NationStates Jolt Archive


Military Modernization[MT/PMT,Open, sales/response type]

Chernobyl-Pripyat
11-02-2009, 02:43
VEBLENSK[NTV1] - Earlier today the Ministry of Defense announced that a 20 billion budget has been authorized to fully equip the entire military with new equipment and uniforms. One of the equipments being procured, though unknown if it's domestic or foreign, is a new infantry helmet with communication systems, allowing squads to communicate easily with other squads, air and armored units. [anyone have something like that?]

The standard uniform is stated to be entirely replaced for combat troops by the Gorka-R SPOSN uniform, who's light weight and loose fit do not restrict movement; something preferred due to the increase of weight of combat loads and body armor. The "PSZ" series of body armors are being phased out for the lighter and superior "Kora"* armors. The Kora system was originally designed for special forces and the MVD, who regularly don SPOSN-type uniforms and wearing an externally equipped system would hinder movement. [*I'm going to post this in a few days for export]

Because the new Kora armor lacks integrated magazine pouches and is worn under the unform, the "Smersh" webbing system will now be issued as a standard to all combat troops. This would allow the individual to carry more ammunition and be able to access it while firing in the prone position.

Due to state-owned facilities advances in nanotechnology, several major improvements were made in the 5.45 caliber ammunition supplied to armed forces. The new rounds, designated 7N25 are capable of piercing any body armor currently fielded by foreign nations, and is expected to retain that capability for the next 8 years. The newer cartridges are more accurate compared to the older ones, and have an increased muzzle velocity, exceeding 960m/s.

New IFV's are to be procured, heavily replacing the BMP vehicles which the armed forces currently have massive stocks of. The T-90A is expected to remain in service, though new fire control systems and a new APS is sought after.
Defense Corporations
11-02-2009, 03:05
To: Ministry of Defense, Chernobyl-Pripyat
From: Jacques Tanks, CoDC
Re: BMP replacement

We recommend you consider our IFT-11 (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=14353522#post14353522) series as a replacement for your BMPs. Further, we invite you to examine our full catalog (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=577616) of exports, considering your own procurement needs. After all, you are the best judge of what you need.
Varessa
11-02-2009, 05:17
Lyras has what you're after, if he's up for selling it.
For body armour; Dauntless (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=13691710&postcount=1)
For helmet; BALCOTH (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=14243928#post14243928)

Both of those two items of equipment are restricted to allies though, so he may not sell them to you. He's a decent guy, so if you ask him he may waive that requirement and just sell it to you anyway. And, for the record, there is no way in hell that your 5.45mm ammunition is going to penetrate 'Dauntless'. No way at all. Before you make claims like this
capable of piercing any body armor currently fielded by foreign nations, it may be a good idea to check out what's around.
Chernobyl-Pripyat
11-02-2009, 15:47
ahh, right. the ubervest.. considering it's under an export restriction since August, any nation I'd likely get into a conflict more then likely doesn't use it. Therefore, most vests will be defeated.

The new cartridges have a tungsten-sheathed DU penetrator, coated with teflon[to decrease barrel wear.], combined with improved propellants allows the rounds to retain similar range to the standard M74 cartridge. Obviously it's heavier and more expensive to produce.
Crookfur
11-02-2009, 23:26
ahh, right. the ubervest.. considering it's under an export restriction since August, any nation I'd likely get into a conflict more then likely doesn't use it. Therefore, most vests will be defeated.

The new cartridges have a tungsten-sheathed DU penetrator, coated with teflon[to decrease barrel wear.], combined with improved propellants allows the rounds to retain similar range to the standard M74 cartridge. Obviously it's heavier and more expensive to produce.

actually generally speaking for similar muzzle energies the heavier slower round will actually go further...

Of course greatly increasing the weight of the round and upping the muzzle velocity will increase recoil and barrel wear by a signficant margin. Teflon coating would only go so far to make up for the impact of the much higher gas preasures. Not that totally recoing the round is a bad thing just don't expect it to suddenly be out performing full power rifle rounds

Also sheathing DU with tungsten is a bit... redundant. Use one or the other for your core with mild steel or a light weight alloy as the filler.
Hurtful Thoughts
12-02-2009, 05:06
Both of those two items of equipment are restricted to allies though, so he may not sell them to you. He's a decent guy, so if you ask him he may waive that requirement and just sell it to you anyway. And, for the record, there is no way in hell that your 5.45mm ammunition is going to penetrate 'Dauntless'. No way at all. Before you make claims like this
, it may be a good idea to check out what's around.
K, going to point out it doeasn't outright claim any real life-saving protection from shock/crushing/blunt-force-trauma.

A 'soft' body armor converts piercing injuries (bullet holes) into blunt-force traumas (bruises, broken bones, ruptured organs/arteries).

Stiffness gets pretty important when dealing with soft armors and rifles. Likewise, target should be free to recoil w/o injury, otherwise, bullet to head covered in NIJ lvl IV hard armor snaps neck (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jUyesihMliA).

In short, just because it didn't put a hole through their uniform doesn't mean the guy underneath is still A-OK. The accepted amount of deformation on soft-armor before it is said to "fail" for an NIJ rating is generally between 20 and 30 cm^3 of deformation on a clay backstop, this is about comparable to getting punched in the abdomen with enough force to 'tickle' the spine with your fist.

Anyways, piercing soft body armor is like punching a hole in a piece of paper as it falls, it's much more likely to just steamroll the armor into the first hard object in its way (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EV0pN-LaW6E). Then it's pretty much a quick damage-check on whether or not the fellow can get back up again. It's generally nice to RP your soldiers at least losing their balance when getting hit.