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Birkaine
17-01-2009, 08:27
HYPERSPHERE TECHNOLOGIES LTD.
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Hypersphere Technologies LTD, a conglomerate from most of the high-profile corporations in the Strangereal region, not excluding the Belkalandian Naval Yards, the Birkanian Geon Enterprises and other smaller companies, and is the leader in cutting-edge air, ground and naval-based systems technologies in fields ranging from radical aerospace engineering to underwater fleet carriers.

Our products offer the maximum efficiency and effectivity in combat, blending perfectly aspects such as firepower, precision and stealthiness. We guarantee that our products will offer maximum survivability and lethality for the soldier, sailor and pilot of tomorrow.

The prominent naval division of the Hypersphere Technologies Corporation is the leader on alternative developments to standard surface ships and submarine vessels, with the most notable aspect of this industry being the underwater carrier development projects. These projects have currently produced a wide array of ships, available to any military in the world.
Currently, Hypersphere is the world leader in both conventional submarine technologies and the developing field of underwater carriers:


NAVAL-BASED SYSTEMS

Vindictive-class submersible aircraft carrier (SSCVN).
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The Vindictive-class, the largest submarine built by Hypersphere Technologies and operated in any Strangereal Navy, originating from Birkaine, is the result of extensive studies to provide the Birkanian Navy with a means for unparallel power projection that was coupled with the stealthiness of a normal submarine. These large ships mostly operate as flagships for the Birkanian Navy in limited numbers, although they can be produced on a wider scale by Hypersphere technologies. This carrier uses an advanced magneto hydrodynamic propulsion system for propulsion, with a more conventional set of pumpjets to be used when Anti-submarine patrols are nearby, which makes the Vindictive a very flexible weapons platform.

With three aircraft elevators and three catapults located in different points of the main runway this carrier can operate both ASTOVL and conventional aircrafts, and modifications can be cheaply made to provide it with the adequate signaling for VTOL aircrafts and helicopters. Its large hangars can store up to 35 medium-sized aircrafts along with the respective amount of fuel and spares.

Provided with six torpedo tubes for self-defense against naval and submarine targets, these torpedo tubes can be adapted to fit the customer’s requeriments and allow it to use the respective nation’s arsenal. This trait is shared with the 32 VLS lightweight missile tubes located on the sides, able to fire a wide variety of cruise missiles and SAMs, which makes the Vindictive-class an excellent choice for any nation that desires to have unparalleled force projection abilities without the vulnerability of normal aircraft carriers. The Vindictive-class’ radar, sonar and defensive weaponry will be provided according to the customer’s desires.

Specifications (Standard model):
Length: 325.8 meters
Width: 62.1 meters
Propulsion:
-2x OK-650 Nuclear Reactor
-2x Diesel Turbine
--1x MHD-2 caterpillar drive located on the stern
--2x pumpjet engines
Speed: 15 knots while submerged.
Compliment: 1300 men and officers.
Electronic Warfare and sensors:
--MGK-540 active/passive suite
--Flank arrays
--Pelamida towed array sonar
--MG-70 mine detection sonar
--MG-74 Korund noise simulation decoys
--MT-70 Sonar intercept receiver
--Nikhrom-M IFF
Armament:
--6x 533mm torpedo tubes with space up to thirty torpedoes
--32x Vertical launch tubes with space for up to 3 tomahawk missiles each.

Price tag: 4.5 billion USD. The pack includes fuel and other systems the consumer might desire. Additional modifications might add to the final price. For maximum effectivity we recommend the Vindictive-class to be equipped with F-35A Lightning II fighters, although most carrier aircrafts are able to operate from this submarine with little to no modifications.

Bahuviris-class submersible nuclear carrier
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Even though smaller than the Vindictive-class and lacking its aircraft capacity, the Bahuviris-class submarine makes up by being an extremely versatile weapons platform able to execute pretty much any task it might be assigned to. Possessing a missile arsenal rivaling that of arsenal ships, The Bahuviris-class is able to engage and destroy any surface targets it might encounter, while still keeping anti-submarine capacity in the form of several torpedo tubes and very advanced sonar systems located in the prow.

Propelled by a versatile caterpillar MHD drive, it is able to reach any corner in the world with minimum noise, when it will be able to strike with either its impressive missile arsenal or deploy several VTOL attack aircrafts it can carry onboard. The standard payload is of 3 F-35B lightning II fighters, 2 AH-70 Navajo attack helicopters and a single Eagle Eye UAV for battlefield monitoring. These aircrafts can be removed for twelve Advanced Amphibious Assault Vehicles (AAAV), to quickly and efficiently carry out small-scale landing operations; making the Bahuviris unmatched in versatiliy. This versatile submarine is currently only used by the Birkanian and Belkalandian Navies, although it is now able to be purchased by any country.

Specifications (Standard model):
Length: 325.2
Width: 50.1 meters (not counting stabilizers)
Propulsion:
-1x S1B Nuclear Reactor
---1x MHD-2 caterpillar drive located troughout the middle line of the hull.
Speed: 18 to 25 knots while submerged.
Compliment: 800 men and officers.
Electronic Warfare and sensors:
--sonar (bow, flank, active intercept, and towed arrays)
--periscopes (attack and search)
--collision avoidance radar
Armament:
--6x 533mm torpedo tubes with space up to forty torpedoes
-- ~400x lightweight VLS tubes adapted to fire many types of missiles including the Tomahawk cruise missile, small, specialized ballistic missiles and the S-400 Triumph surface to air missile in varying amounts.

Another version built in limited numbers by Hypersphere LTD, the Bahuviris II, sacrifices a few launch tubes to carry two 16-inch triple mount turrets inherited from battleships, one slightly in front of the sail and the other in front of the VLS module; both in sealed hangars that open when the ship has surfaced. This provides the Bahuviris of impressive coastal bombardment ability, and proved popular with nations and commanders that are not willing to have all weapons replaced by missiles.
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Price tag: 5.5 billion USD for Bahuviris I and 5.55 billion for Bahuviris II. This does not include the missile load. The price for the complete package with missiles included is 6.1 billion for Bahuviris I and 6.0 billion for Bahuviris II. Even though they can be bought without the missiles, Hypersphere gives a bonus to the clients that purchase the full package, in the form of a free Global Hawk UAV and several discount coupons for Birkanian tourism.

Conversion packs.
Despite their versatility and lethality, some countries regard the Bahuviris and Vindictive classes of submarine carriers as too much of an investment. Hypersphere takes this into consideration, and offers the most cost-effective solution for the nations that desire stealthy force projection: Conversion packs.

The underwater carrier conversion packs are the perfect solution for aging submarines to become effective war machines once more, and at the same time providing cost-effective alternatives to normal aircraft carriers. Currently the two packs manufactured by Hypersphere are conversions for the Typhoon and Ohio classes.
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While sacrificing the missile-carrying capacity of the Ohio, this conversion to an aircraft carrier allows it to effectively surface at a safe distance outside of the enemies’ defensive range and launch attacks with the stealthy F-35B Lightning II fighters, ideal for destroying coastal installations such as refineries and defensive coastal batteries with relative ease. The F-35s are stored in an internal hangar in the middle section of the ship, along with the fuel and necessary equipment. Even though they are formidable warships by themselves, these converted Ohios are best used in groups. The recommended aircraft for the converted Ohio is the F-35B VTOL fighter, although it can operate other aircraft such as Harriers and Yak-141s without any modifications. Up to two aircraft might be launched at once. This converted Ohio keeps its anti-submarine capability, keeping the effective sonar and torpedo tubes of the initial model.
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The second pack, designed to turn the Typhoon-class submarine into a very effective and deadly VTOL carrier, putting Mi-24 gunships and Ka-52 helicopters to good use. This allows it to deploy attack helicopters and aircrafts from where the enemy least expects it, thus being very effective in the task of taking by surprise and destroying armored divisions with great efficiency and ease. Even though it was designed to be mainly a helicopter carrier, it can carry aircrafts such as Harriers, F-35s and Yak-141s without the need for any modification. This submarine uses technology developed from the Bahuviris-class in the form of its hangar hatches, that can open at any given time and allow all the aircraft inside to come out (and later land) unhindered, and can even be fitted with lights to provide good signaling.

All the initial equipment such as powerplant and sonar of the Typhoon and Ohio submarines is kept for maximum economical efficiency, although further modifications to the submarine might be ordered by the client at any time. Differences in the dimensions or performance in the submarines are almost nonexistent.

Price tag: 800 million for the Ohio conversion pack and 1.3 billion for the Typhoon conversion pack. This makes the conversion packs into the most cost effective way to have effective power projection for your forces. However, take in mind that Hypersphere LTD doesn't make neither the Typhoon nor Ohio class. The ship must have been previously bought from another manufacturer for Hypersphere to modify it.

Krasnodar-class SSBN
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Rather than an alternative, the Vihenian Krasnodar-class nuclear ballistic missile submarine is a compliment to the other submarines produced by Hypersphere. Lacking any aircraft carrying capacity, the Krasnodar is meant to be a silent and deadly missile platform, designed to remain hidden until it is ordered to fire its ballistic missiles. The Krasnodar posseses an impressive array of ballistic missiles and can carry both conventional and nuclear payloads. The conventional payload of the extremely deadly Bulava missile is boosted by five tubes capable of carrying a submarine-launched version of the monstrous R-36 missile, more commonly known as SS-18 Satan, giving it unparalleled firepower, both nuclear and conventional, giving it tremendous firepower, both nuclear and conventional. The larger missiles are stored in a large module on the rear part of the sail while the smaller ones* are stored in the middle part of the ship.

While not being optimized as a submarine carrier, the Krasnodar keep’s Hypersphere’s usual amount of versatility by adapting the submarine to use the Cormorant SLUCAV. While it can be launched relatively easily, there is no means to recover the UCAV, and it should be only used when enemy anti-submarine aircrafts get too close. After it has run out of ammunition, the Cormorant can be programmed to crash against an enemy target.
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The Krasnodar’s six 533mm torpedo tubes are optimized for the launch of both torpedoes for anti-submarine duty and cruise missiles even while fully submerged.
*What isn’t smaller?

Specifications:
Length: 325.2
Width: 15.4 meters
Propulsion:
-1x OK-650B Nuclear reactor
--shaft and propeller
Speed: 20 knots when submerged
Compliment: 120 men and officers.
Electronic Warfare and sensors:
--Radar: 1 MRK-50 Albatros’-series (Snoop Tray-2) nav./search
--Sonar: MGK-503 Skat-KS (Shark Gill) suite: LF active/passive; passive flank array; Barrakuda towed passive linear array; MT-70 active ice avoidance
--EW: MRP-10 Zaliv-P/Buleva (Brick Pulp) intercept; Park Lamp D/F
Armament:
--6x 533mm torpedo tubes able to fire both the RPK-12 cruise missile and conventional torpedoes. 40 missiles and torpedoes carried.
--8x large VLS tube, a single SS-28 each.
--16x medium VLS tube, carrying a single Bulava missile each or 4 Cormorant SLUCAVs.
The payload can be changed to cruise missiles or anti-ship missiles at any given time with no modifications.

Price tag: 1.3 billion as a standalone and 1.6 billion with a complete missile payload and additional fuel. Cormorant SLUCAVs will be provided along with the submarine if the full pack is purchased.

Hydrurga-class fast attack submarine
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The Hydrurga-class fast attack submarine, or SSN, is designed by Hypersphere to act as an escort for the bigger classes of submarines offered, although it is a very capable war machine on its own.

Inherited from Neucom Inc; the design incorporates many cutting-edge features such as a diesel turbine system and an air-independent proton-exchange membrane hydrogen fuel cell system. For unparalleled stealthiness, allowing it to be both an invisible protection for the heavier submarines and to sneak up on enemy fleets and other naval targets for devastating effect. The advanced powerplant is linked to a full-hull magneto hydrodynamic drive to allow for maximum efficiency, although it is able to switch for more conventional thrust-vectored pumpjets at any time.

The Hydrurga-class of fast attack submarines posseses several VLS tubes used mainly for firing torpedoes and ASROCs with as less noise as possible. It incorporates extremely advanced sonar and other sensors, plus a retractable AA and SAM mount inside a hatch on the prow to allow for air defense while surfaced.

Specifications:
Length: 57.8 meters
Width: 8.1 meters
Propulsion:
-2x 2 HDW/Siemens PEM fuel cells
-1x Diesel Turbine
--1x MHD-2 caterpillar drive located troughout the hull
--2x pumpjet turbines
Speed: 35 knots while submerged.
Compliment: 24 men and officers.
Electronic Warfare and sensors:
--STN Atlas DBQS40 sonar suite:
----TAS-3 passive low-frequency towed array sonar (deployed from sail)
----FAS-3 passive low- and medium-frequency hull-mounted flank array sonar
----MOA 3070 mine detection sonar.
Armament:
--16x 533mm vertical torpedo and missile launch tubes with space up to fifteen torpedoes or twenty four mines. Can be adapted to fire cruise missiles an ASROCs with ease.

Price tag:
500 million per unit. Fuel, missiles and torpedoes are included.


Dinsmark-class SSK
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Developed by the Hypersphere LTD conglomerate as a cheaper alterative to the Type 212 U-Boat, the Dinsmark-class SSK is a short to medium-range escort & patrol U-boat. Using comparable systems made by corporations within the Hypersphere LTD conglomerate to lower the costs, the Dinsmark-class SSK is capable of doing most jobs asked of the Type 212 U-boat. Unfortunately, due to the smaller size of the Dinsmark-class, the 212 can perform such duties for a longer period of time. Thankfully, this weakness is made up by the fact that the Dinsmark-class is significantly cheaper to purchase & operate.

Statistics
Height: 31ft. 8in.
Length: 172ft 4in.
Width: 28 ft 5in.
Propulsion:
1 Geon Automotive V16 396 diesel-engine
2 Sudentor Industries/Ragna Labs PEM fuel cells 120 kW
1 Ragna Labs Relu'Vesh 1700 electric motor 1700 kW, driving 1 7 bladed Propulsor Unit
Speed:
22 Knots submerged, 15 Knots surfaced
Diving Depth:
1804ft.
Range:
6,750 nautical miles at 8 Knots
Armament:
4x 533mm torpedo tubes (1 Pair of both Starboard & Port sides) with 8 DM2A4 Seehecht torpedoes & 4 DM3A2 Gewitter II Super-Cavitating Torpedo (Developed from the VA-111 Shkval 2 Super-Cavitating Torpedo)
Countermeasures:
Torpedo defense system Tau, 4 launchers, 40 jammers/decoys
Sensors:
Ragna Labs Pesque a Descubridor 345 sonar suite:
FFPLM-8 passive low- and medium-frequency hull-mounted flank array sonar
MSD-007 mine detection sonar
Sudentor Industries ZERO-001 Photonics Mast/Snorkel System
Geon Enterprise Type 258 I-band navigation radar
Hoffnung Technologies EM1701 ESM suite
Ragna Labs Hydrophones
Sudentor Industries GANTLET autopilot and hydraulic systems
Avalon Heavy Industries AS-C-91 combat system
Crew complement:15-20 (including 5 officers)

Price: $175mil Universal Standard Dollars


AIRCRAFT
FQ-7
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The FQ-7, nicknamed the ‘Shredder’ by pilots, Is a stealthy multirole UCAV is a fast and agile unmanned strike aircraft widely used in the Birkanian Air Force and recently made available for purchase. Its advanced composite structure and RAM coating give it a small RCS enough to allow it to strike at heavily defended targets without any risk for a pilot. Completely multifunctional, the FQ-7 can take on many roles including air superiority, air defense neutralization and ground attack roles without need for any modification.
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While the standard FQ-7 is an unmanned plane capable of both being controlled by a ground station and operating autonomously, a manned variant of the airframe designated F-7B (not to be confused with the Cutlass) is built by Hypersphere Technologies. The F-7B is built for countries that do not want their air force replaced by UCAVs, and it’s especially designed to act as a flight leader for a squadron of UCAVs.
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Statistics:
Type: Multirole
Length: 16.2 meters
Wingspan: 15.9 meters
Speed: Mach 2.5 at altitude
Service Ceiling: 55.000ft
Electronic equipment:
--AN/APG-81 AESA radar
--MIL-STD-1773 Data bus
--AN/AAS-37
Weaponry:
--M621 20mm autocanon
--2x internal bay with capacity up to 3 AIM-120D air to air missiles or CBU-100 cluster bombs each. Can carry a wide variety of additional weaponry.

Price tag:
55 million per each UCAV, not including any type of ammunition. However, the standard pack includes 4 UCAVs and a command vehicle for the pilots. F-7Bs are to be bought separately at 50 million.

SMALL ARMS
M8A1 Main Battle Rifle
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Designed from the original XM8 Assault Rifle prototype, the M8A1 is the result of a joint 10 year crash course in developing an indigenous Main Battle Rifle (MBR) by the Republic of Belkaland & The Republic of The Emmerian Unions. Firing the powerful 7.62x51mm round, its stopping power is far above most contemporary MBR, which fires the lighter, but less powerful 5.56x45mm NATO standard round in most cases. Because of the near legendary recoil of the 7.62 round, steps were taken to decrease the recoil to the shooter. One of which uses the blowback system to slow the barrel down.

During the Emmerian field testing of the rifle, Emmerian commanders & soldiers commented of the ease of which it was to clean. One soldier even commented that he dropped & left the rifle in mud overnight and with a little washing down the next morning, fired like new. It quickly became a favorite of the troops, in fact, when the field testing was over, it was reported that some of the soldiers had to be ordered to return the weapons. Afterwards, it was tested in Belkaland and it had a very similar result among the troops. So it put into full production and quickly replaced the old M16s & M4s within both Belkalandain & Emmerian militaries. 2 years later, the Hypersphere Technology LTD corporation formed and bought production right for it from the Emmerian & Belkalandian Government and begun to export it.

Stats:
Caliber: 7.62x51mm
Overall Length: 30in(Stock in)/33in(Stock out)
Barrel Length: 12.5 inches
Magazine capacity: 30 rounds or 100-round Drum
Rate of Fire(RoF): 850 Rounds per Minute(rpm)
Barrel Life: 25,000 rounds
Muzzle Velocity: 2,760 feet/second
Price: $1,200 USD per weapon


M8A2 Sniper Rifle
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Another thing about the M8A1 is the various variants of it. Because of it being of a modular design, it was fairly easy to turn the already accurate A1 model into the A2 Sniper rifle. Changing out the short 12.5in barrel for a 20in barrel & the fully integrated red dot sights for a more power version, the M8A2 Sniper variant is able to reach out to over 1 ½ miles and accurately hit its target.
Price: $1,500 USD per weapon

M8A3 Squad Automatic Weapon
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The second variant of the A1 model is the M8A3 SAW or Squad Automatic Weapon. Useful when providing covering fire, a SAW version on the M8 was seen as a way to not only replace an aging weapon, but to provide further commonality with what was fast becoming a reliable All-in-One weapon. The SAW Variant used a heavier 20in barrel for the needed sustained fire & the replacement of the barrel hand grip with an integral folding bipod for stability.

Price: $1,450 per weapon

More Hypersphere weapons systems are to be added in the near future. Choose defense, choose Hypersphere.

Accreditation:
Vindictive design and picture: me
Bahuviris image: Mezinov from Shipbucket.
Typhoon image: Mezinov and Wakazashi from Shipbucket.
Ohio image: Collosseum from Shipbucket.
Krasnodar design and pic: Stealthflanker
Hydrurga image: Design - me. Image - Lincer 556 from Electrosphere.info
M8-series images: Wolff 6.0
Ustio North
17-01-2009, 17:15
I'm seriously interested in the Bahuviris-class. In fact, i'll purchase a couple. Will it work with F-35C's as well as F-35A's?

IC:

Dear Sir,

I have been instructed by the Prime Minister to order two Bahuviris-II-class Submerisible Carriers, with plans for a further two should they meet with our satisfaction. I believe this comes to a total price of $11.1 Billion USD, with a further payment of $11.1 Billion upon confirmation of purchase of the second two Carriers

Yours Sincerely,
Micheal Gordon,
Ustian Secretary Of State For Defence
Belkaland
17-01-2009, 20:00
OOC: Sorry, the Bahuviris I & II can only take VTOL aircraft.

IC: Hypersphere LTD has approved your order of 2 Bahuviris II-class Submersible Nuclear Carrier and as you are the first to publically order the Bahuviris II-class, you have been bumped from the basic $5.55Bil offer to the fully armed $6Bil offer for no extra charge. 1 already complete Bahuviris II-class has set sail for Ustio North with the 2 free Global Hawks aboard and the second Bahuviris II has been started. Completion of second Bahuviris II: 3 NSYears

Please wired the $11.1 Billion USD to HYPERSPHERE TECHNOLOGIES LTD.

We hope you will be satisfied with the Bahuviris-II and will return to purchase the second pair of ship. And remember: Choose defense, choose Hypersphere.
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Ustio North
17-01-2009, 20:33
OOC: Sorry, the Bahuviris I & II can only take VTOL aircraft.

IC: Hypersphere LTD has approved your order of 2 Bahuviris II-class Submersible Nuclear Carrier and as you are the first to publically order the Bahuviris II-class, you have been bumped from the basic $5.55Bil offer to the fully armed $6Bil offer for no extra charge. 1 already complete Bahuviris II-class has set sail for Ustio North with the 2 free Global Hawks aboard and the second Bahuviris II has been started. Completion of second Bahuviris II: 3 NSYears

Please wired the $11.1 Billion USD to HYPERSPHERE TECHNOLOGIES LTD.

We hope you will be satisfied with the Bahuviris-II and will return to purchase the second pair of ship. And remember: Choose defense, choose Hypersphere.
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Dear Sir,

Payment has been wired. We look forward to seeing the ship in action, and, rest assured, we will keep you in mind for any further needs.

Yours Sincerely,
Micheal Gordon,
Ustian Secretary Of State For Defence
Birkaine
17-01-2009, 22:34
Hydrurga-class fast attack submarine is now available for purchase.
Defense Corporations
17-01-2009, 22:57
"Rachel, look at this," Lise Shipyards said. "Somebody's offering submarine aircraft carriers."

"Sub-carriers? Hmm..." Rachel Shipyards, the local manager, muttered, walking over. "Oh, great. You have to have the sub above the surface to operate the planes? Wouldn't that ruin the point of a sub? Easier just to put missiles on it."

"I suppose..." Lise replied. He read the ad more closely. "Look, 800-1300 crew. That'll create lots of noise."

"Yeah. Back to work, Lise," Rachel said, already heading back to her desk.

OOC (out-of-context; refers to when I speak, not my characters): You ought to sign up for the NS Draftroom (http://z4.invisionfree.com/NSDraftroom/), where designs are critiqued and refined. You've got some good subs, some interesting subs, and some subs (the carriers) that I don't think would really be practical.
Birkaine
17-01-2009, 23:09
OOC: You know, submarine carriers cannot be tracked constantly by satellite, don't make up for enormous radar bullseyes and are not destroyed by something as simple as massed missiles. Not like they don't have missiles either. Not like ballistic missiles aren't just unstealthy contraptions just begging to be shot down by a rather wide array of missiles. It's not like people haven't come up with far more unfeasible things already either.
Belkaland
17-01-2009, 23:20
The NS draftroom isn't that great, just a bunch of guys who doesn't want anything that doesn't exist now.
Brogavia
17-01-2009, 23:25
The NS draftroom isn't that great, just a bunch of guys who doesn't want anything that doesn't exist now.

Yes, that's why almost every MBT designed on there uses ETC gun systems...
Belkaland
17-01-2009, 23:31
Do you mean electrothermal-chemical? If so, that already exists, just not in production.
Brogavia
17-01-2009, 23:39
Do you mean electrothermal-chemical? If so, that already exists, just not in production.

OOC: Nevermind me, its appears I was wrong.
ChevyRocks
17-01-2009, 23:55
A quick note for now before I go eat dinner: The guys over at Shipbucket are going to be very annoyed that you're using their drawings without crediting the original artist(s). The pictures representing your Bahuviris I & II, and refitted Ohio and Typhoon class subs, are originally made by Shipbucket artists and I suggest that you either remove them or credit those artists who made them. Shipbucket people get very unhappy when people steal their work.
Izistan
18-01-2009, 00:07
ooc:
he conventional payload of the extremely deadly Bulava missile is boosted by five tubes capable of carrying a submarine-launched version of the monstrous R-36 missile, more commonly known as SS-18 Satan, giving it unparalleled firepower

oh god wat

The R-36 is GIGANTIC and liquid fueled. Both of which make it crap for submarine launch. Bulava is good, but a conventional payload totally negates it purpose.

Flow noise from the carriers will be excessive and the MHD will show up like a giant neon saying DROP NUCLEAR DEPTH CHARGES HERE OY OY to any aircraft with MAD gear. Given the short range nature of the aircraft you're packing, any half decent coastal defense would negate the subs real fast.
No endorse
18-01-2009, 00:33
The NS draftroom isn't that great, just a bunch of guys who doesn't want anything that doesn't exist now.
The NS Draftroom is based upon reality and feasibility, this is why many dislike it. We'd take a look at submarine carriers and chuckle, as they are simply not feasible or efficient. Really, a lot of these designs aren't that feasible.
Case in point
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First off, this is a VERY slow submarine to be called "Fast Attack." Alfas managed 45 knots submerged.

Secondly, I want you to take a look at the bow. It very much resembles the nose found here on the F-4 Phantom
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Submarines are dominated by laminar flow, which occurs at lower Reynolds Numbers. Also, water doesn't compress, and it's VERY viscous. As such, they are designed with hemispherical bows and slowly tapering hulls, or at least they should be (in real US sub design, a bow and stern are designed, and varying center tubes are connected to various modifications of the bow and stern) The hemisphere is important, it is the lowest drag shape in vicious, incompressible flow, as it maintains laminar flow longest.
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This is an image of the fastest military submarine ever created. There it is. One of the most ideal shapes for speed. Due to the way water works, that is infinitely more hydrodynamic than the drawing posted for the submarine, due to the way water is incompressible. Air can absorb excessive compression quite easily, water can't. Air can bend around curves, water doesn't like to. (Transoms are another story and function off sucking water along with the boat)

Also, VLS torpedoes are sketch, and will be just as loud as regular ones.



With the carriers, I wonder how effective pressurization is maintained in such an odd shape, as well as flight deck rigidity at diving depth. Plus there are issues with maintaining the seals around the elevators, and problems with launching and recovering planes at any sea state not calmer than a glass of water. (wet flight decks KILL) Then there are the large hull voids to handle the aircraft with minimal hull support. This will force the subs to a shallow depth, easily spotted by orbital assets. Also, limited space onboard reduces the number of missions that can be launched to a very low number, restricts the maintenance that may be done, and limits air wing size. Oh, and then there's the whole bit about landing and about how the radar is so low to the water as to provide minimal help.



I don't want to be an asshole, I'm just pointing out that submersible carriers are very limited in the "Modern" realm. Also, that 'fast attack' submarine shouldn't look like a Corvette Stingray, and should be a lot faster.
Belkaland
18-01-2009, 00:46
A quick note for now before I go eat dinner: The guys over at Shipbucket are going to be very annoyed that you're using their drawings without crediting the original artist(s). The pictures representing your Bahuviris I & II, and refitted Ohio and Typhoon class subs, are originally made by Shipbucket artists and I suggest that you either remove them or credit those artists who made them. Shipbucket people get very unhappy when people steal their work.

I would credit them, but I don't know their names so I just put Shipbucket. If you know who made them, please tell me so I can properly credit them.
Birkaine
18-01-2009, 01:51
The NS Draftroom is based upon reality and feasibility, this is why many dislike it. We'd take a look at submarine carriers and chuckle, as they are simply not feasible or efficient. Really, a lot of these designs aren't that feasible.
I just learned to dislike it in the time it took me to read the above quote. With airborne aircraft carriers on the market with a mile in wingspan and entire armies that dwarf the whole US armed forces at less than a trillion dollars, am I expected to give two F's about what people on NS draftroom think? It's like.... do I care? Problem with what I've seen so far in the market of original weaponry is that people [I know] think the weapons are boring, and by God I agree with them. I just wanted to make something colorful if that's much of a crime.
Hell just look at NS, it never says it's meant to be 100% realistic and serious (it looks like the oposite to me). So please use some of that nice suspension of disbelief that gave us enjoyment to games like Ace Combat and Armored Core, or even Command and Conquer.

Also, limited space onboard reduces the number of missions that can be launched to a very low number, restricts the maintenance that may be done, and limits air wing size.
I don't recall that sub being supposed to be a Nimitz when it comes to air wing size. It's just a very diminute carrier that has the goodie of being submersible. Hell you'd probably be complaining a lot more if I actually gave it the mission capacity of a Nimitz.


http://i139.photobucket.com/albums/q310/lincer556/RESULT.jpg
First off, this is a VERY slow submarine to be called "Fast Attack." Alfas managed 45 knots submerged.
you do have a point there. I mainly based it off of the Type 212. I might make it faster.

Also, that 'fast attack' submarine shouldn't look like a Corvette Stingray, and should be a lot faster.
I based it off the designs of Neucom Inc. from Ace Combat 3 such as this http://i303.photobucket.com/albums/nn139/JianDaoXiao/NeucomSubmarine.png. If you like it then very well. If you don't, then it's about the same thing for me.
Vihenia
18-01-2009, 04:46
The NS Draftroom is based upon reality and feasibility, this is why many dislike it. We'd take a look at submarine carriers and chuckle, as they are simply not feasible or efficient. Really, a lot of these designs aren't that feasible.
Case in point
http://i139.photobucket.com/albums/q310/lincer556/RESULT.jpg
First off, this is a VERY slow submarine to be called "Fast Attack." Alfas managed 45 knots submerged.

Secondly, I want you to take a look at the bow. It very much resembles the nose found here on the F-4 Phantom
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/91/020906-f-9999r-019.jpg
Submarines are dominated by laminar flow, which occurs at lower Reynolds Numbers. Also, water doesn't compress, and it's VERY viscous. As such, they are designed with hemispherical bows and slowly tapering hulls, or at least they should be (in real US sub design, a bow and stern are designed, and varying center tubes are connected to various modifications of the bow and stern) The hemisphere is important, it is the lowest drag shape in vicious, incompressible flow, as it maintains laminar flow longest.
http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/russia/images/705-line.gif
This is an image of the fastest military submarine ever created. There it is. One of the most ideal shapes for speed. Due to the way water works, that is infinitely more hydrodynamic than the drawing posted for the submarine, due to the way water is incompressible. Air can absorb excessive compression quite easily, water can't. Air can bend around curves, water doesn't like to. (Transoms are another story and function off sucking water along with the boat)

Also, VLS torpedoes are sketch, and will be just as loud as regular ones.

With the carriers, I wonder how effective pressurization is maintained in such an odd shape, as well as flight deck rigidity at diving depth. Plus there are issues with maintaining the seals around the elevators, and problems with launching and recovering planes at any sea state not calmer than a glass of water. (wet flight decks KILL) Then there are the large hull voids to handle the aircraft with minimal hull support. This will force the subs to a shallow depth, easily spotted by orbital assets. Also, limited space onboard reduces the number of missions that can be launched to a very low number, restricts the maintenance that may be done, and limits air wing size. Oh, and then there's the whole bit about landing and about how the radar is so low to the water as to provide minimal help.


I don't want to be an asshole, I'm just pointing out that submersible carriers are very limited in the "Modern" realm. Also, that 'fast attack' submarine shouldn't look like a Corvette Stingray, and should be a lot faster.


well as for me I'd like to say "Just let the imagination flows as wind" he'll eventually learn what's the "right things"

as for the Alfa Class... well you're already pointed that it's the fastest sub in the world in 44,7 Knot..not 45 unless it's simplified, however in what costs ?
-Titanium Hull, Very difficult to machine and very expensive
-Liquid Metal Reactor, difficult to handle and in some case, impossible to refuel so you'll have to replace it, Russians planned to use "disposable" type reactor for that sub
-for sure It's noisy
-Hull features damages when such speed is achieved

so it's just one kind, although yes it's very hydrodynamic , this design traits make it's way to Viktor Class Submarine.

however in Russian tactics..all of those advantages have no value because the sub must approach weapon delivery range silently, launching missiles (P-70 Ametist) and then performing evasive maneuvers at maximum speed acheivable


I see no problem to VLS torpedoes, especially when it's packed in a manner of 91RE1 KLUB

designing something it's basically a tradeoff.. you could gain something but will likely sacrifice another thing


as for the Submersible Carrier, especially for aircraft retrieval , how about if we use Gyroscopic system in a manner of Russian's first Ballistic Missile Submarine to stabilize hull, finding the right moment to land , i see the problems you pointed out is just about the same as what being faced by Russian engineers in 1950's, on how to launch Sea Based Scud's in sea with good precisions.

and with limited space and missions..well it's depend on the storyline and their role , it can be deployed as a covert ops feature, lauching Elite forces and if possible support them from air, either from JSF or Gunships or the "carrier" may remain submerged and provide air supports via Cormorant UCAV

C'mon we need new ideas to flow everytime, instead of pointing " it's not possible in our modern day" how about if we say "what we can do to make it possible"
now i'm asking you a question, How Apollo mission reach moon in 1969 with 32k memory in his computer while in reality 256k memory Computer in that age is as large as a room and there are no computer chips as we have today

i myself design aircrafts and everyday i beat my head against wall in finding a RADAR absorbent Material that have capable electromagnetic properties to handle Radiation induced by Metric Wave Band RADAR , my community worsened it as they always want a detail on my work.

is NS Draftroom really need my RCS measurements ?
is NS Draftroom really need my Aircraft's Empty weight, so they could measure Inverse load factor and Growth potentials ?
i can't provide my aircraft's empty weight but i may provide some others
is NS Draftroom really need my aircraft's RADAR Specifications ?
i have them set up and ready to be presented
is NS draftroom really need to know what kind of Antenna and Receiver my aircraft would use ?

well i could make a full list of those, you could add some if you wish

oh and glad to see that My Krasnodar Class is able to adopt R-36 :D
Otagia
18-01-2009, 05:03
Hell just look at NS, it never says it's meant to be 100% realistic and serious (it looks like the oposite to me). So please use some of that nice suspension of disbelief that gave us enjoyment to games like Ace Combat and Armored Core, or even Command and Conquer.
Go ahead and do so. The Draftroom doesn't give a crap about how you RP, or whether or not you have an army of flying fruit fuckers with lasers for eyes. Just don't go whining that people don't recognize you as MT when you're obviously not.
Izistan
18-01-2009, 05:10
How Apollo mission reach moon in 1969 with 32k memory in his computer while in reality 256k memory Computer in that age is as large as a room and there are no computer chips as we have today

then who was slide rule???

Birkaine, I totally get where you're coming from. Just...make sure they got AAW escorts...
Birkaine
18-01-2009, 05:11
AAW?

@Otagia: I don't think I'm missing a lot judging by the way you presented yourself ;)
Leistung
18-01-2009, 05:14
A quick note for now before I go eat dinner: The guys over at Shipbucket are going to be very annoyed that you're using their drawings without crediting the original artist(s). The pictures representing your Bahuviris I & II, and refitted Ohio and Typhoon class subs, are originally made by Shipbucket artists and I suggest that you either remove them or credit those artists who made them. Shipbucket people get very unhappy when people steal their work.

I was about to say the exact same thing. Ironically the Ohio refit was drawn by North-Point because of an idea we were throwing around.

While I too use shipbucket pictures, I cite them correctly and have the assurance of North-Point (aka Colosseum) that it's alright.
Birkaine
18-01-2009, 05:20
Oh well Thanks God for a bit of constructive information. Do you know who did the other two images?
Otagia
18-01-2009, 05:21
@Otagia: I don't think I'm missing a lot judging by the way you presented yourself Meh. I'm just not a fan of people in fursuits flying about in helimajets the size of Busch Stadium whilst dodging gravitic distortion beams over Europe (and I only wish that mine eyes had not been defiled by such before) claiming to be MT. Take from that what you will.

Your stuff, on the other hand, seems pretty decent. Not going to comment on the actual utility of a submarine carrier, but it would actually be buildable at least. Little bit of work on your definition of "fast attack" too, but hey, small things. At least you're not trying to make them fly too (GET TO DA SUBMACOPTA!).
Vihenia
18-01-2009, 05:21
then who was slide rule???

...


sorry if you feel it's a "slide rule" it's just an illustrations :D
Birkaine
18-01-2009, 05:24
Meh. I'm just not a fan of people in fursuits flying about in helimajets the size of Busch Stadium whilst dodging gravitic distortion beams over Europe (and I only wish that mine eyes had not been defiled by such before) claiming to be MT. Take from that what you will.

Your stuff, on the other hand, seems pretty decent. Not going to comment on the actual utility of a submarine carrier, but it would actually be buildable at least. Little bit of work on your definition of "fast attack" too, but hey, small things. At least you're not trying to make them fly too (GET TO DA SUBMACOPTA!).

Well, I apologize for my rather harsh answer then. I do not claim to be MT nor I would, whatever the hell does that mean, although it appears related to RP.

As for the speed of the Hydrurga, it has been raised now. My mistake, really. I based the stats off of a sub that wasn't a fast attack.
Defense Corporations
18-01-2009, 05:28
OOC: MT = modern tech. What exists right now, or is feasible within a short period of time (e.g. ETC tank guns, modest improvements on current weapons, stuff like that).
PMT = post-modern tech. What may exist in the near future, i.e. within ~50 years (early lasers, mass cloning, extensive use of nanotech, stuff like that).
Belkaland
18-01-2009, 05:31
Just don't go whining that people don't recognize you as MT when you're obviously not.


It's meant to be more of PMT. I've asked Birkaine to edit the title to help clear things up.
Birkaine
18-01-2009, 05:34
Ok, ok. If I knew that three letters would have been enough to fend off the hailstorm of hate, I would have put it from the beggining. Edited.
Otagia
18-01-2009, 05:36
OOC: MT = modern tech. What exists right now, or is feasible within a short period of time (e.g. ETC tank guns, modest improvements on current weapons, stuff like that).
PMT = post-modern tech. What may exist in the near future, i.e. within ~50 years (early lasers, mass cloning, extensive use of nanotech, stuff like that).

Well, technically MT would encompass early lasers, considering that THEL is already pretty much fieldable, and even the YAL-1 is coming along nicely. Wouldn't really count cloning (well, "forced growth" cloning, at least) as PMT, and nanotech is a wee bit iffy as well, given its general limitations. I generally like to think of it as "widely fielded laser CIWS, workable power armor, fusion power, and we're all still using projectile weapons for most everything." Shadowrun is my typical milestone for PMT (sans the elfses, of course), and a lot of the concepts from the Greg Mandel trilogy make for good inspiration as well (that and Neuromancer, Diamond Age, Snowcrash, etc.).
Birkaine
18-01-2009, 05:40
Well, we don't fall in that gategory either. We're kind of crammed between the two.
ChevyRocks
18-01-2009, 06:30
Oh well Thanks God for a bit of constructive information. Do you know who did the other two images?

Your Bahuvris class boats are a drawing originally by Mezinov:

http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k279/shipbucket/Alternate%20Universe/USASSCVNNewHampshire1AU.gif?t=1232256332

As mentioned the Ohio class conversion was originally done by Colosseum:

http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k279/shipbucket/Alternate%20Universe/USASSBNOhio_VTOL1AU.gif?t=1232256412

And the converted Typhoon class was done by Mezinov and Wakazashi:

http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k279/shipbucket/Alternate%20Universe/RSSCVN951Typhoon_Dravec1AU.gif

So long as you give the artists the proper credit, the Shipbucket guys won't have to come down on you like a ton of bricks. I do know a bit about their attitudes towards other people using their work; I'm a member of the Shipbucket forum.
Belkaland
18-01-2009, 06:35
Your Bahuvris class boats are a drawing originally by Mezinov:

http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k279/shipbucket/Alternate%20Universe/USASSCVNNewHampshire1AU.gif?t=1232256332

As mentioned the Ohio class conversion was originally done by Colosseum:

http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k279/shipbucket/Alternate%20Universe/USASSBNOhio_VTOL1AU.gif?t=1232256412

And the converted Typhoon class was done by Mezinov and Wakazashi:

http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k279/shipbucket/Alternate%20Universe/RSSCVN951Typhoon_Dravec1AU.gif

So long as you give the artists the proper credit, the Shipbucket guys won't have to come down on you like a ton of bricks. I do know a bit about their attitudes towards other people using their work; I'm a member of the Shipbucket forum.


Thanks for that. The credits will be updated soon.
Birkaine
18-01-2009, 06:37
Accreditation updated. FQ-7 Shredder is now up for purchase.
Allanea
18-01-2009, 06:43
Message from Alexander Kirillovich Kazansk, President of the United States

I require the following equipment:

1 Vindictive-class submarine SSCVN
1 Hydrurga-class fast-attack submarine.

5 billion dollars will be wired upon confirmation.
Birkaine
18-01-2009, 06:49
Your order for a single Vindictive-class submersive aircraft carrier and a Hydrurga-class fast attack submarine has been confirmed. The ships are now in the process of being built in the Ferrograd shipyards and both ships should be complete within 3 NS years.

Please wire the payment of 5 billion USD to HYPERSPHERE TECHNOLOGIES LTD. We thank you for your purchase and hope you find the performance of these vessels satisfactory.
Belkaland
19-01-2009, 00:26
bump
Blackhelm Confederacy
19-01-2009, 02:59
The Confederate Navy has noted its severe lack of carriers, and has turned here to correct that issue. As a result, we have decided to contract you to produce us ten Vindictive Class vessels for our use. We have acquisitioned the necessary amount of cash, and eagerly await your reply.
Belkaland
19-01-2009, 03:29
Thank you for ordering 10 Vindictive-Class SSCVN. Hypersphere LTD approves your order and all 10 Vindictive-Class SSCVN shall be delivered in 15 NSYears, 1 every 1.5 NSyears. The total for your order comes up to $45Bil USD, please wire the payment to HYPERSPHERE TECHNOLOGIES LTD.

We hope you find the Vindictive-Class SSCVN to fulfill your needs and remember: Choose Defense, Choose Hypersphere.
http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/ll31/DemonLordRazgriz/Belkaland%20military/N-sphere.jpg
Blackhelm Confederacy
19-01-2009, 03:34
The money has been wired, thank you.
Birkaine
19-01-2009, 06:18
M8-series is now available for purchase.
Belkaland
19-01-2009, 20:48
bump
Belkaland
20-01-2009, 14:15
bump
Belkaland
21-01-2009, 05:28
bump
Belkaland
22-01-2009, 01:32
bump
Belkaland
22-01-2009, 23:42
bump
Blackhelm Confederacy
22-01-2009, 23:55
Do you by any chance do customized work?
Belkaland
23-01-2009, 18:00
What do you mean?
Birkaine
24-01-2009, 04:37
Dinsmark-class SSK is now available for purchase
Belkaland
25-01-2009, 03:39
bump
Techno-Soviet
28-02-2009, 19:26
http://img3.imageshack.us/img3/9349/ussr.gif

The United Socialist States of the Techno-Soviet
The Technocratic Council

We'd like to acquire the following:

- 4 Bahuviris II-class SSCVNs

- 6 Kransodar-class SSBNs (Full package)

- 5,000 FQ-7 UCAVs (Full package)

Combined Total: $306,600,000,000
Birkaine
01-03-2009, 05:32
Your oder has been confirmed, the aircraft and vessels will be shipped to your country. We hope you find them effective in the battlefield, contact us in case of any imperfection.
Allanea
01-04-2009, 16:24
Official Message from the Confederacy of Sovereign States

We require the following items:

100x Buviris II submersible aircraft carriers, painted orange.
10x Vindictive-class submersible aircraft carriers, painted orange
10x Krasnodar SSBNs with full payload and SLUCAVs, painted orange
100x Hydrurga SSks, painted black

666 billion dollars will be paid for your wonderful products
The Emmerian Unions
01-04-2009, 21:26
<<OOC: Allanea, this partuicular storefront has been closed down in favor of the new one. The new storefront can be found here: Hypersphere Technologies Ltd. Storefront Ver. 2.0.0(PMT) (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=586177) >>
Belkaland
02-04-2009, 04:16
I'll just copypaste your order over to the new storefront, ok?