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The Republic of the Battlehawk
Press Briefing

Ladies and Gentlemen. In two hours the Battlehawk Navy will field test the Resistance Class BattleCarrier. The BattleCarrier class combines the capabilities of a Battleship, that being the heavy firepower avaliable with the flexibility of an Aircraft carrier. The Resistance class will have the calibre weapon of the Iowa class and seventy five percent of the air wing of an Alleigiance class. The new F/A 30 Talon II as well as other Carrier craft, which has been specially designed for the shorter flight deck required due to less space due to the heavy weapons. Whilst most of the ships technology is classified, the Resistance Class will be the most advanced ship in the Battlehawk Navy.

Battlehawk Navy Station Walker

"Captain on Deck!" A young ensign called from the flight deck of the Resistance.
Captain Thomas Torres smiled as he stepped onto the deck "Stand at ease!" he replied and began walking through the arrayed crew, receiving Salutes, left right and centre.
Once on the bridge Thomas looked down at the ship. At the front and back of the flight deck were the ships heavy weapons. The flight deck angled past the front weapons to allow the jets to take off.
"Engineering officer, bring the nuclear reactors online, departure in One hour fourty five minutes

Check out Hypersphere LTD's Bahuviris-II for something that rivals this. A Submerisble Nuclear Carrier with two triple-mount 16" deck guns for shore bombardment.

OOC: Of course, it's ridiculously non-MT, but other than that...

OOC: The Battle carrier concept, hows that non-mt?

He may have meant the Sub-Carrier

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=579988

OOC: Oh right

ooc so reminds me of photos of early Carriers

OOC: The Battle carrier concept, hows that non-mt?

OOC: On the contrary, a battleship/carrier has been a fact of naval warfare since WWII. Of course, there's a reason why we don't use them anymore--for a similar cost, you could just build a larger aircraft carrier.

OOC: My research shows that there hasn't been a dedicated B/C Design,

OOC: My research shows that there hasn't been a dedicated B/C Design,

OOC: The Admiral Kuznetsov (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_aircraft_carrier_Admiral_Kuznetsov) isn't enough for you? It doesn't mount guns, but it packs almost the same AShM load as the Kirov class battle cruiser. Maybe there's a reason no sane person has ever tried to mount sixteen inch guns on a carrier.

<RBS Restiance>

"We're ready to depart Captain" The Resistances Eningineerig officer reported
"Put the tugs in postion, lets go"
The mutiple tugs moved into postion and began to tug the huge ship out of the harbour. Once in open water the tugs backec off and the Resistance engaged her powerful engines.
"Helm, set a course for the Navel training area" Thomas ordered

OOC: The Ise Class of Japanese battleships were converted into aircraft carrier/battleship hybrids in WWII. How are you planning on getting within gunnery range?

OOC: Thats the beauty of having big guns and an air wing, my fighters will keep the enemy occupied whilst the ship moves closer

<Navel Training Area, of the Battlehawk coast>

"We're on station now Captain"
"Good" THomas replied "Whats the first test?"
"Theres an obsolute crusier ten miles out to sea, we are ordered to fire on it and then send two fighters to confirm destruction"
"Alright, Main Battry, target the crusiers and prepare to fire" THomas ordered. All four of the ships main 16-inch / 50 cal. Mark 7 guns, turned to port and adjusted their trajectory.
"BAttry ready!"
"Fire!" The ship was rocked as the four guns fired their shells and the effect on the water could clearly be seen.
"Prepare the fighers" Thomas ordered and the two fighets began pre-flight. In the distance the shells hit. An explosion was visable.
"Launch the fighers"

OOC: Thats the beauty of having big guns and an air wing, my fighters will keep the enemy occupied whilst the ship moves closer

OOC: If you honestly believe that in a modern battle, you can close to gunnery range with an aircraft carrier without being flooded with AShW missiles, fine. But don't say I didn't warn you.

OOC: My research shows that there hasn't been a dedicated B/C Design,

OOC: IRL, the Japanese developed a battle carrier design. And my Portland Iron Works developed a battle carrier on NS.

I'm not sure where you did your research.

OOC: Thats the beauty of having big guns and an air wing, my fighters will keep the enemy occupied whilst the ship moves closer

OOC: Or you can just build a carrier and have your air wing destroy the enemy.

OOC: Well, problem with combining battleship and carrier is pretty simple, carrier is meant to stay far away as you simply cant armour it very well, and its airwing allows it to strike over long distances. Battleship is meant to close in and be able to take lots of damage due its heavy armour. Its far more effective to keep those roles separated instead of creating half-gunned, poorly armoured hybrid with small airwing (although many people would say that big gun battleship is outdated anyway and you should simply build more carriers and cruisers).

OOC: My research shows that there hasn't been a dedicated B/C Design,

There's a reason that carriers don't mount gun armaments: Their flight decks are FAR too fragile (and expensive!) to risk to enemy fire, and adding armor to the flight deck is both inordinately heavy due to the massive surface area and remarkably ineffective, given that relatively small craters on its surface will still render the deck useless.

If you're willing to do a little light reading on the topic, I'd suggest Brodie's A Layman's Guide to Naval Strategy. Rather well written, and it discusses the roles of various vessels against the backdrop of WWII, as well as providing an idea of what exactly your ships should be doing to begin with. A wee bit sparse on info regarding missiles (not precisely unreasonable, considering they hadn't been invented yet), but I like to think of them as more space efficient, more accurate, longer ranged cannon anyway.