Stratorian slaves store
OOC: This is a thread I made a decent while ago, I just though I might put it back up now that I am back.
In Strator, all major offenses previously given a capital punishments (such as talking too loud, looking lost and murder) have been re-evaluated. It is now deemed more beneficial to society if these persons serve a rehabilitation sentence of hard labor for no pay. Sentences are generally dealt out by the court. Due to overpopulation, there is now a shortage of land and food and too many persons to be put into rehabilitation. As such it has been decided to sell these "Slaves" to other nations.
Sections
1) Slaves
2) Compliance devices
3) Slave food
4) Special offers
1) Slaves
Male slaves
Good condition (6-7 foot, 90-120KG) X 1: US $ 2000
Okay Condition (5'6"-6 foot, 90- 150KG) X 1: US $ 1000
Bad Condition (5-6 foot, 70- 170KG) X 1: US $ 500
Educated, Agriculture X 1: US $ 1000
Educated, Science X 1: US $ 300
Educated, Leisure (Butlers, Doormen) X 1: US $ 300
Female slaves
Good condition (5'6"-6 foot, 60- 75KG) X 1: US $ 1500
Trained, Nurse X 1: US $ 750
Trained, Arts X 1: US $ 300
Sick slaves
Male X 1: US $ 500
Female X 1: US $ 350
2) Compliance devices
Shackles X 100: US $ 150
Whips X 100: US $ 75
Cat of nine tails X 100: US $ 200
Assorted torture device pack: US $ 200
3) Slave food
Gruel X 500 servings: US $ 1000
Bread X 500 servings: US $ 1000
M.U.R.K (Mixed Unidentified Road Kill) X 500 servings: US $ 500
4) Special offers
Genetics: Get any one slave enhanced or altered:
Genetic enhancements + cloning: get all slaves stronger and bigger = 45% more than original
Altering: get any slave with plastic surgery and/ or hair, eye and skin colour changing = depends on operations
Neural Toxins (100x Injections): $500
*Slave buyers card* (get 50,000 units of M.U.R.K with all of your next orders for every purchase over $100,000. MUST BE OBTAINED ALONGSIDE A $1000 OR MORE PURCASE): $1000
Kraveska
25-02-2009, 14:12
I think that some of this is crossing the line between prisoner labor and slavery.
OOC: Your prices are too low.
IC:
Official Announcement of the Allanean Government
We recommend you cease business operations in this store.[
Etoile Arcture
25-02-2009, 14:51
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Diplomatic Directorate - Official Communiqué
From: Dr. Michiko Flax, Director General, Diplomatic Directorate of the Unitary Technocracy of Etoile Arcture
To: Strator govewrnment
Classification: Open, public release
Subject: Slave trading activities
The Unitary Technocracy deplores in the strongest terms the opening of this "slaves store". We further condemn a thinly disguised attempt to resume historic trade slaving activities under the guise of a legal punishment as being cruel and unusual punishment and an affront to human rights.
While it is not our desire to interfere in the internal affairs of another soveriegn state, the exceptional nature of the abuses occuring in Strator force us to speak out and petition members of the international community to do likewise and condemn both this "slaves store" and the practice of slavery in Strator.
I also ask any nation with diplomatic relations with Strator to put pressure on its government to cease these abhorent and inhumane activities.
/signed/ Michiko Flax
Latransylvania
25-02-2009, 14:52
Official Statement of the People's Democratic Republic
Again the fascists, capitalists humans show their true faces with the enslaving of the workers. We condemn this store, and hope the workers can liberate themselves from the Stratorian tyranny.
Signed,
Mikhail Stalin
General Secretary of The Communist Party of Latransylvania
To: Strator
from: Jala Soma
our nation would like to buy all of the slaves you have in stock
we will send a cheque.
OOC: we are just going to set them free anyways
Official statement from the Kingdom of Bardar;
As a nation on the frontlines in the battle against slavery the Kingdom can't allow this practice be reborn in the disguise of criminal justice. The Kingdom of Bardar is working hard to eradicate the custom of slaver on our own territory, and the Kingdom must in this case strongly condemn and warn the nation of Strator. The Kingdom suggest the nation of Strator revive the natural and just death penalty to ease pressure from over crowded prisons.
Asmolach II, Prime Minister of Bardar, Patriarch of the Church of Bardar.
South Defese
25-02-2009, 22:38
Czerka Corperation
This presents a fantastic opprotinity to gain a huge amount of profits from the mine shafts we have discovered in the mountains.
We will take 500 male slaves in good condition, along with Assorted torture device pack.
We hope business can be done fast and effeciently.
OOC: Czerka works in North and South Defese, and is in no way affiliated with the goverments.
Techno-Soviet
25-02-2009, 22:56
OOC: You're not making a profit. Jack your prices up some (read: a lot).
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The United Socialist States of the Techno-Soviet
The Technocratic Council
While we're entirely against slavery and capitalism in general, we must say that we were expecting the prices to be a bit more...substantial. However, we remain neutral on the matter, seeing as you have almost no business in this trade.
Finally, we'd like to buy the following:
- 10,000,000 injections.
Combined Total: $5,000,000,000 (Five billion USD)
We'd like to pay for these injections using our healthcare budget, as that will be their primary use.
Third Spanish States
25-02-2009, 23:08
4096 bits encrypted message
From: House of Sodom purchase department
To: Stratorian slaves store
Subject: Purchase request
The House of Sodom would like to purchase 200 shackles for $300 and 200 whips for $150. We will wire $450 as soon as our request is confirmed.
(OOC: If you don't know why they are buying this stuff, don't ask :P)
Techno-Soviet
25-02-2009, 23:08
ooc: D:
Ralkovia
25-02-2009, 23:22
To: Strator
From: The Commission on Special Labor (IN YEMEN)
The Colonial Government of Yemen is rebuilding its infastructure. With $800 billion dollars allocated from the Ralkovian government we are in need of special labor serveces. We would like to purchase 300,000,000 Male Slaves in good condition along with 100,000,000 Female slaves of good condition.
Should this be to much please notify us immediately. Transportation will be funded by the Ralkovian government as well.
Thank you very much,
President Lind Taylor, Head of the Commision of Special Labors
~Und l Imperii Servium
(The money comes from my Law and Order budget and trade surplus.)
East Congaree
25-02-2009, 23:35
To: The Strator Department of Foriegn Affairs
From: East Congaree Executive Office
We'd like to buy 100,000 of your buck niggers in good condition.
-Reginald Deere
South Defese
25-02-2009, 23:36
Czerka Corperation
We would like to change our offer, we will buy 1,000 male slaves in good condition, along with 1,500 shackles.
OOC:
To Ralkovia:
To: Strator
300,000,000 Male Slaves in good condition along with 100,000,000 Female slaves of good condition.
My population is only 2 billion
To anyone who would care to read this:
and given the input, I shall be adjusting the prices, if this changes anybody's mind, then... too bad.
To Czerka Corperation:
Order accepted, shipment will begin as soon as you wire a sum of $2.225 m.
To Techno-Soviet:
Order accepted, shipment will begin as soon as the money is wired.
To House of Sodom, Third Spanish States:
Order accepted, shipment will begin as soon as the money is wired. It is also requested that you give us an encryption key when sending us encrypted messages. It took our best supercomputers a decent amount of time to decrypt your message.
(OOC: considering nowadays we don't have the technology to easily break a 128 bit encryption, this is fairly unrealistic.)
To East Congaree:
Strator is a country of Scandinavian and Slavic ethnic groups and very tight immigration laws. I am afraid we cannot fulfill your request of African slaves.
To Jalanat:
These people must pay their debt to society, and as such, we cannot knowingly sell them to a nation whom would absolve them immediately.
OOC: Wow, nobody mentioned the fact that one of the crimes punishable by slavery is talking too loud.
Serbian_Soviet_Union
26-02-2009, 11:35
OOC: By anychance can i purchass all the slaves your nation has in stock so that my nation can give them a normal life, a home, money, freedom, and give them the FSSU citizenship so that they can live a normal life instead of using them for human trafficking for slave labor?
Serbian_Soviet_Union
26-02-2009, 11:45
OOC: I don't understand why so much money is being spent on slave labor, clonning and human trafficking at the expense on human beings and life. Why not create robbots, robbots that are programmed to be slave, that can do just about anything at a 10 times faster and 10 times more efficient than what humans would be able to do and achieve?? It would be so much cheaper to produce yet your nation can sell them on the international market at a bigger price, more and more nations would be interested, and there would be no international condemnation, criticism and accusing your nation of breaching human rights.
Crookfur
26-02-2009, 13:10
OOC: I don't understand why so much money is being spent on slave labor, clonning and human trafficking at the expense on human beings and life. Why not create robbots, robbots that are programmed to be slave, that can do just about anything at a 10 times faster and 10 times more efficient than what humans would be able to do and achieve?? It would be so much cheaper to produce yet your nation can sell them on the international market at a bigger price, more and more nations would be interested, and there would be no international condemnation, criticism and accusing your nation of breaching human rights.
OOC:
Because such Robots wouldn't be cheaper but would be considerably more expensive (i.e. in the 10s of millions of dollars region). Now you can build a robot designed to do one single repetitiive task quickly and efficently that would be affordable but adding more tasks and adaptibility would increase the price exponetially. Adaptable robots are very much on the PMT/FT border.
IC:
The Nation of Strator has long been black listed by the Crookfur government and wholey condemed and this recent reappaerance merely serves as an opertunity to remind people of this.
Any Statorian vessels found in the North Atlantic will be boarded and impounded by the Crookfur Royal navy with thier crews being liabel for prosectution.
On a related note the Crookfur descrete adult practices society has issued a warning to all its memebers to be on the look out for any Stratorian made items as they have been found to be of remarkably shoddy manufacture and not worth even the ludicrously low prices charged for them.
Etoile Arcture
26-02-2009, 14:13
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Diplomatic Directorate - Official Communiqué
From: Dr. Michiko Flax, Director General, Diplomatic Directorate of the Unitary Technocracy of Etoile Arcture
To: International community
Classification: Open, public release
Subject: Slavery and human trafficking by Strator
The Unitary Technocracy has observed the disgusting, blatant and reprehensible trafficing in human beings being conducted by numerous states with the government of Strator. We are further disheartened by a largely muted response to these events from the international community, aside from the unilateral declaration made by the Protectorate of Lyras on this matter.
* Full text of Lyran ultimatum to Strator: http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=584876
It is our position that at present military action should be a very last resort, and furthermore, recognise that any blockade would also be on shaky legal grounds. Nonetheless, the Unitary Technocracy declares that any Strator vessels found in international waters, especially patrol areas of the Etoile Arcture Maritime Forces in the Pacific Ocean, will be interdicted, boarded and searched. Should any slaves be found on any such vessels they will be siezed, the crews prosecuted according to international laws, and any victims of slavery offered aid and support from the Etoile Arcture state.
We ask other like-minded nations to step up naval patrols in their own territories, being especially on the lookout for any vessels of Strator origin. Through this cooperation we hope to stem or even halt the trafficing of human beings across international borders. The Unitary Technocracy also declares the imposition of sanctions on Strator, to wit the embargo of any and all goods going to or coming from Strator, and ask the international community to do likewise.
/signed/ Michiko Flax
Ulanpataar
26-02-2009, 14:42
OOC: 5-6 foot, 70- 170KG? That is a confusing mix of both systems, I think you want to change around the weights a bit too.
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The Liberation of the Pataari group strongly abhors such a practice, and hopes for it not to spread through the world. The HIVE, however, sees this as an opportunity to use on the factories that have less willing men to operate now that a war is going on. For this they desire to make a purchase, along with a business opportunity.
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[Encryption - Medium*]
To: Strator
From: Pataari Trade Master 26, of Labour and Agriculture Division of the HIVE (Master26@HIVE.co.ul)
Re: 'Slaves'
We love the potential for your business, and we wish to open some trade with you. We offer you the PY Prisoners that we have captured over the course of this month that we don't wish to handle. The Grand Master, Pataari Trade Master 1, wishes to buy 40 Good condition female slaves at the price of 60,000 USD. But with the PY men we give you I think the price should be lowered,don't you think so?
[end message]
*By Pataari standards...
OOC: uhm strator, that freeing part was OOC your nation cannot possibly know that if it was an ooc message :@
Official Statement from the Kingdom of Bardar;
The Kingdom won't stay silent when this kind of break against international decency is going on openly. Slavery is an uncivilized act that has no place in the modern society, a return to such savagery threaten to undermine our own anti-slavery campaign int the Kingdom of Bardar. The Kingdom therefor urge the nation of Strator to immidiately cease this backward campaign or face an oil embargo from the Kingdom of Bardar.
Asmolach II, Prime Minister of Bardar, Patriarch of the Church of Bardar.
Linker Niederrhein
26-02-2009, 15:29
OOC: I don't understand why so much money is being spent on slave labor, clonning and human trafficking at the expense on human beings and life. Why not create robbots, robbots that are programmed to be slave, that can do just about anything at a 10 times faster and 10 times more efficient than what humans would be able to do and achieve?? It would be so much cheaper to produce yet your nation can sell them on the international market at a bigger price, more and more nations would be interested, and there would be no international condemnation, criticism and accusing your nation of breaching human rights.Forget machines. A much better question would be why one would go with slaves when hiring free workers is substantially more efficient since They're much higher motivated, having the opportunity to earn more for working harder; slaves on the other hand, with 'Flat' wages (Food and shelter) have an interest in working as little as possible
Free workers can be laid off when business is poor; no investment made into them. Bought slaves on the other hand, have an initial investment in the 10- 100 k € made into them, you don't really let such an investment starve to death unless you want to go broke in an instantThis being, of course, why slavery died with the onset of capitalism IRL; exceptions being sex slavery (On a very minor scale), slavery not involving much of an initial investment (Belgian Congo), and societies where capitalism just plain didn't take a hold (Say, Sudan).
Even worse, buying slaves amounts to, in essence, allowing a ton of immigrants into your country, which aren't just said to take native labour - no, they're actually doing it, but unlike normal immigrants, they aren't going to give a whole lot back to the economy, since they hardly profit from their labour.
This, coupled with substantial parts of the native workforce now being unemployed, is nothing less than a receipe for first economic, and later social unrest and collapse.
OOC:
I hate to be defending slavery here, but, technically, there are circumstances in which slave labor is more economically beneficent for the slaveholder than free labor. Specifically, varieties of tedious physical labor where practically anybody will do well even if they're not very enthusiastic – like moving bales of cotton, or whatever (as long as the jobs are not dangerous – injure the slave and your entire investment in him is gone).
But there you have a conundrum. As a slaveowner, you benefit in some situations when you own a slave rather than hire a dude, for obvious reasons. But there are problems. Primarily the fact that slaves are expensive in real life. In the Old South, slaves would cost something like what a new car does today, when adjusted to today's money. So all of this money is tied up in slaves, and the economy stagnates.
So while, YES, slavery CAN be profitable for the slaveowners – studies of the 19th century slavery show that enterprises running on slave labor were more profitable than similar businesses running on free labor – it is bad for the overall economy. The average free Southerner was poorer than an average free Northerner, because of this fact. When all that money is tied up in slaves, investments, the blood of modern economies, becomes an issue.
Mind, this could be less of a problem with unrealistically-cheap slaves, like Strator here is selling.
from: Jala Soma
To: Strator
our nation is shocked that you are not willing to sell slaves to us, you said that we are just going to set them free but we have never mentioned that. we would like you to reconsider our offer, our nation needs these slaves.
Official Statement from the Kingdom of Bardar;
The Kingdom won't stay silent when this kind of break against international decency is going on openly. Slavery is an uncivilized act that has no place in the modern society, a return to such savagery threaten to undermine our own anti-slavery campaign int the Kingdom of Bardar. The Kingdom therefor urge the nation of Strator to immidiately cease this backward campaign or face an oil embargo from the Kingdom of Bardar.
Asmolach II, Prime Minister of Bardar, Patriarch of the Church of Bardar.
To Bardar:
Considering I do not buy oil from you, this is not the greatest of threats. I do request however that you keep in mind that all these "slaves" are convicted criminals guilty of crimes such as murder and rape.
To Jalanat:
OOC: Sorry, wasn't exactly paying attention to that. I do however doubt you can afford all the slaves considering that to do so would cripple your economy as there are more than 100,00,000 good condition male slaves alone, that's 20 billion dollars, to buy all the slaves it would be something like 100 billion dollars, which considering your nation size, would be a large part of your budget.
OOC: Wait, how many slaves are in your nation in total? You have a set number?
oh, nevermind then, all of the messages sent to your nation will automatically self destruct in 5..4...3...2...1...
Not a set number, just a government estimate. Most slaves come under the good condition male category. The number of these seems to sit around 8 million, most of which are convicted with murder and terrorism. Stratorians are inherently violent, the harsh conditions of the region have made them so, but also makes them a lot harder to manage as a civilization.
Saint Clair Island
26-02-2009, 16:43
Official CSSA Communication
Cease and Desist Letter
To Whom it may Concern:
The Constitutional Sovereignty of Saevitian Archipelago has intercepted several shipments of slaves and similar equipment, in some cases purchased by Saevitian citizens, originating from the Stratorian Slave Store.
We must request that the Stratorian Slave Store honor Saevitian laws, which ban slavery and the slave trade, and categorically deny all future orders from Saevitian nationals or being shipped to Saevitian ports. In addition, the Slave Store must not allow its ships to pass within eighty nautical miles of Saevitian waters, stop for any reasons at Saevitian ports, or cause any of its employees or slaves to set foot on Saevitian soil. Failure to comply could lead the Saevitian Government to take measures of increasing severity, including legal action.
Laurence Andrews
Sir Laurence V. Andrews
Crown Secretary of Commerce
7th Viscount of Montgomery Island, etc., etc.
[OOC: I assume, since it's a corporation, most of its clients are foreign nationals rather than governments.]
Ralkovia
26-02-2009, 17:56
ooc: yeah but that never stopped me. Since my slaves never play a part in actual rps I have a billion or so slaves. My nations true pop is 2 billion and change plus a little less than a billion slaves. Doomingsland dwarfs me at least by 10 times but for now I will just buy all the slaves you own. I have the money if you have the slaves
Parilisa
26-02-2009, 20:30
---TOP SECRET---
Dear Sir,
Though slavery is illegal under the false constitution of Parilisa, there are many in the fascist minority who wish to see it restored to its rightful place for the advantage of society. As such the Fascist Militant Army, the Knights of the Wounded Cross, would like to purchase 1000 slaves of any condition or sex, for use in our (technically) illegal industries. I hope for your assistance in smuggling this cargo in, and I can promise a discretely armed guard from our dock in the Northern part of the district of Phylisia.
Yours Sincerely,
+AMDG+
To the Knights of the Wounded Cross:
Seeing as your goals coincide with our own, we are willing to offer a 50% off on our good condition male slaves, send an armed guard of our own and provide one hundred Stratorian made tactical assault pistols and fifty semi-automatic riffles with no charge added.
So this in total will only come to $1 million.
Parilisa
28-02-2009, 16:52
Dear Sir,
Perfect.
Yours Sincerely,
+AMDG+
Stoklomolvi
28-02-2009, 22:48
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Stoklomolvi Commissariat of State
7656 Hegemony Drive, Administrative Compound, Office Complex 7C, Hallway 52L, Room 89
Vladistov, Stoklomolvi
Encryption Level 5, Maximum Encryption
To: Stratorian Government
Subject: Slave Purchase
Stoklomolvi would like to purchase all of your slaves, healthy and ill. State your price.
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To Stokmolvi:
Ralkovia has already asked for a decent amount of them, should there be any change in plans, we shall get in touch with you.
To Ralkovia:
Due to the amounts of slaves involved here, I shall be rounding the counts down so that prices are more square.
This is our current stock count:
Male:
7,000,000 good condition = $14 billion
4,000,000 okay condition = $8 billion
1,000,000 bad condition = $2 billion
520,000 agricultural = $ 520 million
12,000 science = $ 36 million
3600 leisure = $ 1.08 million
Total = $ 24557080000 (25 billion)
Female:
2,000,000 good condition = $ 3 billion
500,000 nurse = $ 375 million
10,000 arts = $ 3 million
Total = $ 3378000000 (3.4 billion)
Sick:
50,000 male = 25 million
12,000 female = 3.6 million
Total = 28600000 (29 million)
GRAND TOTAL - 27963680000 (28 billion) and roughly 15 million slaves.
If you are still interested despite our inability to fulfill your request, we are able to provide.
Cuborg finds it disgusting that you value human life in the mere hundreds of dollars. Cease your human trafficking activities immediately or we will take military action against you.
OOC: there are several nations who have already done so, http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=584878&page=1
Join the club if you wish
New Manth
02-03-2009, 04:30
Open Communication
Denomination of Foreign Diplomacy
The Protectorate of Lyras has allowed a month for Strator to comply with its wishes; the Greater Economic Union will grant that month as well, but the time is not given so that the regime in Strator can scramble to export as many slaves as it can before the deadline.
Therefore, the Government of Strator should be informed that, in accord with a Presidential order issued earlier today, the Union Navy has been charged to interdict any and all shipping or aviation out of Strator which there is reasonable cause to believe may be carrying slaves. Any individuals or governments considering buying from Strator should also take note of this.
Delian League Naval Base, Tripolitania
The Denomination of Strategy's CCX liaison for the Delian League, Ibrahim Mahrous, dropped off a heavy stack of paperwork on the desk of his League counterpart. It was nothing too heavily classified - specific dates and names of ships were blacked out, and of course no specific information on planned maneuvers or locations was given - but the League was made aware that the Manthian navy would be undertaking a large operation in the coming weeks or months, involving up to seventy of the Navy's 114 carrier groups. Among other things, the League Navy was being asked to pick up some of the slack in routine patrols and anti-piracy operations in Manthian national waters elsewhere around the world.
To New Manth:
Should any Stratorian vessel be stopped, boarded or assaulted by a Manthian force, it shall be taken as an act of war. The great leader knows full well the ultimatum which has been imposed, and has chosen to ignore it. We as a nation will not stand for the intervention which we are being subjected to. If it is war which this will come to as a result of this, then so be it.
Antonius Rasuv,
Deputy minister of foreign relations of the dominion of Strator
New Manth
03-03-2009, 10:49
Open Communication
Denomination of Foreign Diplomacy
The position of the Greater Economic Union has been made clear, and will not change. Should the Dominion of Strator choose to ignore the Lyran ultimatum which was joined by our allies in Lamoni, there will be war in any regard; the Union is not in the habit of turning its back on its agreements.
CVBG Madauros
The carrier battle group led by the Madauros was just one of the seventy such formations deployed to completely halt the slave trade into and out of Strator; cruising in international waters some several thousand miles from the Stratorian mainland, the goal was to keep well away from any first strikes the Stratorians might launch with aircraft, and at least have sufficient warning if any hostile naval vessels put to sea from Strator.
That left the effort of finding and interdicting trade out of Strator; since there was no really reliable way to tell if any given cargo vessel carried slaves or not, it would be necessary to stop and inspect virtually any ships leaving Strator, a task that would be left up to naval infantry drawn from the various warships' contingents. As for finding and running down the ships, while civilian cargo vessels were rarely anywhere near as stealthy as a warship under EMCON, nonetheless the ships were not expected to see everything themselves and so a multi-pronged effort was begun; Strator's ports would be kept under surveillance both via satellite and by long-range reconnaisance drones, radio traffic both civilian and military would be intercepted when possible, and of course any publically available information about shipping would be scrutinized.
Quite aware of the government of Strator's attitude towards the Manthian interdiction effort, CVBG Madauros along with most of the other task forces would themselves be sailing under strict emissions control in order to keep hostile forces guessing about their exact locations; furthermore, in between the CVBGs themselves and the Stratorian coastline, nuclear submarines were to prowl the depths, serving both as an additional line of warning against any large surface force and as guards against any undersea activity on Strator's side.
Holy Marsh
03-03-2009, 11:33
OOC: Go to the war thread, keep this open for his market no matter how unagreeable it is.
To Stokmolvi:
Due to a lack of response on the part of Ralkovia, we are willing to sell you as many forced laborers as you wish. We however are not capable of transporting them, due to blockades being enforced by a number of nations. Should you wish to do business with us, it is necessary that you send an envoy to collect the laborers and claim full responsibility for any problems which occur during transport. We would not normally conduct trade like this, and we are sorry. It is understandable if this has in any way influenced your decision, but the circumstances give us no other option. We hope that you are still willing to do business, if not now, then maybe in the near future when we are no longer plagued by the interventionist nations.
Vadius Musaeus,
Deputy minister of trade for the dominion of Strator
Serbian_Soviet_Union
03-03-2009, 12:02
IC: No Stratorian cargo ships, goods, or any vessels or anything such shall enter the Federations waters and on the border shall be denied entry, any trade made between a nation and Strator will not be allowed entry inside our borders as my nation has enforced an embargo against Strator for violating human rights.
IC:
No Stratorian vessel has any purpose in FSSU, but I would wish to raise a few issues with your statements.
You say we violate human rights, who has the power to decide what right a human holds? In our creation, the only right that is given to us is to live for the moment, a right which may be taken away at any point without warning. Other than this, I recognize no inherent right for any man. There is the question over whether our trade is morally wrong, however, these are criminals who are being dealt with no harsher than by death penalty.
There is also the question of whether you can back up your blockade, seeing as our navy is larger than your entire population, I am somewhat doubtful. This is excluding the fact that we are already blockaded, making your blockade somewhat a waste of your nations time and resources.
Serbian_Soviet_Union
03-03-2009, 16:07
IC:
No Stratorian vessel has any purpose in FSSU, but I would wish to raise a few issues with your statements.
You say we violate human rights, who has the power to decide what right a human holds? In our creation, the only right that is given to us is to live for the moment, a right which may be taken away at any point without warning. Other than this, I recognize no inherent right for any man. There is the question over whether our trade is morally wrong, however, these are criminals who are being dealt with no harsher than by death penalty.
There is also the question of whether you can back up your blockade, seeing as our navy is larger than your entire population, I am somewhat doubtful. This is excluding the fact that we are already blockaded, making your blockade somewhat a waste of your nations time and resources.
Does this also include ladies and sick ladies?? What is your definition of being a criminal which the criminal deserved a jail sentence?? Smoking in public?? Shoplifting ?? Lighting leaves without a permit? Parking ticket??
What your nation is doing is barbaric, violates human rights, immoral and unethical, if prisioners are sentence in your nation for something they did which they got a jail term for few weeks, months or years or even life in prision, why are they used for human trafficking?? Why cant they do their jail sentence in their nation and in their jail cell?? Your citizens are the citizens of your nation and as part of the sovereignty, sovereignty is vested in it's citizens.
New Manth
03-03-2009, 19:39
OOC: Go to the war thread, keep this open for his market no matter how unagreeable it is.
ooc: I don't intend to carry this all out in his thread - any further business we have can move elsewhere - but I do believe that the initial post is more relevant for this thread than the other.
Strator, have you received my TG?
Valladares
03-03-2009, 20:04
IC: From the Constitutional Monarchy of Valladares we see this "slaves store" as a humiliation and an act against the human dignity. As defender of the human rights, Valladares is feeling obliged to warn to Strator and all those nations that support this barbarous act that, if they don't stop this activity we'll be obliged to realize an economic and naval blockade to ships with flag of these countries that try to enter to our country. If these nations decide to continue with this activity, Valladares will feel in the right to exercise stronger actions against these nations.
To: Strator
from: Jala Soma
our nation would like to buy all of the slaves you have in stock
we will send a cheque.
OOC: we are just going to set them free anyways
TO: The Nation of Jalanat
We want to remember you that you have received authorization to open an embassy in Valladares, however, we are considering the expulsion of your diplomatic staff due to the fact that we have reports that confirm us that you support the slave trade. We urge you to change your position on the slave trade, otherwise, we'll be in the obligation to expel the diplomatic staff that you have installed in our country.
ooc: I don't intend to carry this all out in his thread - any further business we have can move elsewhere - but I do believe that the initial post is more relevant for this thread than the other.
Strator, have you received my TG?
I agree that the posting of that was fine here, but I didn't get your tg.
Raahkept
05-03-2009, 11:34
IC: The peoples of Ra'ahkept do not understand other nations' concern for these slaves. Do you not sell your excess slaves also? What would you do with them? Feed and clothe them so that they may live off your society as leeches? For such an advanced world, some people seem so barbaric...
OOC: my nation are a recently discovered tribe modeled on ancient egypt. so that explains that.
OOC: cool, that should be interesting.