having trouble, as the militant wing of the Mosleyists will be busy disabling anything and everything they can that would help the Army too much. Very much like the IRA, with a central command and lots of cells, of whom very few know each other.

Well, it seems I've unexpectedly started something interesting here.

Firstly, I'd like to say many thanks to all those who have expressed an interest in this RP and the associated backstory, I find it most flattering that my writing has attracted several people with similar ideas in mind for an RP backstory.

Britannican Adenia and The Wolf Hold, you would both be welcome to join in with the RP utilising the areas of control you desire. A few points, however, need to be explained first:

1) It has come to general consensus between myself, Soviet Lancashire and AUSU that the population figures related to these nations need to be based in reality, with the NS population figures being too rapidly increasing. For example, the UBR at this moment covers the East Midlands region which stands at a little under five million in population, which is therefore what I am RPing at. Soviet Lancashire has taken several areas of that historic county and comprised a rough population figure out of that which I believe sits at a little around six million. You get the idea.

The one way the NS populations can be used is in the acquiring of new territory. For example, once the NS population on my nation page hits ten million, I would therefore be able to annex East Anglia as well (the two population figures making up the aforementioned ten million at least roughly) through either announcing that the region has seceded to the UBR or through invasion. However, this of course lets the door open for grabbing as much territory as possible whilst it is still unoccupied, which can lead to OOC conflict. To make this avoidable, I'm going to have to rely on the integrity of your individual selves to be interested in restraining the temptation to grab everything as quickly as possible and utilise it in a story-advancing manner. I'm not saying 'no' to landgrabs of nearby regions, more of a 'slow down' approach.

2) Through discussion with myself and Soviet Lancashire (SL), we seem to have come to a general consensus that inheritance of military equipment will be initially done on the basis of 'whatever area your country controls, you get what's based there.' This of course is not as simple as it seems to begin with, as the factories, training facilities and support infrastructure for military assets in one part of the country may be situated in an area that is controlled by another of the so-called 'British Successor States' on this island. However, I believe this puts forward a good plot device for initial cooperation until we individually build up our national infrastructures independently of each-other.

3) Whilst I personally believe that interaction between states on this version of the British Isles and the wider international community is acceptable, if not required to gain certain investment and knowledge required to build up an independent nation, I believe an element of caution is required that largely connects with the 'individual integrity' I mentioned in an earlier point. Basically, I don't want someone gaining the overwhelming support of an outside superpower and steamrolling across the British countryside as this is not conducive to an enjoyable RP experience for the other parties. Therefore, I believe that any involvement of military forces from countries outside of this semi-region we seem to have developed requires the majority consensus of the rest of those involved to maintain a balance between realistic interaction between international states and good story-writing. Things like economic aid and other such matters is fine. I'd particularly like some feedback and suggestions on this point if anyone disagrees or has a better idea to implement.

I'd like to thank SL for making this OOC thread, which we can use for both the current and future RPs to discuss ideas, resolve disputes and so forth. I think the 'Dove over the Hammer' RP seems like a suitable mechanism for introducing your individual states and establishing basic political relations between neighbouring powers. After that, future RPs we can link through this thread for the interests of other involved parties to read (I believe a national meeting between my leader and SL's leader is on the cards fairly soon).

In the meantime, we appear to have two issues to attend to:

1) We need a map displaying currently controlled territory that can be adjusted in the future to reflect the changes in geopolitical power in the former United Kingdom. I would be happy to do this later today if everyone can give me a breakdown of the areas they are controlling (my own area at the moment for example, comprises the East Midlands - Nottinghamshire, Northamptonshire, Leicestershire, Derbyshire and Rutland) then I can arrange this.

2) Sorting out basic factbooks for our individual nations with associated political, economic and military information seems a good investment of time. I'm happy with posting those in this thread. I'll work on the one for UBR over this weekend.

Thoughts? Comments? Queries? Constructive Criticism? Post away. And once again, thankyou for your interest and making this bigger than I initially imagined would be possible. I look forward to RPing with you all.

Thank you UBR for acepting my idea for your rather interesting RP. I have a question however. You said that the inheritance of military assests comes from the bases inside the territory you have claim to. The essential background of my RP position is that of a orginised group of British Armed Forces trying to hold down security in the Midlands whilst trying to support other surviving sperate groups Britsh Armed Forces. In effect I would RP the remains of the Britsh Army fighting almost complty defensive battle as we try and stop 'breakaway states' from gaining land. I say this as it would be an unfair advantage for me to use the whole land annex system due to me NS population.

So basically would you mind if I RPed the broken reamins of the Britsh Armed Forces desperatly trying to re-group and hold onto the country they signed up to defend.

Thank you UBR for acepting my idea for your rather interesting RP. I have a question however. You said that the inheritance of military assests comes from the bases inside the territory you have claim to. The essential background of my RP position is that of a orginised group of British Armed Forces trying to hold down security in the Midlands whilst trying to support other surviving sperate groups Britsh Armed Forces. In effect I would RP the remains of the Britsh Army fighting almost complty defensive battle as we try and stop 'breakaway states' from gaining land. I say this as it would be an unfair advantage for me to use the whole land annex system due to me NS population.

So basically would you mind if I RPed the broken reamins of the Britsh Armed Forces desperatly trying to re-group and hold onto the country they signed up to defend.

I see what you mean about an unfair advantage there, although I do like the idea of having someone play the remains of what is left of the previous order.

It would seem reasonable that military forces of the British Army would likely have been concentrated into certain areas following the dissolution of the government as it would have been trying to maintain certain important facilities/strongpoints across the country, such as London, other infrastructure bases and military installations and effectively leaving other areas without a military presence. Perhaps a compromise can be reached here in this respect? Your forces being split across various small 'pockets' of control across the UK trying to hold these locations and regroup, although each pocket suffering from limited communication and supply lines with the other pockets of resistance as some of these will be undoubtedly surrounded by the Successor States. I'm happy with your military command being in London if you wish to claim the former capital as one of these strongholds; gives us all someone to fight during a possible 'Race to London' further down the line.

Let me know what you think about this.

I see what you mean about an unfair advantage there, although I do like the idea of having someone play the remains of what is left of the previous order.

It would seem reasonable that military forces of the British Army would likely have been concentrated into certain areas following the dissolution of the government as it would have been trying to maintain certain important facilities/strongpoints across the country, such as London, other infrastructure bases and military installations and effectively leaving other areas without a military presence. Perhaps a compromise can be reached here in this respect? Your forces being split across various small 'pockets' of control across the UK trying to hold these locations and regroup, although each pocket suffering from limited communication and supply lines with the other pockets of resistance as some of these will be undoubtedly surrounded by the Successor States. I'm happy with your military command being in London if you wish to claim the former capital as one of these strongholds; gives us all someone to fight during a possible 'Race to London' further down the line.

Let me know what you think about this.


I like your idea. The strongpoint idea might give me the oppertunity to RP some last stands, which should be fun.

If say I have several major strong points in the country which have limited communications but are able to update each other on there status. Then we have smaller pockets such as isolated towns and villages that Britsh Military has ocupied in order to restore order to the local area. In essence I am talking about applying the Sangin effect or Inkspot theroy just without the orginisation or supply lines.

Military control of London sounds like a good idea. It would make an interesting plot line in the RP. Say I hold the majority of the city with the outskirts being a rather lawless area where order is maintained by patrols by the Military and surviving police units.

I already have a rough Idea of which bases and citys I could use as my strong points alongside London, do you wish me to list them so we can decide if the list is fair.

I like your idea. The strongpoint idea might give me the oppertunity to RP some last stands, which should be fun.

If say I have several major strong points in the country which have limited communications but are able to update each other on there status. Then we have smaller pockets such as isolated towns and villages that Britsh Military has ocupied in order to restore order to the local area. In essence I am talking about applying the Sangin effect or Inkspot theroy just without the orginisation or supply lines.

Military control of London sounds like a good idea. It would make an interesting plot line in the RP. Say I hold the majority of the city with the outskirts being a rather lawless area where order is maintained by patrols by the Military and surviving police units.

I already have a rough Idea of which bases and citys I could use as my strong points alongside London, do you wish me to list them so we can decide if the list is fair.

That all sounds good to me, and definately the basis for some good RPs of various kinds (last stands, a watered-down 'Mad Max' situation in outer London and so on all seem like fun ideas.)

If you would be able to do a list of the controlled assets you have in mind, along with a rough breakdown of the military strength in each area, that would be greatly appreciated. Thanks for displaying the aforementioned fairness and integrity I was discussing earlier, it's a good sign for the entertainment and longevity of this story.

That all sounds good to me, and definately the basis for some good RPs of various kinds (last stands, a watered-down 'Mad Max' situation in outer London and so on all seem like fun ideas.)

If you would be able to do a list of the controlled assets you have in mind, along with a rough breakdown of the military strength in each area, that would be greatly appreciated. Thanks for displaying the aforementioned fairness and integrity I was discussing earlier, it's a good sign for the entertainment and longevity of this story.

For an RP you need fairness and integrity. It is also along the theme of somthing I have wanted to do for a very long time.

I will have the military breakdown done over the weekend but for the moment I can give you some of the places I would like to have as strongpoints for the Britsh Armed Forces. So here is the list: (In-complete)

London- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/London_District_(British_Army)
RAF Heathrow (Military conversion of Heathrow International)
Aldershot Military Town- Aldershot Garrison http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aldershot_Garrison
Victoria Barracks-Windsor Castle http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Victoria_Barracks,_Windsor_Castle
Birmigham
MoD Stafford- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MoD_Stafford
Northwood Headquaters- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northwood_Headquarters
RAF Benson- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RAF_Benson

Ill update this list later when I have time

Sounds like a good idea that, as is the ensuring no one gets the support of a super power backer of sorts.

Bearing in mind that my antics are going to essentially be the work of an aspiring evil genius, i'll be playing as a militant group enforcing order at first; depending on how things play out I must confess that I will not know if it will be established as a proper nation or not. Upon the completion of this RP we shall see, and then I will deem whether or not I need to make a Fact book for it, as my territory may seccede to you guys depending on how it goes.

Wolf Hold, quite a little task you've set yourself dear chap. If I am not much mistaken however there is a military training compound about a twenty minutes drive from the Romney Marsh (Hythe) which is where my fledgling "nation's" actual government is starting out at. I will howeve have various other groups of armed revolutionaries roaming Kent as i'm sure you other guys will be doing. After all, we have to organise ourselves!

I will however be having clashes between the lower class and upper classes on my part though to make thigns interesting. But they will be merely pawns of my genius!

Here's a handy map:

http://www.royalmilitarycanal.com/images/HomePageMap.jpg

The towns there are the "main ones" but New Romney is the only town of size aside from Hythe which is on the edge. So for now New Romney will be my defacto capital. Thus far in the story I would have practically seized the main area and be making a beeline across the Marsh (which is truly desolate and empty) towards the Royal Military Canal and Hythe to A. Secure the military base and B. Project myself towards Hythe and onto Folkestone and Dover.

With regard to the Neo-Conservatives, they'll be in Hythe and other upstanding towns and MAY co-operate with you Wolf Hold. They will be centered in Canterbury mostly; i'm not sure who will emerge triumphant, depends on how it all pans out.

Kent has a population of 1,647,100, the Romney Marsh i'd guess has a population of say ten thousand but I realy couldn't say, it's population is drastically aged however so i'll be utilising people from ages of 14 to 40's I'd say.

I'd like to wheel out an evil genius contraption "laser" at some point for a bit of drama but that'sultimatly up to you UBR.

Also UBR I'm happy to do my own maps for how i'm progressing and if you'd ilke I don't mind adding others progress to it as well. I used to do maps for RP's in another forum.

That's fine by me, mostly. Adenia runs by the Realistic Scenario system - my population, densities, incomes, government budgets etc are figured by me, rather than using traditional NS figures. Considering that you've all got 5 million or so, I lay claim to Berkshire as well as Hampshire and Dorset (gives me just over 3.6 million people, and means I'd be fighting The Wolf Hold quite closely with him being based in London and at RAF Benson in Oxfordshire).

I have a factbook linked in my signature. It's a bit bare-bones at the moment, but still being built.

Wolf Hold, those sound like acceptable ideas for strongholds so far; it also gives you the advantage of being able to RP an interaction between several of the Successor States due to the spread of the strongholds, making for a lot of good RP potential.

AUSU and BA, both of these seem fine to me. AUSU specifically, if you would like to do maps of your own progress than that is completely fine with me. Furthermore, if you would like to do a map for the overall country and the developments of the Successor States, than that would be greatfully appreciated.

SL, I like the factbook. I'll work on one for the UBR today. Furthermore, I'll ensure I've got a post in the 'Dove' thread before the end of today putting diplomatic relations that extra step forward and recognising the other states on the island.

For everyone's reference, specifically AUSU's if they are going to be comprising a map, the territorial claims appear to be as follows so far (and please let me know if I am in error anywhere in this listing):

United British Regions: East Midlands (Derbyshire, Leicestershire, Rutland, Northamptonshire, Nottinghamshire, Lincolnshire).

Soviet Lancashire: Lancashire, Merseyside, Greater Manchester, Furness, Cartmel, Warrington, Widness.

Territory held by the Revolutionary People's Army (AUSU, not sure on any official territorial name as of yet): Kent.

Republic of Wiltshire: Wiltshire.

Territory held by the British Army (more to be announced): London, Heathrow International Airport, Aldershot Military Town, Victoria Barracks (Windsor Castle), Birmingham, MoD Stafford, Northwood Headquaters, RAF Benson.

As I said previously, I will be posting further RP-wise later today.

That's fine by me, mostly. Adenia runs by the Realistic Scenario system - my population, densities, incomes, government budgets etc are figured by me, rather than using traditional NS figures. Considering that you've all got 5 million or so, I lay claim to Berkshire as well as Hampshire and Dorset (gives me just over 3.6 million people, and means I'd be fighting The Wolf Hold quite closely with him being based in London and at RAF Benson in Oxfordshire).

So that's Wiltshire, Berkshire, Hampshire and Dorset. We'll be known as the Mosleyist South Shires (wasn't big enough for Mosleyist Southern County Republic, but there you go).

Hows this for starters?

http://i224.photobucket.com/albums/dd165/ProffessorEGADD/NS/BritishSpring.png

As you can see i've revised my status somewhat, decided to start of with amore or less intact emergence covering Kent and three surroudning counties. I'll await for UBR to start us all of before posting myself.

On another note, I found the perfect puppert leader for my nation, presenting national sleeze bucket of the former Conservative Party; Alan B'Stard.

http://image.com.com/tv/images/processed/default/c2/20/275872.jpg

I'm not quite sure who'll get the reference although I hope some of you do! :D

ALAN! :P Man that show was awesome.

Looks good to me, I'll draft up a factbook and see to putting it up.

I like the Map, it also gives me an idea on where to claim my last few strongholds. Just a small request can you change my name to Britsh Military as I am using all three arms not just the army.

So for my final list of strongholds. (Ones in blue I have already stated, Green are my new claims)

Updated List of Britsh Military Claims

London- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/London_..._(British_Army)
RAF Heathrow (Military conversion of Heathrow International)
Aldershot Military Town- Aldershot Garrison http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aldershot_Garrison
Victoria Barracks-Windsor Castle http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Victori...Windsor_Castle
Birmigham
MoD Stafford- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MoD_Stafford
Northwood Headquaters- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northwood_Headquarters
RAF Benson- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RAF_Benson
Wolverhampton (Had to claim my home town :D)
HMNB Devonport- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HMNB_Devonport
HMNB Clyde+RNAD Coulport- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HMNB_Clyde
Catterick Garrison- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catterick_Garrison
Thorney Island- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thorney_Island_(West_Sussex)
Defence CBRN Centre- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Defence_CBRN_Centre

I think that will be enoigh unless other people have any more suggestions.

Aldershot Military Town - Aldershot Garrison
Defence CBRN Centre


Those are fair enough, but remember that you're very unlikely to get supplies through to those areas as, being key military installations, they're likely to be completely surrounded by my own forces (mostly militia, but some sections of the armed forces will have turned their allegiance to the new administration and will be leading the sieges of these two facilities.

Those are fair enough, but remember that you're very unlikely to get supplies through to those areas as, being key military installations, they're likely to be completely surrounded by my own forces (mostly militia, but some sections of the armed forces will have turned their allegiance to the new administration and will be leading the sieges of these two facilities.

The Defence CRBN centre will be a hard fight, but Aldershot Military town is more or less one of the main areas of the military now due to its size so it has been turned into a fortress. However that is what I am ment to be RPing a broken and cut off British Military located in several differnt enclaves. I mean look at london it is got three sucsessor states around it and gaining the capital is going to be a focus for most factions in the UK.

AUSU, the map looks great. Thankyou very much for providing us with that, as it will be a great help in keeping future track of everyone's territorial claims.

To all, I apologise for the delay in posting that I promised last night; I felt somewhat unwell and have not slept much last night. I will however endeavour to post before the end of tonight after some general recuperation.

AARRRRGHHH!!!

Wolf Hold you pain In the arse! I'll have to look up all those accursed locations on maps and then stick brown dots everywhere! Blurggh!!! :p

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Ah, good, someone else is still interested.

I shall post something, shortly.

I wonder if it's worth having a region for us all to house nations dedicated to this post-revolutionary Britain, and try to attract people to play other regions of England, Wales, Scotland, and perhaps Ireland...

Maybe I just want Yorkist enemies and Welsh allies, I dunno :p

Well, I ask, wheres UBR?