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Report on the Activities of Fascists

Introduction

Before beginning this written attack on fascism, readers of this report are urged to reconsider. Please note that the word “fascist,” if read or heard too many times in the same sentence may conjure up images of short, semi-balding men compensating for something by pounding a piece of wood and blaming the worlds problems on the Jews. These images, if seen in quick succession may be, at times, nauseating, and readers are urged to seek medical attention, or simply realize that all fascists end up:

1) Hanging from lamp posts.
2) Blowing their brains out.
3) Poisoning themselves.

Purpose

In this report, the reasons why neo-conservative, racist, fascists cannot come to grips with the fact that they blindly follow an outdated, close-minded, and quite frankly idiotic set of political ideas will be explored, in addition to exploring a further revelation about fascism in general. Information contained in this report has been obtained from some of the most respected minds in Leistung, in addition to one man with half a brain lobe who still knows that fascism is, to quote the immortal Adam Smith, “Total fucking fail.”

Still readers may wonder—why does the University of Falkenberg dedicate hundreds of thousands of dollars to the study of fascists and their mannerisms? Is the philosophy of “live and let live” not followed in Leistung? Hardly. Fascism in itself is a abomination, and the idea that anyone, much less a group of people, would follow a short sweaty man simply because he speaks rudimentary German and hates the Jews brings into question the mental condition of said group of individuals.

Oh The Humanity!

For the purposes of this report, “humanity,” that being the human condition and the actual biological fact that one is in fact a member of the group we call Homo sapiens, shall be defined in the following manner:

1) All necessary functions of life are able to be preformed.
2) Capability for free thought.
3) A basic sense of morality.
4) Rational thought is possible.

In fascism, a short, usually balding man uses the masses as a tool to accomplish his own twisted ends. As such, the people have the capability to think freely, even if they do not exercise said ability for free thought. As fascists do not function any differently biologically from normal human beings, they cannot be categorized as anything other than human in respects to points one and two.

In regards to point three, it is important to realize that many individuals do not possess what one might consider a “basic sense of morality.” However, what separates fascists from the remainder of humanity is the fact that the people are so enamored by their short, sweaty, balding man that that their sense of morality is twisted beyond measure. This is ironic, of course, considering the fact that most fascist states openly advocate being so-called “moralistic.” In truth, any state which advocates the mass-murder of innocents (note the actions of the Grand World Order), discrimination and bigotry against a certain ethnic group (note the actions of, again, the Grand World Order, but also a variety of so-called fascist states), and a plethora of other, equally disgusting actions against their fellow man, cannot be moralistic—common sense always wins out in this situation, and that fact is indisputable.

Of course, the most important argument in this report will be the one regarding the fourth point. Fascists as a whole cannot think rationally. This has been proven time and again throughout history, and it will continue to be the case in the future. It is important to remember that the “fascists” being described here are, as stated earlier, are neo-conservative racist fascists, as people holding conservative ideas are hardly incapable of rational thought.

To elaborate, let us first look at the arguments fascists will use to justify their set of beliefs. The most common one when presented with the question, “How can you justify the murder of millions?” is will go somewhere along the lines of, “Stalin killed people too. Reds, Mao, Pol Pot, fascism, Hitler, greatness,” and so on and so forth. The second argument often goes along the lines of a racist tirade followed up by the claim that Hitler is the almighty, that Mussolini was God, and a statement of their undying wish to reform the Third Reich. Remember that never once in an argument against a fascist will they even attempt to support their arguments with, say, factual evidence or common sense.

So What?

Readers by this point may be scratching their heads. Who the hell cares? We all knew that fascists were racist bigots who are doomed to fail in their attempts to stamp out an arbitrary ethnic group—why repeat the obvious?

The reason is simple. In this report, we will prove conclusively that fascists, and indeed the fascist movement as a whole, is supported and populated by persons who are decidedly sub-human. Complete disregard for common sense and reason, rational thought, and complete obliviousness to the fact that fascism and National Socialism has and always will fail does not prove that the preceding argument is necessarily valid—it takes another, stronger argument to prove that.

People following the fascist ideals do not strive to progress the human race as a whole. This one defining quality is what sets humanity apart from baser animals, and yet in no way has a fascist ever accomplished anything of note, other than massacring fields and fields of humans, which in and of itself should prove that fascism exists merely to end the human race altogether. As fascists show no desire to continue the human race, care for their fellow man, or in fact do anything but talk about the “glory days” of Hitler and plan the next great genocide of humanity, it is the final conclusion of this report that fascists are, in fact, perhaps most ironically, less than human.

We suggest that in their quest to purge humanity of the lesser races, they include themselves first on the list.

[Signed]

-Heinz Bayer,
-Jan Hirsch,
-Fritz Fruehauf,
-Gregor Faber,
-Dieter Ackermann,

Head Research Board on the Activities of Fascists

OOC: Since no one seems to get this, the preceding claim is supposed to be ironic. It's a statement about how, with sufficient time and a sufficiently ignorant audience, anyone can be classed as sub-human, including those who see themselves as "pure," "aryan," or whatever. It's a statement on how moronic such classifications are, as hopefully everyone understands the irony of me decrying racism in one paragraph and then calling someone sub-human in the next. In some small way I am trying to get across the idiocy of fascism, and more specifically, radical racist fascism, by using its own moronic justification against it.

OOC: What is supposed to be done in this thread? Also, it can be argued that purging non-believers and scum is the right thing in many religions.

OOC: I like how you say Fascism and genocide basically are one in the same.

OOC: It's like saying Trotskyism is not Leninism/Marxism, and Marxism/Leninism is not directly based off Communism.

OOC: It doesn't have to be that way. Not all the time.

OOC: Oh, but it does.... it does.

OOC: Oh, it's on. In a polite, tea-party sense of 'on'. To quote one of my good friends, "I'm going to send him a very strongly worded email." Also, I thought that the real world doesn't exist in the NS world?

IC: http://img91.imageshack.us/img91/1250/helghasttriadpssymbolpz3.png
From Her Royal Majesty, Empress Tara Whyt, Ruler of the Void and Her Colonies
To the Head Research Board on the Activities of Fascists
First, I would like to categorically state that I am neither short, balding, nor a man.

The Imperial Order has, for many generations, since the reclamation from Boratnia, been what would be called a 'fascist state'. Our people know this, and accept it. Over the years since our founding, even before the Reclamation, we have tried, or been subject to, almost every type of government under the Sun. Democracy, Socialism, Oligarchy and Tyranny to name but a few. And we have discovered in every single one that you simply cannot please all of the people all of the time. Due to Templarian nature, 'not pleased' usually means 'looting, burning, maiming and killing.'

The only true, stable government that we have had of our choosing has been the current one. In regards to your points on morality, one cannot be truly moral in this day and age and have a stable nation. Any of the, shall we say, less than scrupulous acts I am forced to commit are for the good of my people, and never commited on the innocent. I also take great offense at being called a racist. I have worked very hard to remove the xenophobic nature from my people, in an effort to bring them into the world peacefully. I also find it interesting how you can call me 'less than human', while preaching the evils of genocide. Is that not what has caused the very act you protest?

OOC: To be technical Italian and Spanish fascism lacked the racist undertones of German National Socialism, at least at first. One can be facist and not be racist, you just brutally oppress all races equally.

Official Message from Alexander Kirillovich Kazansky

I approve this Research Board. Therefore, please accept this cheque to your account, to the sum of 500 million dollars from My own personal resources (http://z12.invisionfree.com/Allanea/index.php?showtopic=71). Furthermore, it seems the Empress Tara Whyt is implying her people are so retarded that any system more liberal than fascist autocracy causes them to start killing each other like rabid dogs. Is this not the most racist thing ever, except strangely directed at her own people? If I were a Voidian (or whatever they're called), I'd be revolted. And I'd revolt.

(This one defining quality is what sets humanity apart from baser animals, and yet in no way has a fascist ever accomplished anything of note, other than massacring fields and fields of humans, which in and of itself should prove that fascism exists merely to end the human race altogether.

So I assume it was Russia who invented the jet engine the rocket and the volkwagen? Not to mention most of the technology we hold so dear to our hearts. I am fascist but I am Jewish that is not contradictory. What is contradictory is being a democracy, following the will of the people, yet disregarding a certain group of people because they believe in something else.

I'm sure we all hate Nazis but fascism by itself is no different than most other governments. I, while not entirely enthralled with the idea of massacring each other just because of differences, can easily argue the massacre of millions. A logical one at that.

It is to hold power, it is to quite dissent, and it is to remove the unwanted. Do you try to contain the flow of immigration into your country then you are fascist.

Do you try to remove those who are a burden on society(An annoying guy or mentally handicapped) then you are fascist.

Do you approve abortion? Then you are fascist.

Do you approve riot police to take control of situations when they get out of control? Then you are fascist.

Leistung, I do not approve of any type of radicalism in which you villify your neighbors or would be willing to kill them just because they are different. If you argue that fascists are not human then each and everyone of us is just a bit inhuman and you who have spoken hypocricy are the worst of them all.

You call yourself a democracy, in which the people have power of the government. So if your people called for fascism would they all be inhuman and would you be willing to kill them to stay in power.

(Fascism, like GWO or Rykaria is just a corrupted form of socialism. I believe in utopian fascism. Before you condemn conservatism and block your eyes and ears and try to convince everyone that everybody who believes in conservatism is really a closet nazi who wants to march with a squiggly line on his shoulder and follow a short bald guy I would take a deep look and realize that you spread hypocricy and lies when you say fascist are not human or lesser human.

Leistung while fascism is perhaps steeped in images of stone faced men gassing minorities you do not argue the fact that your dear democracy was the one that sold the equipment necessary and furthered progress along by consenting to the death. Your government which argues abortion is okay because mom wants too. Which can't give a killer his own medicine and thinks that the murder of 9 people isn't grounds to give a guy a nice shot of death.

Every government type has its flaws. Democracy, Socialism, Monarchy, etc. but to point out that a single type of government is not worthy to exist is itself a type of fascism.

Furthermore, democracy can be just as cruel as fascism and in many cases much worse. Look to Andrew Jackson and the forced removal of native americans. Look to Abraham Lincoln who with one hand spoke of peace and freedom and went and allowed Sherman to burn everything in his path.

Leistung, while I am Jewish and fascist and even a bit racist. However when you assume that just because I am fascist and racist that I am tempted to done an armband and start marching around my school and argue for the death of millions of invalids you yourself are advocating the same ignorance that allows fascism to exist. You are denying my right to believe in a type of government and heeding my rights to free speech.

In many cases skinheads, neo-fascist wannabee's blame their problems on other races and they call for death yet you ignore the minority of us who are of above intelligence and you sully us with brands of lesser humans.

If you want to call me a fascist I am fine. If you want to say that I would kill my fellow man just because he is of a different skin color I am fine. But if you expect me to believe you are a democracy and not just a kid who spent to many days watching liberal propaganda and has nazi-phobia then please consider both sides of the argument.

If you condemn fascism then you condemn yourself and your fellow man.
Do not call a man stupid and lesser just because he believes in something different then you or you will soon become the thing you hate most.

In conclusion, gwo, east, and me all have a full head of hair. As for Rykaria he has an ass hat.)

(I will make an IC post in a few)

Official Message from Alexander Kirillovich Kazansky

I approve this Research Board. Therefore, please accept this cheque to your account, to the sum of 500 million dollars from My own personal resources (http://z12.invisionfree.com/Allanea/index.php?showtopic=71). Furthermore, it seems the Empress Tara Whyt is implying her people are so retarded that any system more liberal than fascist autocracy causes them to start killing each other like rabid dogs. Is this not the most racist thing ever, except strangely directed at her own people? If I were a Voidian (or whatever they're called), I'd be revolted. And I'd revolt.

To: Alexander Kazansky

When did they let you out of the loony bin?



To: Fascist Alert Government Organization Thing
or what ever you call yourself

Your research is fail. Please tell me how many bribes you have taken?
Your research is flawed in several ways and is contradictory as a whole.
"see tara whyts statement"

So I assume it was Russia who invented the jet engine the rocket and the volkwagen?.

What, you think the fascists did any of this?

The jet engine was invented by a Romanian guy called Henry Coanda, in France, in 1910.

The first modern Rocket was launched in Auburn, Massachusets, in 1926, by a guy called Robert Goddard.

And we all know the VW beetle was not an innovative invention, it was just another cheap car. The first 'people's car' was the 'Model T'

OoC: This isn't a government publication, you know...

(AH now you are using semantics. Invented/utilized whatever. I'm sure with we wouldn't have attempted to even bother with nukes, with space, or with civilian jet liners had germany not been fascist. You forget that the necessity to kill is the mother of invention.)

Official Message from Alexander Kirillovich Kazansky

I approve this Research Board. Therefore, please accept this cheque to your account, to the sum of 500 million dollars from My own personal resources (http://z12.invisionfree.com/Allanea/index.php?showtopic=71). Furthermore, it seems the Empress Tara Whyt is implying her people are so retarded that any system more liberal than fascist autocracy causes them to start killing each other like rabid dogs. Is this not the most racist thing ever, except strangely directed at her own people? If I were a Voidian (or whatever they're called), I'd be revolted. And I'd revolt.

OOC: Voidian, Templarian, it's all good. The correct name is a bit difficult to pronounce (Pesecyfabdafif). :D
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From Her Royal Majesty, Empress Tara Whyt, Ruler of the Void and Her Colonies
To Alexander Kirillovich Kazansky
I did never allude the violence of the Templarian culture to the intelligence of my people. The simple fact that the 3 houses still have blood feuds and still hate each other is why Democracy and Socialism cannot work in Lonun. The people simply do not regard each other as equals, as much as I try to promote unity. Even in this day and age, warrior heritage runs through the blood of the Templars, and people are willing to fight and to die for almost any cause. Quite simply, my government limits the bloodshed as much as possible.
OOC: Shit. You brought up the 'Model T'. I can't argue with the awesomeness of that. Bravo sir.

So I assume it was Russia who invented the jet engine the rocket and the volkwagen?

OOC: I'm being pedantic here, but inventing the Volkswagen isn't exactly much, it's not like Nazis invented cars or something, they just invented a fairly influential and famous car, and one that had several contemporaries developed outside Fascism anyway (The Citroën 2CV, designed in the early 1930s, comes to mind). And turbojets were developed concurrently in Britain and the first motorjet, which eventually led to modern jet technology, was developed in Romania long before Fascism really existed. And while Germany did much work on rocket engines, the principle had been around for nearly a thousand years before.

EDIT: Didn't see Allanea's post. My point still stands though.

OOC: To say a fascist never did anything? Look at the accomplishments of Francisco Franco and Jiang Jieshi made.

OOC: Did this thread just set off a powder-keg of OOC debate?

OOC: Very entertaining to read though

(AH now you are using semantics. Invented/utilized whatever. I'm sure with we wouldn't have attempted to even bother with nukes, with space, or with civilian jet liners had germany not been fascist. You forget that the necessity to kill is the mother of invention.)

ooc: Well, we would have anyway, we were already thinking about colonizing the moon back then (and look where we are now, with a space agency funded only on a gift certificate to the Discovery Channel Store). The invention of the jet engine had already been put into place, the fact that Nazi Germany was going to use it for military aircraft only speed up the process.

And the necessity to kill is not the mother.

The development of mankind is the Grandmother, the fame and fortune the Grandfather, the Knowledge the Father, and necessity is the Mother.

And actually, the more capitalist and democratic societies made far more contributions, discoveries, and inventions than those of authoritarian or communist societies.

Official Statement from President Windward Folly

I am appalled, by how narrow sighted, and blinded some people can be to the truth. The entire statement by the Research Board on the Activities of Fascists, basically states, that Fascists are subhuman, and therefore do not deserve the basic rights of humans. Is this not the same kind of racist sentiment that their very article points to as the reason that the Fascists are subhuman. If you replace Fascists with any race, these statements would be called blatantly racist. Yet you put something that many people don't like in there, and you have the makings of a lynch mob. This simply shows how easily one can convince many others to do something, that no rational human would ever do. This article is the worst piece of witting that I have ever seen.

OoC: This isn't a government publication, you know...

OOC: Bitte, voice of reason.

(AH now you are using semantics. Invented/utilized whatever. I'm sure with we wouldn't have attempted to even bother with nukes, with space, or with civilian jet liners had germany not been fascist. You forget that the necessity to kill is the mother of invention.)

OOC: Yeah, Ralk, 12 million innocents dead < jetliners.

As long as the OOC has to do with the thread, it's allowed, but please, no, "Oh this is interesting" posts. If no one got that my post was IC, that's their problem.

Official Statement from President Windward Folly

I am appalled, by how narrow sighted, and blinded some people can be to the truth. The entire statement by the Research Board on the Activities of Fascists, basically states, that Fascists are subhuman, and therefore do not deserve the basic rights of humans. Is this not the same kind of racist sentiment that their very article points to as the reason that the Fascists are subhuman. If you replace Fascists with any race, these statements would be called blatantly racist. Yet you put something that many people don't like in there, and you have the makings of a lynch mob. This simply shows how easily one can convince many others to do something, that no rational human would ever do. This article is the worst piece of witting that I have ever seen.

Official Response

We are appalled that no one understands the literary qualities of ironic comedy. In the minds of so many fascist states today, one ethnic group or group of peoples is considered "sub-human" and worthy only of death. We are merely pointing out the irony in the fact that everyone, even those who consider themselves "pure," can have a label affixed to them.

Official Response

We are appalled that no one understands the literary qualities of ironic comedy. In the minds of so many fascist states today, one ethnic group or group of peoples is considered "sub-human" and worthy only of death. We are merely pointing out the irony in the fact that everyone, even those who consider themselves "pure," can have a label affixed to them.

Official Statement

We apologize, however, we do not expect such things from intellectual research boards, some could very well consider what you say, and actually act on it. Not everyone has the ability to see what is, and what is not the intended effect of statements. Not many are as well versed in ironic comedy, and your statements, regardless of how they were intended, have the potential to cause genocide, and great suffering. We know that you do not intend such things, however, one must think of the consequences of their actions.

To: Head Research Board on the Activities of Fascists, University of Falkenberg
From: Professor Hassan Omar, Robert O. Paxton Chair of Fascist Studies, Department of Political Science, New Singapore University
Re: 'Report on the Activities of Fascism'

While certainly amused by the use of irony in your report, I have to say it does not take the question particularly seriously. Fascism, while an unserious, generally inconsistent ideology, is nonetheless significant enough that it ought to be critiqued on a more rigorous basis.
A proposed line of attack might be that fascism inevitably leads to national self-destruction, as it is an ideology unsuited to alliances, compelled to warfare, and only capable of drawing on national rather than cosmopolitan lines. Further, fascist economic policies are problematic - corporatism is a breeding ground for inefficiency, duplication of effort, and corruption.
Perhaps further discussion on more academic lines might be of interest?

OoC: This isn't a government publication, you know...

(OOC: Apparently there are a lot of heads of state with nothing better to do than read the entirety of every college or university in the world's published works.)

GRNC News Report

The Imperial Institute of Social and Cultural studies released a report, debunking the "flawed and unjustified" findings from the Leistungi research board which released its study titled "Report on the Activities of Fascists" to the international community earlier this week.

The IISC called the report "Biased and Prejudice." Professor Alexander Kersk went on further to say

"This report does not belong in the sacred halls of knowledge and study, it is a disgrace to the educational and scientific community."

Professor Scott Alsen was also quoted as saying

"The signatories of this report are an embarassment to the Leistungi scholarly community, they have damaged the international standing of all Leistungi universities and higher places of learning."

In other news

A ferry full of foreign negros and Pakhtuns sank in the albar straight, overloading was deemed the cause of the sinking, and more than 800 lives are thought to be lost. After only half an hour of search and rescue operations, coastal craft were recalled and operations ceased as the Admiralty determined the S&D operations were not worth the amount of funds they would require to be maintained any longer.

The Ferry is estimated to have had 900-1000 passengers, with only two negros being pulled from the water before operations ended.

Total cost spent on S&D operation-350 dollars spent for fuel in dispatching two UH-60 rescue helicopters

(OOC: Apparently there are a lot of heads of state with nothing better to do than read the entirety of every college or university in the world's published works.)

OOC: No, but there are a lot of random minions with nothing better than filter and read documents crital of the government to do. :D

Official Response of the Grand University of Magna Polis
(Actually just a report by a Freshman on the subject)

The so-called "Fascist Report" is perhaps the most hypocritical piece ever written. It claims Fascists are inhuman because allegedly, all Fascists promote prejudice, racism, et cetera. This is the very definition of hypocrisy. By saying all Fascists promote hatred, that is prejudging them. By labeling them inhuman, that is dehumanizing and oppressing them. And the bit about racism? That isn't even close to true.

I quote the report itself for my next point:


For the purposes of this report, “humanity,” that being the human condition and the actual biological fact that one is in fact a member of the group we call Homo sapiens, shall be defined in the following manner:

1) All necessary functions of life are able to be preformed.
2) Capability for free thought.
3) A basic sense of morality.
4) Rational thought is possible.

This is complete fallacy. The only requirements to be a human is the possession of 98% or so of the Human Genome, as well as the ability to produce Adenosine Triphosphate through the process taught in High School called "Cellular Respiration." Other than that, nothing is necessary. This is simply pure fantasy with no scientific basis whatsoever.

Continuing on the stereotype that all Fascist leaders are short and balding, Griffith Artiche, the founder of our nation and a philosopher of Fascism, stood at 6"11', and from what reports suggest, actually had hair longer than usual.

There is a claim within the report (Several, actually) that states that all Fascists are racial bigots. While some undeniably are, not all actually are. The Order, for example, does not oppress racial/ethnic groups. Society might not view them well, but this is not encouraged by the government, and all citizens are protected under the Law of the Federation. For example, if I were to walk up to a black man and punch him in the face, what would happen? I'd get arrested. Pure and simple.

The entire report is nothing but speculation, stereotypes, and random attacks at Fascists with no actual backing. There simply is no proof, there is nothing but imagination. It's as if I were to claim that I have a Lamborghini Murcielago parked in my driveway. It's simply fantasy, just like Lord of the Rings. Therefore, the entire report is simply anti-Fascist rubbish, and only has a place in your daily tabloids, along with the articles claiming aliens are invading Earth as we speak.

By the way, send my regards to Haupstadt.


The GWO Government has not made an official response, other than "We don't really give a fuck."

ooc Guess I can add GWO to list of governments I don't take seriously, no respectable, decent, or well educated government offical would issue the statement "We don't really give a fuck" as a response to anything, at least not if they wanted to remain in their political position for very long.

ooc Guess I can add GWO to list of governments I don't take seriously, no respectable, decent, or well educated government offical would issue the statement "We don't really give a fuck" as a response to anything, at least not if they wanted to remain in their political position for very long.

OOC: MAybe IRL. In NS there's plenty of nations where this would for some reason or another be culturally acceptable. Like, err, mine.

ooc Guess I can add GWO to list of governments I don't take seriously, no respectable, decent, or well educated government offical would issue the statement "We don't really give a fuck" as a response to anything, at least not if they wanted to remain in their political position for very long.

((OOC: It's not an official response. It's more of a news-crew-swarms-random-military-officer response, primarily made to get the news people to leave them alone. Besides, I'm a Fascist Dictatorship, we honestly, really, don't care.))

OOC: MAybe IRL. In NS there's plenty of nations where this would for some reason or another be culturally acceptable. Like, err, mine.

So some ns cultures are the equivalent of junior high/high schools then, and even whilst allies, my gov icly doesn't always take Kazansky seriously.

OOC: Perzactly. (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=13438057&postcount=51) I know that post is from an FT thread, but it describes my nation's attitudes quite well.

OOC: No, but there are a lot of random minions with nothing better than filter and read documents crital of the government to do. :D

(OOC: My point was, though, that rather than anyone RP-ing as such, they just had their heads of state directly participating, which struck me as amusing at 2:30 in the morning.)

(Edit: And I have no idea why there is a smiley at the top of this post, outside my quote from VT. Maybe because I just woke up I just can't wrap my mind around it.)

ooc: wow, this is turning into a full fledged debate

IC:

Official Communique

Ramsfeld University, 2400 Wather Boulevard, Port Royal, Zoingo

TO: The World At large
Subject: Leistung Report on Facism

It seems that instead of contributing something to society, Leistung scientist decided that it is okay to tear a part of it down and spend their time on frivolous things. So, we decide to ask....umm....does anyone really care?

Signed,
Scientist Jean Hartford
Dr. Ulteck Massor
Scientist Ian Tellson
University Student Robert Sherlen

Official Reply by the University of Falkenberg (Hauptstadt)

The so-called "Fascist Report" is perhaps the most hypocritical piece ever written. It claims Fascists are inhuman because allegedly, all Fascists promote prejudice, racism, et cetera. This is the very definition of hypocrisy. By saying all Fascists promote hatred, that is prejudging them. By labeling them inhuman, that is dehumanizing and oppressing them. And the bit about racism? That isn't even close to true.
Apparently fascists also don't understand irony. This point will be explored in detail in our next report.

The only requirements to be a human is the possession of 98% or so of the Human Genome, as well as the ability to produce Adenosine Triphosphate through the process taught in High School called "Cellular Respiration." Other than that, nothing is necessary. This is simply pure fantasy with no scientific basis whatsoever.

Human condition. Please read more closely, and if at all possible, think for yourself.

Continuing on the stereotype that all Fascist leaders are short and balding, Griffith Artiche, the founder of our nation and a philosopher of Fascism, stood at 6"11', and from what reports suggest, actually had hair longer than usual.

Lies.

By the way, send my regards to Haupstadt.

Ignoring the fact that you as a German nation have spelled a German word incorrectly, are you implying that the Grand World Order took some part in the terrorist attacks against Hauptstadt which took some 7500 lives?

The GWO Government has not made an official response, other than "We don't really give a fuck."

And we don't really give a fuck about your opinion. Works two ways, you see.

OOC: It doesn't have to be that way. Not all the time.

Fascism is just very nationalistic socialism, which always leads to some kind of purge or persecution. Then again, all socialism has nationalist tendencies, as glorious Hayek has shown.

OOC: Bitte, voice of reason.



OOC: Yeah, Ralk, 12 million innocents dead < jetliners.

As long as the OOC has to do with the thread, it's allowed, but please, no, "Oh this is interesting" posts. If no one got that my post was IC, that's their problem.

(Leistung you of all people should understand I am not arguing that the deaths of millions of people are even equitable to the current technology of today. My grandfather saw the brutality of the nazi's for 5 years, he was then imprisoned by the soviets for almost 10 years. I don't advocate death of anyone except those who have killed. I am a utopian, I believe we can all live together but I'm a conservative utopian.

But when you make comments like you did right there you just justify the same hate that fascists have. And lei even though a 'private research group' did it I've spent a long enough time to know that thats your true opinion. )

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THE LIBERAL REPUBLIC OF PARILISA


I would not normally spend much time studying the reports and essays of international bodies, but this one was shown to me by a trusted friend and I was completely delighted by it. Both amusing and enlightening, it points out the flaws in fascism which many international leaders responses have only proven.

I find the implication that fascism has done any good for the world laughable, and the idea put forward by one nation, that pure evil and mass genocide is acceptable if the government in question helps design a relatively good car is absolutely hilarious.


Yours Sincerely,
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President Nathaniel Klein

(Leistung you of all people should understand I am not arguing that the deaths of millions of people are even equitable to the current technology of today. My grandfather saw the brutality of the nazi's for 5 years, he was then imprisoned by the soviets for almost 10 years. I don't advocate death of anyone except those who have killed. I am a utopian, I believe we can all live together but I'm a conservative utopian.

But when you make comments like you did right there you just justify the same hate that fascists have. And lei even though a 'private research group' did it I've spent a long enough time to know that thats your true opinion. )

OOC: whether or not the OOC opinion of the author is congruent with the IC post or not should make no difference insofar as any RP is concerned.

Perhaps if we wish to engage in an OOC debate on the merits of fascism or lack thereof, we should do so in either an OOC thread or on the NS General forum. To OOCly argue about philosophical ideas presented (or in this case ideas attacked) in an IC post is rather silly.

OOC: Sorry, how lei made it look to me was that he was saying that I agreed that the death of 12 million was equivalent to the jet liner.

OOC: Sorry, how lei made it look to me was that he was saying that I agreed that the death of 12 million was equivalent to the jet liner.

OOC: "I'm sure with we wouldn't have attempted to even bother with nukes, with space, or with civilian jet liners had Germany not been fascist," seems to imply that it was alright that Germany was fascist because at least we got some cool stuff out of it. Now, if that wasn't your intention, then fine, but you must admit that that's exactly what it looks to be.

Official Reply by the University of Falkenberg (Hauptstadt)


Apparently fascists also don't understand irony. This point will be explored in detail in our next report.



Human condition. Please read more closely, and if at all possible, think for yourself.



Lies.



Ignoring the fact that you as a German nation have spelled a German word incorrectly, are you implying that the Grand World Order took some part in the terrorist attacks against Hauptstadt which took some 7500 lives?

Response of the Grand University Freshman

Human condition? Is that something your nation has randomly created simply to downgrade people it doesn't like? A human is a human, regardless of mentality. Nobody is subhuman, and the Fascist Order in which I reside will agree. Insulting the people by labeling them as "subhuman" is far worse than anything my government has done. It reeks of Hitler's "Master Race" bullcrap (Which most of the GWO agrees is bullcrap). And the bit claims that morality, etc, is needed to fit into "Homo sapiens." First of all, the current breed of Human is Homo sapiens sapiens, as Homo sapiens was the Neanderthal or Cro-Magnon (There is some debate about it) species. Secondly, this only proves my point by stating that they have to have a certain mindset to BIOLOGICALLY be human.

Lies? Prove it. There are thousands of media bits showing him as standing at nearly seven feet (As does our current Grand Commander) and having shoulder-length hair. Unless you can provide something other than speculation and "it's possible that" speeches, you have simply failed at this point.

First of all, I do not work for my government. To be honest, I forgot how to spell your capital simply because it doesn't concern me. I don't study petty democracies. Secondly, the Order is not Germanic, it's more of its own heritage that resulted in a blend of cultures, primarily American, German, Italian, English, Russian, and Irish. Culture also varies depending on where you are in our nation, for example, if you're in Petroleum, there is a high number of devout Muslims that practice Middle-Eastern traditions, et cetera. In Magna Polis, which is where I live, there isn't any dominant culture besides loyalty to the State. I actually guess we have our own culture here, one of pride, loyalty, and intelligence. I'm not linking my nation to the attacks on Hauptstadt. Even if I was, the Leistungi government claimed they found "proof" of my government being involved. If my government was, it's not my business anyways. The fact that you claim the words of a college Freshman are proof of GWO involvement in the attacks is ridiculous.

(I believe the appropriate response is

PWNED.)

Response of the Grand University Freshman

Human condition? Is that something your nation has randomly created simply to downgrade people it doesn't like?
No my friend, that would be philosophy. Educated individuals study it, as do civilized nations, so it is therefore understandable why no one in the Grand World Order has ever heard of it.

A human is a human, regardless of mentality. Nobody is subhuman, and the Fascist Order in which I reside will agree. Insulting the people by labeling them as "subhuman" is far worse than anything my government has done. It reeks of Hitler's "Master Race" bullcrap (Which most of the GWO agrees is bullcrap).

And again the irony is lost on you. Unsurprising, really.

And the bit claims that morality, etc, is needed to fit into "Homo sapiens." First of all, the current breed of Human is Homo sapiens sapiens, as Homo sapiens was the Neanderthal or Cro-Magnon (There is some debate about it) species.

You are referring to a subspecies, not a species. Even if you were correct, this point is so far off-topic that we as readers are still trying to figure out out what you were getting at.

Secondly, this only proves my point by stating that they have to have a certain mindset to BIOLOGICALLY be human.

We have already agreed that fascists are biologically human--reading the report itself would probably help before launching into a tirade of completely off-topic points. You emphasize "biologically" while meanwhile we have stated numerous times that it is the human condition we are most interested in.

Lies? Prove it. There are thousands of media bits showing him as standing at nearly seven feet (As does our current Grand Commander) and having shoulder-length hair. Unless you can provide something other than speculation and "it's possible that" speeches, you have simply failed at this point.

Blah blah irony lost blah blah. Apparently our attempts at humor passed you by.

First of all, I do not work for my government. To be honest, I forgot how to spell your capital simply because it doesn't concern me.

Hauptstadt is the German word for capital city, not the name of our capital per se. Since people in the GWO speak EGI or some form of an English-German-Italian language, presumably one would be well versed in at least the basic vocabulary of German.

In Magna Polis, which is where I live, there isn't any dominant culture besides loyalty to the State.

You have to forgive us here, but Hans almost peed his pants.

I'm not linking my nation to the attacks on Hauptstadt. Even if I was, the Leistungi government claimed they found "proof" of my government being involved. If my government was, it's not my business anyways. The fact that you claim the words of a college Freshman are proof of GWO involvement in the attacks is ridiculous.

What your government does, which directly affects your life should the Federal Republic ever choose to take direct action for the lives lost, should concern you very much. Very much.


OOC: Counter-pwned, apparently.

To: Grand University of Magna Polis, GWO
From: Professor Hassan Omar, Department of Political Science, New Singapore University
Re: Ideology

Academic study of fascism has long been plagued by inadequate definitions of the ideology. Seeing as how you are a major academic institution in a self-professed fascist state, how would you define fascism, both as an ideology and as practiced in the Grand World Order? What are its economic policies, its social policies, its cultural policies? What distinguishes it from ordinary authoritarian rule?

OOC: Counter-pwned, apparently.

OOC: Not really, i mostly saw smug remarks and question-dodging by saying "Oh lololol you didn't get our irony." But hey, I'm not 100% Fascist.. only about 60%, so i wont get involved.

OOC: Not really, i mostly saw smug remarks and question-dodging by saying "Oh lololol you didn't get our irony." But hey, I'm not 100% Fascist.. only about 60%, so i wont get involved.

OOC: The whole damn report was an ironic commentary on the idiocy of the fascist movement! If the argument is completely off-topic from what I'm trying to get across, or if you over-analyze part of the metaphor, it gets difficult to respond to.

OOC: Hey, Leistung, why don't you throw a jab at EC by making your anti-Islamic Nationalist movement report?

OOC: Hey, Leistung, why don't you throw a jab at EC by making your anti-Islamic Nationalist movement report?

OOC: If by Islamic Nationalism you mean, "Kill the infidels and those unworthy of life in the eyes of Allah," I don't think we need a report to know how close-minded and idiotic that is.

OOC: East Congaree is a state that wishes to establish Islam around the world, and bans any religions other than Islam or Christianity, save Roman Catholocism, which it opposes. It supports the idea of an international Islamic Federation consisting of semi-autonomous states for nationalities within the faith. It is, in many aspects, Fascist.

OOC: East Congaree is Muslim Nationalist? :o

OOC: Yes, EC is Islamic Nationalist. Also, even though we have a distaste for Roman Catholocism which makes this statement weird, i'd sort of call us "Islamic Francoist", because we're not really that revolutionary, and we're more traditionalist than Fascist states.

No my friend, that would be philosophy. Educated individuals study it, as do civilized nations, so it is therefore understandable why no one in the Grand World Order has ever heard of it.



And again the irony is lost on you. Unsurprising, really.



You are referring to a subspecies, not a species. Even if you were correct, this point is so far off-topic that we as readers are still trying to figure out out what you were getting at.



We have already agreed that fascists are biologically human--reading the report itself would probably help before launching into a tirade of completely off-topic points. You emphasize "biologically" while meanwhile we have stated numerous times that it is the human condition we are most interested in.



Blah blah irony lost blah blah. Apparently our attempts at humor passed you by.



Hauptstadt is the German word for capital city, not the name of our capital per se. Since people in the GWO speak EGI or some form of an English-German-Italian language, presumably one would be well versed in at least the basic vocabulary of German.



You have to forgive us here, but Hans almost peed his pants.



What your government does, which directly affects your life should the Federal Republic ever choose to take direct action for the lives lost, should concern you very much. Very much.
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OOC: Counter-pwned, apparently.

Response of the Grand University Freshman

Ah, philosophy. A semi-obsolete subject with no real scientific backing.

The entire debate comes down to this: You cannot scientifically prove Fascists are "sub-human" (Which is, in itself, hypocritical) and you never will be able to. A human is a human.

A Neanderthal is actually a different species altogether, with the similarity being the genus, not subspecies. Subspecies would be something like black people or white people.

The human mind is simply a collection of electrical impulses, and electrical impulses don't change the species. By your standards, anyone with a mental handicap is subhuman, and you seem to not mind if a "subhuman" is made to suffer. So does that mean you'd be perfectly fine with a man hanging a mentally retarded person?

You also claim that it's ironic that Fascists label people as "subhuman" and then complain when they are called subhuman. Let me tell you; there is not one person labeled as a "subhuman" in the GWO. Sure, sometimes a Foreign Affairs member lets that word slip, but that's simply figure of speech, as well as a part of their attempts at intimidation. The only things officially subhuman in the GWO are the Neko and Furry races, but that's simply because they scientifically ARE subhuman.

The final note is, there is no hard evidence, no hard proof, that a Fascist is subhuman. The philosophy crap is simply speculation, and has no true scientific value. One is not born Fascist, a Fascist is made. Griffith Artiche was actually a Left-wing Liberal (Though he was very ashamed of it afterwards) before he became Fascist, simply because he saw more merits in Fascism than Liberalism and democracy. And I do believe everyone can agree with me that no one can actually change species, whatever you call it, during their lifetime. Suddenly, just because one changes their ideals, does not mean they are subhuman. A person's ideology can change during life. Hell, one day one our own Grand Commander might turn Communist. It is possible. I could become a liberal one day, I could possibly even join the Liberty Confederation and fight the government.

And Leistung taking direct action against my country? That almost made me suffocate on my spaghetti laughing, and I completely gassed out the dorm.

To: Professor Hassan Omar, Department of Political Science, New Singapore University
From: Professor Antoine Della Rocca, Grand University of Magna Polis

Fascism is the belief in an autocratic government (Though democratic forms do exist; see East Congaree for an example) that seeks national unity by promoting an idea, religion, or in some rather unsavory cases, race or sexual orientation. In the Federation, the government seeks unity via ideology (Fascism and the Right Wing) and the fact that everyone is a human. Other things included in Fascism is nationalism, militarism, and in some cases, expansionism.

Economically, Fascist states vary. The Order is very capitalist, with almost everything being done by private corporations. However, the government can tell these companies to increase or decrease production, though this is reserved for certain situations. Some Fascist states practice a bit of Socialism. As for social policies, Fascist states typically take on a social Darwinist view, though there is some room for variation. Culturally, Fascist societies put down things considered detrimental to the state (Democracy, Communism, class conflict, etc) and seek national unity above most things.

((OOC: Leistung, EC means spreading Islam through the way of the Qur'an, which states that you cannot force Islam on other people, and other Abrahamic religions should be respected.))

Fascism is the belief in an autocratic government (Though democratic forms do exist; see East Congaree for an example) that seeks national unity by promoting an idea, religion, or in some rather unsavory cases, race or sexual orientation. In the Federation, the government seeks unity via ideology (Fascism and the Right Wing) and the fact that everyone is a human. Other things included in Fascism is nationalism, militarism, and in some cases, expansionism.

OOC: So Allanea is fascist now? LOL.

Fliers throughout the campus of the New Singapore University began to be spread out, advertising a talk on "Why the GWO isn't fascist: On the incoherent ideology of fascism" to be given by Professor Omar.

What he's defining as 'fascist' is little more than Second Reich Germany - authoritarian, but with a fairly mild hand. No references to the state as organism; Social Darwinism, but human equality(?). No ideological core. No wonder they mock philosophy; these guys don't have a philosophical core, just a generic distaste for left-wing politics...
We've got a little of Eco's culture-centered definition, a little of Laclau's emphasis on radical reaction. Overall, though, the GWO doesn't really hold to 'classical' fascism.

((OOC: Before you get carried away there, know that Professor Antoine left out certain details he didn't want to mention. In short, ICly he's trying to make Fascism look better.))

The entire debate comes down to this: You cannot scientifically prove Fascists are "sub-human" (Which is, in itself, hypocritical) and you never will be able to. A human is a human.

If only you could impart this rare glimpse of wisdom onto your allies. You still do not seem to understand that that, right there, is the purpose of our report. By showing the ones on the giving end of racism what it feels like to be on the receiving end, we aimed to, excuse the cliche, allow said person to walk a mile in the receiving end's shoes.

We must admit that we are actually proud that someone has managed to find meaning in our report (even if you have completely missed the point), and pray that the next time you support an ally's butchery of an ethnic group or discrimination against a religious movement, you go back to this self-revelation and repeat to yourself what you have stated here today.

A Neanderthal is actually a different species altogether, with the similarity being the genus, not subspecies. Subspecies would be something like black people or white people.

Our reference was to your claim that we were Homo sapiens sapiens rather than Homo sapiens. Homo sapiens would be the species, and if you would like to add in a slightly more...eugenic spin, subspecies can technically vary between sapiens sapiens and, for example sapiens idaltu.

The human mind is simply a collection of electrical impulses, and electrical impulses don't change the species. By your standards, anyone with a mental handicap is subhuman, and you seem to not mind if a "subhuman" is made to suffer. So does that mean you'd be perfectly fine with a man hanging a mentally retarded person?

You are yet again misrepresenting our points. Our ideas are merely psychologically related, not biologically, as we have continually stated. Please to not continue this line of questioning; your inability to accept that you are not asking questions related to our report is beginning to irk us.

As to the rest of your rant, the revelation you have already had is sufficient, and we refuse to continue your rather idiotic line of questioning now that you have taken a point (albeit in the wrong way) out of our report.

And Leistung taking direct action against my country? That almost made me suffocate on my spaghetti laughing, and I completely gassed out the dorm.

At the risk of giving away too much about past military plans, you should know how close you were blockade and complete obliteration. Believe us or don't, but keep that fact in the back of your mind.

It was nearly the end of the day. The provocative title meant that, in spite of it being a sunny Friday, perfect for taking the day off, the majority of students showed up. Professor Omar had already finished his talk, and the Q&A had featured some interesting back-and-forth. "Alright, time for one more. Mitsui?" Omar called on the older, combative engineering student, a transfer from Tokyo.

"Sure. You say that we know fascism is weak since the most vocal fascists use the language of liberals, not of fascists, in defending themselves - since, in other words, they do not have the courage to stand by their own ideals. Yet what about our state?" Mitsui Tenno asked.

"But is the Confederacy of Defense Corporations really fascist? It doesn't put violence as the ultimate good, it doesn't place Communism as its greatest foe, it's not militaristic or imperialistic. It's not the least bit nationalistic, for that matter," Omar countered.

"Still, is it more dangerous that it doesn't feel compelled to defend itself?"

"How so?"

"Well, consider this: Nobody here will denounce me to a secret police or anything like that. You all can freely go and tell people that the Confederacy must go. And you'll get people to say, yes, it is bad. Yes, we don't need it. But nobody will act, because people are too invested in the system! The Confederacy has the ideology of a cancer infecting everyone, a Triad that gets respect through fear. It doesn't need to defend itself; its reputation defends it."

"Ah yes, the class demagogue strikes again."

"And who funds the New Singapore University?"

"Does it matter? Getting back to your question - is the Confederacy dangerous because it doesn't defend itself? I don't have much time left to answer it, but, briefly, no - after all, how can it be a threat when it doesn't even argue for itself?"