NationStates Jolt Archive

Sorry that the last one got messed up. There were 12 participants and 4 of them just went inactive leaving team to to die. So here is a new one please post ORBATs and please don't join if you don't know if you want to do this.

OK, I'm keeping my ORBAT but I'm using CH-47 Chinooks instead of Hueys and taking out two F-35s and replacing them with RQ-8s.

So am I

my ORBAT's gonna be the same, dyu want me to repost it anyway?

it doesnt matter

Is this open to new people?

only experienced RPers.

alright, just for easy accessiblity, il repost my ORBAT

my forces:

planes =
8 F-7N fighters
2 C-2 greyhounds

helicopters =
2 CH-53E Super Stallions

navy =
1 AS-709 omega class submarine - RTNV phantom
1 type 23 frigate - RTNV defiance
1 Rotterdam class LPD - RTNV osorio

(RTNV - republic of tubaui navy vessel)

tanks/APC's =
3 LY4A1 wolfhound MBT's
2 LY219 Ironheart IFVs

infantry =
100 infantry drawn from 1st recon force.
flecktarn uniform.
Kevlar MK6 helmets
iotv body armour
L45 sidearms

3 tubaui'n infantry platoons =
2x ten man squads - 10 R-25C carbines
1x five man squad - 3 R-25C carbines, 1 rpd lmg, 1 rpg-29

1 tubaui'n support platoon =
2x eight man mechanized squads - 8 R-25C carbines (in the IFV's)
2x two man sniper teams - 1 L96A1 sniper rifle, 1 R-25S sharpshooter rifle
1x five man support team - 1 L9A1 mortar, 1 rpd lmg, 2 R-25C carbines, 1 barret m82 sniper rifle

ok. Guys this is the new ooc btw. I'll post a link on the old OOC

only experienced RPers.
Kinda ironic...

planes =
8 F-7N fighters
2 C-2 greyhounds
Wryyyyyyyyyyyyyy?!

Put me down for two platoons of 48 men ea...
One Army-Mech and the other Light-HOI.
Approx: 36 LMGs, 36 Light Mortars, 60 Assault-Rifles, 6 AM-'rifles'

2 Tanks, 3 IFVs, 5 trucks, 4 heavy mortars, 2 wagons, 8 horses

Aircraft: 4 F-4 Phantom IIs, 2 V-22, 2 PBY, 2 C-17, and 2 Mi-17s

Navy
A Katana-class destroyer**, a Katana class fire-support ship, and Tango class submarine.

*I did fun stuff with these, including the addition of 35 mm cannon...
ROF/range isn't great though... Mostly for commonality/ground-pound.
**One can carry up to 4 helies, the other carries twin 914 mm uber-mortars. (http://z4.invisionfree.com/NSDraftroom/index.php?showtopic=5246)

Considering re-application /w/ Hutrian Marine-raider platoon (a few 'anti-mecha/fortification' soldiers, not sure if they count as 'tanks' when temproarilly near-immune to small-arms fire).
But then, nothing in anyone else's orbat warrants their use (they have a tendancy to die regardless).
Same goes for sub-orbital deployment ships ('spam in a can' (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pjjAscFfpLM))...

I meant people that know how to rp.

-snip-

Hey HT. I was just wondering what you would advise for transporting Bradleys/Challys/troops? Clearly my last transportation scheme didn't work, and I'm befuddled on what to do now. I was thinking Chinooks. Got any recommendations?

My thoughts: LCACs or other landing craft for Challengers (or maybe C-17s; there's just few enough tanks to make it work), and probably for Bradleys also. Chinooks are alright for troop transport; given the limits set, I personally would take upgraded Mi-24 Hinds, because they're well-armed and carry troops, but MH-60s would probably work just as well.

my orbat (also im interested . . . still lol)
NAVY
1 x America class amphibious assault ship
2x Ticonderoga Class Cruiser

AIRFORCE
2xAH-1z Vipers
9x F-35 Lightning-2
1xE-3 Sentry

GROUND
Armored
2xLeopard 2A6M CAN
3xM3A3 Bradly IFVs

Infantry
3x Scout Platoons
2x Indirect Fire Platoons
5x Assault Platoons

Scout platoon
4x Sniper
Dakota T-76 Longbow
Para-ordinance LDA
Active optical Camouflage
Dragon Skin Class 4 armor
Logistics equipment
5x Marksmen
XM8 Marksman Variant
Para-ordinance LDA
Active optical Camouflage
Dragon Skin Class 5 armor
M68 Frag Grenade
M14 Thermite Grenade
XM84 stun grenade
XM47 smoke grenade
Logistics equipment
1x Heavy
XM8 Automatic Rifle Variant
Para-ordinance LDA
Active optical Camouflage
Dragon Skin Class 5 armor
M68 Frag Grenade
M14 Thermite Grenade
XM84 stun grenade
XM47 smoke grenade
Logistics equipment


Assault platoon
1x Sniper
Dakota T-76 Longbow
Para-ordinance LDA
Active optical Camouflage
Dragon Skin Class 4 armor
Logistics equipment
2x Marksmen
XM8 Marksman Variant
Para-ordinance LDA
Active optical Camouflage
Dragon Skin Class 5 armor
M68 Frag Grenade
M14 Thermite Grenade
XM84 stun grenade
XM47 smoke grenade
Logistics equipment
4x Assault
XM8 Baseline Variant with Under barrel Attached
Para-ordinance LDA
Active optical Camouflage
Dragon Skin Class 5 armor
M68 Frag Grenade
M14 Thermite Grenade
XM84 stun grenade
XM47 smoke grenade
Logistics equipment

1x AT
FGM-148 Javelin with one reload
XM8 Compact Carbine Variant
Active optical Camouflage
Dragon Skin Class 4 armor
Logistics equipment

1x Machine gunner
M249 SAW
Para-ordinance LDA
Active optical Camouflage
Dragon Skin Class 5 armor
M68 Frag Grenade
M14 Thermite Grenade
XM84 stun grenade
XM47 smoke grenade
Logistics equipment
1x AA
Stinger Block 2
XM8 Baseline Variant
Active optical Camouflage
Dragon Skin Class 5 armor
M68 Frag Grenade
M14 Thermite Grenade
XM84 stun grenade
XM47 smoke grenade
Logistics equipment


Indirect Fire Platoon
3x Mortar Teams
3x Troopers
1x M224 Mortar
Para-ordinance LDA
Active optical Camouflage
Dragon Skin Class 5 armor
Logistics equipment

1xMortar team commander
XM8 Marksman Variant
Para-ordinance LDA
Active optical Camouflage
Dragon Skin Class 5 armor
M68 Frag Grenade
M14 Thermite Grenade
XM84 stun grenade
XM47 smoke grenade
Logistics equipment

Hey HT. I was just wondering what you would advise for transporting Bradleys/Challys/troops? Clearly my last transportation scheme didn't work, and I'm befuddled on what to do now. I was thinking Chinooks. Got any recommendations?

My thoughts: LCACs or other landing craft for Challengers (or maybe C-17s; there's just few enough tanks to make it work), and probably for Bradleys also. Chinooks are alright for troop transport; given the limits set, I personally would take upgraded Mi-24 Hinds, because they're well-armed and carry troops, but MH-60s would probably work just as well.
DC covered it pretty well.
The best-lifting choppas are the CH-53E and Mi-26 varieties, with the CH-54 Tarhe and CH-47 family coming in @ 3rd and 4th place respectively.
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The ulttra-rare Mi-10 is a fair if ungainly contender in the heavy-lift role, being ablr to handle 15 metric tons.
Downside being, the M-2 Wieghs in @ 20 to 30 tons...

So, the 'obvious' solution (for airmobility), if you want to call it a solution, is either to use something lighter in order to make it airmobile, develop your own Uber-lifter, or land the armor via conventional means (surface-crawl methods).

Now, before searching around and running into "Mike Sparks" in a dark alley.
I'll tell you right-off that when you remove half the mass or more from something, it's coming from someplace, and that's generally going to screw you fugly in a shooting war when the chips are down, so expect heavy losses if you go the "sparky" route.
Also, Gavin is not an official name for the M-113, quoting any line of his teachings on NSD is a surefire way to get lulzed at.
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But, since you:
1- Don't have the time to develop a unit
2- Likely wouldn't want to use my kit, and trust me, it doesn't sell too well except on black-markets for a reason
3- Like using RL kit

I'd suggest you give a good hard look at armored cars and certain ruskie APCs, such as the BTR and BMD series, a few have tank-guns or 120 mm gun-mortars that served with great distinction in Afghanistan, Checknya and Georgia. If you want Americanksi gear, take a much more positive attitude towards the LAV-25 after reading how well the SdKfz-234 acht-rad Panzerwagen handled in WW2.

If you plan on ditching the airmobility-card, get either a proper heli-gunship, or a well armed assault-transport such as the MH-60 or Mi-8 armed with rocket and gun pods.

These, coupled with some V-22s and overwatched by some AC-130s or PBY catalinas would pwn. Just be ready to 'longball' from the gunships to remain out of the effective range of teh enemy MANPADS (5 to 10 km)...

NAVY
1x LCAC
2x Drake Class Destroyers - VTN Hellfire and VTN Jericho

AIRFORCE
2x Westland WAH-64 Apache
5x F-35B Lightning-2
4x Dassault Rafale
1x V-22 Osprey (Rapid deployment/evac)

GROUND
Armored
3x Leopard 2A6M(F) [VT modified with a flamethrower)
2x Puma IFV

Infantry
2x Marine Combat Recon Platoons
2x Marine Close Artillery platoons
6x Marine Assault Platoons

Marine Recon Platoon
4x Sniper
Dakota T-76 Longbow
Desert Eagle
Active optical Camouflage
Modular Tactical Vest
Logistics equipment
5x Marksmen
XM8 Marksman Variant
Desert Eagle
Active optical Camouflage
Modular Tactical Vest
M68 Frag Grenade
M14 Thermite Grenade
XM84 stun grenade
XM47 smoke grenade
Logistics equipment
1x Heavy Sniper
Barrett M82
Desert Eagle
Active optical Camouflage
Modular Tactical Vest
M68 Frag Grenade
M14 Thermite Grenade
XM84 stun grenade
XM47 smoke grenade
Logistics equipment


Assault platoon
2x Marksmen
XM8 Marksman Variant
Desert Eagle
Modular Tactical Vest
M68 Frag Grenade
M14 Thermite Grenade
XM84 stun grenade
XM47 smoke grenade
Logistics equipment
5x Assault
HK416 w/ grenade launcher attachment
Desert Eagle
Modular Tactical Vest
M68 Frag Grenade
M14 Thermite Grenade
XM84 stun grenade
XM47 smoke grenade
Logistics equipment

1x AT
FGM-148 Javelin with one reload
HK416
Active optical Camouflage
Modular Tactical Vest
Logistics equipment

1x Machine gunner
M249 squad automatic weapon
Desert Eagle
Modular Tactical Vest
M68 Frag Grenade
M14 Thermite Grenade
XM84 stun grenade
XM47 smoke grenade
Logistics equipment
1x AA
Stinger Block 2
HK416
Modular Tactical Vest
M68 Frag Grenade
M14 Thermite Grenade
XM84 stun grenade
XM47 smoke grenade
Logistics equipment


Close Artillery Platoon
3x Mortar Teams
3x Troopers
1x M224 Mortar
Desert Eagle
Modular Tactical Vest
Logistics equipment

1xMortar team commander
XM8 Marksman Variant
Desert Eagle
Modular Tactical Vest
M68 Frag Grenade
M14 Thermite Grenade
XM84 stun grenade
XM47 smoke grenade
Logistics equipment

101st might recognize this:
This is pretty much covering all the stuff I could issue to an individual soldier
I'll have to cover crew-served stuff later...
Standard Rifle cartridge: 6.5x55 Swede (P++)
Assault Rifle: LAR-655E4 (quasi-bullpup) (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=10892498&postcount=17)
Battle 'Rifle': CM-38(belt fed, conventional layout, may be converted for mag-feed, better suited for underbarrel weapons, bipod)

Standard Pistol cartridges: 9x19mm and/or 6.5x25mm
CBJ-MS (http://world.guns.ru/smg/smg101-e.htm)
APS (http://world.guns.ru/handguns/hg22-e.htm)/APB (http://world.guns.ru/handguns/hg155-e.htm) Stechkin

Other: (expect muniions to get pretty crazy on these)
M-26 (RL XM-26 LSS) (http://world.guns.ru/shotgun/sh28-e.htm)
LAS-12 (12 ga based on the Assault rifle, well, actually, it was developed the other way around...)
HM-320 (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=10796159&postcount=15) (no, it isn't this... (http://world.guns.ru/grenade/gl17-e.htm) though it looks the same, this beast is a tad stronger built and is essentially a sawed-off breechloading mortar/PIAT in capabilities...)

Hand Grenades/explosive goodies:
-HE, Thermobaric/FAE, WP
-Shaped-charge/land-mine/demolition
-Brick/Wad of C-4 and detonators+cord in satchel
-Frag-sleeves (an add-on, essentially a ribbon/belt of notched nails that wraps around grenades/explosives)
Rifle-grenades

Melee:
Spike Bayonet, Knife bayonet, spade, multi-tool

Armors:
None or flak-vest

Helmets:
None, soft-hat, Spectra, FFW helmet

Augmentations/medical (issued, may or may not be used):
Painkillers: Won't feel pain (not always good thing)
Pep-pills/stim-pak: keeps him active beyond normal endurance
Coagulants: Stops bleeding faster
Rations
Medium First aid-kit (takes up space)
Extra Ammo 2 MG ammo cases
Extra ammo 20x 40mm or 10x 60mm grenades
Low-power scope (4x)
High-power scope (6x)
IIR-scope (too expensive)
Tactical/"sniper's" shield
-HM-320 Base-plate
-Tripod (for CM-38 only)

Crew served stuff.
MC-5: 120 mm towed heavy mortar
12.7 mm Kord: It a HMG
CC-35C: Meanest Anti-material Rifle evar, fires 35 mm shells from long-barrel
LMG-mod kit: Taking rifle, replacing barrel+handgaurd with Lewis-type forced air cooling
PGL-40 (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=10761024&postcount=12): When something absolutely (http://world.guns.ru/grenade/gl28-e.htm) has to die (http://world.guns.ru/shotgun/sh30-e.htm). Note the 82 mm rifle-grenades.

NNNOOOO!!!! Yeah I remember that, its from the dead firefight thread lol. I think he died again like this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3WyuJTD1lc4&feature=related

Kinda ironic...


Wryyyyyyyyyyyyyy?!


**One can carry up to 4 helies, the other carries twin 914 mm uber-mortars. (http://z4.invisionfree.com/NSDraftroom/index.php?showtopic=5246)

Considering re-application /w/ Hutrian Marine-raider platoon (a few 'anti-mecha/fortification' soldiers, not sure if they count as 'tanks' when temproarilly near-immune to small-arms fire).
But then, nothing in anyone else's orbat warrants their use (they have a tendancy to die regardless).
Same goes for sub-orbital deployment ships ('spam in a can' (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pjjAscFfpLM))...
You still interested/in HT?

Im gonna keep this page updated once the IC kicks off http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=14429897&posted=1#post14429897

-snip-

Switched to the M551, little old but useful in some ways I hope, with Mi-26s. And AC-130s couldn't land on my carrier... not really, no, not without more risk that warranted.

And as I have mentioned earlier I don't really like V-22s, thanks, although they would be useful. Not sure about a gunship... are there any carrier-variants?

Standard Rifle cartridge: 6.5x55 Swede (P++)
Assault Rifle: Aug Bullup
Battle 'Rifle': CM-38(belt fed, conventional layout, may be converted for mag-feed, better suited for underbarrel weapons, bipod)

Standard Pistol cartridges: 9x19mm and/or 6.5x25mm
CBJ-MS
APS/APB Stechkin

Other: (expect muniions to get pretty crazy on these)
M-26 (RL XM-26 LSS)
LAS-12 (12 ga based on the Assault rifle, well, actually, it was developed the other way around...)
HM-320 (no, it isn't this... though it looks the same, this beast is a tad stronger built and is essentially a sawed-off breechloading mortar/PIAT in capabilities...)

Hand Grenades/explosive goodies:
-HE, Thermobaric/FAE, WP
-Shaped-charge/land-mine/demolition
-Brick/Wad of C-4 and detonators+cord in satchel
-Frag-sleeves (an add-on, essentially a ribbon/belt of notched nails that wraps around grenades/explosives)
Rifle-grenades

Melee:
combat knife, Knife bayonet, spade, multi-tool

Armors:
None

Helmets:
IBH with a Surefire helmet light

Augmentations/medical (issued, may or may not be used):
Pep-pills/stim-pak: keeps him active beyond normal endurance
Rations
Medium First aid-kit (takes up space)
Extra Ammo 2 MG ammo cases
Extra ammo flash, Smoke, frag grenades
Low-power scope (4x)
High-power scope (6x)
Tactical shield
-HM-320 Base-plate
-Tripod (for CM-38 only)

Um... HT I took this from you, and I modded it abit, is that ok with you?

Also:

Lmg: MK46
Smg: Ump-40
Shotgun: AA-12

yeah, do you want to join?

yeah, do you want to join?

You have some decent rp here so...
Yes!

yeah, do you want to join?

You have some decent rp here so...
Yes!

Whats the tech level and troop levels?
link to old occ (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=579545)


Orbit
1x America Class Assault Class (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/America_class_amphibious_assault_ship)
1x DD(X) (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DD(X))
1x Seawolf class submarine (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seawolf_class_submarine)

1x Apache (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AH-64_Apache)
1x Chinook (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CH-47_Chinook)
6x Lightnings (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/F-35_Lightning_II)
1x EC-130 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lockheed_EC-130)
1x Sentry Plane (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/E-3_Sentry)
2x NightHawks (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/F-117_Nighthawk)

100 Infantry
Armed with
2x grenades (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M67_grenade) per person, various other chemical/smoke grenades and such
100x Uniforms (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Army_Combat_Uniform), including flak jacket/dragon skin.
10x M249 Squad Automatic Weapon (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M249_Squad_Automatic_Weapon)
5x Barrett M82s (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barrett_M82)
5x M39s (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M39_Enhanced_Marksman_Rifle)
5x 60 mm mortar (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M224_60_mm_mortar)
2x 120 mm mortars (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M120_120_mm_mortar)
12x SLMAWs (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shoulder-Launched_Multipurpose_Assault_Weapon)
40x Tomhawks (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tomahawk_(axe))(titamium and reinforced steel make)
100x P226s (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SIG_P226#P228)
100x G-1s (http://z10.invisionfree.com/Universal_Defense/index.php?showtopic=10)
15x GLARRM-37s (http://z10.invisionfree.com/Universal_Defense/index.php?showtopic=36)
20x M870s
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Remington_870)
5 Long range multichannel radios(100 km+)
80 short range multichannel radios(10 km+)

WIP
Units:
1x mortar/artillery(20)
Uses Mortars, carries radio and other long range equipment

3x assault(60 total)


1x recon(20 total)

2x Leopards (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leopard_2)
2x Bradleys (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M2_Bradley)
1x High Mobility Multipurpose Wheeled Vehicle (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High_Mobility_Multipurpose_Wheeled_Vehicle)

ok, go to the old ooc and get an ORBAT

Post an ORBAT, we should have teams up now/shortly/soon.

I just said that lol

PMT, search the old ooc thread youll find it all there.

I'll post it tommorow. G2g for today.

You still interested/in HT?
Yes.
Standard Rifle cartridge: 5.56x45+7.62x51 NATO*
Assault Rifle: Steyr Aug Bullup
LMG: FN Minimi/M249/Mk 46
Battle-Rifle/GPMG: G-3/HK-21*

Standard Pistol: .40 S&W
SMG: UMP-40
Shotgun: AA-12

Underbarrel mounts:
M-26 (RL XM-26 LSS)
M-203

Hand Grenades/explosive goodies:
-HE, Thermobaric/FAE, WP
-Shaped-charge/land-mine/demolition
-C-4, detonators and cord in satchel (5 kg)

Melee:
Knife bayonet, spade, multi-tool

Armors + Helmets:
IBH with a Surefire helmet light

Optional
3 K-Rations (72 hr)
Medium First aid-kit (takes up space)
Extra Ammo 2 MG ammo cases OR flash, Smoke and frag grenades
Low-power scope (4x) OR High-power scope (6x)
Tripod (for MG)

Um... HT I took this from you, and I modded it abit, is that ok with you?
Sorta, some of the stuff you listed are my own indig stuff in which you have not acquired permission to use yet.
So I'm nerfing your kit-list in this quote.
Your choice of SMG is rather odd.

And using tac-shields is kinda fail unless you know their limits...
For one thing, getting hit is quite liable to knock you on your ass, and if the bullet is big enough, rip a hole through it, you, and your squad; did I mention they're bulky?

*Added for your snipers, if you want something that pounds faster than an AWP.

ill just keep what i had. I couldn't get on for a few days, but eeverything is fixed and im back on.

Yes.

Sorta, some of the stuff you listed are my own indig stuff in which you have not acquired permission to use yet.
So I'm nerfing your kit-list in this quote.
Your choice of SMG is rather odd.

And using tac-shields is kinda fail unless you know their limits...
For one thing, getting hit is quite liable to knock you on your ass, and if the bullet is big enough, rip a hole through it, you, and your squad; did I mention they're bulky?

*Added for your snipers, if you want something that pounds faster than an AWP.

"Every time you awp god kills a kitten" (CSS Gamer after being killed) lol
. . .wel actually me after being killed but still . . ..

Same characters in place. No observer on Tubaui's sub, since it's crowded enough as is. No reason to waste the limited food stores of his sub, not when the O/Cs will give full after-action reports, including details on the performance of all weapons used.

Chazakain, why 2 EC-130s in a small-unit wargame? Sure, you'll get some data from information reception, but you reasonably only need 1, not 2. Plus, since it's a wargame, it's not like you could get the enemy to surrender faster or make good use of propaganda.
Also, why the made-up names for RL equipment?

Switched to the M551, little old but useful in some ways I hope, with Mi-26s. And AC-130s couldn't land on my carrier... not really, no, not without more risk that warranted.

And as I have mentioned earlier I don't really like V-22s, thanks, although they would be useful. Not sure about a gunship... are there any carrier-variants?
M551 summary (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jjETgKkavDc) Note recoil (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ELsa_Q-mJb4) Both are Mi-26 or CH-53E lift capable IIRC.
It also has a gap between the gun-missile and dumbfire ammo.
Shooting w/o warning the driver can get you into trouble...

Helicopters can be gunships too. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=28RpUmrtGHE) Otherwise you mod the hell out of the C-2s*
Keep in mind, a heli can "crab-walk", better known as "circle strafe" to gamers.

There's a downside bout that though...
And there are better options than the AH-1, 1st doesn't always mean best...

Although, like the AIM-9, outright replacement has been hard to justify at this time.

*IMO, we have plenty gunships, an an Mi-26 can haul 150 in a single go, so scrap them in favor of 'dedicated dive-bomber/CAS', and you can cut-back on the number of Mi-26 in favor of a scout/attack heli to spot for PGMs dropped by 'fast movers'...

**F-35 is pretty good (new gun is happy medium between tank choppa and BB-spamfest), though I held a soft-spot for the A-1's raw tonnage and accuracy, no comment on A-10 unless you plan on landing them.

Yes.

Sorta, some of the stuff you listed are my own indig stuff in which you have not acquired permission to use yet.
So I'm nerfing your kit-list in this quote.
Your choice of SMG is rather odd.

And using tac-shields is kinda fail unless you know their limits...
For one thing, getting hit is quite liable to knock you on your ass, and if the bullet is big enough, rip a hole through it, you, and your squad; did I mention they're bulky?

*Added for your snipers, if you want something that pounds faster than an AWP.
What would you suggest?

What would you suggest?
For what?
I just inserted the HK-21 in place of the CM-38, the M-203 UGL in place of the HM-320, and dropped a lot of the stuff that really wouldn't do you any good in a MILEX (drugz are bad).

As for pistol choice, it wasn't nicknamed the ".40 caliber Short & Wimpy" for nothing. I'd say stick with .45 ACP so you can use M1911A1 and M1917 J-frame revolvers.

Tac-shields, no, just no... They don't work like on counter-strike IRL...
In WW1 german "sniper shields" were used at longer ranges to provide immunity for their riflemen until they could dig trenches.

That went out the window once the surviving British Sportman-soldiers brought their elephant-guns from home* to fire "solid" bullets through the plates.

*To this day, if you are in the military, and honestly think your hunting rifle is better, you can have it mailed to the front-lines... That how the M24/M40 came to be...
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Oh, right, and if you join the CA, my sales reps will turn against you without warning.

M551 summary (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jjETgKkavDc) Note recoil (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ELsa_Q-mJb4) Both are Mi-26 or CH-53E lift capable IIRC.
It also has a gap between the gun-missile and dumbfire ammo.
Shooting w/o warning the driver can get you into trouble...

Helicopters can be gunships too. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=28RpUmrtGHE) Otherwise you mod the hell out of the C-2s*
Keep in mind, a heli can "crab-walk", better known as "circle strafe" to gamers.

There's a downside bout that though...
And there are better options than the AH-1, 1st doesn't always mean best...

Although, like the AIM-9, outright replacement has been hard to justify at this time.

*IMO, we have plenty gunships, an an Mi-26 can haul 150 in a single go, so scrap them in favor of 'dedicated dive-bomber/CAS', and you can cut-back on the number of Mi-26 in favor of a scout/attack heli to spot for PGMs dropped by 'fast movers'...

**F-35 is pretty good (new gun is happy medium between tank choppa and BB-spamfest), though I held a soft-spot for the A-1's raw tonnage and accuracy, no comment on A-10 unless you plan on landing them.

I think I'll just go with my current scheme with Mi-26s and M551s. I just want to represent a good, solid, basic front. You guys can handle all of the sneaking around, secret mission stuff.

I think I'll just go with my current scheme with Mi-26s and M551s. I just want to represent a good, solid, basic front. You guys can handle all of the sneaking around, secret mission stuff.

Do we have teams yet?

um... when the hell did i post that? ok... but um, I'll check the rosters and post teams.

lol just above lmao

damn, someone mustve hacked my account. I dont remember posting that...

lol nice

Kenavt get the fuck off my account!!!

I think I'll just go with my current scheme with Mi-26s and M551s. I just want to represent a good, solid, basic front. You guys can handle all of the sneaking around, secret mission stuff.

You see... that's my post.

Kenavt get the fuck off my account!!!
um... when the hell did i post that? ok... but um, I'll check the rosters and post teams.
lol just above lmao
damn, someone mustve hacked my account. I dont remember posting that...

LOL, LOL, LOL, and more LOL. But that was an accident, sorry about that 101st. Long story. As you were, gentlemen and ladies.