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"...And for this reason, we are putting out a call to the nations of the world, join together. We must protect ourselves from the threat of nuclear weapons. They are used almost every day, in every conflict. Many nations do not see the horrors of a nuclear attack, using these nukes much the same as you would a pistol or a rifle. I ask you, no, implore you, build satelites, missiles, lasers, anything that may stem the tide of this nuclear threat! At the same time, slow the production of your nuclear arsenal, and promise yourselves you will not use them unless you have no choice! If you do not take measures to stop nuclear attacks, your nation, your continent, perhaps the world will be demoted to a glass ball of radioactivity. Above all, I propose we join together to protect ourselves, and the world, from this threat of nuclear weapons. Thank you for listening, and I ask you to think upon this."
As Graith Dr'klow, the leader of Daiwiz, completed his speech, it was telegrammed to every leader around the world. It was a hope that never again would nuclear weapons strike populated areas, cities with civilians espeacially. Afterwards, Dr'klow took a seat in his office, and awaited any questions leaders of the free world may have.

OOC:Fairly obvious what this is about. It will be an alliance of sorts. The only thing it will be about is limiting the use of WMDs. Simply I see so many nukes and such being fired that the world is currently a giant glass ball. No requirements whatsoever are necessary. You won't be required to help eachother out in wars, or to be friends with others in the alliance. It would not interfere in anyway with any other alliances.

The name is officialy Coalition Against Nukes

This is also officialy an OOC thread. Ideas people have suggested:

Create an Internation Fallout Clean-Up Group (Perhaps a couple thousand tonnes of Cheer Bright?)
Impose Tariffs upon nations using nuclear weapons like they do pistols
Keeping an eye or two on terrorist oraganizations, and very war-like nations with access to nuclear weaponry
A weapons registry, so as to regulate Nuclear weapons
Boycott Nuclear Arms selling storefronts
Investigate Nuclear Arms selling storefronts
Bribe Nuclear Arms selling storefronts (Buy out their rights to sell nuclear weapons)
To pay nations to destroy their nuclear weapons

The UDS generates so much money, that I could quite possibly pay one or two storefronts enough money to not sell nuclear weapons.

Interested/Joined nations:
Daiwiz
Jacobiania
Sarrowquand
Takaram
Hierphil
Avenio
Stoklomolvi (With changing to a really long name that won't fit in the threads name)
Gun Manufacturers
The Beatus (Assuming we change the policies to destroying all nuclear weapons)
AfrikaZkorps
Wolf Hold
Fictions
Belkeland (I think)

[OOC:Good luck. I attempted to start an international nuclear summit and interest was, well, minimal.]

OOC:I figured it would, although I have seen a few people that get pissed with nukes. So, I'm hoping they will see this thread, and get interested. It's also to share technology for destroying or otherwise incapacitating nuclear arsenals of warring nations.

OOC: yeah im interested, but, how would a nation join a group lacking a name. hmmm, for a name, i can suggest CAN, Coalition Against Nukes

OOC: I'll join. Give me an hour or so to draft an IC post.

edit:
Might be a better idea to have a treaty of such an such or a such an such accords about limiting nuclear weapons and imposing higher trade tariffs on those bearing nuclear arms: maybe an international fallout clean up group.

OOC: I'll join. I do like the tariff idea

http://i537.photobucket.com/albums/ff335/Sarrowquand/CoatofArms3.png

Once I was made aware of a new coalition intended to discourage nuclear proliferation without resorting to conflict I introduced a motion to the General Forum of Sarrowquand to join and help shape the coalition. The measure has passed with great success, truly the era of peace still dwells in the hearts of my people, and so it is with great pleasure that I tell you that the Dominion of Sarrowquand is willing to join your peaceful coalition against nuclear weapons.

Rebecca Silinky
1st Speaker of Sarrowquand

TO: All Interested

Regardless of the outcome of its current election, Hierphil will be pleased to join your coalition. That being said, I think that this coalition should pay attention to terrorist organizations like SCAR and unstable dictatorships like Xult and their relation to nuclear weaponry.

Kind regards,
Remus York, Prime Minister of Hierphil

OOC: I'll join, I think it will help everyone get along better, as there wouldn't be ridiculously large nuclear weapons being thrown around willy-nilly, and such weapons being used without just cause. ( I do like the tariff idea, but what about a weapons registry, sort of like a factbook for people who do want to have nuclear arsenals?)

OOC: what about trying to come up with a way to prevent stores from selling nukes?

OOC: Trying to stop stores from selling them might be challenging, as small nations try to arm themselves against larger ones, such as the incidents with Daniel's Island (as far as I could tell). What we could do is to set up a Coalition Against Nukes Official Store, (Nice name Jacobiania) so the inevitable sale of nuclear arms could go through safer channels.

To:Coalition Against Nukes
From: Democratic Republic of Takaram

The people of Takaram have long been concerned with the spread of nuclear weapons in the world, and would like to join you in an effort to cease the nuclear weapons trade.

High Councilor David Marshall

[OOC: Rename it to "Group of allied states against silly newbies who develop lots of nuclear weaponry and claim they're for peaceful purposes but eventually dismantle them" and maybe I'll join after the war. :p ]

OOC: It would be awkard for my country to be seen as helping to supply nuclear weapons through a CAN storefront that ironically sold nukes even if it was for the cause of greater security.

Perhaps we could threaten low level sanctions against nuke selling storefronts unless they agree to engage in minmum checks and investigations into where their weapons are going and how well maintained the weapons are.

Those that agreed could boast a CAN approved label for ethical supply.

[OOC: Rename it to "Group of allied states against silly newbies who develop lots of nuclear weaponry and claim they're for peaceful purposes but eventually dismantle them" and maybe I'll join after the war. :p ]

[OOC: G.A.S.A.S.N.W.D.L.N.W.C.T.P.P.E.D.T. Great acronym.]

OOC: Oh, can I join? ;)

OOC: The ethical label will probably work better, but do you think we could garner enough support to actualy make an economic sanction work?

OOC: The ethical label will probably work better, but do you think we could garner enough support to actualy make an economic sanction work?

Not in a million years.

Official Statement

While we applaud your goal of reducing nuclear weapons. We are sad to say, that we cannot join this organization, as it supports nuclear weapons as a viable weapon. The nations of the world must learn that nuclear weapons are never the answer, and that their simple existence poses a threat to world security. We are sorry, but, "slow the production of your nuclear arsenal, and promise yourselves you will not use them unless you have no choice!" is not acceptable to us. There is always a choice, and that choice should always be, to never build nuclear weapons in the first place. We can not support an agreement, that says it is okay, to make, and use nuclear weapons. We hope that you understand, and hope, that you may change your mind concerning the points we have outlined. Should they be changed, than we will be more than happy to join.

OOC: Beatus, I completely agree with you about complete nuclear disarmament, but I also think it is unreasonable to think that everyone will disarm just for the sake of peace. I think a more reasonable solution would be to regulate nuclear arms, and eventually, regulate their use, to better allow more peaceful interaction.

OOC: Beatus, I completely agree with you about complete nuclear disarmament, but I also think it is unreasonable to think that everyone will disarm just for the sake of peace. I think a more reasonable solution would be to regulate nuclear arms, and eventually, regulate their use, to better allow more peaceful interaction.

[OOC: OOCly I agree with you completely, however, ICly, the Beatus will not accept that. They have no intentions of saying that nuclear weapons are acceptable in any situation, for any reason.]

Not in a million years.

No one wants to lose customers.

ooc: no polocies have been decided yet. Join us in debate and exchange ideas before writing it off.

ooc: no polocies have been decided yet. Join us in debate and exchange ideas before writing it off.

[OOC: who was writing this off? If we had written this off, we would not have even commented. The fact that we made our statement, was our showing of interest. If there is to be some kind of IC meeting on this subject, where delegates can go to discuss a treaty, than, by all means we will send someone.]

OOC: being that storefronts just LOVE money we could (and thats a big could) pool money together and pay them to remove nuclear weapons from their threads, but i doubt that we could manage to get that much, being that nukes seem to sell the best and make more money than everything else sold combined. sooooooo... what i suggest is we boycott their stores, posting that we are in fact boycotting their stores and post clever phrases like "we CAN stop nuclear threats" we could do this frequently, not so much it is spam, but enough to disrupt the sales and annoy the heck out of stores. that, now that i think about it, could work quite well. if the storefront works with us we could endorse them, purchase their supply's and other things.

Ok, this is officialy an OOC thread. I will make another thread for Ambassadors to come together and such. Everyone, feel free to give all suggestions you possibly can.

Beatus: I said to "slow the production of your nuclear arsenal, and promise yourselves you will not use them unless you have no choice!" because many nations only go nuclear after they are being nuked or such. Also, most people would never comepletely destroy their nuclear arsenal.

This is absolutely ammaising. I never thought that there would be so much interest in such an endeavour.

OOC: I'm a nuclear weapon free nation (but a fascist dictatorship - ironic) and would be willing to encourage nations not to adopt nuclear weapons, but not by force.

OOC: I'm a nuclear weapon free nation (but a fascist dictatorship - ironic) and would be willing to encourage nations not to adopt nuclear weapons, but not by force.

I'm also a no-nuke nations (another possible slogan) and agree with you. Attacking a nation for getting nukes makes no sense.

I think that if we gain the support of most of the powerful world nations, we can, by "peer pressure" principles, force the storefronts to abide by our set regulations (but not militarily). Especially if we take a way critical customers if they fail to abide by the regulations.

And what about a universally accepted Nuclear Weapon Request Form. a comprehensive form to be filled out by each nation wishing to purchase nuclear weapons

Its a wonderful idea and I am in full support of the principle. (Hypocritical of me, consdiering I maintain a small nuclear stockpile) However if you try and take away nuclear weapons, people will only switch to Chemical, Biological or even weapons such as Falkasia WMD-1 God send. The fact is no matter what you do, WMD will always have a place in the NS world, be they nukes, Chemical, biological or some other weapon.

Also when you have nations like Angele selling nukes and I am pretty sure Allanea sells some nukes to(could be wrong), these stroe fronts are well established and bring in lots of money, asking them to make customers fill out a form would have the same affect as crying for the WA.

(OOC: I was considering doing something similar to this xD)

Ministry of foreign affairs official telegram
On behalf of the Nation of Fictions, we would like to make our full agreement to this coalition known. We have suffered at the hands of a nuclear strike despite the fact that as a nation we have never owned nor manufactured nuclear weapons.
We have stated that we are in full agreement with the ideas put forward we wish to make it quite clear that we do not wish to be dragged into any wars against possibly unstable nuclear weapons especially as we have a policy of non-intrusion, we mind our business if they mind theirs. Aside from this you have our full support.

True, good point. But what if we offered them incentive? like what if every member of the coalition will purchase from them at least once a month, RL. that way, they earn money as an incentive for following our procedures

Well I purchase from Angele (MAC heavy industries) Almost every week, albeit they arn't nukes I but, but frankly storefronts I don't see the appeal in such an offer, as they get enough business already and with the stok-GWo war heating up, the need for such weapons wil be high.

Thats all the more reason we need to help the storefronts regulate nukes then. If all their attention is on the stok-gwo war and the other wars going on, someone like Xult can slip under the radar and cause serious damage!

No offence if this Xult guy has and uses his nukes, He will either be A) Ignonred or B) Have every major power turn on him and have his nation glassed.

Nukes in NS are highly impractical as most uses fo nukes unless it is agrred OOCly by all parties will result in either of those actions.

Another thing: We shouldn't discriminate upon certain governments... Like a democracy with nukes should be considered just as likely to use nukes as any dictatorship, unless there are compelling circumstances, like their leader having schizophrenia or extreme paranoia and rashness.

Well, Belkaland only has 14 warheads, all 25MT, fitted to 2 specially-built ICBMs. All other ICBMs uses a non-nuclear warhead.

Another thing: We shouldn't discriminate upon certain governments... Like a democracy with nukes should be considered just as likely to use nukes as any dictatorship, unless there are compelling circumstances, like their leader having schizophrenia or extreme paranoia and rashness.

I agree, ideology seems a poor reason to discriminate. Who controls the weapons and what sort of safeguards there are seems more important.

i agreed completely and i think that its important to have a an equal voice in this coalition between dictatorships, monarchies, socialists, democracies, fascists, and any other government type as well

I also agree with the fact that it doesnt matter what type of government it is, it's the mans (or womans) principles.

As Wolf Hold pointed out, not many storefronts would agree to eliminating their sale of nuclear armaments. As he has also pointed out, people will turn to Bio-chemical weapons, diseases, and so on. This is a whole other kettle of fish, however. Bio weapons are rarely rarely used, and when they are they are either ignored, or do little damage in which case it's almost identical to playing the ignored card. Also, all Bio weapons have some way of being eliminated. For instance, a strand of Botox I came up with dies when a certain sound frequency is played within a 100 mile radius. This type self-destruct mechanism should be devised for all Bio weaps.

I will start up a new thread for IC talk and such. I will also add all of your names to those nations currently wishing to be involved.

I realize that few nations will comepletely destroy their nuclear stockpiles, and neither should they. Nuclear weapons are designed to be deterrents, not weapons. If they are properly used, stored, and maintained, they are nothing to worry about in the hands of a government that has a good head on its shoulders. However, as was pointed out above, if the leader has mental issues in which he is paranoid, schizophrenic, psychotic, bent on world destruction, and so on then they are something to worry about. Yet again, it all comes down to the leadership.

I agree that military action is not the proper choice. One reason why is that nations with nukes, when ganged up on, or on the verge of losing, will often do whatever they can to save themselves. This means unleashing every weapon they have, no matter how un-ethical.

Thank you all, I never knew so many nations would be interested in such an endeavour.

great points, i agree completely.

and btw for the record, not to sound like im defending him (for all i know he could pull the whole "i have nukes and theyre going to destroy your nation" n00b move) but i perceive Xult as the psycotic leader, not god modder. Just my personal perception. after all, his nation has never actually acquired nuclear weaponry (even in the middle of a nuclear god modding war) regardless of how hard they "tried" (ICly).

Many nations pull the nooby "I have nukes the size of da moon!So I'ma shootzorz you back to stone age! And make me new retreat outta your glassed nations! Muahahahha-cough cough" and it's really pathetic, and hilarious to watch the unending eating out of them until they finally remove and apologize. That, or leave and never come back which is what Juntastan did.

Ok, I've got the IC thread up and running right Here. (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=14580398#post14580398)

OOC: I see a dramatic increase in BI-Series Satellite sales in the near future.

Hehe, stop giving away my plan....

It's not really Nukes I'm against, it's more the way they are RPed. I wouldn't have a problem with them if they were RPed with proper thought gone into it on both the side of nuker and nukee. What I don't like is nukespam and "I lunch 100000 nukes at u!!1"

Anyone ever played a game called DEFCON? Its basically: Nuke the other guy to hell
That's the sort of thing I'm seeing and that's the sort of thing I don't like.

Of course there may be some people who RP nukes properly, who knows, it's just I have not seen them which is why I generalize it all.

You probably only Rp it properly once :)

WOuld members nations be permitted to keep their own Nuclear stockpile, for Detterent, self-defense means?

OOC i'll join :)

WOuld members nations be permitted to keep their own Nuclear stockpile, for Detterent, self-defense means?

I suggest that we allow members who want to keep a small nuclear stockpile as non-permanent members as long as they sign a declaration against selling nuclear weapons technology to third parties or increasing their stockpile.

It might also depend on the size and number of weapons in question.

On the upside the increased knowledge of nuclear weapons that these states possess would be usefull for putting together CAN disposal teams.

Yep, you would be allowed Battlehawk. I for one, keep a small nuclear stockpile of 10 Nuclear warheads. Just don't have as many as the US. Also, you wouldn't be allowed to make the first strike, it would be simply a deterrent. As was said by Sarrowquand, it would also depend on the size of said weapons.

ooc: I would join but NPS is my major income source and exporter, and they are partners with M.A.C which sells nukes.Nachmere will probably not develop nukes, unless i gain some very scarry nuke armed opponent. I hope i dont...

I'm interested in joining. I just want to see how things are going to develop and then I'll join.

Alright, by the way everyone, this thread is for OOC only. The IC thread is here. (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=14580398#post14580398)

Daiwiz, I wasn't serious about joining. I was just making a joking reference to the illegal arms thread I'm hosting, that you got involved in. Hence the smiley at the end of my post.

ah, sorry. I was tired when I put that in lol.