Daniels island denies nuclear interest [Archive]

Saint Clair Island

21-02-2009, 23:34

~ Official CSSA Communication ~

Dear Mr. Daniels;

The Constitutional Sovereignty of Saevitian Archipelago must emphasize that there is nothing wrong with an interest in pursuing nuclear power, which the CSSA itself utilizes; and that building or purchasing nuclear weapons is not something we consider threatening to the international community, when done by legitimate, recognized nations.

However, the recent actions of your administration have called that legitimacy into question. Warmongering, plus associating with illegitimate states, and little evidence that you can provide for your citizens, has led us to withdraw our recognition of Daniels Island as a nation, to our regret. However, should you prove capable of maintaining internal peace and prosperity, and avoiding the threat of war and weapons of mass destruction, it is likely that your recognition will be reinstated within nine to twelve months.

We must emphasize that this is not an economic sanction, nor a blight on future diplomatic relations with DI should it regain its legitimacy. However, official government interaction with Daniels Island -- trade and diplomacy -- will be considered to involve a non-national entity, rather than an actual state.

Wishing for a better future,
Gerard Karajan
Sir Gerard Karajan
Crown Secretary for Foreign Affairs
9th Earl of Saint Thomas Island, etc., etc.

Daniels Island

21-02-2009, 23:48

I.S.D.I
COMMUNICATION

We understand, Saint Clairs reason and accept the time punishment, We hope one day our two Nations can work together.

Zoingo

22-02-2009, 03:50

Official Rapid Communique.

Most Certainly, We Thank you For Acknowledging Our Change.

Official Communique

International Affairs Department, 500 Dan Drive, Amsteldam, Zoingo

To: Daniels Islands
Subject: Protectorate Status

Excellent, if you would like, the Commonwealth could for a period of 3-6 months take on Daniels Islands as a protectorate of Zoingo. We could offer military protection, economic support, as well as "Rp advice" for that period of time.

However, we would ask of a few things:

-For the period of the 'protectionism period' the nation of Daniels Islands must not build any form of nuclear weapons. However, the Commonwealth would support if not highly encourage the nation of Daniels Islands to build Missile Defense systems and/or Nuclear Power Plants.

-The Nation of Daniels Islands would limit its ties to the Nuclear Coalition or completely sever them. We are afraid that unstable nations such as FSSU should not be allied to DI for worry of international scrutiny and other bad partaking that could occur from an alliance.

-If The Nation of Daniels Islands wishes to go to war against another nation, they must give a legitimate reason for us to send aid to them.

-If such an agreement is to occur, we suggest that you meet us in our capital city for all the details.

In return we promise to:

-Stay out of your foreign policy making and decisions towards other nations (including ourselves)
-Not restrict the rights of Daniels Islands to exploit its own resources or its right to free trade
-To interfere as little as possible in the running of the government of Daniels Islands
-Respect the natural rights of Daniels Islands' citizens and their customs

Sarrowquand

22-02-2009, 04:16

ooc: please assume we have legitimatley gained some knowledge of your proposal Zong, either through media, gossip or consulting with DI on sending in our inspectors.

IC:
The Dominion government urges caution on the part of Daniels Island's government when taking up their agreement with Zoingo for protectorate status. Whilst the terms do indeed seem to be good a small nation must be very careful when entering such agreements lest they encounter the problems that others have faced. Such as Natzailey with the Generic Empire http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=562876 or Uiri and Il Korea http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=566054

Serbian_Soviet_Union

22-02-2009, 04:56

Official Communique

International Affairs Department, 500 Dan Drive, Amsteldam, Zoingo

To: Daniels Islands
Subject: Protectorate Status

Excellent, if you would like, the Commonwealth could for a period of 3-6 months take on Daniels Islands as a protectorate of Zoingo. We could offer military protection, economic support, as well as "Rp advice" for that period of time.

However, we would ask of a few things:

-For the period of the 'protectionism period' the nation of Daniels Islands must not build any form of nuclear weapons. However, the Commonwealth would support if not highly encourage the nation of Daniels Islands to build Missile Defense systems and/or Nuclear Power Plants.

-The Nation of Daniels Islands would limit its ties to the Nuclear Coalition or completely sever them. We are afraid that unstable nations such as FSSU should not be allied to DI for worry of international scrutiny and other bad partaking that could occur from an alliance.

-If The Nation of Daniels Islands wishes to go to war against another nation, they must give a legitimate reason for us to send aid to them.

-If such an agreement is to occur, we suggest that you meet us in our capital city for all the details.

In return we promise to:

-Stay out of your foreign policy making and decisions towards other nations (including ourselves)
-Not restrict the rights of Daniels Islands to exploit its own resources or its right to free trade
-To interfere as little as possible in the running of the government of Daniels Islands
-Respect the natural rights of Daniels Islands' citizens and their customs

OOC: I must strongly disagree with you with the remarks of calling my nation an unstable nation when infact, my nation has decided to freeze all of it's nuclear program for a period of three earth weeks to give time for my nation to develop economically, politically and to get more involved in the international world with a assertive policy. The economy of my nation has grown, the country in terms of politics have also grown and has started to develop friendly relations with other countries, opening it's trade routes, aiding new small nations in need in developing their economy those that have declared independence. My nation not once has been in a war with another nation, or has it threatened any nation of invasion or launching nuclear missiles and such. From where i am standing, my nation is pretty much stable in terms of economics, politics and diplomacy.

Zoingo

22-02-2009, 06:27

OOC: I must strongly disagree with you with the remarks of calling my nation an unstable nation when infact, my nation has decided to freeze all of it's nuclear program for a period of three earth weeks to give time for my nation to develop economically, politically and to get more involved in the international world with a assertive policy. The economy of my nation has grown, the country in terms of politics have also grown and has started to develop friendly relations with other countries, opening it's trade routes, aiding new small nations in need in developing their economy those that have declared independence. My nation not once has been in a war with another nation, or has it threatened any nation of invasion or launching nuclear missiles and such. From where i am standing, my nation is pretty much stable in terms of economics, politics and diplomacy.

ooc: The blunders that you have previously made will leave a wound on your nations that you can never repeal, regardless of how far you have come. Since the beginning, its been one tragedy after another with the nuclear arms limbo. Plus whole debate on weather or not small nations should have nuclear arms due to larger nations 'bulling them'. Your country may have grown in terms of economics, but in regards to foreign policy, there is nothing that has impressed me nor anyone else on the international scene. Other nations have been taking the fall for you when you should have been the one to take the blame (ie. The Coalition, and then Daniels Islands getting all the blame for its bad reputation, resulting in his invasion.) for the mistakes. The scrutiny from all of this has reached a new height, and even if you put off your weapons development, you are still building nuclear weapons regardless.

The fact that you still claim to hold nuclear weapons makes my country weary of classifying your country as a stable nation, due to not only your size but your previous statements of 'larger nations shouldn't bully smaller nations!!!!'.

The Wolf Hold

22-02-2009, 06:31

OOC: If i rember correctly neither I or Daniels Island were invaded due to his part or my part in the nuclear coaliton, actualy If I rember correctly it was because we attacked a Battlehawk airbase, that is all DI did. I had done more but that is a differnt matter.

Serbian_Soviet_Union

22-02-2009, 10:49

ooc: The blunders that you have previously made will leave a wound on your nations that you can never repeal, regardless of how far you have come. Since the beginning, its been one tragedy after another with the nuclear arms limbo. Plus whole debate on weather or not small nations should have nuclear arms due to larger nations 'bulling them'. Your country may have grown in terms of economics, but in regards to foreign policy, there is nothing that has impressed me nor anyone else on the international scene. Other nations have been taking the fall for you when you should have been the one to take the blame (ie. The Coalition, and then Daniels Islands getting all the blame for its bad reputation, resulting in his invasion.) for the mistakes. The scrutiny from all of this has reached a new height, and even if you put off your weapons development, you are still building nuclear weapons regardless.

The fact that you still claim to hold nuclear weapons makes my country weary of classifying your country as a stable nation, due to not only your size but your previous statements of 'larger nations shouldn't bully smaller nations!!!!'.

OOC: The resultment of DI's invasion was due to attacking the Battlehawk's airbase, i would appreciate it if you did not spread blatant propaganda about my nation like that and start speaking of the truth, since your nation has agreed to protect DI and allow DI to have his status as a protectorate to prevent any further or future invasions from other states. Nothing to do with nuclear bombs or nuclear arms. If there is a personal grudge against my nation Zoingo then just say it already and not create propagandas like that.

I also remember Salzland proposing a treaty he has made which had all the current and former members of the Nuclear Coalition sign the treaty which was satisfactory to both sides. But here you are telling a complete different story and not mentioning the truth facts to all of this.

However if DI wishes to denounce any Nuclear Proliferation in his nation then i will strongly support it and respect the decision made by the DI government and the nation. I will also come as far as aiding the nation in the fully dismantlement of all nuclear factories, materials as such which are capable of creating nukes if it is going to help DI in the long run.

Zoingo

22-02-2009, 16:27

OOC: The resultment of DI's invasion was due to attacking the Battlehawk's airbase, i would appreciate it if you did not spread blatant propaganda about my nation like that and start speaking of the truth, since your nation has agreed to protect DI and allow DI to have his status as a protectorate to prevent any further or future invasions from other states. Nothing to do with nuclear bombs or nuclear arms.

I also remember Salzland proposing a treaty he has made which had all the current and former members of the Nuclear Coalition sign the treaty which was satisfactory to both sides. But here you are telling a complete different story and not mentioning the truth facts to all of this.

However if DI wishes to denounce any Nuclear Proliferation in his nation then i will strongly support it and respect the decision made by the DI government and the nation. I will also come as far as aiding the nation in the fully dismantlement of all nuclear factories, materials as such which are capable of creating nukes if it is going to help DI in the long run.

ooc: If you can recall in the Nuclear Coalition thread (page 14 or 15) several nations decided to declare war against Daniels Islands but were eventually persuaded not to due to the efforts of several other nations (thank you Salzland to revitalize a new treaty. I am not saying that you are incorrect, but that was a big detail to several onlooking nations. I am only reporting the facts as it were.

Much of this started from the very beginning with your craze to build nuclear weapons, and then all of a sudden you and several nations decide 'hey, lets form a defensive nuclear arms coalition!' which, of course, is an oxymoron. Also, I never said anything about the Nuclear Coalition not having a signed treaty, please, follow your own advice and stop spitting out propaganda.

And for the last time Nuclear Weapons only bring the downfall of nations, there is no gain for building such monstrosities just so you can launch them. They will only bring trouble, that is why the alternatives, such as nuclear power plants or missile defense systems, are better investments.

If there is a personal grudge against my nation Zoingo then just say it already and not create propagandas like that.

This would help:

...not only your size but your previous statements of 'larger nations shouldn't bully smaller nations!!!!'.....

Serbian_Soviet_Union

23-02-2009, 00:55

ooc: If you can recall in the Nuclear Coalition thread (page 14 or 15) several nations decided to declare war against Daniels Islands but were eventually persuaded not to due to the efforts of several other nations (thank you Salzland to revitalize a new treaty. I am not saying that you are incorrect, but that was a big detail to several onlooking nations. I am only reporting the facts as it were.

Much of this started from the very beginning with your craze to build nuclear weapons, and then all of a sudden you and several nations decide 'hey, lets form a defensive nuclear arms coalition!' which, of course, is an oxymoron. Also, I never said anything about the Nuclear Coalition not having a signed treaty, please, follow your own advice and stop spitting out propaganda.

And for the last time Nuclear Weapons only bring the downfall of nations, there is no gain for building such monstrosities just so you can launch them. They will only bring trouble, that is why the alternatives, such as nuclear power plants or missile defense systems, are better investments.

This would help:

My nation has over 5 nuclear powerplants up and running in my nation. We also have purchased Missile Defense Systems against such missile and nuclear attacks comming from hostile nations. However, after the period of three weeks, we will continue to produce nuclear arms but smaller, and the biggest nuclear weapon we will build is upto 20MT as max.

These nations that have tried to declare war on DI are those nations who are hostile and bullies to smaller and medium size nations and wish to world police which is something that is not going to happen. Falkasia and Salzland threatened to intervene on those hostile nations if they went along in there plan of declaring war on DI and invading it. If you continue to read closely, those same very nations which Falkasia and Salzland has stopped had also tried to declare war on my nation.

Daniels Island

23-02-2009, 01:07

OOC: Proposition? Zoingo

Lynion

23-02-2009, 01:16

OOC: Are you after a nation to take you in as a Protectorate State?

Daniels Island

23-02-2009, 01:21

OOC: Yes yes

Lynion

23-02-2009, 01:25

OOC: I'll write up an offer in a minute.

Lynion

23-02-2009, 02:09

TO: Daniels Island Government
FROM: Vamperial Kingdom of Lynion, High King Vamp
RE: Protectorate State

It has being noted that your nation wishes to become a Protectorate State of a nation. In return of becoming part of the Vamperial Kingdom, you'll be granted military protection, economic aid, improvement in your military and the first steps of stablilising your nation.

I would also like to state now, that where there's acceptance, there's going to be conditions if you wish to become part of the Vamperial Kingdom until your stablility is proven. Therefore, I'll put forward the conditions and what you'll be given in return.

Conditions:

1) While your a Protectorate State under the guidence of the Vamperial Kingdom, it will be required of you to scrap/remove your nuclear weapons program if its still running. This is a major factor of becoming a Protectorate State under the Vamperial Kingdom as the Vamperial Kingdom doesn't have and discourages nuclear weapons since its brings a nations downfall. However, Nuclear Power Plants are accepted in the Vamperial Kingdom.

2) Your position as part of the so called 'Nuclear Coalition' or member status will have to be limited or you'll remove yourself from the 'Nuclear Coalition'. This will effect your status with the Vamperial Kingdom as like we stated before, we don't harbour, produce or use nuclear weapons.

3) When going to war, you'll be required to come before the Vamperial Order Council and give a stable, secured and firm reason why your going to war and why the Vamperial Kingdom should be taking part in the conflict.

4) During times of war, you will be required to aid the Vamperial Kingdom during times of war. However, since we wage little war, this won't be a common thing. I will also state that you may be called upon to dispatch a group to aid in peace-keeping efforts alongside the Vamperial Kingdom Forces.

In return...

1) The Vamperial Kingdom will leave your foriegn affairs alone to your government. However, if we're forced to, we may intervine but at this time, I have faith that it'll never come to this.

2) You'll be allowed to have open trade amongest the Vamperial Kingdom including its colonies. However, there will be some resictions on some products but we can discuss that another time.

3) We'll not intervine when your making free trade with another nation as your government should be allowed to make free trade.

4) If you wish, we'll establish a military base to support your nation and install a anti-ballistic missile system for your nation. Both will be under the supervision of a Vamperial Master. This will also inculde the ability to shoot down incoming nuclear missiles with the anti-ballistic missile system.

5) We'll not intervine with your government. However, if it proves to become too unstable, we will be forced to intervine. If required, you can request for aid from Lynion as long its for a suitable reason and the aid goes where it needs to go too.

6) You'll have equal rights and the same rights as a Lynionion in the Vamperial Kingdom. However, you'll be looked after by the League of Wolves when it comes to military aid and military supplies.

All trade agreements can be discuss when your ready and aid can be discussed as well.

OOC: Now this is the part where I say something random due to that damn annoying thing that pops up saying "Your 3 characters too short!"

Zoingo

23-02-2009, 04:02

OOC: Proposition? Zoingo

ooc: oh, here is the 'jist' of the proposal, (it was posted above, though sometimes my posts can be hard to find :)) Added things are in red:

However, we would ask of a few things:

-For the period of the 'protectionism period' the nation of Daniels Islands must not build any form of nuclear or biological weapons. However, the Commonwealth would support if not highly encourage the nation of Daniels Islands to build Missile Defense systems and/or Nuclear Power Plants. We could provide funds and aid for the building of the projects.

-The Nation of Daniels Islands would limit its ties to the Nuclear Coalition or completely sever them. We are afraid that unstable nations such as FSSU should not be allied to DI for worry of international scrutiny and other bad partaking that could occur from an alliance. Any harboring of nuclear weapons is unacceptable.

-If The Nation of Daniels Islands wishes to go to war against another nation, they must give a legitimate reason for us to send aid to them. Such reasons must be directed to the royal government in Amsterdam

-If such an agreement is to occur, we suggest that you meet us in our capital city for all the details. Any further amendments to this agreement can and will be allowed, though must go through our government.

In return we promise to:

-Stay out of your foreign policy making and decisions towards other nations (including ourselves)
-Not restrict the rights of Daniels Islands to exploit its own resources or its right to free trade
-To interfere as little as possible in the running of the government of Daniels Islands unless the government position becomes too unstable or fragments.
-Respect the natural rights of Daniels Islands' citizens and their customs and give them the same rights as our citizens
-Establish a method of military protection and add Daniels Islands to the Commonwealth's defensive grid. We will also provide military, tactical, and economic advice if needed.

OOC: Now this is the part where I say something random due to that damn annoying thing that pops up saying "Your 3 characters too short!"

ooc: Lol I hate that, when I try to post just a smiley, it always turns me down.

Serbian_Soviet_Union

23-02-2009, 04:09

OOC: Zoingo what is your definition of unstable nations??

Zoingo

23-02-2009, 06:14

OOC: Zoingo what is your definition of unstable nations??

ooc: I can gladly answer that question FSSU.

The Definition of a 'Unstable Nation' in the Zoingonian Dictionary of International Affairs clearly states:

-A nation in which is not stable and /or corrupt, and/or disentigrated, and/or disorganized in lacking a form of centralized or federalist government.

A nation that is Unstable must meet at least 2 of the following conditions.

1. The nation is hostile to other nations in the form of military or terrorist ways.
2. The nation is in possession of dangerous weapons (nuclear, biological, etc.)
3. The nation is in a state of governmental collapse
4. The nation is a supporter and/or harbor of terrorists.
5. The nation is looked upon by a great deal of international nations as a threat to the world at large (weather the country is stable or not)
6. The nation must express the need to impose an/its ideology upon another nation/group of nations/the world though the needs of military force.

Serbian_Soviet_Union

23-02-2009, 06:28

OOC: Let's see if my nation meets any of the requirements of fitting into the unstable nations category.

1. Does not meet the requirements as my nation is not hostile towards other nations or has threatened an act of war with other nations, threatening an invasion or threatening the security of that nation or region.

2. Many nations are in possession of nuclear arms including your nations and majority of large nations and veteran nations. Possession of such nuclear arms does not define the nation of being unstable.

3. My nation is far from in a state of governmental collapse. Therefore we do not fit in this requirement either.

4. My nation is strongly opposed to terrorism or harboring terrorism as we have a very large police force and a huge government funding to the law and order of FSSU. Therefore we do not fall in this requirement either.

5. There is a saying, a national hero is another nations terrorist. Opinions do not classify or define the nation of being unstable.

6. Never. The internal affairs of another nation is none of the business of FSSU. Some large nations who wish to world police have this problem and therefore meet this requirement.

Nice try anyway.

Lynion

23-02-2009, 07:17

OOC: Why do you its hard for the FSSU to establish a trade agreement with Lynion?

Imperial isa

23-02-2009, 07:21

OOC: Why do you its hard for the FSSU to establish a trade agreement with Lynion?

ooc i could tell you,but i don't want my ass kicked by a mod

Serbian_Soviet_Union

23-02-2009, 10:14

*bump*

Lynion

23-02-2009, 11:45

OOC: SSU, how long until that purposal is done?

Serbian_Soviet_Union

23-02-2009, 12:35

OOC: By tommorow my proposal will be done and i will be presenting it.

Daniels Island

23-02-2009, 16:33

I.S.D.I

The I.S.D.I Government have decided to go with The Nation of Zoingos offer, We shall enter talks with Zoingo later on in the week, we shall be in touch

Connor m Daniels (President)

(OOC: Im really busy back at boxingtraining now so will continue this later on in the week :D)

Ustio North

23-02-2009, 18:10

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Official Communique

To: Connor M Daniels, President Of Daniels Island
From: Dwight McArthur, Prime Minister Of Ustio North
CC:
RE: Nuclear Interest

The government and people of the United Kingdom are glad to see the change of attitude by the Daniels Island government concerning nuclear weapons. With the controversy of the Nuclear Coalition and the other internal issues, we have been highly concerned for the people of both Daniels Island and the world. Hopefully, this change of attitude will be the first of many, and hopefully our nations can have a stable relationship sometime in the future.

Sincerely,

Dwight McArthur,
Prime Minister

Zoingo

24-02-2009, 00:04

2. Many nations are in possession of nuclear arms including your nations and majority of large nations and veteran nations. Possession of such nuclear arms does not define the nation of being unstable.
Nice try anyway.

ooc: For the last time, I do not have nuclear weapons. The utter point of having them is like playing tether-ball with only one person, you will only get smacked in the face if you hit it so hard. And by definition, the point of a nuclear weapon is to cause mass destruction, clearly a threat to another unarmed nation. Thus, that is why a nation that has such weapons in the world (NS wise) is to be looked upon with caution.

In short FSSU, nuclear weapons are inhumane, uncivilized, impractical, and at this point, useless in NS warfare.

I.S.D.I

The I.S.D.I Government have decided to go with The Nation of Zoingos offer, We shall enter talks with Zoingo later on in the week, we shall be in touch

Connor m Daniels (President)

(OOC: Im really busy back at boxingtraining now so will continue this later on in the week :D)

Official Rapid Communique

If you would like, we already have a meeting going on right now with other nations. If you would like to jump in on it to save valuable space in our limited time slots, we would greatly appreciate it.

Francis Pïèrock- Foreign Affairs Head

ooc: its okay, I have been bombed with tests, we all have something to do.

Gesford

24-02-2009, 01:07

ooc: For the last time, I do not have nuclear weapons. The utter point of having them is like playing tether-ball with only one person, you will only get smacked in the face if you hit it so hard. And by definition, the point of a nuclear weapon is to cause mass destruction, clearly a threat to another unarmed nation. Thus, that is why a nation that has such weapons in the world (NS wise) is to be looked upon with caution.

In short FSSU, nuclear weapons are inhumane, uncivilized, impractical, and at this point, useless in NS warfare.

OOC: I tried to get this point across before in one of the other threads about the Nuclear Coalition, and a bunch of storefront owners jumped all over me with some half-baked excuses for nuclear weapons that illustrated their complete lack of foreign policy sense.

Serbian_Soviet_Union

24-02-2009, 02:08

ooc: For the last time, I do not have nuclear weapons. The utter point of having them is like playing tether-ball with only one person, you will only get smacked in the face if you hit it so hard. And by definition, the point of a nuclear weapon is to cause mass destruction, clearly a threat to another unarmed nation. Thus, that is why a nation that has such weapons in the world (NS wise) is to be looked upon with caution.

In short FSSU, nuclear weapons are inhumane, uncivilized, impractical, and at this point, useless in NS warfare.

This is only an opinion of yours. They do not have to be uncivilised or impractical if properly safeguarding procedures are in place to ensure they do not get into the wrong hands of unstable nations, terrorism and that no country is to threaten security of another nation or region inorder to justify it by having nukes.

Zoingo

24-02-2009, 04:07

This is only an opinion of yours. They do not have to be uncivilised or impractical if properly safeguarding procedures are in place, to ensure they do not get into the wrong hands of unstable nations, terrorism......

ooc: Keep preaching to the mirror, because the mirror is whacking you in the face.

It is a matter of looking at the facts, a few nuclear weapons have the capacity to wipe out entire countries, millions if not billions of unarmed civilians, and drastically alter an environment, and you call that civilized? Impractical, because most of todays NS nations carry Missile Defense Systems and/or have very active intelligence agencies that could prevent the firing of smaller nuclear weapons.

And you arn't exactly 'out of the woods' in the unstable nation's department, your views on nuclear weapons in iteslf is a hypocracy. Using nuclear weapons for defensive purposes, well, defeat the purpose of having weapons that carry the element of supprise and destruction. That is what the defense systems are for, carrying nuclear weapons doesn't exactly earn you any credit in the respect department.

and that no country, is to threaten security of another nation or region, in order to justify it, by having nukes.

Are you implying that a country can't threaten another country because the country they are threatning has nukes? If so, then I can agree on that; however, if it was the other way around, then there is justification for other members of a region to threaten the country (the one holding the nuclear weapons) that is attacking the other country.

Serbian_Soviet_Union

24-02-2009, 04:20

ooc: Keep preaching to the mirror, because the mirror is whacking you in the face.

OOC: My nation will disregard this as point of view from your nation, nothing less and nothing more then that.

It is a matter of looking at the facts, a few nuclear weapons have the capacity to wipe out entire countries, millions if not billions of unarmed civilians, and drastically alter an environment, and you call that civilized?

Yet still 50/50 of the NS population of nations have nuclear arms in possession including large nations and veteran nations and does that make them unstable nations and uncivilised nations?

Impractical, because most of todays NS nations carry Missile Defense Systems and/or have very active intelligence agencies that could prevent the firing of smaller nuclear weapons.

Including my nation.

And you arn't exactly 'out of the woods' in the unstable nation's department, your views on nuclear weapons in iteslf is a hypocracy.

That is only based on your personal opinion and this personal grudge you have. Nothing more or nothing less then that and there is nothing you can use to base facts that my nation is unstable and uncivilised, the only thing you do is use nuclear arms of creating propaganda campaign against another nation of being uncivilised and unstable.

Using nuclear weapons for defensive purposes, well, defeat the purpose of having weapons that carry the element of supprise and destruction.

If a hostile nation were to fire a nuclear warhead in my nation, nothing would stop it from retialiating back by firing the warhead back to the nation that fired it or a better idea is to use my missile defense systems to intercept the warhead back to the nation that fired it in the first place.

That is what the defense systems are for, carrying nuclear weapons doesn't exactly earn you any credit in the respect department.

Does this apply to everysingle nation in NS that have nuclear arms in possession?? Or only applies to my nation?

Imperial isa

24-02-2009, 04:20

ooc Zoingo you wasting you time try to talk to SSU

Serbian_Soviet_Union

24-02-2009, 04:21

OOC: Imperial isa does your nation possess nuclear arms?

Gesford

24-02-2009, 04:30

If a hostile nation were to fire a nuclear warhead in my nation, nothing would stop it from retialiating back by firing the warhead back to the nation that fired it or a better idea is to use my missile defense systems to intercept the warhead back to the nation that fired it in the first place.
OOC:

1. If it's unprovoked, you can just ignore them. I doubt any serious RPer here is just going to up and nuke you out of the blue.

2. Oh my god that's not how missile defense systems work.

3. Why is it that talking to you is like talking to a very wasted brick wall?

Techno-Soviet

24-02-2009, 04:52

OOC: There has to be at least several hundred thousand satellites in orbit. How do you guys keep them from crashing into each other? I've never seen an RP post where a satellite crashed into another.

Ever.

Gesford

24-02-2009, 04:54

OOC: They're veeerrry tiny...

Serbian_Soviet_Union

24-02-2009, 04:55

OOC: From what i have seen, they are not tiny, but they are tiny from a very long distance. But the closer you get to them, the bigger they get.

Gesford

24-02-2009, 04:57

OOC: I will never forget the post above this one.

Serbian_Soviet_Union

24-02-2009, 05:00

Imperial isa

24-02-2009, 05:02

OOC: Imperial isa does your nation possess nuclear arms?
ooc which nation i play two Technology

Gesford

24-02-2009, 05:03

OOC: It certainly takes a lot of brainpower to remember all of this really important stuff.

Serbian_Soviet_Union

24-02-2009, 05:03

ooc which nation i play two Technology

OOC: Does your nation possess any nuclear arms?

Gesford

24-02-2009, 05:07

OOC: Because asking again, harder, makes it easier for him to answer the question.

Tarsonis Survivors

24-02-2009, 05:14

OOC: I heard from another person that there is a Missile Defense System orbiting the earth, and if any of my missile silo's were to open, the warheads would automatically be launched and taken from me by the sattelite? Is that true or is it godminning fantasy?? I definently wont forget it either.

OOC: god mod fantasy, the onlly way to launch another nations is to have each missile's activation and launch codes. not even the U.S. can launch another country's missiles other wise we would.

Zoingo

24-02-2009, 05:17

OOC: My nation will disregard this as point of view from your nation, nothing less and nothing more then that.

Actually, since it was not in character, that is not my nation's official point of view. Opps! Try again.

Yet still 50/50 of the NS population of nations have nuclear arms in possession including large nations and veteran nations and does that make them unstable nations and uncivilized nations?

Oh on the contrary, I can tell you as a veteran nation that it is not 50/50, many older nations (since the nation of British Londinium and its several glassing incidents) have disarmed and/or have switched to missile defense systems. The whole point of RP'ing nuclear weapons has become stupid at most amongst better rp'ing nations. If a nation still has a nuclear arsenal, it is for the most part, put onto the back burner.

Including my nation.

So, Why do you need nuclear weapons? Is it to make you seem powerful? Is this another edition of 'pimp out my country'?

That is only based on your personal opinion and this personal grudge you have. Nothing more or nothing less then that and there is nothing you can use to base facts that my nation is unstable and uncivilised, the only thing you do is use nuclear arms of creating propaganda campaign against another nation of being uncivilized and unstable.

It seems that whenever I back you into a corner, you start to rant and rave about this being a 'personal grudge' and it being 'propaganda' against your nation. I can assure you its no grudge, but may I remind you of some of your previous statements:

That is a great suggestion but at the moment this country does not have any enemies at all however reason in creating a 500Megaton Nuclear Warhead is to increase the security of my country as there are many aggressive nations out there including those who are not a member of WA.
The Federation of the Serbian Soviet Union will not be using the nuclear warheads to threaten another nation's security or will be using them in any mean to destablise the nation or the region.

The Lynion Nation, the government and it's officials should not be worried or alarming about the issue as the FSSU will not be using them to threaten the security of the Lynion Nation or any other nation in particular.
I strongly encourage small nations to possess nuclear arms if it means increasing the level of security in their nation.
The coalition does not have any plans on using them or going into war with any states or regions or the mean to threaten the security of any regions or countries. We will not be bullied by big states in creating nuclear warheads...........We are not planning on going to war with any country and it has never been mentioned that we would use these nuclear bombs to go to war with countries.

And this is only the beginning, do you know what the definition of a nuclear weapon is? :

Noun 1. nuclear weapon - a weapon of mass destruction whose explosive power derives from a nuclear reaction

Now, lets see what a weapon of mass destruction is:

In arms control usage, weapons that are capable of a high order of destruction and/or of being used in such a manner as to destroy large numbers of people, often seen as used during times of war. The term can be applied to nuclear, chemical, biological, and radiological weapons.

If a hostile nation were to fire a nuclear warhead in my nation, nothing would stop me from retaliating back by firing the warhead back to the nation that fired it or a better idea is to use my missile defense systems to intercept the warhead back to the nation that fired it in the first place.

Again, then what is the point of the nuclear weapons?. Firing one nuke into another just makes a bigger explosion.

Does this apply to everysingle nation in NS that have nuclear arms in possession?? Or only applies to my nation?

Actually, that applies to any nation that has a nuclear arsenal, although as I keep saying, most older nations no longer use them anymore.

ooc Zoingo you wasting you time try to talk to SSU Good point, he will probably be annexed into another nation/ turned into glass/ be invaded anyway.

OOC:

3. Why is it that talking to you is like talking to a very wasted brick wall?

ooc:
On #3 Gesford, its due to ignorance, as they say "a learned blockhead is a better blockhead than an ignorant one". In this case, the learned blockhead is DI, and I think you can figure out the rest.

Fatatatutti

24-02-2009, 05:21

So, Why do you need nuclear weapons?
Penis envy.

Gesford

24-02-2009, 05:23

OOC: I hope it will spell itself out clearly enough. The entertainment...

Tarsonis Survivors

24-02-2009, 05:32

Again, then what is the point of the nuclear weapons?. Firing one nuke into another just makes a bigger explosion.

not true, learn how nukes work before you talk about them. Nukes are not usuallly impact triggered but are timer based. if you drop a bomb on an unarmed nuclear bomb you will just have a normal explosion. even if you drop a bomb on an armed nuke you will just have a normal explosion however the risk of a dirty bomb is there. the radiation can still be spread.

Serbian_Soviet_Union

24-02-2009, 05:38

OOC: god mod fantasy, the onlly way to launch another nations is to have each missile's activation and launch codes. not even the U.S. can launch another country's missiles other wise we would.

OOC: I thought so too, thanks.

Zoingo

24-02-2009, 05:39

Penis envy.

OOC: I hope it will spell itself out clearly enough. The entertainment...

ooc: I guess that settles it then, but still, I would rather conquer something that is in one piece, (or a few pieces), than several million billion trillion pieces.

not true, learn how nukes work before you talk about them. Nukes are not usuallly impact triggered but are timer based. if you drop a bomb on an unarmed nuclear bomb you will just have a normal explosion. even if you drop a bomb on an armed nuke you will just have a normal explosion however the risk of a dirty bomb is there. the radiation can still be spread.

Thank you for your explanation, I have not used nuclear weapons before, but I have a bit of familiarity. I was not aware that most are now time based rather than impact triggered.

Salzland

24-02-2009, 05:41

OOC: I heard from another person that there is a Missile Defense System orbiting the earth, and if any of my missile silo's were to open, the warheads would automatically be launched and taken from me by the sattelite? Is that true or is it godminning fantasy?? I definently wont forget it either.

OOC: I assume the person in question meant that they would destroy your missiles if the silos opened and you launched them, which is entirely plausible and in fact a valid real-world tactic (see the YAL-1 Airborne Laser platform, manufactured by Boeing, for just one example).

Serbian_Soviet_Union

24-02-2009, 05:43

Thank you for your explanation, I have not used nuclear weapons before, but I have a bit of familiarity. I was not aware that most are now time based rather than impact triggered.

Before blabmouthing your propaganda and manipulating everything i have stated, please do some research on nuclear weapons before blabmouthing other nations and lecturing them on nuclear arms and nuclear proliferations.

OOC: I never said having nuclear weapons makes your nation more or less powerful, however i did state that it does increases the security of your nation aswell as having a Defense Missile System installed in the ground aswell as in space orbitting your space.

Gesford

24-02-2009, 05:46

OOC: Keep it up, keep it up, I'm really in need of some fun!

I love the word 'blabmouth', by the way. Is it a verb or noun, and can it be constructed into an adverb/adjective?

Techno-Soviet

24-02-2009, 05:48

OOC: ITT, FSSU trolls Zoingo after he posts a rather civil argument.

Zoingo

24-02-2009, 06:30

Before blabmouthing your propaganda and manipulating everything i have stated, please do some research on nuclear weapons before blabmouthing other nations and lecturing them on nuclear arms and nuclear proliferations.

OOC: I never said having nuclear weapons makes your nation more or less powerful, however i did state that it does increases the security of your nation aswell as having a Defense Missile System installed in the ground aswell as in space orbitting your space.

ooc: You do realize that the phrase 'blabmouthing' doesn't exist? Please, if we are to attain a civil conversation, don't resort to making up words.

Also, I do not believe I was 'spewing propaganda', if you count me admitting to a mistake, then shure, it was full fledged, harmful, meanspirited propaganda.

And again, why have both nuclear weapons and a defense system if the defense system takes care of everything? It seems when I ask that, or I get to a question about your previous statements, I get a response of "Propaganda.......Meanie head!!!" . Can someone explain this to me? It is leaving me confused.

OOC: ITT, FSSU trolls Zoingo after he posts a rather civil argument.
ooc:
I would have posted in big bold letters.....

the following statement. (http://img409.imageshack.us/img409/8258/pwned111za6.jpg)

but with FSSU, he never admits to a mistake ect. and instead of responding to my long and reasonable argument, he just goes and attacks another one of my posts that has little to relate.

Serbian_Soviet_Union

24-02-2009, 07:36

Also, I do not believe I was 'spewing propaganda', if you count me admitting to a mistake, then shure, it was full fledged, harmful, meanspirited propaganda.

Your calling my nation of being unstable yet you have nothing to back it up except for bringing in nuclear arms as an excuse to calling a nation being unstable.

And again, why have both nuclear weapons and a defense system if the defense system takes care of everything? It seems when I ask that, or I get to a question about your previous statements, I get a response of "Propaganda.......Meanie head!!!" . Can someone explain this to me? It is leaving me confused.

Why don't you ask another 5,000 nations who possess both the nuclear weapons and a missile defense system on why they have both.

but with FSSU, he never admits to a mistake ect. and instead of responding to my long and reasonable argument, he just goes and attacks another one of my posts that has little to relate.

Thats because a mistake has not been made.

And also in response to Techno-Soviet, no i am not trolling the person, but defending my nation when it's being called being unstable and there are no facts backing his statement up.

Lynion

24-02-2009, 07:44

Why don't you ask another 5,000 nations who possess both the nuclear weapons and a missile defense system on why they have both.

OOC: How about you stop repeating yourself over and over and actually take in some advice. Not everyone will have nuclear weapons. Even the Vamperial Kingdom isn't an idoit and won't harbour, produce or even use nuclear weapons.

Ustio North

24-02-2009, 16:18

OOC: I heard from another person that there is a Missile Defense System orbiting the earth, and if any of my missile silo's were to open, the warheads would automatically be launched and taken from me by the sattelite?

OOC: That was my system, one of three major Ustian Anti-Ballistic Missile Systems (Excaliber, ArcAngel and The Liberty Defence Perimeter). And since it uses an experimental laser, not a missile-based system, and I specifically retasked an ArcAngel satelite to orbit over your nation, I could theoretically do that.

OOC: god mod fantasy, the onlly way to launch another nations is to have each missile's activation and launch codes. not even the U.S. can launch another country's missiles other wise we would.

OOC: Yes, saying that I used his launch codes to destroy them in the silos is godmodding. However, I did not say that. FSSU, you need to get your facts straight before you post. I put an experimental anti-ballistic missile satelite over FSSU to destroy any nuclear weapons launched as quickly as possible. I did not godmod his launch codes, nor did I claim I could.

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