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So I've been playing on the idea that my nation should be involved in a Cold War. So I'm looking for a nation/s that would be willing to RP such a role in the NS World.

Basic Facts of Londim:

Full Name: The Magnificient Empire of Londim
Pop.: 5+ Billion

How is it run?

The Emperor and his advisors come up with laws about issues that are raised and control the regulations of the economy. The people do on occassion get to vote on referendums regarding everyday life. The people also enjoy extensive civil rights and freedoms.

The Emperor, Marcus Resantole, believes in the interests of his people and genuinely cares for them.

How would a Cold War work?

Well as the name implies, there would be no direct warfare between the nations involved, instead we'd try to subvert each other in different events. For example Londim gets involved in a war, you aid the other side with financial aid or training or whatever.

Why should I get involved in a Cold War with Londim?

Whatever reason you wish. You don't agree with Empires, the lifestyle of the people, just general loathing...whatever.

How do I apply?

Some basic information is required of your nation then state why you feel your nation would get into a Cold War with Londim and ways you would try to dent Londims reputation.

Apply and become my enemy today!

I like the idea of Spy V.s Spy warfare in a cold war.

I've wanted to do an RP like this for a while, but Parilisa would never think badly of a nation with a good civil rights record. We have strong egalitarian principles (we'd be against your Emperor) so perhaps we could work with that?

What do you say?

This looks very interesting and I wish to sign up. First, some information about my country. It is a single party state with a socialist economy, and has a population of 2 Billion. I can think of a few reasons why my nation would be in a cold war with yours. For a start, you have an empire and my people would likely see you as imperialists. Another reason could be fear of your nation attacking mine or interfering in our affairs. Possible methods would be influencing nations near yours to become friendly to mine and hostile to yours. We would also try to embarrass your nation either by trying to have do certain achievements before you or ruin anything you try to do. There would also be a serious effort to spy on you.

I'd quite like to be an alliance with Osea, as our countrys have roughly the same govermental structure. But I don't want to be a major part of it, so for example my role in the real cold war would be cuba for example. Do you get my drift?

And my country is a single party state too, but mine is communist. We are more into chemical warfare than nuclear, however we do have a few nukes lying around.

I like the idea of Spy V.s Spy warfare in a cold war.

There would be quite a lot of that.

I've wanted to do an RP like this for a while, but Parilisa would never think badly of a nation with a good civil rights record. We have strong egalitarian principles (we'd be against your Emperor) so perhaps we could work with that?

What do you say?

The disdain of your people for the Empire and Emperor would be seen as a threat by the Londim people. This could work...

This looks very interesting and I wish to sign up. First, some information about my country. It is a single party state with a socialist economy, and has a population of 2 Billion. I can think of a few reasons why my nation would be in a cold war with yours. For a start, you have an empire and my people would likely see you as imperialists. Another reason could be fear of your nation attacking mine or interfering in our affairs. Possible methods would be influencing nations near yours to become friendly to mine and hostile to yours. We would also try to embarrass your nation either by trying to have do certain achievements before you or ruin anything you try to do. There would also be a serious effort to spy on you.

I'd quite like to be an alliance with Osea, as our countrys have roughly the same govermental structure. But I don't want to be a major part of it, so for example my role in the real cold war would be cuba for example. Do you get my drift?

And my country is a single party state too, but mine is communist. We are more into chemical warfare than nuclear, however we do have a few nukes lying around.

This seems like a very interesting direction that the RP could take and how we set this out.

Londim could have more than one enemy afterall. However there has to be a starting point as to how this Cold War comes into existence. Any ideas?

Well, we could take ideas from the actual cold war. We could have the first dispute come from us defeating a nation and then fall out when deciding what to do with it. We could also have a conflict between two much smaller nations and have us drawn into supporting different sides.

This sounds like an intriguing idea. I would be interested. First, some info on my nation. A recent civil war, decimated the population. The children of the nation, seeing the destruction their elders had wrought, took up arms, against the few remaining adults. Overwhelming them, purely by numbers, they succeeded in basically eradicating anyone citizen over the age of 16. In the time that followed, a sort of government was worked out. The current hierarchy, is based on social cliques. The Jocks, with the Preppies, and the Surfer Dudes, are on top, mainly based on their immense popularity. Below them, are the bullies, how the leaders use to enforce their will. Then are the teachers pets, the suck-ups, who have shifted their devotion to the next best authority figures, the jocks, preppies, and surfer dudes. They serve as the spies in the general population, tattling on the others when they do something wrong. Then there are the nerds, geeks, and computer whizzes, who serve as the scientists, engineers, etc. , and advisers to the leadership. And below them, are the other kids, who form the backbone of the society, the workers and such. The nation is devotedly capitalist, and has no income tax what so ever. It entire tax system is based on a land value tax. For an explanation of that, please see the announcement thread on it here (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=576378). They are also highly religious, as the Beatus, is the home of the Path of the Blessed, an old, and powerful religion centered around the Great Bob, who created the entire universe.

As for why we would get involved in a cold war. Approval ratings are down, and the President needs something to boost them. His advisers have weighed the options, and determined that while a war, would give an initial boost to the approval numbers due to the fact that he would be taking action against a perceived enemy threat, as it dragged on, and Beatusians started dieing, those gains would begin to slip. However, a cold war, a war without actual fighting, would do the following,
A: Provide a boost in the ratings, due to the fact that he would be taking a hard stance against a perceived enemy.
B: Provide economic stimulus, as the need for constant military readiness against the enemy threat would require more weapons, and a constant update of technology for the military, which would create jobs.
C: Give the President more powers, as they would be needed to fight the perceived threat.
Then, the President would look for anything, even the smallest detail, he could use to turn his population against that of another nation, vilifying that nation, and it's people, for his own personal gains. While such action would not be apparent to the population of the Beatus, it would be quite clear what was happening to the population of the enemy, who could, use that, as a war cry for their own people.

So basically, we would take the smallest flaw in your nation, and expand it into something so vile, and evil, that no one in the Beatus could think your nation and it's people are anything else than monsters, and do it in such a way that it would be quite clear that we were doing it.

Vetalians hate imperial governments. They not only destroyed our nation in years past but are responsible for turning our closest ally in to radioactive slag...if an imperial nation is on the move, it's more likely than not we'll move against them unless far more pressing interests prevent us from doing so.

Furthermore, we don't like economic restrictions, especially if they would prevent us from launching full-out assault on foreign markets. The long-term goal of our country is the complete subversion of all other economies to our own and the institution of the Vetalian ruble as the global currency as well as total dominance in science and technology, no matter the human cost. As a result, of course, our technology is found to some degree or another in virtually all modern products and our country is a leader in the market for developing and patenting genetic research...Vetalian industrial robots assembled untold quantities of manufactured goods, Vetalian medicines keep the tide of disease at bay, and Vetalian transistors fill its computers by the billions. Any country that seeks to stop our progress out of concern for ethics will be dealt with severely.

As a result, we are willing to ally with many different nations so long as they share either our commitment to anti-imperialism, scientific progress, and free markets (or any combination thereof). We may not openly come out against Londim, but it's highly likely any nations actively opposed to you will get our support.

The Holy Empire would add an interesting ingrediant to this mix. We are Iron Fist Consumerists, sort of like Post-Revoulotion Iran. Maybe that could be our role in this RP.

Well, we could take ideas from the actual cold war. We could have the first dispute come from us defeating a nation and then fall out when deciding what to do with it. We could also have a conflict between two much smaller nations and have us drawn into supporting different sides.

Ideas from the Cold War will be taken. Space Race, Arms Race, Funding Wars etc.

This sounds like an intriguing idea. I would be interested. First, some info on my nation. A recent civil war, decimated the population. The children of the nation, seeing the destruction their elders had wrought, took up arms, against the few remaining adults. Overwhelming them, purely by numbers, they succeeded in basically eradicating anyone citizen over the age of 16. In the time that followed, a sort of government was worked out. The current hierarchy, is based on social cliques. The Jocks, with the Preppies, and the Surfer Dudes, are on top, mainly based on their immense popularity. Below them, are the bullies, how the leaders use to enforce their will. Then are the teachers pets, the suck-ups, who have shifted their devotion to the next best authority figures, the jocks, preppies, and surfer dudes. They serve as the spies in the general population, tattling on the others when they do something wrong. Then there are the nerds, geeks, and computer whizzes, who serve as the scientists, engineers, etc. , and advisers to the leadership. And below them, are the other kids, who form the backbone of the society, the workers and such. The nation is devotedly capitalist, and has no income tax what so ever. It entire tax system is based on a land value tax. For an explanation of that, please see the announcement thread on it here (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=576378). They are also highly religious, as the Beatus, is the home of the Path of the Blessed, an old, and powerful religion centered around the Great Bob, who created the entire universe.

As for why we would get involved in a cold war. Approval ratings are down, and the President needs something to boost them. His advisers have weighed the options, and determined that while a war, would give an initial boost to the approval numbers due to the fact that he would be taking action against a perceived enemy threat, as it dragged on, and Beatusians started dieing, those gains would begin to slip. However, a cold war, a war without actual fighting, would do the following,
A: Provide a boost in the ratings, due to the fact that he would be taking a hard stance against a perceived enemy.
B: Provide economic stimulus, as the need for constant military readiness against the enemy threat would require more weapons, and a constant update of technology for the military, which would create jobs.
C: Give the President more powers, as they would be needed to fight the perceived threat.
Then, the President would look for anything, even the smallest detail, he could use to turn his population against that of another nation, vilifying that nation, and it's people, for his own personal gains. While such action would not be apparent to the population of the Beatus, it would be quite clear what was happening to the population of the enemy, who could, use that, as a war cry for their own people.

So basically, we would take the smallest flaw in your nation, and expand it into something so vile, and evil, that no one in the Beatus could think your nation and it's people are anything else than monsters, and do it in such a way that it would be quite clear that we were doing it.

A Cold War against a nation of clever children. I could see this as quite a challenge as not everyone in my nation would agree with it. Challenges are fun.

Vetalians hate imperial governments. They not only destroyed our nation in years past but are responsible for turning our closest ally in to radioactive slag...if an imperial nation is on the move, it's more likely than not we'll move against them unless far more pressing interests prevent us from doing so.

Furthermore, we don't like economic restrictions, especially if they would prevent us from launching full-out assault on foreign markets. The long-term goal of our country is the complete subversion of all other economies to our own and the institution of the Vetalian ruble as the global currency as well as total dominance in science and technology, no matter the human cost. As a result, of course, our technology is found to some degree or another in virtually all modern products and our country is a leader in the market for developing and patenting genetic research...Vetalian industrial robots assembled untold quantities of manufactured goods, Vetalian medicines keep the tide of disease at bay, and Vetalian transistors fill its computers by the billions. Any country that seeks to stop our progress out of concern for ethics will be dealt with severely.

As a result, we are willing to ally with many different nations so long as they share either our commitment to anti-imperialism, scientific progress, and free markets (or any combination thereof). We may not openly come out against Londim, but it's highly likely any nations actively opposed to you will get our support.

The Holy Empire would add an interesting ingrediant to this mix. We are Iron Fist Consumerists, sort of like Post-Revoulotion Iran. Maybe that could be our role in this RP.

I'm getting the constant rhythm of anti Imperialism so maybe you could be a bloc of nations that all have some grudge against mine. Out of this you could all work together or even have other Cold Wars springing up between you.

That would be cool. By the way, you need to make another Age RP Londim!

That would be cool. By the way, you need to make another Age RP Londim!

I would but the last one fell apart so badly and no one was really that interested after a while. I may in the future.

I'm getting the constant rhythm of anti Imperialism so maybe you could be a bloc of nations that all have some grudge against mine. Out of this you could all work together or even have other Cold Wars springing up between you.

It's virtually guaranteed that we would begin working against our "allies" if they posed a threat to our ideological goals, so chances are we would continuously pose a threat to both sides (both in the terms of the struggle itself and objectively due to the sheer size of our country).

Right I've started looking at various threads, where we could oppose each other without interfering too much into the main plot of those independent threads. I shall post links for reviews.

EDIT:

RP's that could cause the outbreak of civil war.

But Father! (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=581344)

An interesting thread to say the least that throws up a lot of leadership and civil rights questions.

It looks like the right thread to start with. I think we should use that thread, unless Londim finds a better thread. Also, Londim, I have a number of puppets that are part of my nation, but I usually don't include them. Would it be alright with you if I included them for this?

It looks like the right thread to start with. I think we should use that thread, unless Londim finds a better thread. Also, Londim, I have a number of puppets that are part of my nation, but I usually don't include them. Would it be alright with you if I included them for this?

That's not a problem. They could be great settings for other conflicts of interest.

As I said, they are part of my country, as autonomous provinces. But we could have you and perhaps other nations supporting seperatist movements once the cold war gets started.

As I said, they are part of my country, as autonomous provinces. But we could have you and perhaps other nations supporting seperatist movements once the cold war gets started.

That could be a great RP in itself. Just have to wait for the others to see if they have any other ideas.

Don't we need an RP, to ignite this cold war, before we start getting involved in the actual cold war? Something to fuel the kind of hatred that would be needed to successful sustain a long lasting, economically stimulating cold war, with steady build-ups of weapons, and arms-races.

Don't we need an RP, to ignite this cold war, before we start getting involved in the actual cold war? Something to fuel the kind of hatred that would be needed to successful sustain a long lasting, economically stimulating cold war, with steady build-ups of weapons, and arms-races.

Right I've started looking at various threads, where we could oppose each other without interfering too much into the main plot of those independent threads. I shall post links for reviews.

EDIT:

RP's that could cause the outbreak of civil war.

But Father! (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=581344)

An interesting thread to say the least that throws up a lot of leadership and civil rights questions.

There was this suggested.

I understand that, however, I don't see that inspiring the kind of hatred that would be need as a ignition. It would be perfect if we were already in a cold war. The real cold war started over the communist scare in the United States, and the USSR's goal of expanding socialism. These were events that happened in the nations directly involved. I just don't see a cold war starting over two nations supporting differing factions in a far away war, that should come later, but that is just my point of view on this.

Vetalia's goal is complete economic dominance and rewarding those nations that share our goal of a united world under Vetalian economic rule. Chances are, unless your nation is ethnically Russian or extremely pro-Vetalian capitalist, you'd oppose our rule. Vetalians are, well, some of the most ethnocentric and greedy people on the planet and it's hard to find likable things about them unless you already share our viewpoint.

We don't refer to ourselves as "Golden Vetalia" for no reason...there's so much money there that any nation that supports our goal will be rewarded in inconceivable terms. Just look at British Londinium...they prospered thanks to Vetalian friendship but made the mistake of attacking Gholgoth leading to their destruction. Hopefully other states don't make a similar mistake.

Hey if it wouldn't be too much of a problem could I get in this as well?

My government is a Benevolent dictatorship with an emperor that is just emerging from a civil war and is only now a nation. It would probable support you Londim. I don't think it would play a major role but smuggling weapons to your nation and allied nations that are occupied, ambushes, a car bomb here or there, that kind of thing.

Vetalia's goal is complete economic dominance and rewarding those nations that share our goal of a united world under Vetalian economic rule. Chances are, unless your nation is ethnically Russian or extremely pro-Vetalian capitalist, you'd oppose our rule. Vetalians are, well, some of the most ethnocentric and greedy people on the planet and it's hard to find likable things about them unless you already share our viewpoint.

We don't refer to ourselves as "Golden Vetalia" for no reason...there's so much money there that any nation that supports our goal will be rewarded in inconceivable terms. Just look at British Londinium...they prospered thanks to Vetalian friendship but made the mistake of attacking Gholgoth leading to their destruction. Hopefully other states don't make a similar mistake.

Hey if it wouldn't be too much of a problem could I get in this as well?

My government is a Benevolent dictatorship with an emperor that is just emerging from a civil war and is only now a nation. It would probable support you Londim. I don't think it would play a major role but smuggling weapons to your nation and allied nations that are occupied, ambushes, a car bomb here or there, that kind of thing.

You are free to join. Okay instead of using an existing RP, we could have one of my provinces trying to break away or someone in my government trying to gain power and put political pressure on the Emperor. Everyone okay with that?

Yeah. My Emperor would probably support you.

Here is the thread to start all of this:

Empire of the Damned (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=14471758#post14471758)

Is it still okay for me to join, i just havn't posted anything in here since errrm well my other post

Is it still okay for me to join, i just havn't posted anything in here since errrm well my other post

Its fine for you to join though now I think we have enough nations to get some good RP's going. So you are the final entrant to this Cold War....for the time being.

Thank you!

Nooooo! Do I have to be put on a waiting list then?

Could i join in the fun? :)

My Government is a Democratic Monarchy. With having a Emperor is to have a symbol with no real power. The President is elected by elections every 10 years. It's a economic powerhouse but with a large corruption charges at the government.

Londim, I just thought I should inform you that my government has changed to an autocracy.