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OOC Thread for the conflict. I have taken the liberty to make this OOC Thread because of the recent clutter in the IC Thread. I urge all those involved in the conflict (and those who is not) NOT to post OOC Comments anymore at the IC Thread or on the old OOC Thread.

Empire Coalition

The Empire of the Philippiniada
The Armed Republic of The Wolf Hold

Neutral "Peacekeeping" Nations

Heirosoloa
Albundania
New Chalcedon

Comorostan Alliance

The People's Republic of Comorostan
Jakra
El Centro de Tierras

IC Thread HERE (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=583767)
Empire Map (http://i43.tinypic.com/2nizp06.jpg) Excuse my map-making skills, it's not the best.
Empire-Comorostan Border Map (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v236/dragonzlair2/BorderMap.png)
Credits:Heirosoloa.

I'd like to add that this is a military conflict for el Centro de Tierras, not a declared war, and I'd like it to be maintained that way.

@ Wolf Hound:
Personally I hope that you don't think I'm going to be charging directly at your tanks, there's much easier ways to get close to your tanks without being blown to bits, one of my favorites being terrain. Speaking of which, does Comorostan have a map?

Its Wolf HOLD

You have to rember my tanks wont be still for long, they are running about the Comorostanian rear areas, so your troops better be ready.

No he hasn't done one yet, but he bases his nation of sierra Leone

My apologies.

That's a good point, but then again, I doubt my commander will be engaging your troops if they're already behind the Comoreños, seeing as I didn't know that lil' tid-bit of information my troops would be doing their best to avoid you until you're comfortably behind allied lines. And, thank you.

Well unless somthing major happens in this RP or my Invasion RP, I will be off for the night, so just to clairify anotone planning on any RP changing events or can I go? *begins playing 4 minute warning*

I'm not planning anything...

Hello... Jakra?

Imperial Black Guards on the way. Hehe.
I love this kind of action, especially when i have to used defensive tactics AND offensive tactics. :D

Right. I have posted this to the old OOC thread and am re-copying it here. I recall that Wolf Hold is the peacekeeping nation in question, and my forces are intended to that effect.

The Imperial order of battle (OrBat), fighting alongside the peacekeepers, will be as follows:

Naval:

1*modified Queen Elizabeth-class carrier (Empress Eirena), taskforce flagship
4*modifed Ticonderoga-class cruisers.
8 each of modified ANZAC-class frigates and 8 F100-class destroyers.
4*Type 212 conventional submarines.

In all, a fairly typical light task force for the Imperial Navy, as it is all that we could reasonably have in the area. Then the Army's ships:

2* Wasp-class amphibious assault vessels, configured for maximum troop load. Modified for slightly improved self-defense capabilities.
2* Cunard Line ocean liners, modified for troop carrying and deployment. (Bear in mind, QE2 carried 3,000 troops during the Falklands War.)
8* replenishment vessels, for extended operations. They carry missiles, ammunition, spare parts and consumables.

LAND FORCES:

1*Imperial Army battle group, with support corps. Broken down, this becomes:

- 51st Infantry Brigade. (4,000 infantry. Good training and leadership, excellent equipment. Overall, they are skilled and dedicated infantry, but not elite or the best in the field.)
- 116th Armoured Battalion. (24 Challenger-2 MBTs. The best in the world, IMO, and benefiting from extensive electronics refits.)
- 54th Artillery Battalion. (18 PzH-2000 155mm field artillery pieces. Again, top-of-the-line tech. Hey, what's the point of large military budgets if you don't got good equipment?).

Air units: 12*Eurofighter Typhoon (I have a soft spot for these - their maneuvrability is legendary) aboard each of the Wasp-class vessels, plus 48 aboard the carrier, for a total of 72 fighters.
24* Eurocopter Tiger (ARH variant), equipeed with a variety of loadouts.

I think that covers all the bases reasonably.....

Right. I have posted this to the old OOC thread and am re-copying it here. I recall that Wolf Hold is the peacekeeping nation in question, and my forces are intended to that effect.

The Imperial order of battle (OrBat), fighting alongside the peacekeepers, will be as follows:

Naval:

1*modified Queen Elizabeth-class carrier (Empress Eirena), taskforce flagship
4*modifed Ticonderoga-class cruisers.
8 each of modified ANZAC-class frigates and 8 F100-class destroyers.
4*Type 212 conventional submarines.

In all, a fairly typical light task force for the Imperial Navy, as it is all that we could reasonably have in the area. Then the Army's ships:

2* Wasp-class amphibious assault vessels, configured for maximum troop load. Modified for slightly improved self-defense capabilities.
2* Cunard Line ocean liners, modified for troop carrying and deployment. (Bear in mind, QE2 carried 3,000 troops during the Falklands War.)
8* replenishment vessels, for extended operations. They carry missiles, ammunition, spare parts and consumables.

LAND FORCES:

1*Imperial Army battle group, with support corps. Broken down, this becomes:

- 51st Infantry Brigade. (4,000 infantry. Good training and leadership, excellent equipment. Overall, they are skilled and dedicated infantry, but not elite or the best in the field.)
- 116th Armoured Battalion. (24 Challenger-2 MBTs. The best in the world, IMO, and benefiting from extensive electronics refits.)
- 54th Artillery Battalion. (18 PzH-2000 155mm field artillery pieces. Again, top-of-the-line tech. Hey, what's the point of large military budgets if you don't got good equipment?).

Air units: 12*Eurofighter Typhoon (I have a soft spot for these - their maneuvrability is legendary) aboard each of the Wasp-class vessels, plus 48 aboard the carrier, for a total of 72 fighters.
24* Eurocopter Tiger (ARH variant), equipeed with a variety of loadouts.

I think that covers all the bases reasonably.....

Again, please put this in the IC Thread. :)

Wait a minute.
When did New Chalcedon join in the fighting?

And Phil., we're not dogpiling against you.
At least, I'm not.
As of right now, I'm going to send my Valkyries into the nearest Comorostan base and blow some stuff up.
So Comorostan. Where is the nearest military base? How far from the front lines?
And because this is OoC, no one knows about this.
-erhemcoughcoughJakracoughcougherhem-

Heirosoloa i just wanted to ask you what program you are using to create maps,as you did a realy good job on this thread's map it looks very good.

New Chalcedon I must inform you that my forces are no longer operating as peacekeepers, but now our supporting the Philippiniadaian forces as their allies. To that effect our forces have broken away from peacekeeping bases and have begun engaing Comorostani rear areas.

I'm wondering how you gathered info on my troops, I can understand seeing a transports from another country coming in, but automatically knowing what country they're from, I personally don't like that seeing as I'm trying to maintain my inconspicuousness(sp?). And another thing is that my troops aren't at any battlefield, we're currently forming up and prepping our plans, then again that could have just been your way of saying so.

EDIT: And knowing my troops are going to be gorilla fighting instead of simply being attached to a Comoreños unit. Then again if you provide a feasible answer to all of these, then I'll definitely accept them, but as of now I'm considering a bit sketchy.

Cukarica, I use Photoshop Elements 4.
And I have to agree with El Centro, Jakra knew exactly when my troops showed up as well, and that they were called the Valkyries.

BTH: Updating my ORBAT to a more detailed level, also increasing number of troops by 832, reason being that I forgot to count the platoon CO/XOs and platoon sergeants, along with the higher command structure.

hello. Im back to get clobbered by Phil and my EX-ALLY (!!!!!) but oh well I can always pull off a Belka (credits to the Wolf Hold for that phrase).

Comorostan, please reply to my request for a conference. (Via visual uplink)

What is it with people and stealing my phrases. Also Comorostan, no offense but you really wernt a good bet, The Philippiniada are a huge and powerful nation, you are small. No hard feelings ment.

Hey, Im not mad...just bitter...and if I go down, at least Ill have started a war. One life dream accomplished!

I suppose, oh and you can't do a Belka, because if the invasion of my nation keeps going as it is, I am going to do one and scince I thought of it I have the right to be the first one to impliment it.

hey, this is just shooting the breeze, also Im desperate, but why exactly are you supporting Phil? If I go down, thats one less ally you could count on in your fight.

so i could just wait till u do it then go ahead?

Because now Phil will have more of a reason to back him in his desperate war. He's using the ends justify the means policy, which I promote, just not against me. :-p

Besides Wolf Hold, isn't half your nation getting invaded?

Wait a sec?, wait til Wolf Hold does what?

nothing jakra...nothing at all...

Because now Phil will have more of a reason to back him in his desperate war. He's using the ends justify the means policy, which I promote, just not against me. :-p

that makes sense...but all it means to me is I get steamrollered:(

Not with me. ;-), atleast not as fast.

Not with me. ;-), atleast not as fast.
thank you, for assisting in slowing my inevitable demise.

Yes Jakra my nation is under heavy invasion but I need Phils troops to support me, so if I help clear this up fast, the more troops i get.

And yes Comorostan, just wait for me to do a belka, then feel free to do one yourself.

works for me!
are you willing to negotiate a cease-fire? Im kicking around ideas for plot complications and I have an idea...

thank you, for assisting in slowing my inevitable demise.

Ha, they can kill a few million men, but they can't kill an ideal!!... until they kill every man...

Comorostan, how close is your nearest military base?
I was ignored last time because of a page-change.

Edit;
I read the IC thread, I'm going for a military base, not a city. And I'm kind of going stealth. So you would need an excuse to notice me.

Rotors make noise, if you're even a few hundred meters close to the military base they're going to hear you.

Prototype technology to minimize noise. :]
Still makes noise, just significantly less.
See, I beat you there.
It's in the post.

Heirosoloa: my nearest base is Hawk Airbase, which also is home to the 93rd Airborne Divison

Do they have any scientific reason why they make less noise? Sorry but I don't take things unless they have a good realistic reason for why it's like that. Then again I'm not Comorostan so it's up to him, but I'd still personally like to see why they're quieter.

EDIT: Meh, I'm just starting to get nit-picky, if Comorostan goes with it, I will too, since 90% of NS-tech is unfeasible.

I really can't be bothered to find the weppages, but take it from me, stealth technology helicopters do exist. An example would be the Blackhawks useed by the US Airforce 'Nightstalker' Squadron. Or the Gazzeles used by the British SAS

Well, I'll look it up and if I find a viable source that says they're hella-quiet or not I'll give my thumbs up or down, but as for now I'll take Wolf Hold's word for it.

Queiter (http://www.kiowapilots.com/forums/showthread.php?t=9834), but not sure by how much.

'Queit' MH-60K have been in use by the 160th SOAR scince Sommalia in the 1990s the technology is their.

wolf hold, i landed troops in your base a while back you know?

That was abandoned when my troops went on the offensive, also i need you to say which group of my forces your attacks are against.

what groups are there?
Im concentrating on the ones advancing from your base towards my cities...

for the record, the air attacks are hitting the forces advancing on my rear. The ground forces are attack the force headed for my capital. The cruise missiles are aimed as follows: 7 on the Combat Group 2, 4 on Combat Group 1

You never set up any measures to prevent your high-level communication links from getting jammed?

no i deleted that message...i was just trying to inject some drama but your message preempted that

Ah..., good to see you're not in this just to win. :)

no, Im in it to make a good story.

same here dude

Centro: what do you plan to do with your mountain fighters?

You'll see. Or you could ask ICly and then I'll probably tell you.

BTW, do I control your SWORD teams, or do you? And if I do, I need an exact list of what they have, including equipment, i.e. night vision goggles, telescope sites, armor vest, etc...

you do. They have AK-107s, RPO "Bumblebee" rocket launchers, RPK-201 squad machine guns, multi-use goggles (night vision, thermal) laser designators, Kornet heavy rocket launcher (the RPO is like the AT-4, the Kornet is like the Javelin), PK general purpose machine guns, and laser designators for cruise missiles and laser-guided bombs

the BTR-90s have 30mm cannons, a 50 cal. machine gun, AT-5 Spandrel AT guided missiles, and rapid-fire grenade launchers. each one carries 10 men

I also need exact amount for each team, as in:
32x AK-107
6x RPK-201
and so on...

And the map made my Heir, the lighter the color the higher the elevation?

the whole border is pretty much mountains. there are a few passes. thats where Phil is attacking through

I also need exact amount for each team, as in:
32x AK-107
6x RPK-201
and so on...


Each team is divided as such:
20x AK-107
10x RPK-201
10x RPO "Bumblebee"
5x Kornet missile launchers
5x PK GPMG

also, every one in three teams is a heavy weapons team with:
10x M-240 240mm mortars
10x RPU-14 140mm rocket launchers
each man in the heavy weapons team also has an AKS-107 personal weapon

Thank u :-)

And Phil is attacking threw the mountains passes? Beautiful....

I assume 5 BTR-90s per team?

yah, except for the heliborne troops he flew towards one of my cities, the main ground advance is going through mountain passes

yes, 5 BTRs per team. Im off till the 22nd, Sunday

I never knew there were Mountain Passes in your border? ...

its in an earlier post, where I try to explain my country's layout. Im not sure which thread, maybe this one or the actual IC war thread

I never saw it... I thought it was all plains..
A change of strategy,

Hey Philip, is it alright that I wrote that there was a patch of greenland, thick foliage in your nation?

It is mostly green. but only on the rural areas.

Would the area about 6 miles from the border between u and the Comoreños be green?

Hmm. Yeah, realistically. but that random revelation of the mountainous border of Comorostan is still a shock to me. I was never ready for that strategically and tactically.

Do u have ani depots around the area, or communications?

See Empire-Comorostan Map. Minorian Military Base is the nearest base. My bunkers are also my Communications/Depots. But you won't know that ICly.

Aye, so the boxes=military bases?

Boxes = Bunkers (With Logistics trucks)
Stars = Military Bases
Blue = Heirosoloan
Red = Peackeeper held (Wolf's) Area

So for RP purposes could the Bunker be about a mile away from my troops? And from satellite imagining what could I get i gather about them? i.e. number of troops, armored support, perhaps larger weapons?

Yeah, you can say that. Well, you can say it's heavily guarded. I left behind half of my army in the Empire. And being in wartime and it's our border. You can say we have about 5 Divisions of Armor and Troops in there. plus given it's importance. It has a couple Field Defenses erected in their as well.

The logistics, how far back do they go to reach the supply/oil depots?

The logistics, how far back do they go to reach the supply/oil depots?

From where?

From the bunker complexes

2-3 Miles, It has it's own escorts. and it's being guarded by my SpecOps team. See earlier posts.

Sorry about not posting in a while I am making a post now, oh and what is the comorostan capital again?

Is there a conveniently uninhabited island near my taskforce? I have an idea....

What's the supply depot composed of? From what I can see from satellite imagining of course. And your logistics ride on a pave road, correct?

It houses 3-4 helipads. An infantry barracks. 4-5 Imperial Tanks (under repair), 10 FV101 Imperial Cattlebee APC's, 3 Mobile SAM Batteries. Camo Pillboxes, a 120mm Static Gun Emplacement from the inside of the bunker and a strength of one fourth of a garrison (5,000-6,000).

I assume you have a communications barracks? Would it be elevated or closer to the ground? Where would the oil tanks be?

And do the escorts ride back to the bunker complexes or are they part of the garrison?

All my communications is located at all six bunkers. The oil tanks will be on my Underground connections of tunnels. It has a trap door leading to it on the surface. I have already taken precautions to this missions as evident by my war with Greal which have taken advantage of my weaknesses.

So all your nation's troops are either assaulting Comorostan or are at the close-by bunker complexes?

Half of my nations reserves are at my major cities, What are you planning? :)

Major cities? Aye, aye. :-) And my most recent post won't be giving you any insight into my future plans. ;-)

How would you fit an Armored Division and an Infantry Division in a mountain?!

There's only an infantry brigade in the mountain. The troops I'm talking about are coming in from aircraft transport in the more eastern part of the nation.

I'm going to assume that there *is* such an island, given the lack of outrage at the suggestion.

There's only an infantry brigade in the mountain. The troops I'm talking about are coming in from aircraft transport in the more eastern part of the nation.

So, that eastern part of the nation is Wolf's problem, right?

It's pretty far east, so it probably won't even be a problem for him, until I start moving west. ;-)

I'm going to assume that there *is* such an island, given the lack of outrage at the suggestion.

Assume it's near the border. :) My satellites would catch whatever your doing in that island, though.

Then FYI, they appear to be setting up some kind of forward command post and establishing a security perimeter around that island.

I'm not legally in this, so I better not be hearing my name anywhere for these peace talks...

I'm not legally in this, so I better not be hearing my name anywhere for these peace talks...

You will indeed hear your name, I know ICly your here. See earlier post.

If it's this (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=14528237&postcount=171) post, I'm not accepting that, unless you give an adequate reason why you would know it was my specific country, seeing as I have no marks on the transporting ships or the armor/infantry troops that are being flown in.

If it's this (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=14528237&postcount=171) post, I'm not accepting that, unless you give an adequate reason why you would know it was my specific country, seeing as I have no marks on the transporting ships or the armor/infantry troops that are being flown in.

It'll be foolish not to notice it. and NOT to know where it came from. I have my satellites to do that for me.

Satellites can only take pictures/videos on their designed route, and seeing as your satellites aren't following my planes, they would see them come into Comorostan's country, and without any insignias it wouldn't be that easy to know where they're from.

I'll make Comorostan rat you out. Then another invasion will occur... >.> LOL.
Joke.

Okay. You win. :D
Seriously, i'll make Comorostan rat you out in the 'peace' talks.

If he does, and I found out... well, lets just say it'll be beneficial for you.

Seeing as the communiqué was open, and not RPd on any encrypted network, is anyone opposed to be... gaining a copy of the paper?

EDIT: Also, my plans for the peace talks were already thought of before you mentioned that, but if you find it too "convenient", then I'll gladly not proceed with my plans.

It's on a unencrypted signal. I suppose. And your RP's look familiar... Have you been here before before Jan 09?

OOC: Phillipiniada, are you going to respond ICly to my offer of peace talks?

OOC: I have. :) Check it out.

My apologies. I didn't think that that was directed precisely at me, as it contained no address to the Imperial taskforce or its personnel. However, I have responded to it.

I haven't missed any bases in the peace talks, have I?

Also, can each nation that is sending people post their IC messages, having them leave for the conference? After all have done so, I will post the start of the conference and the arrival scene.

It was directed by the post that General (??) Jones was previously occupying.

Got it, god shows how tired I am, I thought you were sending it to me

Wolf Hold, what are MR-Cs? Also, regarding your post, the ceasefire only took effect 24 hours before the conference, not 48 hours.

Opps, Ill correct that.

MR-Cs are Modular Rifles-Caseless. The staple weapon of Tom Clancys: Ghost Recon-Advanced Warfighter http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MR-C

hello.
Phil, did you check, cause I couldve sworn I told you it was mountains. if I did not, i apologize, and Im still working on a map, cause I am still hoping my Mac has a paint function, but if not its gonna be hard...

are we using the same thread for the peace talks? or switching again?

LW, you realise that those are *not* sidearms, right? And hence, your people will not be able to take them to the talks.

Considering it is a matter of honour to the commandos, we may have a problem. How about they only carry 1 Magazine of ammuniton

or maybe just 8 rounds, one mag? then they'd have the same ammo as a pistol

just for info they have a full magazine of 50 6.8mm rounds

Fair enough. We'll deal with it ICly, but unless someone causes trouble, the Varangian Guards accompanying the Emperor will simply remove the excess ammunition. And keep an extra-close eye on those soldiers, as high-powered firearms can get through almost any personal body armour - including His Majesty's.

I hope the Varangian guard don't have any higher powered weapons than we're allowed...

So will the Wolf Hold soldiers have a full mag or 8 rounds?

my guys are carrying Mk. 23 pistols, and a few have Glock 17s.

Ok to clarify
4 Wolf Legion Commandos with MR-Cs 50 rounds
1 Wolf's Marshall with Desert Eagle 50AE

FSF standard issue pistol is the HK 45 (http://www.hk-usa.com/le_hk45_general.html), while some agents purchase personal handguns, but only one guy at the talks does and he has a Glock 21

where exactly are the talks being held? i know theyre on the island but where on said island?

@Jakra, Wolf hold and Comorostan:

Cool.

@El Centro de tierras:

What of it? We aren't at war with anyone there, unlike all other participants.

So are you going to make a sperate thread?

oh yeah, i was wondering that same thing

I think that thread is fine.

w/e, works for me

brb in like 30-45 min

Nah - its the war thread. We're ending *this* war, after all :)

good point

Filip, are your logistics still running?

As of now, All Military Operations and Logistics are on standby. Your not still planning on attacking, are ya? After all, we're on the same alliance and A peace treaty would be signed.

That's debatable, but I have an operative out that has no means of communication with anyone that could relay the ceasefire to him, so ICly I can't just have him stop because there's a peace treaty. And when your logistics start running again please let me now :-)

Well, The only way it would be running is when the whole Imperial Military from Comorostan is RTBing

So basically all my sniper is going to see is tanks?