NationStates Jolt Archive

It was the start of another day in the Imperial capital, the morning sun shinning brightly on the great marble buildings, many of them hundreds of years old and some had been built in ancient times. The city of New Constantinople was the age old capital of the Holy Osean Empire, having served as the place of residence for its Emperors with little interruption during its long existance. It continued to serve this role, as well as being a centre of culture and knowlage with its vast art galleries, libraries and universities and of religion, with the Church of the Holy Wisdom of God being one of the dominating features of the city's skyline.

In the one of the other great buildings of the city, the Great Palace of New Constantinople, the latest occupier of the throne, Emperor Alexius I, was having a discussion with his advisers. Alexius looked away from the Dnieper River, which met the Black Sea at the banks of the City and looked at his advisers before saying "The arrangements are mostly in place. But there are still some thing that need to be sorted out. You need to make sure that the transportation to the palace is sorted out, and that all the guests from our nation will arrive on time". He then quickly scribled out a message and handed it to one of the aides. "Make sure this is sent at once". The aide replied "It will be done at once, your Highness". The aides then left leaving the Emperor to his thoughts.

To: All Members of the Commonwealth of Independant States
From: The Holy Empire of Osea

I have, after advice from my foreign minister, decided that the CIS should convene at New Constantinople. This has been decided because there are important issues regarding the workings of the CIS that need to be resolved. You will be picked up at the City's International Airport and taken by Limosine to the Great Palace of New Constantinople, where the meeting will be held. I look forward to seeing you there.

Sincearly,
His Imperial Majesty, Alexius I Habsburg, Sovereign of Osea

To: All Members of the Commonwealth of Independent States
From: The Holy Empire of Osea

I have, after advice from my foreign minister, decided that the CIS should convene at New Constantinople. This has been decided because there are important issues regarding the workings of the CIS that need to be resolved. You will be picked up at the City's International Airport and taken my Limousine to the Great Palace of New Constantinople, where the meeting will be held. I look forward to seeing you there.

Sincerely,
His Imperial Majesty, Alexius I Habsburg, Sovereign of Osea


New Berlin, Laudren:

"Vice Roy," said one of the confederate aids, " we have received this important message from CIS, New Constantinople."
"Very well, lets here it." Said the vice roy from his seat.
"Yes sir. I have, after advice from my foreign minister, decided that the CIS should convene at New Constantinople. This has been decided because there are important issues regarding the workings of the CIS that need to be resolved. You will be picked up at the City's International Airport and taken my Limousine to the Great Palace of New Constantinople, where the meeting will be held. I look forward to seeing you there.

Sincerely,
His Imperial Majesty, Alexius I Habsburg, Sovereign of Osea "

"Alright then, considering our official representative is at another unfinished meeting, we shall send Madeline Komph. But before we do anything, verify that the council has approved this." Said vice roy.

"Vice roy, i had taken the liberty to go to the council first and they have approved." Said the aid.
"very well, then enact them."

New Berlin Airport, Madeline Komph had taken her seat in the confederate government's private jet. She began her flight to New Constantinople.

Victory Pallace,Belgrade 1000 hours

A young man aproached the desk with huge Ministry of Foreign Affairs sign on it,and an older man was sitting on the leather chair and looking through the window...

"Sir,im sorry to interupt but there is a letter for you from Oseans,regarding the Commonwealth...it arived this morning."

"Let me see it...yes...yes...well i cannot attend but im sure that Mister Heinrich would be delighted to observe and attend that meeting,definetly.These are very good news.Inform Heinrich and the airport to ready on charter jet to New Constantinople as we will send our representatives there.Also thank the Oseans for the invite..."

"Of course sir,ill do that immediatly...*jeez what a jerk*"


Official short comunique

Subject:RE:Meeting
From:Federation of Cukarica
To:Holy Empire of Osea

We thank you for the invitation and we have gladly accepted it.Our delegation is currently on its way on flight 347 and will land in New Constantinole in a matter of hours.

The Oseans were ready. At the airport, there were photographers and reporters ready to report on the meeting. Bands were there and would play the national anthem on each delegates nation as they arrived. The airport itself had been renovated recently to make it more suitable for accepting delegates from other nations. The most important people of the Empire were gathered at the airport to greet them. All that was left to do was wait for the arrival of the delegates.

New Berlin Airport:
Madeline Komph had awaited for the plane to go off, as soon as it was on air the captain allowed the passengers to move as they pleased.
-The passengers were Madeline Komph, 5 security guards, 2 body guards, 2 pilots, 3 stewardesses, and 2 young male aids that were to help the representative.

...
Two hours later:

Arriving at New Constantinople airport was the confederate plane with the Representative on-board.

As the Laudren delegation exited their plane, the band played the Laudren national anthem. The reporters almost immediadly began taking pictures or recording the event, while reporting. The delegation was met by a group of Oseans, containing diplomats, military officials, religious figures such as the Patriarch of New Constantinople, and the Holy Osean Emperor, Alexius I, with his retinue.

The Fang, Wolf Hold
"Sir we recived a message from Osea, requesting us to attend a meeting of all the CIS nations" A aide reported to the First Wolf's Marshall Cain. "Hmm, we should go, however I can not attended with the DT threatining our borders. Send Major General Smithers, also give him full liscence to act as he see fit." After dismissing the aide, the Marshall set about responding to the Osean invitation.

TO:The Holy Empire of Osea
FROM: The Armed Republic of The Wolf Hold

We humbly accept your invitation and our representative will be on his way shortly.

-1st Wolf's Marshall Cain


6 Hours later...
The jet balck diplomatic jet of The Wolf Hold was approaching the nation of Osea. Onboard was Major General Smithers, his aide Colonel Franklin, 2 Wolf Legion Commandos, 6 Members of the 33rd Mechanised Infantry Divison, a pilot, co-pilot, navigator, flight technican and 2 stewardesses. All of the military men wore the Black and Crimson uniforms of their nation. Whilst the flight crew wore black jumpsuits and the stewardess black skirts and Shirt with red lining.

"We are making our final approaach now sir" The pilots voice drifted over the internal speaker system. Nodding slowly the General awaited the plane to touch down.

New Constantinople airport,7 hours later


Georgi Heinrich landed on the warm concrete of New Constantinople airport in Goverment's Boeing 747.
As he exited the huge airliner he thoght...

"Hmm...now to wait for my limo' its a bit warm here in Osea..."

To: The Holy Empire of Osea
From: Republic Of Madurastan

We accept your invitation and have sent Kevin Michaels to New Constinople. He will be arriving shortly.

2 Hours later at New Constinople:

The Learjet 55 slowed to a halt on the taxiway of New Constinople Airport. When it stopped, the door was opened and Kevin Michaels exited the aircraft. A waiting Limosine would take him to the conference at the Great Palace of New Constantinople.

How troublesome thought Julian Lichen, Grey 40,000, head of the Bureau of Foreign Affairs, we already have one group out in Osea and now we need to send another. An alliance conference will need at least a fifteen strong team of Greys and the council will insist on appointing another representative from the New Foreign Office. He began to make the arrangements. We shall need to send an ambassador to Osea soon aswell; that will mean three seperate missions all going out at the same time.
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The Dominion accepts your invitation and is dispatching a team post haste. Please make arrangements for transport and accomadation of sixteen representatives. Flight Greygoose 7842314 is expected to touch down in Osea in 24 hours.

Yours respectfully

Dylan Apple (Grey 547,321)

"Ma'am." The guardsman stood to walked alongside the Emperess as she entered the hallway from her Study.
"Yes, captain? What is it?"
"A telegram from Osea. They say they are arranging a diplomatic conference for the CIS nationstates, and request that a delegate comes from each nation."
"Ah. Well, I am unable to attended of course. Swy Byzsejod ab swy Xdaaktaaf is coming up. Send... Send General Alexis and a few guards."
"I will get on it immediately ma'am."
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From Her Royal Majesty, Empress Tara Whyt, Ruler of the Void and Her Colonies
The Void will send a delegate to this meeting. I am unfortunately not able to attend myself, so I shall be sending one General Alexis is my stead.

Sincerly,
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Approved by the Foreign Affairs Bureau

A few hours later...
The VC-25 carrying the General, 5 Marine bodyguards and 3 representatives from the Foreign Affairs Bureau made it's final approach on New Constantinople Airport, the flight crew requesting permission to land.

OOC: WH, I just noticed, our nations use exactly the same colors, black and crimson. XD

The air traffic controllers gave permission for each of the delegates to land. The group of Oseans, which Alexius was a part of, would move to meet each delegate as they exited their planes. If a delegate could not be reached in time by the Emperor, they would be greeted by one of the groups of ministers and diplomats that were at the airport.

As the Limousine moved through the streets towards the Great Palace of New Constantinople, Kevin Michaels tapped on his laptops keyboard. He was looking at information on each of the CIS nations so to have a decent knowledge of each one when he met their delegates. The sun was shining very brightly, but the Limousines tinted windows was keeping out most of the light. He was holding a glass of whiskey, his favorite drink which he sipped. "Nice whiskey." he thought. "Must get the brand name so i can get some for my drinks cabinet back home." A few minutes later, the Limousine pulled up to the doors of the palace.

After touching down the Sarrowquand team of sixteen representatives spoke briefly with the greeting diplomats and began to move on to their hotel to unpack and begin preparations for the conference.

ooc: sorry if one posting this arrival is a bit abrupt but my other group was still stuck at that airport last time I checked : )

After meeting and briefly talking with the Osean diplomats and officials, Madeline saw her limousine and entered it, she headed to her hotel room, along with the rest of her 'crew' to quickly prepare.

"Nice Limo eh men?" Wolf's General Smithers commented to the other 8 men in the limo. they all nodded back and with a slight grin the General downed his glass of vodka. He had already arranged for his belongings as well as those of his men to be taken to the hotel by the embassy armoured landrovers. So insted of heading for the hotel the limo headed straight for the Osean palace. After a 10 minunte drive along the roads of New Constantinople the limo arrived at the palace. "Alright, its show time" The General quiped as he placed his cap on his head and climbed out of the limo.

To: All Members of the Commonwealth of Independant States
From: The Holy Empire of Osea

I have, after advice from my foreign minister, decided that the CIS should convene at New Constantinople. This has been decided because there are important issues regarding the workings of the CIS that need to be resolved. You will be picked up at the City's International Airport and taken by Limosine to the Great Palace of New Constantinople, where the meeting will be held. I look forward to seeing you there.

Sincearly,
His Imperial Majesty, Alexius I Habsburg, Sovereign of Osea

Metropolis, March 2, 2009

TO: The Holy Empire of Osea
FROM: The Constitutional Monarchy of Valladares
SUBJECT: CIS Meeting

The Constitutional Monarchy of Valladares accepts the invitation sent by the nation of Osea for the CIS Meeting. In behalf of the valladar people, we want to apologize to you for answering late to this important invitation, due to the fact that the country is suffering a delicate internal situation. Our Prime Minister and his delegation will arrive in the next hours to New Constantinople from the city of Metropolis.

Signed,
His Royal Highness, King Charles V
King of Valladares

Tybalt Alexis (http://i203.photobucket.com/albums/aa200/kittykiller5000/helghast/psp_helghast_officer.jpg?t=1236037049) stared out of the window of the limosine, motionless aside from the up-and-down motion from his breathing that indicated he was at the very least still alive. The other 8 men did rougly the same, the marines sitting, staring out of windows while the Foreign Affairs agents typed away on laptops. As the limo headed for the hotel, the General asked, in a measured, slightly muffled voice, "Do you have an exact time for starting yet?"

OOC: I apolagize for my delay in responding. I think that we should move to the meeting as soon as possible now, so I'm going to get as many of us to the the palace as I can.
IC:
The delegate were greeted by either the Emperor or the other groups that were there to greet the delegate. After that, they were each taken to a Limo, which then went through a secured route through the city. The delegates would, in their trip, get to see mny of the great buidings of the city. But that was not the purpose of their visit so they would bot be visting the site, unless they managed to use some of the spare time they had at the city or visited the city at a later time. Soon the Limos approached the palace, where they would be greeted by Imperial dignatories and, of course, reporters eager to report on this event.

Kevin Michaels exited from the Limo and lookws towards the Palaces doors. He could see that many Osean officials were there to greet the arriving delegates. He closed the Limo door and began walking towards the Palace doors.

As Georgi Heinrich exited the huge white limousine with Federal markings he was amazed by the architectural marvels of New Constantinople.
Its huge Byzantine-style colums were from white marble and stood highly and were quite an amazing site.
Then he walked toward the Pallace followed by two Osean CISFOR guards.
obviously very excited to meet the Osean Emperor,His Highness Alexius I he started to walk towards the Pallace entry.
This was a great day for him,as he never met a true royalty nontheless an Emperor.

Alexius was at the palace before the CIS delegates arrived and with his retinue and a group of Varangian Guardsmen. He decided to meet each of the delegate as they arrived, so that he could know them a bit better before the conference began. He decided to start with General Smithers, the delegate of the Wolf Hold. He approached Smithers and said "Welcome General Smithers. It is truely a pleasure to meet you".

(OOC Edited)

The 10 Men exited the Limo, with Wolf's General Smithers and his Aide Colonel Franklin leading the group. The 6 men of the 33rd Mechanised Infantry and the 2 Wolf Legion Commandos knew they were in a friendly country and there was little chance of an attack but with the Embassy Bombing in the DI and the food riots in their homeland, they were incredibly cautious. They held their weapons infront of them tight but kept them lowered. The Wolfs General saw the delegate from Cukarica ahead of them on the steps and so he set off up the steps himself, however he was not a man for arhitecture and so didn't really take in the beauty of the palace.

"Hello, Yes I am General Smithers, It is nice to be welcome in a country for once and you are?"

Alexius grinned at the General's responce. He didn't realise who he was talking to. He then responded " General, I am the Holy Osean Emperor".

Smithers looked up with suprise. "The Holy....the Osean Emperor...oh...erm...opps" His face gained a slight redish tinge in his cheeks as the whole group quickly snapped to attention and saluted, "Erm..right...yes.... I'm Wolf General Smithers, Wolf Hold Delegate"

Alexius gave a small smile before replying "I know". His retinue mostly managed to keep straight faces, but a few of them were clearly resisting the urge to laugh. The Varangian Guards had no such problem, indeed they would would likely have looked impressive to the Wolf Hold delegates in their Ceremonial armour (http://i376.photobucket.com/albums/oo201/Osea767/Varangian_Guard.jpg)(OOC:its the picture to the right. In case anyone is wondering, I did not draw these images). Alexius then jestured towards the palace and said "I believe we should go inside. Feel free to ask me any questions you might have".

Madeline and her 'people' excited the Audi A8 L W12 quattro limo, enabled with the old imperial seal rather than the current Confederate seal. And began her way toward the meeting, As she and her guards and diplomatic aids entered, she noticed the other delegates that had gone before her.

OOC: OK, So far Sarrowquand's and Valladare's representatives have not yet arrived at the palace, while Void Templar's representative is going to a hotel. I think we need all candidates at the palace so we can get this started, before we all lose interest.

The Valladares Royal Plane landed in the International Airport of New Constantinople after obtaining permission to land. In it was travelling the Valladares' delegation composed by the Prime Minister of Valladares, Stephen Bowles, the Minister of Foreign Affairs, Antoine Mortaud, his advisers, William Brooke and Carlos Torres and five members of the Valladar Royal Guard. When the plane stopped, the doors were opened and they exited of the plane. The limo assigned by Osea to the Valladar delegation was waiting for them at the airport, who first attended the press and the protocol prepared by the host nation, Osea

Realising she had allowed her team too much liberty in relaxing and preparation Eliot Nefzen (some random pic that fits) (http://i236.photobucket.com/albums/ff47/Eurekas_World/Real%20pictures/People/Women/untitled.jpg) ordered her entourage to hurry to the palace to join the conference. She hoped that she wasn't so late as to offend, still her imperial heritage and pride did lead her to wish for a fashionably late and powerful entrance.

The Valladar delegation entered the limo and it moved through the streets towards the Great Palace of New Constantinople. It was a rainy day in New Constantinople and the cold was feeling even inside the limo. A few minutes later, the delegation arrived to the Great Palace. The Osean Emperor, Alexius I, was waiting in the palace for the delegations.
The Prime Minister, Stephen Bowles was the first in exit of the limo and saluted the Emperor:

"Your Majesty, I'm Stephen Bowles, Prime Minister of Valladares. Nice to meet you."

OOC: *huff puff* Sorry I'm late you guise

IC: A beeping sounded in the silent-but-for-the-engine limo. Tybalt took a PDA out of his pocket, checking the screen. He tapped the glass seperating the driver from the passengers, who still sat stoicly, gazing out of windows.
"Excuse me. Other representatives are already at the palace, would you mind heading there as well?" The driver nodded, and the limo made a U-turn, heading towards the palace.

The door of the limo opened before it had stopped, Tybalt stepping out, his guards following and finally the reps once the limo had stopped. Tybalt strode forward, his entourage hanging back, looking out of place in this dark armor and gas-masks, before stopping in front of Alexius. He saluted (little finger and thumb across the cheeks, ring and index on the eyes and the middle finger on the forehead) then bowed.
"Your Majesty. Tybalt Alexis, representative from Lonun. An honor."

OOC: Void Templar, I just thought I should inform you that my own troops also use Helghast body armour on our regular troops, which you are likely to encounter.

IC: Alexius turned to greet Stephen Bowles and replied "It is a pleasure to meet you too". He then gestured to an aide and said "This aide will show you to the room we have for the conference".

Shortly after Stephen was taken to the conference room, Tybalt arrived. Alexius carefully studied Tybalt, who was wearing amour similar to that of Osean infantry. He then replied "It is also an honor for me to finally meet a representative from your nation". Like with Stephen, he then gestured to an aide and said "This aide will show you to the room we have for the conference".

.....................

Alll the representatives were guided through the pillared corridors of the Palace. All of them would have seen the rich mosaics and sculptures in marble. There was plenty of fine art visible. The Palace was designed to show th wealth and unfading glory of the Holy Osean Emperors and that would have been very visable to anyone who saw it.

Eventually the representatives were taken into the conference room, which, like the rest of the palace, was designed as a symbol of imperial wealth and prestige, with lots of marble, silver, gold and silk.There was a round table, with names at each seat to indicat where each representative was to sit. One of the chairs was raised slightly highter than the others and was for the Emperor. As the representatives sat down, waiter went to them to ask if they wanted any refreshments.

OOH SNIPPY YOU'RE SO FINE YOU'RE SO FINE YOU BLOW MY MIND HEY SNIPPY

OOC: Everybody loves the Helghast. :D

IC: Tybalt bowed once more to the emperor, then followed the aide. He glanced around at the art and the finery of the palace. The Templars had a much more puritan stance, even their Arkvavo Palace was made of granite and plain stone inside and out. When they reached the conference, he sat down and removed his gas mask, placing it on his lap and waited patiently for the meeting to being.

Kevin Michaels looked round at the waiter and decided to get something. "Can i have a Glass of Water please?"

Stephen Bowles sat down in the place that had been assigned for him in the conference room. While he waited for the conference, he took time to admire the rich Osean art. "The valladar art doesn't have anything to envy this", he thought. He asked for a glass of water and waited for the meeting.

[OOC]Ill just skip to the conference room if no one minds as i ont think its neccesary to have post about walking through a hallway.


Federal delegate sat ata warm leather chair and looked around him,looking at the huge conference room and the beaty of the artistic expresions around him,he noticed a fellow delegate and thought that it would be polite to greet him,so he started a conversation to pass the time before the conference starts..


"Mister Stephen Bowles,im i correct?It's a pleasure to meet you,my name is Georgi Heinrich Federal Delegate from Cukarica,i assume you're from Valladares?

Eliot Nefzen entered the conference room and looked around, it seemed that despite her delay she wasn't to late to join in, this was good as it would do her no good to snub the CIS. She walked over to an attendent to ask about the seating arragement, she was interested in speaking with the delegate from the Wolf Hold and hoped to sit near him/her.

Stephen Bowles began his conversation with the cukarican delegate:

"Mister Heinrich, It's a pleasure to meet you too. You're in the correct thing. I'm the delegate sent by Valladares for the CIS Meeting. My position would be occupied by our King, Charles V, but regrettably, he can't be with us."

The waiters got the glasses of water that Kevin Michaels and Stephen Bowles asked for before returning to their work. Meanwhile the attendent that Eliot Nefzen had asked about the seating arragement responded "Of course we can adjust the seating arrangements, as long as the Wolf Hold delegate is ok with it".

"I am perfectly fine with it, It shouldnt be that hard to re-arrange should it?" Looking at the two men having waters, General Smithers wondered wether he should follow suite of have the usual vodka. "Hmm, I know everyone else is having waters but would an old soldier such as my self be allowed somthing stronger?"

"No, it shouldn't" the waiter replied. "As for having something stronger to drink, that's perfectly alright. We have many of the finest drinks available. What drink do you want?".

Spying the Wolf Hold delegate Eliot Nefzen walked over, she hadn't met the man yet so she played it safe by addressing him by the usual rank held by Wolf Hold representatives. "General" she said with a thin humourless smile, her mouth twitched upwards slightly in the left as her nose caught the scent of General Smither's vodka, "starting this early?" she said as she picked up a spare glass of water from the table, draining it slowly but with one motion she licked her lips and pulled out a small hip flask. After opening it she decanted a couple of measures of its contents into her now empty glass. "This is gosti, a regional drink from my homeland refined from goldfish" she swirled the contents a little, the clear contents leaving a rainbow coloured residue along the water line of the glass, after allowing it to stir a little she drained half the contents and grimaced. "I can't say I like the contrast between refreshing chilled water and room temperature spirits, I wonder if there will be a similar contrast between the many issues we have set before us today".

She placed her glass down next to her current seat and unfastened a pouch of currency from her amethyst coloured belt. "General. In Sarrowquand although all transactions are carried out electronically it is considered a tradition for citizens to carry physical currency as a reminder. The antiquity and origin of the currency is also a subtle sign of status in some circles, my patron bid me present the representative of the Wolf Hold with this bag. Please accept."

She offered the pouch to the General. The string that held it closed had parted slightly allowing a view of the contents, which were eighty eight iron nuggets engraved with the lower case letter i.

Bump

Kevin Michaels looked around at the delegates. Sipping his glass of water, he could hear parts of the conversations going on around him. He put the glass down and looked around at the delegates.

Madeline quickly found her designated spot. As she sat down, she and her aids began reviewing important documents. Laudren was ready to begin

Imperial Palace,
New Constantinople.

The Emperor's office recieved a phone call.

After it was picked up, a pleasant voice on the other end inquired "Ambassador Kantakuzenos has expressed interest in the proceedings of the CIS meeting. May the Embassy send an observer to the meeting?"

The Osean at the other end replied "Certainly, but we should be starting soon so Ambassador Kantakuzenos will need to be quick".

Embassy of New Chalcedon
New Constantinople

"Certainly. The Ambassador will be there as soon as possible." The receptionist winked at her boss, who was already walking out the door with an aide.

Alexius waited untill Ambassador Kantakuzenos had arrived. He then loudly tapped his glass and said "Attention everyone. We are now going to start the conference, so will everyone take their appropriate place at the conference table". He then took his own place, while taking a quick look at some notes.

Stephen Bowles took his place in the conference table. He had waited a lot of time for the beginning of this important meeting. He had a notebook, in which he would write all the important notes of the conference, with the purpose of sending a report to the King.

Eliot Nefzen stood “If I may address the chair” she said “I would like to discuss the economic management of our alliance”, “I have been more or less promised that we may lead with this issue:

I propose the establishment of a CIS treasury that will draw set contributions from CIS members and move us beyond the simple flat Tax funding of 0.8% that we established upon our founding of the alliance.

The second purpose of this treasury will also be to regulate the flow of capital into our various alliance endeavours.

I would like to hear your initial thoughts on this idea as well as suggestions for what levels of spending you would like to see and in what areas.

After a getting your responses, if necessary I will present a fuller argument of why the CIS will be strengthened by adopting a more refined system of funding.”

Eliot Nefzen stood “If I may address the chair” she said “I would like to discuss the economic management of our alliance”, “I have been more or less promised that we may lead with this issue:

I propose the establishment of a CIS treasury that will draw set contributions from CIS members and move us beyond the simple flat Tax funding of 0.8% that we established upon our founding of the alliance.

The second purpose of this treasury will also be to regulate the flow of capital into our various alliance endeavours.

I would like to hear your initial thoughts on this idea as well as suggestions for what levels of spending you would like to see and in what areas.

After a getting your responses, if necessary I will present a fuller argument of why the CIS will be strengthened by adopting a more refined system of funding.”



After carefully thinking about Sarrowguand proposal Mister Heinrich,was the first to give a response to the proposal,he asked for word and stood up.

"Mister Nefzen,its is quite interesting and beneficial proposal,from my point of view.
I also think that 0.8% is too little to manage a pretty big alliance we have grown into.
Federal main concern is the security of our fellow members,and as we are giving most of the troops into CISFOR it is obvious that it would be good for our men,to increase spending in the military department of the alliance.
Our other main concern is economic benefit of the alliance and further strenghtening of relations between members of the Commonwealth.
Another thing we thought about when we first heard about this treasury proposal,is that maybe we should use the treasury for humanitarian aid too."




[OOC]Sorry for my inactivity,as i had some RL issiues to resolve.

Eliot Nefzen stood “If I may address the chair” she said “I would like to discuss the economic management of our alliance”, “I have been more or less promised that we may lead with this issue:

I propose the establishment of a CIS treasury that will draw set contributions from CIS members and move us beyond the simple flat Tax funding of 0.8% that we established upon our founding of the alliance.

The second purpose of this treasury will also be to regulate the flow of capital into our various alliance endeavours.

I would like to hear your initial thoughts on this idea as well as suggestions for what levels of spending you would like to see and in what areas.

After a getting your responses, if necessary I will present a fuller argument of why the CIS will be strengthened by adopting a more refined system of funding.”


"The Confederacy agrees fully with this proposal." Said Madeline as she stood up. "But I must also agree with my fellow comrade, Mr.Nefzen. I would like for a humanitarian aid option. Of course i don't think the aid funds will take an enormous amount of the treasury. I also agree as to raise the .8% tax greatly."


OOC: i got rid of my flu :D

Nefzen was pleased that Oton's plan was gaining support. "The treasury is likely to be funded by set contribution plans that will be proposed on a case by case basis. For example the first set of plans to be set up would be for the different CIS military branches. Let us consider the stratiegic branch of our military we would first present the needs of this force in terms of finance and then ask each nation to set a yearly contribution. In time these contributions may be raised or lowered to meet alliance needs.

It is also sirrah Oton's suggestion that some funds be voluntary, each state would decide if they wish to pay and how much, this way the financial drain that the alliance creates on each nation will better reflect their interests and values.

Sirrah Oton also suggests that we build economic criteria into each fund, it makes no sense to him to draw 0.8% of a country's budget and then refund 1.6% to them in aid, better that nation's and our alliance's paperwork that we cancel their financial obligations and provide just 0.8% or whatever equivalent fund is needed.

Thus if Laudren agrees to give a trillion Laudreens to the alliance divided over a series of projects but then suffers a financial crisis: As Laudren’s economy drops, the more minor funds that are paid are cancelled: If the economy becomes weak enough all funds are cancelled. Throughout the economic office will also assess whether a squirt of aid would also be of benefit.

Thus whilst we still want to provide stability and the chance to revise the alliance cash flow this system will provide a more stable and reliable budget across the board managed through the office of the treasury.

I have also been asked to present you with a plan for safe storage of alliance funds however I believe that Defence would first like to establish a budget for alliance military. It would be quite useful to use this conference to canvas opinions on a rough budget for each force coupled with the role you see it performing in the world. I’ll pass the ideas on to Oton who will create a more formal poll and work out how best to structure the funding.”

General Smithers accepted the bag of iorn nuggets and was about to offer his thanks and his interest in the mans strange liquior, however the meeting started and he knew it would be improper to continue, nodding his thanks and taking his seat next to the Sarrowquand delegate. He watched in interest as the Sarrowquand delegate put forward the planed increases in the C.I.S tax and then when Minister Heinrich spoke a large simile broke out across his face 'Always security at heart them Cukaricans, they will out do ud for defence' Afterhearing the recent proposal, General Smithers stood up and began to speak.

"Defence would definatly like a budget, I think Wolf's General Gaunt would prefer a budget to that shipment of Nachamere fast attack heavy bombers he was looking at, and trust me I think the general was almost dancing around the room when he saw the specs for theses bombers.

An established budget is imperative to maintaining the alliance military and the alliance as a whole, however the budget must be set realative to how many men, equipment, support staff etc we have. Also the budget must take into acount operational costs, deployment costs, logistical costs, medical care, after service care and many other drains on the budget. Finnaly there must be a seperate section of the budget set aside for the CISMs expansion and for the complete standardisation of the CISM as a whole. I have more to say on this matter and a few proposals however I think the establishment of a budget has a higer priority.

On the matter of the rate I and Central Command belive it should be a standard of 1% tax with various factors such as war, strife or an economic boon causing the rate to rise or fall for that county.

As a final note, I think to assit Sirrah Oton's plans that all members inform him of their commitments to the CISM. For example the Wolf Hold has 300,000 troops ready to be called up under CIS colours and all of our ships with the exception of the Super-Heavy Battleships, Carriers and Missle Cruisers are ready to switch to CISM colours upon a single order."

ooc: If you guys can come up with what you're willing to pay for alliance/alliance and military and if Wolf Hold can post what sort of money is needed for running our forces then I'll create a poll with numbers around about those numbers, we can vote on it and then I'll work out how to divy up the costs.

Kevin Michaels nodded in agreement. This would be acceptable to him and the Madurastan government, but he would wait to be asked for his opinion before speaking.

Eliot noticed Kevin Michaels' reaction to the statements made by herself and the Wolf Hold General. "Sirrah Michaels I would like to hear how Madurastan feels about our proposals so far"

(ooc: oh yeah Wolf Hold, those nuggets are made of iron not gold: see our currency)

(OOC: I need to know troop comitments before I can make any definatve statement of costs, also how much the alliance is willing to give for arms re-build)

Alexius then spoke up "We will be willing to supply CISM with at least one of our armies, thats 200,000 men. We are yet to decide on what our naval and air commitment will be. As for the budget, I agree with increasing the tax to 1%. In order to figure out our defence budget, we are first going to to need to figure out how much our total budget is which can only be done by finding out how much each members 1% is and adding it up".

Stephen Bowles wrote in his notebook. Then he stood up and asked for word: "I agree with the treasure proposal. However, I also think that 0.8% is very little to cover the expenses that could stem, as the military budget and the economic and humanitarian aids. In my opinion, it would be more profitable to increase the tax to 1%. Also, Valladares is willing to supply CISM with 300 volunteers. We have to decide if would be profitable for the Royal Army to yield a certain number of aircraft, tanks and battleships."

Stephen Bowles wrote in his notebook. Then he stood up and asked for word: "I agree with the treasure proposal. However, I also think that 0.8% is very little to cover the expenses that could stem, as the military budget and the economic and humanitarian aids. In my opinion, it would be more profitable to increase the tax to 1%. Also, Valladares is willing to supply CISM with 300 volunteers. We have to decide if would be profitable for the Royal Army to yield a certain number of aircraft, tanks and battleships."

"Im sorry,but i think that CISM is a defensive and its for our own protection.
I must say that 300 hundred volunteers is a pretty small number of men,but who are we to judge others,its entirely your own decision how much of your men should enlist in CISFOR and other CISM branches"
said Mr.Heirich and sat down after finishing his interuptive speech...

"Im sorry,but i think that CISM is a defensive and its for our own protection.
I must say that 300 hundred volunteers is a pretty small number of men,but who are we to judge others,its entirely your own decision how much of your men should enlist in CISFOR and other CISM branches"
said Mr.Heirich and sat down after finishing his interuptive speech...

Then, the Prime Minister said: "I want to do an explanation. We chose this number because our King doesn't want to risk his troops. The secessionist states are giving him many headaches in these moments, therefore, we have decided to start by sending this number. With the time, we'll see if the soldiers' quantity can be extended to 100.000, but this increase will be gradual."

"Thank you Osea for the contribution, I am feeding this back to Wolf's General Gaunt who is currently on an inspection of the new CISM Strategic Command. As soon as we have enough information from all the members we can estimate an acurate cost to ensure an efective CISM." Tapping a few links on his PDA with his stylus, General Smithers turned slowly towards the Vallardes delegate and gave him a cold stare, "300 men....hmm.....ok, your nations choice, maybe your navy will be more...fullfliing towards the CISMs needs. I suppose the Wolf Hold Military and Cukarican Military can pick up the slack" Yet again tapping a few links on his PDAs screen however under the troop report he added the note 'Every alliance has its France I suppose'
General Smithers also shot a look of gratitude and raised his eyes in the direction of the Vallardes delegate, clearly showing his distaste with the man.

However hearing the recent comment, he decided to make a move, "We do need some ships to help support the CISNAV, insted of troops would you be willing to hand over some of your lfeets to the CISNAV?"

"While the Empire does not have anything much to spare in it's army, our army being little more than a self-defense force in all honesty, we can contribute to the Naval and Aeronautic components of CISM. I think the latest numbers that were passed to me were... 40 naval vessels, 150 aeroplanes, 8000, 4 regiments, of Marines and 7000 regular army soldiers." He checked his PDA. "Yes, that's correct. We may be able to spare more in the future, but for now the outer colonies are being uppity."

Madeline stood and spoke. "Now that we are on this subject; Mr. Smithers, the confederacy is willing to spare 50,000 men as well as some tanks and other various vehicles. We couldn't spare much on a navy and air force, but we will make up for it."

Alexius turned to Stephen Bowles and said "If you wish, Osea can provide troops and military supplies to help you with the secessionist states, that is, if you are willing to try to make sure your commitment can be increased to 100,000 men much more sooner".

Alexius turned to Stephen Bowles and said "If you wish, Osea can provide troops and military supplies to help you with the secessionist states, that is, if you are willing to try to make sure your commitment can be increased to 100,000 men much more sooner".

"Perhaps this would be a good live-fire training excercise for the CISFOR? It would allow us to help out a fellow member nation as well as grease the gears of co-operation between our contributions."

"Perhaps this would be a good live-fire training excercise for the CISFOR? It would allow us to help out a fellow member nation as well as grease the gears of co-operation between our contributions."

"Federal guard is always ready for action,gentlemen.
I see that we have a fair amount of men in CISFOR now.That is very encouraging to be honest."

Alexius turned to Stephen Bowles and said "If you wish, Osea can provide troops and military supplies to help you with the secessionist states, that is, if you are willing to try to make sure your commitment can be increased to 100,000 men much more sooner".

"Perhaps this would be a good live-fire training excercise for the CISFOR? It would allow us to help out a fellow member nation as well as grease the gears of co-operation between our contributions."

Then, the Prime Minister said: "Thank you very much for the help. Personally, I would accept it, but this decision is now in hands of the King. While he doesn't give his approval, the CISFOR won't be able to enter to the nation. 30 destroyers will be sent to the CISNAV in the next days."

Then, the Prime Minister said: "Thank you very much for the help. Personally, I would accept it, but this decision is now in hands of the King. While he doesn't give his approval, the CISFOR won't be able to enter to the nation. 30 destroyers will be sent to the CISNAV in the next days."

"If we do not enter your teritorial waters and say we loiter on the edges of them, would you be opposed to the CISM deploying a Quick-Reaction Force or if the rest of the CIS approves a Heavy Reaction Force? Thereby if your king approves the mission, high command can have the troops on the ground as soon as possible or if say the situation develops we can respond acordingly?" General Smithers put forward, thought for a second then hastened to add, "Also just to break any mis-givings, CISM units will not be outside your control if they are deployed and they will follow the wishes of your king"

"Well we can give the 4th Army numbering 100,000 soldiers to the CISM. These 5 Divisions will be earmarked for priority when CISM is activated during a confict or crisis. We already have a fund exclusively for CIS use. The budget at the moment is 125 Million Madurats which is 250 Million USD. As our economy continues to grow we hope to double that in the next year. We can transfer that to a CIS held account for use in the future. Is this acceptable?"

"Well we can give the 4th Army numbering 100,000 soldiers to the CISM. These 5 Divisions will be earmarked for priority when CISM is activated during a confict or crisis. We already have a fund exclusively for CIS use. The budget at the moment is 125 Million Madurats which is 250 Million USD. As our economy continues to grow we hope to double that in the next year. We can transfer that to a CIS held account for use in the future. Is this acceptable?"

"Thank you for the contribution, your troops are most certianly welcome. I can not comment on the fund contribution but as far as the CISM is concerned, we wish to thank you." Once again General Smithers inputed the data to his PDA and with a tap of his stylus the data was beemed to Wolf's General Guant via the high speed sat uplink. "However whilst CISFOR seems to grow would anyone be willing to just offer up personnel so we can supply the CISNAV, CISAF, CISSWD and other CISM divisons. We don't need equipment, just personel"

Madeline stood up yet again.
"Well, General Smithers, Laudren is not going to give up some air or naval personnel, but is willing to hold bases. We recently came up from a civil war and have to re build many things. Most likely later on, Laudren will be able to give up more personnel. If you dont mind, the confederacy would like to know what allies have given to CISM."

Madeline stood up yet again.
"Well, General Smithers, Laudren is not going to give up some air or naval personnel, but is willing to hold bases. We recently came up from a civil war and have to re build many things. Most likely later on, Laudren will be able to give up more personnel. If you dont mind, the confederacy would like to know what allies have given to CISM."

"Ms.Komph we understand your country's problem,it is very unwise to invest in military when money could be spent on rebuilding the infrastructure in your post-war country.Also we use this oportunity to say that it would be best for CISFOR to have military bases in every member-state as it would greatly widen our Alliance's reach and expand our influence.Of course as Gen.Smithers said the forces kept there will be under member-states arm of control.But lets get back to the point of this conversation.
To answer your question,Ms.Komph please see these papers...."

Said Georgi as he gave a file to his aide who caried it to Ms.Koph...

Number Of Troops going to CISFOR:270 000

Specifics:

20 000 Mountain Rangers
10 000 Marines
10 000 "Blue Berretes"[reformed](Special Ops)
230 000 4th Shock Corps regulars


Number of ships going to CISNAV:30

Specifics:
10x Dr'klow Frigate
10 Milgem corvettes
1x FES "Varangian" Admiral Kuznetsov aircraft carrier
2x End All battleships
7x kirov battlecruisers

Number of aircraft going to CISAF:200

Specifics:
100x FGFA fighters
40x Tu-160 Bombers
40x Su-37A "Flanker"
20x Eurocopter Tigers[Helicopter]


He continiued....

"These are just forces deployed by Federal Defense Bureau,and it doesnt mention forces based in Wolf Hold."

"If we do not enter your teritorial waters and say we loiter on the edges of them, would you be opposed to the CISM deploying a Quick-Reaction Force or if the rest of the CIS approves a Heavy Reaction Force? Thereby if your king approves the mission, high command can have the troops on the ground as soon as possible or if say the situation develops we can respond acordingly?" General Smithers put forward, thought for a second then hastened to add, "Also just to break any mis-givings, CISM units will not be outside your control if they are deployed and they will follow the wishes of your king"

"OK, General Smithers, everything seems to indicate that the King is ready to accept the intervention of the CISM. But, with a condition: We would like that you give us a report about the CISM troops that would enter to our country (military, navy and aircraft), preferably for Venezuela" (OOC: See our map in the signature)

"Ms. Komph, Wolf's General Gaunt is wroking on a full report of the CISMs full military capacity after he returns from insepcting our strategic weapons divison. As Mr.Heirich has already said that the establishment of CISM bases in all CIS members nations is a top priority for General Gaunt, also Mr.Heirich it seems that General Gaunt has a chaallenger for defence" General Smithers jovilly. "I will have the deployment lists for both the Wolf Holds contribution to the CISM and the orders of battle for the deployment to vallardes shortly"

"Well, before we go on to talks of war, would we talk first of economy and how it can be bettered individually and as a union?" Madeline said
"and as well of trade and international railroad system."

"Well, before we go on to talks of war, would we talk first of economy and how it can be bettered individually and as a union?" Madeline said
"and as well of trade and international railroad system."

"Definetly. Any way you look at it, the economy is one of the most important things we have to talk about here. Without a strong base, the coalition would collapse."

"Yes, we do need to sort out our economic stance and policies, however the reason I belive we drifted off onto the subject of war and the CISM was due to the fact that we were trying to sort out the military budget by asking for the details of the exact contribution of CIS members to the CISM, now if the fellow members of the CIS are interested, the report being passed round know details the exact contribution at the moment by Central Command Of The Wolf Hold." One of General Smithers had some how managed to gain acesses to a printer and had printed off reports for all the visiting representatives.

CISM Operational Group 1- CinC Wolf's General Darcia

Going to CISNAV:

4th fleet
-1 Wolf-Class Battleship/Command Ship [WHS Green Fang (Flag)]
-1 Modernised Iowa-Class Battleship
-2 Nimitz-Class Aircraft Carriers
-4 Kirov-Class Battlecruisers
-10 Ticonderoga-Class Missile Cruisers
-12 Arleigh Burke-Class destroyer
-15 G-Class Frigate

Air Wing:
-48 F/A-18 (multiple Variants)
-48 F-22N
-24 EA-6B Prowler
-6 E-2 Hawk Eye
-2 C-2 Greyhound
-6 AH-1Z Super Sea Cobras
-6 AH-60 Attackhawk

5th Transport Fleet
-1Ticonderoga-Class Missile Cruiser (Flag)
-10 G-Class Frigates
-4 Capsize-Class Cargo Ships
-6 Albion-Class Landing Platform Dock

To CISFOR:


2nd , 5th, 22nd, 24th, 52nd and 88th Infantry Divisions
-20,000 Soldiers
-1000 Pinzaguer Light Vehicles
-Jackal WMIKs
-RG32Ms (Multiple variants)
-50 L118 105mm Light Guns

54th, 103rd, 60th and 33rd Armoured Cavalry
-20,000 Soldiers and Crew
-200 NPS MBT140A1
-200 LY4A2 Wolfhound MBT
-50 HDT-165 "Colossus"
-10 Shilka Medium AA Tanks
-5 Starstreak HVM AA Missiles
-5 Landwolf AAM Batteries
-30 Support Logistics Trucks

4th, 5th and 9th and 11th Artillery Corps
-15,000 Soldiers and Crew
-250 AS-90 155mm Howitzer
-150 GMLRS
-100 HIMARS (High Mobility Artillery Rocket System)

82nd, 101st, 105th and 3rd Airborne Armoured Cavalry-20,000 Soldiers and Crew
-150 C43 Heavy Lifters
-10 AC-130 Spectre Gunship’s
-80 M80 Patton
-100 T-11 Light Tank
-100 M5A5

107th and 109th Artillery
-5,000 Men
-20 Rapier AA Batteries
-20 Starstreak HVM AA Vehicles
-20 Landwolf AAM Systems
-10 Shilka AA Tanks

88th and 94th Logistics Group
-7,000 Sodiers and Crew
-200 5 and 1/2 ton trucks
-50 MAAaRS (Mobile Artillery Amunition and Reloader System)
-8 Mobile Radar and ESM trucks

To CISAF:

456th and 474th WHAF Combat Troop
-1000 Combat Troops
-120 Wolf WMIKs
-5 Starstreak HVM Vehicles


101st Electronic Support Wing
-4 AWACS
-2 J-STAR

303rd and 305th Tactical Fighter Squadron
-200 INF-2000 "Haribon"
-50 F-117 Steath Fighters

8th Logistial Support Wing
-10 KC-13 Tankers
-100 C-130 Hercules
-20 C-5 Galaxies

92nd Close Air Support Wing
-6 AC-130 "Spectre" Gunships
-40 AH-64 Apache Longbows
-20 AH-1Z Super Cobras
-20 AH-6 Littlebird

Totals

Total Ships: 66
Total Aircaft: 1,018
Total Combat Ready Personel: 364,000
Total Vehicles and Armour: 48,326

As the reports were passed around, the General smiled wondering what the reaction might be.

((OOC: Sorry about the long post, I was bored>< ))

[OOC]

.that the The Galactic Empire of Charzak has decleared war upon The Wolf Hold"

sounds a little FT'ish..

OOC: Scrath that it is FT. I just got confrimation, Damn I was looking forward for such a war...oh well onwards in ignorance.

[OOC]Of course if its MT i have troops based there so i hope i get to do a Blitzkrieg (http://photos.vaxlan.net/d/27405-2/Blitzkrieg+Kittens.jpg)


Georrgi Heinrich looked at Imperial Houses of Lonun delegate and aftger he listened what his coleague had to say he responded in a decent manner...

"I must agree whit that constatation,economy of the alliance should be our top priority to resolve at this meeting,with all other aspect being secondary"

Wolf's General Smithers PDA beeped as an e-mail popped into his inbox, tapping a few buttons and sending the file to an aide who once again disappered out of a door and came back holding several copies of a document. The aide began handing them around, General Smithers stood up to adress the room.

"After seeing this report, I am glad to say that if Vallardes sends 100,000 men then CISFOR will have over one million troops, the CISNAV will have atleast 96 ships and the CISAF will have 1,218 aircraft. The majority of the navy and airforce being pulled from the militaries of Cukarica and The Wolf Hold, so we would appreciate a few more contributions. However back to economics, Wolf's General Gaunt recomeneds that 45% of the CIS total budget be set aside for the CISM. If you look at the report you can see that with a force of this size a substantial amount of money will need to be allocated. This report also bears no mention of personel and vehicles asigned to the Strategic Weapons Divison, Headquaters or R&D"

The Report read:

CISM Report 22
Subject: Numbers For Economic Delegate

WOLF HOLD
Total Combat Ready Personnel: 364,000
Total Combat Ready Vehicles etc: 42,636
Total Combat Ready Aircraft: 1,018
Total Ships: 66

CUKARICA
Total Combat Ready Personnel : 270,000
Total Combat Ready Aircraft: 200
Total Combat Ready Ships: 30

OSEA
Total Combat Ready Personnel: 200,000

MADURUSTAN
Total Combat Ready Personnel: 100,000

LAURDEN
Total Combat Ready Personnel: 50,000
Total Combat Ready Vehicles: Some
Total Combat Ready Armour: Some

VOID TEMPLAR
Total Combat Ready Personnel: 15,000

VALLADARES
Total Combat Ready Personnel : 300 (100,000)

OOC: I'll try to sort out a naval and air contribution once I get back from my Holiday.

OOC: Most apreciated Osea

Then, the Prime Minister said: "100,000 men will be sent to CISM after Holy Week. We hope to fulfill with our commitment. As for the deployment of CISM in Valladares to control the internal situation of the nation, the King would like to have the report about the troops before accepting the intervention." (OOC: I'll be in holiday too)

Wolf's General Smithers PDA beeped as an e-mail popped into his inbox, tapping a few buttons and sending the file to an aide who once again disappered out of a door and came back holding several copies of a document. The aide began handing them around, General Smithers stood up to adress the room.

"After seeing this report, I am glad to say that if Vallardes sends 100,000 men then CISFOR will have over one million troops, the CISNAV will have atleast 96 ships and the CISAF will have 1,218 aircraft. The majority of the navy and airforce being pulled from the militaries of Cukarica and The Wolf Hold, so we would appreciate a few more contributions. However back to economics, Wolf's General Gaunt recomeneds that 45% of the CIS total budget be set aside for the CISM. If you look at the report you can see that with a force of this size a substantial amount of money will need to be allocated. This report also bears no mention of personel and vehicles asigned to the Strategic Weapons Divison, Headquaters or R&D"

"The Void can give more naval and aeronautical elements if you think it is nessacary. Could you reccomend what would be agreeable? We could commission a fleet to CISNAV, although the airforce may be more of a problem as it is mostly naval based."

"The Void can give more naval and aeronautical elements if you think it is nessacary. Could you reccomend what would be agreeable? We could commission a fleet to CISNAV, although the airforce may be more of a problem as it is mostly naval based."


"We would definatly welcome the addition of nautical elements to the CISNAV, the CISAF at the moment should be fine being supplied by The Wolf Hold and Cukarica's forces. However in my opinion CISNAV is severly lacking, at the moment it consits of only 96 ships, to be precise:


CISNAV 1st Fleet
-1 Wolf-Class Battleship/Command Ship [WHS Green Fang (Flag)]
-1 Modernised Iowa-Class Battleship
-2 Nimitz-Class Aircraft Carriers
-4 Kirov-Class Battlecruisers
-10 Ticonderoga-Class Missile Cruisers
-12 Arleigh Burke-Class destroyer
-15 G-Class Frigate

CISNAV 1st Transport Fleet
-1Ticonderoga-Class Missile Cruiser (Flag)
-10 G-Class Frigates
-4 Capsize-Class Cargo Ships
-6 Albion-Class Landing Platform Dock

CISNAV 2nd Fleet
-10 Dr'klow Frigate
-10 Milgem corvettes
-1 FES "Varangian" Admiral Kuznetsov aircraft carrier
-2 End All battleships
-7 Kirov battlecruisers

"Wolf Hold Naval Command is willing to detail one more fleet to the CISNAV but only if the support from other nations is woefully lacking. In short, we need more ships in general, a few more aircraft carriers as well would be appreciated."

"Very well, let me just find something." He tapped a few buttons on his PDA, scrolled down and then clicked on an icon. He passed the datapad to the Wolf Holdian. On it was:

5th Templarian Naval 'Steamroller' Fleet

2x Wejy class Aircraft Carriers
5x Xywytasw class Dreadnoughts
5x Wottyl class Battleships
15x Hofswyl class Frigates
8x Deep Six Submarines
5x Lapn Missile Cruisers
"That fleet is due to tasked with territorial patrol. I very much think that they'd prefer something along the lines of CISNAV to stopping pirates." He smirked slightly, the corner of his mouth suddenly being pinned up. "They're very aptly named too. Is that sufficent? As I said before, we would and will offer more units in the future, but for now we need as many as possible for the escalating rebel problem."

Ambassador Kantakuzenos politely signalled for the assembly's attention.

"Excellencies all, I hope that as an observer, the Empire of New Chalcedon might be permitted to venture an opinion?"

"It seems to me that the CIS membership would be well-served to contemplate the purpose of their alliance. This talk of expanding the alliance's interests is all well and good, and certainly the choice of the members, but if it is poorly done, it can lead to the decay of the alliance."

"On a practical level, there are four considerations that the Empire would like to bring to your attention."

"First: Presupposing the existance of a charter document or some such for the CIS, will this expansion of the CIS render that document clumsy or impractical? If so, then a new Charter may be in order to formalise and set any changes agreed to here."

"Second: It is all well and good to set up a central military force, but are the logistics there to support it, or even agreed upon? Who will command such forces, and how are member states to be assured that they will be used in ways consistent with their individual aims and interests? This is a prime concern when expanding any supranational organisation."

"Third: Presumably, each nation present also has other friends and alliances - in fact, I can see at least three delegations from nations that are also members of the Commonwealth of Independant Nations, which the Empire is part of. How will those other nations and alliances react to this sudden change within the CIS?"

"Fourth, and finally: Will this agglomeration of power from the individual nation-state to the supranational level stop here? If so, all well and good. But if not, then perhaps the enterprise should be reconsidered."

The Ambassador then sat back down, waiting for a reaction.

" I agree with Ambassador Kantakuzenos," said Madeline soon after Mr.Kantakuzenos speech. " I want it clearly stated who controls what. Laudren is also opposed to any large control of the military by one man, or rather, nation. And also, what is the economy of our commonwealth. We need to focus on stabilizing that way before any military decisions are made. And to end, does the CIS' political control model that of the world assembly with member nations."

Eliot coughed lightly amidst the silence that had followed the last statement, no doubt many of the delegates were now considering their stances towards the alliance military and just how invested their resources and reputations would become in the CIS.

“I think we have reached a slight impasse, one which we will need to consider but please my fellow representatives consider this: Our alliance will be more then just military force and the lowering of trade barriers, each of you here brings a unique contribution to the table, I imagine each nation represented here has an interest that they would like to promote and so I would like to know what funds and initiatives each of you would like to have set up. Each of you should be able to go home and announce that the CIS will now be working hard to improve the interests of your people, whether it is monetary relief an environmental trust, shared expertise, or the loan of cultural artefacts to your museums. There are many things that can only be accomplished when the imaginations of quite different people come together, many things only an alliance of nations can bring, so please, tell me what the CIS will do for you.”

(Bump for CIS members, I'll respond when I get a chance. Also check the main CIS thread, we may have an oppertunity)

Kevin Michaels looked around before speaking. "I think the CIS should have an equal share between each member nation so everybody is on a level playing field. Also we should have a security council in case of any incidents to pass any debates through so everybody has a say.

Madurastan's interest would be a broadening of sea trade as at the moment we only use the sea for around 30% of overseas exports and imports. We mostly Import and Export by air which we want to reduce due to the costs of maintaining and running a large cargo plane fleet."

Alexius again spoke up "I do not believe I can provide a detailed answer to your questions Ambassador Kantakuzenos at the moment, but I will try what I can to give what answers I can. Yes, I believe that a new Charter will have to be created for the CIS, concidering the changes to the CIS.

At present, I believe that each nation works on their own to handle the task of supplying their contribution to CISFOR. This, along with the command structure of CISFOR is something to be worked on. As for your third question, I cannot speak for the other CIS members nut there are no problems between the CIS and any of Oseas allies and I intend to put every effort into keeping it that way. For your fourth question, all I can say is that I have no intend of turning the CIS into an Empire or Superstate ".

If Nefzen found some irony in Emperor Alexius' statement she didn't show it, instead she waited for Alexius to finish his point then pushed enthusiasm into her voice,
"Delegate Michaels, I agree that the CIS should not sway away from the interests of those states that make up its numbers and I would certainly support a security council that would operate over and above the CIS military groups.

As for sea trade how can we help to encourage this? We could create a fund for upgrading each nations ports, increase our measures against piracy, open up new trade contracts, purchase new freighters for Madurastan, form a CIS freight and shipping consortium, specifically reduce CIS tariffs over water for Madurastan in willing member states... would any of these measures be of use to you?"

If Nefzen found some irony in Emperor Alexius' statement she didn't show it, instead she waited for Alexius to finish his point then pushed enthusiasm into her voice,
"Delegate Michaels, I agree that the CIS should not sway away from the interests of those states that make up its numbers and I would certainly support a security council that would operate over and above the CIS military groups.

As for sea trade how can we help to encourage this? We could create a fund for upgrading each nations ports, increase our measures against piracy, open up new trade contracts, purchase new freighters for Madurastan, form a CIS freight and shipping consortium, specifically reduce CIS tariffs over water for Madurastan in willing member states... would any of these measures be of use to you?"

"Mister Nefzen my personal opinion that it would be very usefull for CIS to create the fund you are speaking abou,but fighting against piracy is CISNAV job,so i don't think that it would be wise to divide more funds for fighting against piracy.
Also as we are speaking about CIS military groups leadership,i recomend that the first thing to resolve is the budget.
We are willing to give more funds for it if needed."


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"Mister Nefzen my personal opinion that it would be very usefull for CIS to create the fund you are speaking abou,but fighting against piracy is CISNAV job,so i don't think that it would be wise to divide more funds for fighting against piracy.
Also as we are speaking about CIS military groups leadership,i recomend that the first thing to resolve is the budget.
We are willing to give more funds for it if needed."


"Whilst I agree that resolving the budget is important I am confused by the idea that Cukarica feels it uneccessary to protect alliance shipping interests from priate threats. I wasn't suggesting that CISNAV begin actively hunting pirates but rather that we protect vunerable trade routes between CIS members."

"Whilst I agree that resolving the budget is important I am confused by the idea that Cukarica feels it uneccessary to protect alliance shipping interests from priate threats. I wasn't suggesting that CISNAV begin actively hunting pirates but rather that we protect vunerable trade routes between CIS members."

"I'm sorry for the misunderstanding,what i wanted to say is,that one of CISNAV's main objectives is protection of the trade routes,we thought that you are looking to fund a sepparate mission with no CISNAV involvement,and that would be a waste of money,but obviously i missunderstood your statment,i appologise Mister Nefzen."

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Also guys im going to start to write a more detailed charter,if no one objects.
Current points and ammendments of the existing charter will be kept and extended,also of course ill post it so everyone would be able to put his objections and sugestions about it.

If Nefzen found some irony in Emperor Alexius' statement she didn't show it, instead she waited for Alexius to finish his point then pushed enthusiasm into her voice,
"Delegate Michaels, I agree that the CIS should not sway away from the interests of those states that make up its numbers and I would certainly support a security council that would operate over and above the CIS military groups.

As for sea trade how can we help to encourage this? We could create a fund for upgrading each nations ports, increase our measures against piracy, open up new trade contracts, purchase new freighters for Madurastan, form a CIS freight and shipping consortium, specifically reduce CIS tariffs over water for Madurastan in willing member states... would any of these measures be of use to you?"


"I think that the most easiest and cheapest way to do it is to use freighters that Madurastan already has and we can also build new ones, specifically Large Cargo Ships and Large Tankers". He passed a sheet of paper around showing the type of Large Tanker needed. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capesize

He continued speaking. "I think that we could also open set zones for cargo ships to pass through our Territorial Waters if that is needed.

He continued speaking. "I think that we could also open set zones for cargo ships to pass through our Territorial Waters if that is needed.

"Well, why not set up ftz(free trade zones) or EPZ( economic processing zone). We would reduce or eliminate tariffs and quotas. This will attract new businesses and foreign investments. And it would help to allow better economic cooperation if territorial waters, within the CIS, be opened to member nations."

"Well, why not set up ftz(free trade zones) or EPZ( economic processing zone). We would reduce or eliminate tariffs and quotas. This will attract new businesses and foreign investments. And it would help to allow better economic cooperation if territorial waters, within the CIS, be opened to member nations."

"That is a great idea. That would help the companies that rely on sea exporting create more contracts and help boost our Economies as a whole. Also it will help the CIS be self sufficent and not rely totally on outside investment."

An aide handed Alexius two messsages, one of which had the Osean naval commitment to CISNAV. He then turned to General Smithers and handed him a copy of the first messsage that said:-

Osean CISNAV deployment(discounting logistic and auxillery ships)

6 Admiral Unkovsky Class Fleet Carriers (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=14356151&postcount=2)
2 Escort Carriers
12 Ushakov Class Battleships (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=14356156&postcount=3)
20 Kazakov Class Battlecruisesr (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=14356156&postcount=6)
30 Ustinov Class Cruisers (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=14356156&postcount=7)
45 Neukrotimyy Class Destroyers (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=14356156&postcount=8)
60 Orel Class Frigates (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=14356156&postcount=10)
18 Osyotr Class Attack Submarines (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=14356156&postcount=31)
6 Karelia Class Electronic Surveillance Ships (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=14356156&postcount=16)

He then said "We are also working on a program to supply 1,000 MiG-31M Interceptors, 500 SU-34 Fighter-bombers, 200 Tupolev Tu-95 Bombers and 80 Tupolev Tu-160 with the ground and logistical support the force would require. However this force still needs to be built up with aircraft and men so it will take a while to actually have it deployed".