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The Grand Army of the Khan

For many centuries, the Khanate has had a lose military way, more like Paramilitary or militia style. even through now, Ayame Khan is starting a more Centralized ground force and starfleet to combat the terror of Piracy and the Threat of The Evil Terran Federation.

The Grand Army is also a answer to the rise of Warrior Clans, who have armies and fleets of their own. The Grand Army will make sue that civil war would not start.

Armor:

Male Armor
http://princearmory.com/images/P/Lion_Armor___Complete_by_Azmal2.jpg

Female Armor
http://princearmory.com/images/P/dragon%20armor24_med.jpg

Jal-Gai Marine Armor
http://img369.imageshack.us/img369/8895/femalefissure1fo.jpg

Miko Armor 1
http://i39.tinypic.com/2ey876g.png

Human Cimmarian Samurai in Armor.
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3469/3239993830_8dc306a2c2.jpg

More to come.

Continued

Dalkunian Armor
http://roeljovellanos.com/cblog/uploads/characters/BruteDragonArmor.serendipityThumb.jpg

Vixenian Armor
http://www.fantasy-armor.com/images/armors/AE1422.jpg

Lupian Armor
http://www.fantasy-armor.com/images/armors/AE1433.jpg

Mandalorian Style Armor
http://rpggamer.org/shippics/mandalorianarmour.jpg

Hyperborian Clone Trooper
http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1048/555682738_c5d5a373c1.jpg?v=0

OOC: any Comment?

OOC: i doubt that metal armor and non-ranged weapons in FT would be at all effective.

ooc
with the right kind of shielding its possible(Dune type maybe?)
Also yeah for guild wars.

OOC: a List of Weapons will be up as soon as I can

OoC: Holtzman shields + Laser = Death

That is if we're talking about an exact copy of them.

ooc
with the right kind of shielding its possible(Dune type maybe?)
Also yeah for guild wars.

Bomb pumped laserheads ftw.

Female Armor
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You're not actually suggesting that someone wear that into combat are you? There is no coverage of the heart or lungs.

Last time I checked, when you get shot in the heart or lungs, its very bad. And the would restrict the range of motion and field of vision, which are important in combat.

You're better off just shooting anybody you try to send into combat wearing that. Saves time.

Every single piece of your full body Armour looks extremely out of place in a FT war environment, instead of going fancy you need to go practical.

Even my knights only wear Armour over the torso, anything else would hinder the effectiveness of them.

Every single piece of your full body Armour looks extremely out of place in a FT war environment, instead of going fancy you need to go practical.

Even my knights only wear Armour over the torso, anything else would hinder the effectiveness of them.

It works as a weapon of terror if that's your sort of thing, also the decoration at least makes things less plain.

He could also have the Gh'ould thing from Stargate going. See one of those things marching at you with weapons of massive death in a primitive culture, or even amongst civilians, and they're bound to run screaming!

Also, The Hyperborians use Terror as a weapon, their War Beasts are terrifying to anyone, even advanced Cultures. (aka, seeing a Giant Cobra-like Snake coming out of the ground spraying firey Acid is scary.) even a few of their War Droids can incite Terror.

Also, the Hyperborians decorate their Ground Vehicles with the heads of enemy soldiers and worse yet, They do not Surrender, and they will not let a enemy surrender, they fight to the death.

Also, The Hyperborians use Terror as a weapon, their War Beasts are terrifying to anyone, even advanced Cultures. (aka, seeing a Giant Cobra-like Snake coming out of the ground spraying firey Acid is scary.) even a few of their War Droids can incite Terror.

Also, the Hyperborians decorate their Ground Vehicles with the heads of enemy soldiers and worse yet, They do not Surrender, and they will not let a enemy surrender, they fight to the death.

OOC: Massive cliche.

OOC: What kind of metal are your armours made of? Iron, steel, copper, Ferrous or non-ferrous? Just out of interest.

I'm not an FT player, but I would think that air power would be devastating against a large block of slow moving armoured infantry. You have a company of armoured warriors who don't surrender. I have three bombers. Who wins?

I'm not an FT player, but I would think that air power would be devastating against a large block of slow moving armoured infantry. You have a company of armoured warriors who don't surrender. I have three bombers. Who wins?

OOC: Shuush! Pointing out the obvious flaws in a marauding powerful empire bent on conquering the galaxy will doom us all! We must keep these flaws to ourselves untill the final confrontation when we unleash specially tailored weapons to their flaws!

I'm not an FT player, but I would think that air power would be devastating against a large block of slow moving armoured infantry. You have a company of armoured warriors who don't surrender. I have three bombers. Who wins?

Whose to say they don't have airplanes. o.O

I'm not an FT player, but I would think that air power would be devastating against a large block of slow moving armoured infantry. You have a company of armoured warriors who don't surrender. I have three bombers. Who wins?
Whose to say they don't have airplanes. o.O

Aeroplanes or no, this is FT. 3 bombers might get taken down. I have 3 Dreadnoughts with pin-point accurate orbital bombardment cannons aiming at your soldier's bald patches. Who wins?

"pin-point accurate orbital bombardment cannons" just spells bullshit in my opinion. There is nothing that can be 100% accurate 100% of the time. Nothing. It is mathematically impossible.

That being said, you're both dodging my little scenario in which I place a block of his men there and three of my planes [could be even Lancaster bombers] to bomb them. Regardless of how fancy his armour is, it's still not going to work.

"pin-point accurate orbital bombardment cannons" just spells bullshit in my opinion. There is nothing that can be 100% accurate 100% of the time. Nothing. It is mathematically impossible.

That being said, you're both dodging my little scenario in which I place a block of his men there and three of my planes [could be even Lancaster bombers] to bomb them. Regardless of how fancy his armour is, it's still not going to work.

Fair enough. Not pinpoint, but accurate enough to hit a block of troops.

And I was agreeing with you, really. Metallic armor is obsolete in FT. And with shielding, its not so much body armor as it is a Mecha. Think about it, Steppe, metal armors had trouble dealing with musket rounds. Against lasers, bombs and all the othe fun stuff you'll no doubt have coming your way in FT, it would be the equivalent of a bunker buster hitting a turtle.

Fair enough. Not pinpoint, but accurate enough to hit a block of troops.

And I was agreeing with you, really. Metallic armor is obsolete in FT. And with shielding, its not so much body armor as it is a Mecha. Think about it, Steppe, metal armors had trouble dealing with musket rounds. Against lasers, bombs and all the othe fun stuff you'll no doubt have coming your way in FT, it would be the equivalent of a bunker buster hitting a turtle.

Except that musket rounds were dealing with relatively primitive iron/steel, after all the armor back then was only designed to deal with swords and arrows. Now a days we have Kevlar and other substances that can stop a bullet (or at least stop a lot of bullets and slow them down enough that it improves a person's chance of surviving). In the future where people have lasers, plasma rounds, rail canons and what not, it's likely the technology of protecting your soldiers will improve as well. Whether that's advanced ceramic armor, personal shields, or (in my case) advanced super metals, is up to the player to decide what type of technology his people have.

Except that musket rounds were dealing with relatively primitive iron/steel, after all the armor back then was only designed to deal with swords and arrows. Now a days we have Kevlar and other substances that can stop a bullet (or at least stop a lot of bullets and slow them down enough that it improves a person's chance of surviving). In the future where people have lasers, plasma rounds, rail canons and what not, it's likely the technology of protecting your soldiers will improve as well. Whether that's advanced ceramic armor, personal shields, or (in my case) advanced super metals, is up to the player to decide what type of technology his people have.

I'm too tired to argue my case properly right now.
But basically, as far as I can tell, the armor is for scare tactics rather than purpose. The stylistic armor would just prohibit movement and slow the troops down, unless you have some kind of mercury-like substance held in a field around the body or something, but that wouldn't stop anything very well I'd imagine. Some kind of advanced armored BDU with a scary helmet would be more effective for cost/effectiveness and weight I'd imagine. But I don't really know much techy stuff, jus' saying what I think sounds about right.

Also, The Hyperborians use Terror as a weapon, their War Beasts are terrifying to anyone, even advanced Cultures. (aka, seeing a Giant Cobra-like Snake coming out of the ground spraying firey Acid is scary.) even a few of their War Droids can incite Terror.

Also, the Hyperborians decorate their Ground Vehicles with the heads of enemy soldiers and worse yet, They do not Surrender, and they will not let a enemy surrender, they fight to the death.

Terror tends to wear off when the enemy sees your OMG teh scariez "armored" warriors get cut to pieces because their armor is designed to be scary, not protective.

Terror tends to wear off when the enemy sees your OMG teh scariez "armored" warriors get cut to pieces because their armor is designed to be scary, not protective.

I told him the same thing.

Although it was more 'less terror and more, shooting fish in a barrels kind of game,' except the fish are dressed as Onis and rushing at ya.

Back when armies were a bunch of peasants with pitchforks yeah terror was a great weapon, but in FT most armies are professionals and have most likely fought aliens sometime in their existence.

My Armour which is simply ODST Halo Armour for my legions which is more practical, make your starships bring fear if you really want that.

You're not actually suggesting that someone wear that into combat are you? There is no coverage of the heart or lungs.

Last time I checked, when you get shot in the heart or lungs, its very bad. And the would restrict the range of motion and field of vision, which are important in combat.

You're better off just shooting anybody you try to send into combat wearing that. Saves time.

OOC: When you're using medieval plate armour I doubt it matters what it covers, you're dead when a railgun slug hits you all the same.

Not that he's the only one guilty of doing this of course. The number of people you see around here wielding weapons and armour obsolete by modern standards, let alone future standards, is absurd... so we probably shouldn't victimise Steppe alone.

It is what The Hyperborians have and it has worked for them. Also, Hyperborian Army is made of a Diamond-Boron Alloy, the same alloy that Hyperborian Ship Armor is made of. It is stronger then steal or plasiarmor

It is what The Hyperborians have and it has worked for them.

who have they been fighting, primitive tribes using weapons made from rocks? This stuff wouldn't be effective against a PMT or MT army, much less an FT one.

Terror tends to wear off when the enemy sees your OMG teh scariez "armored" warriors get cut to pieces because their armor is designed to be scary, not protective.
I'm still trying to figure out how I'm supposed to take the feamale armros seriously.
A woman aproaching, at any speed and wielding any sort of weapon, with exposed throat, breast, and legs is pretty much dressing them to get fucked in their armor.

The helmets on all just seem low-tech and horridly out of place on any battlefield, the spiked pickelhelm of Austria is more terrifying.

Dalkunian Armor: Completely unprotected groin, before the use of bridges, this wasn't such a big deal, later, some inventive pikemen learned to stab their crotches through the floorboards. Ornate shoulder pads make excellent shot-traps.

Lupian Armor: Buckles are not armor, a stab would go right through, a slash would damage and potentially cut the bindings loose.

Cimmarian Samurai: Again, unprotected groin, lower abdomen, and arms. Assuming helmet not pictured and she let her hair grow-out during peacetime or else she will get raped, no exceptions.

Miko Armor: Fishnet is not armor, and if it's high tensile steel or whatnot, you'd cut yourself by walking. As for the chest, see Lupian armor criticisms. I really wouldn't consider this an armor, nor would I consider this safe for use in space or any FT enviroment.

Jal-Gai Marine: The fact that this one shows the least BS is not a good thing. The tac-shield is nice, but poorly shaped and offering poor coverage at best. The marine appears well-armored throughout up top the neckline, after which point the body appears quite exposed. Not sure about the cape. Like al these armores though, it likely wouldn't stand a chance once they open fire.

Maldorian armor: Assuming the title is implying a direct technology-rip from Mal's MT Special-Forces armor, is extremely old tech for FT, it is not rated too well against FT weapons, though it provides good limited resistance against MT/PMT weapons, its biggest advantage was its in-built NBC/vacume and C3 capabilities, which in FT, will again, be insanely easy to jam, and may not have sufficient range to be worthwhile.
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As for the Hyperborian Clone Armor, I'd suggest you research WHY samurai armors were slab sided, and their many shortcomings when applied on a modern battlefield.
It wasn't because it looked cool, but was because of the limitations of the armor construction due to the choice in building materials (bamboo splints woven into hard mats and lashed onto a flexible overgarment, while the soldier also wore undergarments to protect from abrasion).

Anyways, since FT, I'll direct you to Project Rho
Suits (http://www.projectrho.com/rocket/rocket3m.html)
Sidearms (http://www.projectrho.com/rocket/rocket3l.html)*
Other equipment (http://www.projectrho.com/rocket/rocket3ak.html)

*The rule of cool allows the use of fanciful cross-draw holsters.
Nick Derington mentions that goggles are used on the International Space Station to protect the eyes from debris floating in free fall. You do NOT want metal shaving getting into your eyes. This hazard was discovered by the original Salyut and Mir cosmonauts, the hard way.

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I think you're putting to much thought into your posts considering who you are trying to give advice to.

OOC: Dalkunian Armor is made for Dalkunians, a Non Corporeal race that lives in that Armor, mainly Officers and Heavy Troopers, their main weapons are Plasma Flamethrowers and Gatling Lasers.

OOC: Dalkunian Armor is made for Dalkunians, a Non Corporeal race that lives in that Armor, mainly Officers and Heavy Troopers, their main weapons are Plasma Flamethrowers and Gatling Lasers.

Lasers do not work that way.

Any laser system that would be man portable, would have to be held on target for quite sometime. So a high ROF laser would merely give someone a minor sunburn.

It is like a Repeating blaster.

It is like a Repeating blaster.

Plasma is fail. Unless you press the barrel directly against the target, all you've done is fire a puff of gas.

I RP my things my way so you can keep out of my business

I RP my things my way so you can keep out of my business

I'm not the one messing with your business. Physics is.

Plasma is fail. Unless you press the barrel directly against the target, all you've done is fire a puff of gas.

Unless your race is advanced enough with plasma technology that they can induce the plasma bolt to undergo a dynamo effect like the Sertian's, the bolt's rotation generating a magnetic field that keeps it contained and spinning, which in turn keeps the magnetic field going, which allows the plasma bolt to last long enough in an atmosphere to be a viable weapon. :P

Unless your race is advanced enough with plasma technology that they can induce the plasma bolt to undergo a dynamo effect like the Sertian's, the bolt's rotation generating a magnetic field that keeps it contained and spinning, which in turn keeps the magnetic field going, which allows the plasma bolt to last long enough in an atmosphere to be a viable weapon. :P

See below

I'm not the one messing with your business. Physics is.

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=471846&page=38 <--- best place for this folks

*Shrugs* Believe what you will, but there's different ways to make plasma weapons viable, even if you don't agree with the dynamo effect that I use for my plasma bolts.

Given his use of plasma and lasers, he could use a combination weapon that uses a laser to create a vacuum, then firing a plasma bolt at a fast enough speed that the blooming effect isn't an issue.

Then again, he could REALLY piss physics off and say it's dark energy infused plasma or what not and has special properties that make it stick to itself rather than disperse. x3

*Shrugs* Believe what you will, but there's different ways to make plasma weapons viable, even if you don't agree with the dynamo effect that I use for my plasma bolts.

Given his use of plasma and lasers, he could use a combination weapon that uses a laser to create a vacuum, then firing a plasma bolt at a fast enough speed that the blooming effect isn't an issue.

Then again, he could REALLY piss physics off and say it's dark energy infused plasma or what not and has special properties that make it stick to itself rather than disperse. x3

Too make a vacuum out far enough to make a plasma weapon feasable would require more energy than anything even remotely man portable could ever produce.

I think you're putting to much thought into your posts considering who you are trying to give advice to.
True, but then again, a post without thought is just spam.

Anyways:
As for the "gatling-laser" if explosively-pumped, it would make sense, as the explosive charges would have to be chambered for safe detonation and efficient energy transfer to the lasing-gas.

This, however, would cause notable blast, and potentially significant recoil.

But past simply compared to a more conventional repeating mechanism, or even a militrouse/pepperbox layout, a gat seems rather overdone.

Shrugs* Believe what you will, but there's different ways to make plasma weapons viable, even if you don't agree with the dynamo effect that I use for my plasma bolts.
Begone! "Science will send you back to hell!" (http://www.hookiedookiepanic.com/geist/comic.php?ID=26)

Now for why I just did that to you (http://www.stardestroyer.net/Empire/Essays/PlasmaWeapons.html)

A) I just absolutely love that comic, really, I'm gonna bookmark the darn thing now. XD

B) I do have to point out that the article you linked was talking about plasma weapons in Scifi's seen on TV and other such shows, not specifically plasma weapons entirely. However, I'm wondering if the Sertian plasma weapons are technically particle beams or plasma weapons - either way I can safely call them plasma since, even if it is a particle beam (or a particle bolt), it's still composed of plasma. Something to muse on I suppose.

lol

lol

No. No lol for you. Go back to you're corner.

No. No lol for you. Go back to you're corner.

lol :P

lol :P
plx ignr bin's crpy speeling.

I've seen worse.

A) I just absolutely love that comic, really, I'm gonna bookmark the darn thing now. XD
It's made of 96% pure "badger in my pants" crazy.
Kinda like the plasma that fails to conform with the lawls of thermodynamics.

1st and 2nd laws in particular.
However, there is no law stating you can't stockpile it, just be prepared for a backlash (examples being capacitors, food, heat-sinks, fuels, and refridgeration units).

But the sort answer is that the bolt won't spin forever, and chances are you'd be throwing these slugs of plasma at C-frac, similar to a burst from a particle (http://www.projectrho.com/rocket/rocket3x.html#particle)-beam (http://www.projectrho.com/rocket/rocket3l.html#particlebeam). Things get fugly when it hits matter though.

This is why I just stick to move futuristic guns, same thing just designed to be more efficient and blended with FT technology :P

Besides when you look at it from a Sci-Fi view bullets are quicker then most of the conventional lasers anyway, making it a much more effective weapon. I only use blasters and such for my ships and even then not without a arsenal of Missiles and Torpedo's.

It does not sound as cool as lasers but at least I don't have to explain how it works.

Besides when you look at it from a Sci-Fi view bullets are quicker then most of the conventional lasers anyway, making it a much more effective weapon.
...You do know how unbelievably stupid that statement was, yes?

What about that thing they use in the Forever War, where most electronics were completed shorted out due to something (didn't really pay attention to the scientific facts) and they were forced to use only metal weapons, and this was like in 2400 year earth or something like that.

...You do know how unbelievably stupid that statement was, yes?

It's still true for most science fiction shows though.

Uh, those aren't "lasers," for lasers would be just that; a laser. It take virtually no time at all to reach from one place to another, since light travels much, much, much, much faster than a bullet can ever possibly travel. What's the average muzzle velocity of a rifle? Around, say, 400-800 m/s, depending on type and model? Light travels at nearly 300,000,000 m/s. Comparable? Probably not.

...You do know how unbelievably stupid that statement was, yes?

Lasers (in a SCI-FI sense, remember that genius) also tend to burn which would treat the very wound it created, meaning that any wound it made would be superficial and would most likely not result in death.

Bullets and Guns are simply more practical as a realistic weapon.

Yea, a superficial wound through the lung, get a band-aid and patch it right up.

Also, folks, we don't have to be entirely realistic here. We have beings made out of energy, lightsabers, and FTl drives. So seriously, you can cut the fine edge crap on dealing with realistic tech unless the person claims to have such tech. Also, the FT arguments thread is better for this kind of stuff.

Yea, a superficial wound through the lung, get a band-aid and patch it right up.

I'd like to see laser punch a hole through someone's chest, even in a Sci-Fi context. He's saying that a laser would cauterize the wound and only burn off the flesh. A bullet would be much harder to treat than a burn any day of the week.

I'd like to see laser punch a hole through someone's chest, even in a Sci-Fi context. He's saying that a laser would cauterize the wound and only burn off the flesh. A bullet would be much harder to treat than a burn any day of the week.

Funnily enough, that's exactly what a laser weapon would do. The rapid heating of the body tissue would cause extremely rapid evaporation of the water in the tissue: a steam explosion. It would blow a hole in someone just as effectively as a large-calibre bullet.

Lasers (in a SCI-FI sense, remember that genius) also tend to burn which would treat the very wound it created, meaning that any wound it made would be superficial and would most likely not result in death.

Bullets and Guns are simply more practical as a realistic weapon.
Hardly. A pulse laser, which you'd want to use to avoid thermal bloom anyhow, would cause a nice little explosion at the point of impact as it turns a significant portion of the target into rapidly expanding vapor. See this. (http://www.projectrho.com/rocket/rocket3l.html#laserpistol)

Of course, even a heat-ray laser (non-pulsed) is going to cause some pretty nifty damage, especially if you have high beam-spread: Fourth degree burns across your entire body are great fun, especially when the beam just caused your eyes to explode in their sockets.

A bullet would be much harder to treat than a burn any day of the week.
ORLY. (http://uuhsc.utah.edu/burncenter/emergencycare/treatment.html)

Have to completely agree with Otagia - Burns are Much harder to treat than GSW. Personal expereince speaking