NationStates Jolt Archive


ODECON-IFA War (OOC)

Leistung
01-12-2008, 02:53
This is the OOC thread for IFA's invasion of Zinaire and me. And yes, that is proper English.

Put ORBATs, maps, and comments here.
Ralkovia
01-12-2008, 02:56
mapzors
Anagonia
01-12-2008, 02:58
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v622/Drakomis/Pictures%20drawn%20for%20me%20by%20other%20people/FINISHED-1.png

Fleets that will be loaned
FLEET ONE
x1 XCV-1 Anagonia Class Carrier
x4 BB-61 Modified Iowa-Class Battleships,
x10 CG-47 TICONDEROGA-class AEGIS Cruisers
x5 DD-963 SPRUANCE-class
x5 DDG-51 ARLEIGH BURKE-class guided missile AEGIS destroyers
x5 DDG-993 KIDD-class Destroyers
x5 FFG-7 OLIVER HAZARD PERRY-class Frigates for basic defense

x8 Project 971 Shuka-B Akula Class Attack Submarine's,
x5 SSN-21 Seawolf-class Attack Submarines,
x6 SSN-688 Los Angeles Class Cruise Missile Submarines for land bombardment and Covert operations.

FLEET TWO
x1 XCV-1 Anagonia Class Carrier
x4 BB-61 Modified Iowa-Class Battleships,
x10 CG-47 TICONDEROGA-class AEGIS Cruisers
x5 DD-963 SPRUANCE-class
x5 DDG-51 ARLEIGH BURKE-class guided missile AEGIS destroyers
x5 DDG-993 KIDD-class Destroyers
x5 FFG-7 OLIVER HAZARD PERRY-class Frigates for basic defense

x8 Project 971 Shuka-B Akula Class Attack Submarine's,
x5 SSN-21 Seawolf-class Attack Submarines,
x6 SSN-688 Los Angeles Class Cruise Missile Submarines for land bombardment and Covert operations.

FLEET THREE
x1 XCV-1 Anagonia Class Carrier
x4 BB-61 Modified Iowa-Class Battleships,
x10 CG-47 TICONDEROGA-class AEGIS Cruisers
x5 DD-963 SPRUANCE-class
x5 DDG-51 ARLEIGH BURKE-class guided missile AEGIS destroyers
x5 DDG-993 KIDD-class Destroyers
x5 FFG-7 OLIVER HAZARD PERRY-class Frigates for basic defense

x8 Project 971 Shuka-B Akula Class Attack Submarine's,
x5 SSN-21 Seawolf-class Attack Submarines,
x6 SSN-688 Los Angeles Class Cruise Missile Submarines for land bombardment and Covert operations.

FLEET FOUR
x10 BB-61 Modified Iowa-Class Battleships,
x10 CG-47 TICONDEROGA-class AEGIS Cruisers
x8 DD-963 SPRUANCE-class
x15 DDG-51 ARLEIGH BURKE-class guided missile AEGIS destroyers
x8 DDG-993 KIDD-class Destroyers
x10 FFG-7 OLIVER HAZARD PERRY-class Frigates for basic defense

x8 Project 971 Shuka-B Akula Class Attack Submarine's,
x4 SSN-21 Seawolf-class Attack Submarines,

Additional Fleets
Classified, but per regulations

Divisions being Loaned
(First Ground Division)
x8,000,000 Anagonian Defense Forces
x500,000 Anagonian Special Forces
x2,000,000 Anagonian Marines
-Troop Support-
1500x M2A3 Bradley Fighting Vehicle
(Second Ground Division)
x8,000,000 Anagonian Defense Forces
x500,000 Anagonian Special Forces
x2,000,000 Anagonian Marines
-Troop Support-
1500x M2A3 Bradley Fighting Vehicle
(Third Ground Division)
x8,000,000 Anagonian Defense Forces
x500,000 Anagonian Special Forces
x2,000,000 Anagonian Marines
-Troop Support-
1500x M2A3 Bradley Fighting Vehicle
(Fourth Ground Division)
x8,000,000 Anagonian Defense Forces
x500,000 Anagonian Special Forces
x2,000,000 Anagonian Marines
-Troop Support-
1500x M2A3 Bradley Fighting Vehicle

Additional Divisions and Ground Units
Classified, but per regulations

AIR UNITS
Classified, but per regulations

BASES BEING USED
Military Base in Greal, United Human Countries, Rafaellun, Imbrinium, Chemelnki, AHSCA, Prycuse, Avalic, Vanteland, Orbath, Throppe, and Imperianne

That is all, until updated.
Leistung
01-12-2008, 02:59
Damn you and your kickass map...

On a non-map note, NO PUPPETS WHATSOEVER
Zinaire
01-12-2008, 02:59
I don't have a bloody map because someone jumped me before I had a chance to finish working out the new geography.
Stoklomolvi
01-12-2008, 02:59
http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/dd188/NS_Crossbowman/Earth%20A045/regionmap.png

Reserved for Stoklomolvi ORBAT.
New Kereptica
01-12-2008, 03:01
http://i376.photobucket.com/albums/oo205/new-kereptica/New%20Kereptica/th_RLkereptica.png (http://s376.photobucket.com/albums/oo205/new-kereptica/New%20Kereptica/?action=view&current=RLkereptica.png)
I RP as in the area of Denmark, except without Sweden so goddamn close! :p
Image credit for this map goes to the guys over are wikipedia. It's edited a little bit, but it's still their image.

http://i376.photobucket.com/albums/oo205/new-kereptica/New%20Kereptica/th_kerepticaelevation.png (http://s376.photobucket.com/albums/oo205/new-kereptica/New%20Kereptica/?action=view&current=kerepticaelevation.png)
An elevation map. Pretty self explanatory. This map and all others are to the same scale. That is, the one in the map directly below.

http://i376.photobucket.com/albums/oo205/new-kereptica/New%20Kereptica/th_kereptica.gif (http://s376.photobucket.com/albums/oo205/new-kereptica/New%20Kereptica/?action=view&current=kereptica.gif)
A political map detailing the extent of the Allied States, as well as major cities. The scale used in this map is the one used for all the ones that follow this template.

http://i376.photobucket.com/albums/oo205/new-kereptica/New%20Kereptica/th_kereptica_states.gif (http://s376.photobucket.com/albums/oo205/new-kereptica/New%20Kereptica/?action=view&current=kereptica_states.gif)
These are the major political divisions in the Allied States. There are three states, as shown on the map. They have some political control, a little less then the RL US states.

Maps so far. Ask if you guys need anything.
P.S., they're thumbnails.
Imperial isa
01-12-2008, 03:02
you got to be joking ,Now they going after you two
New Kereptica
01-12-2008, 03:04
OOC: Nope. IFA is attacking ODECON without any provocation whatsoever.
Imperial isa
01-12-2008, 03:09
any of them got brains to know that just dumb
Leistung
01-12-2008, 03:11
any of them got brains to know that just dumb

Apparently not. For the future, civility would be nice.
Heirosoloa
01-12-2008, 03:13
[OoC; I'm betting with ODECON. If ODECON is obviously losing I think I'll just cry for the lack of reasonable wars. Good luck Zinaire. Good luck Leistung. Heirosoloa, no matter how small it is supports you. May your fishing forever be peaceful, and the Light always shine on your pond :D]
Sur Abruzzi
01-12-2008, 03:14
Reserved for my stuff

(OOC: Kind of an issue- My map is NOWHERE close to being done yet. I just got my Factbook and Military Breakdown finished, and that was in the works for three months due to college classes. I haven't even posted them yet. What should I do about the map part?)
Santheres
01-12-2008, 03:17
Do you at least have something? I mean, odds are it won't come into play and certainly not yet since you're not one of the ones being invaded.
Sur Abruzzi
01-12-2008, 03:21
Yes, I have something. It is rough, but is something. I will get that up just in-case.
Lord Sumguy
01-12-2008, 03:23
I am afraid I have no map atm, ill see if i can cook one up in the next couple'a days.
Leistung
01-12-2008, 03:31
RT, you have more combat troops than logistics. Are your forces planning on fighting with rocks and then starving to death moments later?
Leistung
01-12-2008, 03:53
http://img367.imageshack.us/img367/3612/maplbaseshp0.png

Alright, quick explanation:

Red square = Major city
Red diamond = Capital city
Green circle = Redoubt
Brown circle = Naval/Air base

The redoubts are basically mountain bases which function as supply centers and heavily-fortified fallback positions in case the nation comes under attack. They are epicenters for the massive tunnel/cavern network running under the mountains in Leistung, and connect to a variety of airstrips, bunkers, artillery/mortar pits, machine gun nests, and dug in tanks. A good deal of the mountains in Leistung have been essentially hollowed out to make room for firing positions, and from these redoubts, the army can defend the strategic mountain passes leading from city to city.
Lord Sumguy
01-12-2008, 04:40
Just whipped up a very rough map:

http://i97.photobucket.com/albums/l216/Sumutherguy/RoughMap2.jpg?t=1228102588
Ralkovia
01-12-2008, 04:41
(just so you know if haven wasn't involved lei and the death guard hadn't been disbanded. Your redoubts wouldn't stand for more than a few days

Death Guard: Tunnel Rats)
Ralkovia
01-12-2008, 04:43
(If we were going by actual population right now Ralkovia would only have a population of around 300 million. I just got done with a massive civil war in which ralkovia nuked itself
Santheres
01-12-2008, 04:45
What are you talking about? I mean, I know what you're talking about but the wording and context is confusing. If you had a civil war and were nuked, you still had a civil war and got nuked. You don't just magically spring back from nuclear devastation.
New Kereptica
01-12-2008, 04:46
Lord Sumguy, according to my calculations, its somewhere in the vicinity of 1,000 miles from Serenity Bluffs to the coast. Is this correct?
Ralkovia
01-12-2008, 04:50
Ralkovia does not rely on its mainland. Ralkovia is spread across the world as Ralkovia colonized it mainland. Now the civil war was contained inside the mainland. One side got nuclears weapons and dropped it in massive scale on the other sides. The other sides withered away. The Ralkovian mainland has about 10 million people living in it. Thats why I'm rping with minimal military infastructure. I called in wooden boats and ironclads back into service.
New Kereptica
01-12-2008, 04:52
So how many do you have after the civil war Ralk? 1.64 billion, 300 million, or 10 million?

This is all so damn confusing.
Ralkovia
01-12-2008, 04:53
300 million. I have 10 on my mainland. and the other 290 are spread around my many colonies.
The Blub Colony
01-12-2008, 04:54
Just out of curiousity and potentially joining the war... does anyone in ODECON object to my joining the RP? I realize some people have expressed irritation over the Blubs being non-human.
Santheres
01-12-2008, 04:54
And where are your colonies and mainland, Ralk? We need a map from you, too.
Greal
01-12-2008, 04:56
I'm in this map.

http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i291/Macabees/GDmap.jpg

Only the city of compol is there. I haven't added any of my main cities.
Zinaire
01-12-2008, 04:59
Just out of curiousity and potentially joining the war... does anyone in ODECON object to my joining the RP? I realize some people have expressed irritation over the Blubs being non-human.

OOC: Meh, you seem to do it well, so I'm fine with it (as long as you're on my side :p).
The Blub Colony
01-12-2008, 05:00
OOC: Meh, you seem to do it well, so I'm fine with it (as long as you're on my side :p).

Moo. I'm not even sure which side you're on. :$
Ralkovia
01-12-2008, 05:02
http://s160.photobucket.com/albums/t180/arrondock/?action=view&current=Ralkoviamaps.png


The blob off the coast of south america is ralkovia
Red stands for ralkovia
Pinkish stands for disputed

Though if you want to make claims on the land your more than welcome, Ralkovia neither has the means to defend its territory nor the ability to really attack anyone unless an ironclad warship can sink a battleship
New Kereptica
01-12-2008, 05:03
Well then, you share a border with Zinaire... interesting.
Santheres
01-12-2008, 05:04
Ralk, what meaning do the pink and red regions have?

Blub, I have no problem if you want to aid ODECON. :D
The Blub Colony
01-12-2008, 05:07
Ralk, what meaning do the pink and red regions have?

Blub, I have no problem if you want to aid ODECON. :D

*Blub dance*
Ralkovia
01-12-2008, 05:08
Well Brazil was also mine but I was looking at Zinaires map and I said well this works out quite well.

Ralkovia doesn't have crap though. I'm getting scuttle fucked I know it already
Greal
01-12-2008, 05:09
Ok, EC's submarines would never reach my waters because they'll be "stopped" by anti-facist nations that border me. Just warning him.
Ralkovia
01-12-2008, 05:14
I'm probably going to lose bolivia, paraguay, and uruguay to zinaire
Lord Sumguy
01-12-2008, 05:17
Lord Sumguy, according to my calculations, its somewhere in the vicinity of 1,000 miles from Serenity Bluffs to the coast. Is this correct?

What? The whole yellow area is the Holy Empire of Lord Sumguy, Sumguaia is the capitol city and if that was what you were referring to then yes.
Ralkovia
01-12-2008, 05:29
Actually fuck this shit. 300 million gets me an army of 15 million. I need reinforcements. I automatically raise the dead with Raptor Jesus. I now have a population of 900 million
Stoklomolvi
01-12-2008, 05:31
For those of you too lazy to just visit my region and look for a map, I posted a link. Here it is again.

http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/dd188/NS_Crossbowman/Earth%20A045/regionmap.png

Ralk, if you do that, then you will be considered fail.
New Kereptica
01-12-2008, 05:31
What? The whole yellow area is the Holy Empire of Lord Sumguy, Sumguaia is the capitol city and if that was what you were referring to then yes.

I realize that. The way I calculated it was I established a rough circle with a center a little to the southeast of Serenity Bluffs. From that point to the coast was the radius, and was about 1,140 miles. I adjusted it for the fact that the total area of Lord Sumguy is less then that of the imaginary circle, and again for the fact the Serenity Bluffs is farther from the coast then the center of the circle. This value came out to about 1,000 miles.

I just wanted to establish a rough scale. :D

Also, which color are you Stok?
Lord Sumguy
01-12-2008, 05:38
Actually fuck this shit. 300 million gets me an army of 15 million. I need reinforcements. I automatically raise the dead with Raptor Jesus. I now have a population of 900 million

1% is the generally accepted maximum in peacetime for the size of your military if you dont want your economy to go down the tubes. 5% is possible in total war mode for short periods, but is not sustainable.
and NK, alright, i understand what you are saying now.
Ralkovia
01-12-2008, 05:41
Well it was my nuclear war, nobody else was involved so I think I could edit the results a bit. Plus its 4 people vs. like 40 so I think I should get some leeway and Alaska's mine. Been mine forever.

We like Palin!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Lord Sumguy
01-12-2008, 05:43
Well it was my nuclear war, nobody else was involved so I think I could edit the results a bit. Plus its 4 people vs. like 40 so I think I should get some leeway and Alaska's mine. Been mine forever.

We like Palin!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

do you know how many nations claim italy (and a pope) on NS? RL parallels dont matter with relative location to one another, regions do.
The Blub Colony
01-12-2008, 05:43
This is pretty confusing. So far, who is on each side? Anyone care to make a list?
Ralkovia
01-12-2008, 05:45
We like Palin Yes we do.
(Not just because of palin)

I like alaska.

Me, Rykaria, GWO, and East vs. everybody else
Santheres
01-12-2008, 05:52
Well it was my nuclear war, nobody else was involved so I think I could edit the results a bit. Plus its 4 people vs. like 40 so I think I should get some leeway and Alaska's mine. Been mine forever.

We like Palin!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

None of this is anyone else's fault. You wanted war, you're getting war -- your history is already set, so set it is, with you coming out of a civil nuclear war.
The Blub Colony
01-12-2008, 05:57
None of this is anyone else's fault. You wanted war, you're getting war -- your history is already set, so set it is, with you coming out of a civil nuclear war.

So true. Like how Hataria used to come back at full strength everytime he'd get nuked or bombed into oblivion. Pretty annoying.
Ralkovia
01-12-2008, 06:01
not really
I have raptor jesus on my side
Plus I never wrote anywhere that nukes went off. Nothing is set in stone.
The Blub Colony
01-12-2008, 06:08
So basicly you have the power of "ignore past RP and cheat" ?
Zinaire
01-12-2008, 06:12
not really
I have raptor jesus on my side
Plus I never wrote anywhere that nukes went off. Nothing is set in stone.

It is kind of sad when you can't even maintain continuity with history that you made up yourself.
Ralkovia
01-12-2008, 06:13
I never rpied nukes going off. The thread never finished but the person who plays it with me left and doesn't want to rp. So I it never ended. So I ended it by just going whatever, so yeah I win. Plus what the hell do you really have to complain about its 4 people vs. like 16. We need every person we can get
Greal
01-12-2008, 06:15
Then why are you invading us?
Zinaire
01-12-2008, 06:16
I never rpied nukes going off. The thread never finished but the person who plays it with me left and doesn't want to rp. So I it never ended. So I ended it by just going whatever, so yeah I win. Plus what the hell do you really have to complain about its 4 people vs. like 16. We need every person we can get

Seriously. You're starting an unprovoked war and now you realize that you have no chance of winning so you start cheating? Maybe in the future you shouldn't pick fights you can't win.
New Kereptica
01-12-2008, 06:17
Then why are you invading us?

Indeed. This is a purely defensive war on our part.
Ralkovia
01-12-2008, 06:18
(I never started anything, I've been against the war so I could regroup my strength.

Plus the revolution if we follow NS years is like 10 years)
New Kereptica
01-12-2008, 06:19
Then don't fight. No alliance is worth the price of you're nation's livelihood.
Zinaire
01-12-2008, 06:20
(I never started anything, I've been against the war so I could regroup my strength.

Plus the revolution if we follow NS years is like 10 years)

If you were against it, you shouldn't be contributing troops.
Santheres
01-12-2008, 06:21
You started the war. Not us. You could have left the IFA if you disagreed.

That's all there really is to say.
Greal
01-12-2008, 06:21
Then don't fight us. Plain and simple.
Ralkovia
01-12-2008, 06:25
Not an option
Ralkovia
01-12-2008, 06:26
Anyway just be glad I'm not a total bitch and revived all my people. 900 million is still a good number
The Blub Colony
01-12-2008, 06:26
(I never started anything, I've been against the war so I could regroup my strength.

Plus the revolution if we follow NS years is like 10 years)

And when you get invaded and occupied, you'll ignore that too and declare it invalid.

And then in another month when you get destroyed again, you'll declare it invalid.

Cheaters never change.
Zinaire
01-12-2008, 06:27
Anyway just be glad I'm not a total bitch and revived all my people. 900 million is still a good number

Thank you for only partially cheating, it's appreciated.
Greal
01-12-2008, 06:29
900 million is still a good number

Yes, I'm happy that you cheated very little.
Ralkovia
01-12-2008, 06:29
uh huh. I cheat how now?
No one ever made a post about me being nuked, me being nuked never happened. I just said at this moment in this thread I had a population of like 300 million. I never said I had a population of 300 million. SO in your face. I never gave an accurate number. And why the hell should you even care you guys outnumber us either which way and I think it would be dissappointing for all of you if we pulled out right now.
New Kereptica
01-12-2008, 06:32
No. We would be just fine and dandy if we didn't have to fight a war with you and your compatriots.

Also, "like" does not mean a variance of 600 million. Don't try to argue semantics. It won't work.
Zinaire
01-12-2008, 06:33
uh huh. I cheat how now?
No one ever made a post about me being nuked, me being nuked never happened. I just said at this moment in this thread I had a population of like 300 million. I never said I had a population of 300 million. SO in your face. I never gave an accurate number. And why the hell should you even care you guys outnumber us either which way and I think it would be dissappointing for all of you if we pulled out right now.

Please, don't spare our feelings. Pull out if you want.
Santheres
01-12-2008, 06:35
uh huh. I cheat how now?
No one ever made a post about me being nuked, me being nuked never happened. I just said at this moment in this thread I had a population of like 300 million. I never said I had a population of 300 million. SO in your face. I never gave an accurate number. And why the hell should you even care you guys outnumber us either which way and I think it would be dissappointing for all of you if we pulled out right now.

You've been going around for months now saying that you've had a civil war that turned nuclear and killed most of your population. You have, in fact, said it. You had an entire damn slavery thread that required the war to happen and for genocide to occur. And you did say you had a population of 300 million by telling us that, which you just said in the sentence preceding you saying you never said it. "Like 300 million" means "300 million, give or take" and "give or take" does not mean "give or take 600 million".

But if this is how it's going to be, if ODECON doesn't decide to ignore you, then we'll probably end up with your country to rebuild, anyway.
Ralkovia
01-12-2008, 06:36
I already talked to sumguy, he showed clear desire for war. Just because you guys don't initiate the attack doesn't mean you don't get a spot in the lime light. If you guys can find any other mention except in this thread and on NS in the past 3 days of me saying I had a population of 300 million, I will go and stick to a population of 300 million. If you cannot then well we go with 900 million.

If you guys are so petrified about me getting 30 million more troops(which is pushing it since most of those will be rebuilding ralkovia) then I don't know how the fuck you guys rp. Now Good Night I have a test in the morning.
Santheres
01-12-2008, 06:38
Don't mistake fear for frustration at you cheating.
Ralkovia
01-12-2008, 06:39
By the way I increased my population solely on the reason that blub joined.
Greal
01-12-2008, 06:39
I think it would be dissappointing for all of you if we pulled out right now.

Not really.
Zinaire
01-12-2008, 06:41
By the way I increased my population solely on the reason that blub joined.

So, as long as you're the underdog, you can cheat?
Ralkovia
01-12-2008, 06:43
well complain to lordsumguy, you guys were all thrilled and excited when he said ralkovia wanted to attack. Now that I increase my population to supplement you getting a new ally. You guys all start going OH NOES!!!!!!!!!! HE REVIVES THE DEAD!!!!
Santheres
01-12-2008, 06:43
So, if someone else joins, you'll move it on up to the full number?

Edit: because you're cheating and generally being an asshole right now, honestly, not because we're scared, or we don't think we can handle it.
Ralkovia
01-12-2008, 06:45
The there should be nothing wrong, We need to edit the conditions, if you guys are going to bitch about me getting an increase of 12 million troops I don't know what the fuck your going to do when another country joins on our side.
The Blub Colony
01-12-2008, 06:45
If you're so worried about getting beat in a war, then don't join. Cheating to help even the odds won't help.

And seriously, you think you can support 30 million troops on foreign soil? With WHAT? You have no posted ORBAT, you have no posted assets.

So you'll cheat and invent a population, and you'll cheat and invent a military as well?

Classy.
New Kereptica
01-12-2008, 06:45
We only care about your increased population because you are blatantly cheating.

Most people don't like that.

As you have said, we have 20 nations against your four. Even if your entire 30 million were those death guards you say so much about, you would be destroyed beyond recognition.
Ralkovia
01-12-2008, 06:45
I never cheated
Ralkovia
01-12-2008, 06:46
Death Guard were disbanded
Ralkovia
01-12-2008, 06:47
I have full capabilities, I was never nuked, no nukes ever went off. I was rping like they did so I could satisfy IFA with some bullshit ships and still maintain membership. Now for the love of Raptor fucking jesus will you stop.
Zinaire
01-12-2008, 06:48
You guys have been cheating almost nonstop and justifying it with our superior numbers. EC and I explicitly agreed ahead of time that IF this war was to ahead (I told him that I wasn't sure yet and that he should wait for my permission. He didn't.) the targets would only be Central America. Now he has ships off Brazil and justified it with "well, now all of ODECON has joined" (which, of course, I told him would happen).
New Kereptica
01-12-2008, 06:50
Whatever. I'm done with this until the morning.

EDIT: Speaking to Ralk. Zin, as you were.
Ralkovia
01-12-2008, 06:51
Good night, me too
Ralkovia
01-12-2008, 06:53
You guys have been cheating almost nonstop and justifying it with our superior numbers. EC and I explicitly agreed ahead of time that IF this war was to ahead (I told him that I wasn't sure yet and that he should wait for my permission. He didn't.) the targets would only be Central America. Now he has ships off Brazil and justified it with "well, now all of ODECON has joined" (which, of course, I told him would happen).

Well with East he has a bit of a napoleon complex. His MSN motto should be "Expanding is good"
The Blub Colony
01-12-2008, 06:57
*twitches* Y'know, ODECON could probably back off and let Blubland handle this crap. Never had a problem taking down shifty alliances in the past.
Greal
01-12-2008, 07:00
I'll be off soon. ORBAT coming tomorrow if we're continuing despite your cheating. :rolleyes:
Ralkovia
01-12-2008, 07:01
Sure blub we'll do it

also ralkovia's official response to this situation
NSFW
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tnCk0uGwFZI&feature=related
The Blub Colony
01-12-2008, 07:11
Sure blub we'll do it

also ralkovia's official response to this situation
NSFW
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tnCk0uGwFZI&feature=related

Go to bed kid, before you dig yourself a deeper hole.
Rykarian Territories
01-12-2008, 07:30
Go to bed kid, before you dig yourself a deeper hole.

Big scary man, Oooh.
Stoklomolvi
01-12-2008, 08:00
About my map, I'm the big huge chunk of red in Asia and Alaska. Looks like quite a hissy fit was thrown during my short absence.
Greal
01-12-2008, 15:05
We are NOT in RL locations. Ziniarie is in the same region as I am. And that region is nowhere near RL world as far as I know.
Zinaire
01-12-2008, 15:46
We are NOT in RL locations. Ziniarie is in the same region as I am. And that region is nowhere near RL world as far as I know.

I haven't really officially move yet though.
Unkerlantum
01-12-2008, 17:57
Just thought I would add that I shall be sending forces against Ralkovia (and allies if need be) to establish a small Imperial Colony as well as implement a regime change in Ralkovia.
Fighter4u
01-12-2008, 17:58
OOC: I guess I be defending Ralkovia then, and hopefully noone will have a problem with me going NBC?
Unkerlantum
01-12-2008, 18:05
OOC: I guess I be defending Ralkovia then, and hopefully noone will have a problem with me going NBC?

You can go NBC against Unkerlantian troops if you want, however this will result in deployment of our space based weapons platforms against your major cities as well as the return use of NBC against your troops.

And Have fun defending Ralk I'll be going after his fring colonies first IE middle east, Madagascar.
Fighter4u
01-12-2008, 18:07
You can go NBC against Unkerlantian troops if you want, however this will result in deployment of our space based weapons platforms against your major cities as well as the return use of NBC against your troops

I got space based weapons also my friend :)

And I don't mind letting my nation get destroyed in return for a little fun,especially seeing that soon Midterms will rob me of doing anything anyway. So going out in a clud of murshroom fun seens great. :) Those I promise not to use them like their candy or anything but use them realtisc and propely.


Why thank you. I going see if we can set up a proper defense..

Ralkovia add me on msn ash_7_10@hotmail.com or something.
Zinaire
01-12-2008, 18:12
I got space based weapons also my friend :)

And I don't mind letting my nation get destroyed in return for a little fun,especially seeing that soon Midterms will rob me of doing anything anyway. So going out in a clud of murshroom fun seens great. :) Those I promise not to use them like their candy or anything but use them realtisc and propely.


Why thank you. I going see if we can set up a proper defense..

Ralkovia add me on msn ash_7_10@hotmail.com or something.

Ralk or GWO or someone specifically forbade the use of nuclear weapons and I share their opinion.

Furthermore, "back down or else we'll support you" has to be the lamest attempt to avoid conflict ever.
Brittanican Adenia
01-12-2008, 19:06
Well it was my nuclear war, nobody else was involved so I think I could edit the results a bit. Plus its 4 people vs. like 40 so I think I should get some leeway and Alaska's mine. Been mine forever.

We like Palin!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Woah, woah. Let me get this straight. You're declaring war on us, knowing what would happen, and yet suddenly we're the bad guys because you can't muster the men? That's like me declaring war on Gholgoth then bitching when they rape my nation.
Hryvatia
01-12-2008, 19:11
Who the hell is the IFA? This roleplay is doomed to disaster btw, but I'm sure many of you have realized that already...

[EDIT: Perhaps I should elaborate: There's too many folk for one theatre, it's all getting rather confusing. Certain person(s) are godmodding already and roleplaying solely on OOC circumstance, which is also considered terrible RP etiquette. Your maps and regions conflict with each other leading to a bit of confusion, and there already seems to be a deal of OOC hostility between players that 95% of the time destroys an RP, or at the best leads to retconning due to disagreements. Personally, I am guilty of several of these things in the past, and trust me, it's not the most fun way to spend your free NS time]
Brittanican Adenia
01-12-2008, 19:16
*twitches* Y'know, ODECON could probably back off and let Blubland handle this crap. Never had a problem taking down shifty alliances in the past.

XD Transy!
Brittanican Adenia
01-12-2008, 19:16
Who the hell is the IFA? This roleplay is doomed to disaster btw, but I'm sure many of you have realized that already...

International Fascist Alliance. And yeah, it's going that way. :tongue:
Sur Abruzzi
01-12-2008, 19:37
Who the hell is the IFA? This roleplay is doomed to disaster btw, but I'm sure many of you have realized that already...

[EDIT: Perhaps I should elaborate: There's too many folk for one theatre, it's all getting rather confusing. Certain person(s) are godmodding already and roleplaying solely on OOC circumstance, which is also considered terrible RP etiquette. Your maps and regions conflict with each other leading to a bit of confusion, and there already seems to be a deal of OOC hostility between players that 95% of the time destroys an RP, or at the best leads to retconning due to disagreements. Personally, I am guilty of several of these things in the past, and trust me, it's not the most fun way to spend your free NS time]

I can not agree more. This has been one giant mess since the start. The IFA declared war on Zinaire on faulty reasons, then went after Leistung and Greal out of the blue. East C. has been ADAMANT that we follow RL nation positions, which isn't even valid 99% of the time on II, and then he started telling Zinaire WHERE HIS BASES ARE. Ralkovia has been doing...well I can't describe it but it is insanely dumb. Meanwhile the rest of us in ODECON are trying to figure out what they heck is going on, or even half the time what the IFA is saying. If I wasn't biased towards some of the members who I hold in high regards I would rate this whole thing as one giant FAIL.
Santheres
01-12-2008, 19:41
I can not agree more. This has been one giant mess since the start. The IFA declared war on Zinaire on faulty reasons, then went after Leistung and Greal out of the blue. East C. has been ADAMANT that we follow RL nation positions, which isn't even valid 99% of the time on II, and then he started telling Zinaire WHERE HIS BASES ARE. Ralkovia has been doing...well I can't describe it but it is insanely dumb. Meanwhile the rest of us in ODECON are trying to figure out what they heck is going on, or even half the time what the IFA is saying. If I wasn't biased towards some of the members who I hold in high regards I would rate this whole thing as one giant FAIL.

I'd just go ahead and rate it. It's not the faults of the members you hold in high regards, yeah?
Sur Abruzzi
01-12-2008, 19:45
No, it's not the fault of anyone I hold in high regards, I just didn't want them to think I was blaming them. It is the fault of the IFA members in my estimation, although some of the tempers on our side flared WAY too highly for awhile, including my own.

But yes, this whole thing is an EPIC FAIL.
Hryvatia
01-12-2008, 19:48
Well then just ignore the IFA :S
Santheres
01-12-2008, 19:57
Some of us want to, but if ODECON as a whole doesn't, then we should probably be there to back them up still.a
The Blub Colony
01-12-2008, 20:03
xd transy!

Heh! <3

Oh yeah, and the promise to use WMDs before the RP even begins is pretty lame. I'd vote to ban the guy wanting to use them from the RP. And while we're at it, the cheater too. :D
Lord Sumguy
01-12-2008, 20:31
Lets all calm down, at the very least we should remain civil and polite to one another here, despite any IC and/or OOC differences/dislikes.
Fighter4u
01-12-2008, 20:44
Enough with the bitching already...

I defending a ally agaisnt impossible odds, who else would do that?

And seeing that we can't use nukes then I won't use them. It not like I was gonna n00kspam or something.

As for my attempt to talk Ralkovia out if the conflict I unlike say "ODECON" won't try to say what and what not someone can do. If he wants to go ahead with the war then I back him up. It call being a loyal ally. Its simply what you do and if you don't agree with me then keep it to yourself. Frankly you guys are being pretty arogant and "bitchy". Almost as those you guys think your better then us or something for being ODECON. Which is something nobody likes.


And sorry LS,I just had 2 get that off my chest.
Brittanican Adenia
01-12-2008, 20:49
Almost as those you guys think your better then us or something for being ODECON. Which is something nobody likes.

No, we don't. We think we're better than you for RPing properly.
Fighter4u
01-12-2008, 20:52
No, we don't. We think we're better than you for RPing properly.

Look,just because we don't spend time on all the funny games your dilopmats play and the fact where willing to play a good RP,even if most of our nation gets nuked in the process doesn't mean were bad Rpers. It justs means that we only like to RP the war aspect of the game thats all.
Brittanican Adenia
01-12-2008, 20:57
Look,just because we don't spend time on all the funny games your dilopmats play and the fact where willing to play a good RP,even if most of our nation gets nuked in the process doesn't mean were bad Rpers. It justs means that we only like to RP the war aspect of the game thats all.

A good RP is one where people don't just ramp up their population and write off a civil war because they're outnumbered, and actually have a casus belli when they're going to war.
Zinaire
01-12-2008, 20:58
A good RP is one where people don't just ramp up their population and write off a civil war because they're outnumbered, and actually have a casus belli when they're going to war.

Not to mention using proper, intelligible English.
Akimonad
01-12-2008, 21:54
I would like to join on the side of the IFA. ODECON is basically LION 2.0, which I can't abide.

Also, I'm in the same region as Leistung, so I can help invade there. And you'll need the help of someone from Haven to even enter the region anyways.
Leistung
01-12-2008, 21:56
What in God's name is going on here? I leave for one night and I come back to find this crap? Look, everyone:

1) Calm down.
2) Quit the flaming.

Ralkovia, you cannot randomly bump your population up. East Congaree, you have to actually ask Zinaire where his airbases are. End of story.
Brittanican Adenia
01-12-2008, 21:57
I would like to join on the side of the IFA. ODECON is basically LION 2.0, which I can't abide.

Also, I'm in the same region as Leistung, so I can help invade there. And you'll need the help of someone from Haven to even enter the region anyways.

D: noes
Fighter4u
01-12-2008, 22:01
Well this will be the first & last major war for me anyway. I got RL problems and this month is looking like the last month for me and the internet for a long while. So I ready to give it my all. Solets just have fun with this hey guys?
Lord Sumguy
01-12-2008, 22:06
So lets just have fun with this hey guys?

Indeed, let's.
Leistung
01-12-2008, 22:08
For clarification, here's what's going on:

East Congaree, Ralk, GWO (presumably), Fighter4u, and RT are trying to invade Zinaire and Leistung. Akimonad is supporting the invasion of Leistung. Once they actually attack, ODECON (made up of dozens of nations) will launch a proverbial shitstorm against those nations.

EDIT: RT, get those Tomahawk numbers down, immediately.
Lord Sumguy
01-12-2008, 22:09
For clarification, here's what's going on:

East Congaree, Ralk, GWO (presumably), Fighter4u, and RT are trying to invade Zinaire and Leistung. Akimonad is supporting the invasion of Leistung. Once they actually attack, ODECON (made up of dozens of nations) will launch a proverbial shitstorm against those nations.

EDIT: RT, get those Tomahawk numbers down, immediately.

We have more than a dozen members?
Fighter4u
01-12-2008, 22:11
For clarification, here's what's going on:

East Congaree, Ralk, GWO (presumably), Fighter4u, and RT are trying to invade Zinaire and Leistung. Akimonad is supporting the invasion of Leistung. Once they actually attack, ODECON (made up of dozens of nations) will launch a proverbial shitstorm against those nations.

EDIT: RT, get those Tomahawk numbers down, immediately.

Well actually I don't support the invasion, I merely going to be defending Ralkovia and my own homeland. Those I supposed if they need my help I might pitch in for the hell of it. I dunno.
Leistung
01-12-2008, 22:11
Make that 13, actually. Not dozens :D

F4u, no one's attacking you.
Fighter4u
01-12-2008, 22:31
Make that 13, actually. Not dozens :D

F4u, no one's attacking you.

Ah, I see. I won't complain. :)
Rykarian Territories
01-12-2008, 22:41
EDIT: RT, get those Tomahawk numbers down, immediately.

No, My country can afford such a large attack, and we saw the need to use a massive strike as such, The damage to the enemy would be catastrophic and turn alot in our (IFA) favor.
Leistung
01-12-2008, 22:44
No, My country can afford such a large attack, and we saw the need to use a massive strike as such, The damage to the enemy would be catastrophic and turn alot in our (IFA) favor.

1) Is your nation made of solid gold?
2) Where are you firing these from? Your fleet? A normal ship can fire, say, 32 TLAMs, so if you'd like to somehow group 1250 ships around Zinaire and then somehow get around the fact that your radar cannot possibly track and fire on 40,000 targets at the same time, please do so.
East Congaree
01-12-2008, 22:45
OOC:

Just fill his Ohios, Ticonderogas, and Virginias with Tomahawks.
Brittanican Adenia
01-12-2008, 22:47
No, My country can afford such a large attack, and we saw the need to use a massive strike as such, The damage to the enemy would be catastrophic and turn alot in our (IFA) favor.

What Leis said and the fact that you're tripping if you didn't think that every single member of ODECON wouldn't do the same.
Rykarian Territories
01-12-2008, 22:57
1) Is your nation made of solid gold?
2) Where are you firing these from? Your fleet? A normal ship can fire, say, 32 TLAMs, so if you'd like to somehow group 1250 ships around Zinaire and then somehow get around the fact that your radar cannot possibly track and fire on 40,000 targets at the same time, please do so.

People need to do research and math about ships before they say "You cant fire that many."

Each ship having its own individual Radar systems could track and fire on their own targets, Now..

Math time.

Each Cruiser alone can carry 122 Tomahawks, Thats 18,300 total.
Each Destroyer alone can carry 90 Tomahawks, Thats 25,200 total.
Each Virginia sub alone can carry 12 Tomahawks, Thats 600 total.
Each Ohio sub alone can carry 154 Tomahawks, Thats 23,100 total.

Around 67,200 all together, thats full capacity if Frigates are pulling anti ship duties.

As you see, I have plenty of missiles, And it's not the question of how difficult the attack was to orchestrate, But how POSSIBLE was it? And indeed, It was entirely possible, which means my attack is legit.
East Congaree
01-12-2008, 23:03
OOC:: The GRAN CHACO
Brittanican Adenia
01-12-2008, 23:11
This war is over. I will NOT RP with people who's conduct I have seen today.
Rykarian Territories
01-12-2008, 23:12
OOC:: The GRAN CHACO

Hey, send me a shipment of parliament brew, We need to celebrate our glorious victory.
East Congaree
01-12-2008, 23:13
Hey, send me a shipment of parliament brew, We need to celebrate our glorious victory.


Aye, 1000 pounds of Assam Blend.
Akimonad
01-12-2008, 23:14
Hey, send me a shipment of parliament brew, We need to celebrate our glorious victory.

What glorious victory? You haven't attacked or conquered anything.
Zinaire
01-12-2008, 23:16
What glorious victory? You haven't attacked or conquered anything.

They aatacked a bunch of airbases I don't have.
Rykarian Territories
01-12-2008, 23:19
They aatacked a bunch of airbases I don't have.

Oh, you mean Airbases, Naval bases, and Ground installations? You have none in Central America at all? Wow, Sounds pretty defenseless, How about i waltz in and steal your land, then?

How fucking convenient.

You cant sit there and bold face lie to me saying that you have NO bases at all within that massive stretch of land in Central America, If you didnt, You'd be a defenseless moron.
East Congaree
01-12-2008, 23:19
OOC: You quit the RP because you were scared shitless. Also, Rykaria's grandfather was in a concentration camp, remember?
Ralkovia
01-12-2008, 23:20
Thats why I said we should have waited until winter break. Then all this mess could be cleared up and schedules wouldn't be screwed up
Brittanican Adenia
01-12-2008, 23:20
OOC: You quit the RP because you were scared shitless. Also, Rykaria's grandfather was in a concentration camp, remember?

I think Leistung will answer this in due course. I really don't care to converse with you any more. Welcome to my ignore list.
Brittanican Adenia
01-12-2008, 23:21
They aatacked a bunch of airbases I don't have.

Zinaire, see the ODECON boards. You'll see why we quit this.
Akimonad
01-12-2008, 23:28
OOC: You quit the RP because you were scared shitless. Also, Rykaria's grandfather was in a concentration camp, remember?

XD XD XD

HARDLY.

I was about to totally destroy your fleets once they reached my "blockade". But obviously that isn't necessary any more, something for which I am glad.
East Congaree
01-12-2008, 23:31
OOC: Akimonad, I don't see the point in OOC deception. You just stooped to a new lower level.
Ralkovia
01-12-2008, 23:32
I'm confused
Akimonad
01-12-2008, 23:34
OOC: Akimonad, I don't see the point in OOC deception. You just stooped to a new lower level.

It's still astronomical units above your own.

And to be quite honest, betrayals happen in real war. It would have been an OOC and IC deception.
Unkerlantum
01-12-2008, 23:35
By and large this entire series of thread have made me loose all respect for IFA save a few select members which haven't posted here.

I'm equally dissappointed in some ODECON members the only good thing to come out of this thread is I've learned who to ignore without having to put too much effort into an rp.
Rykarian Territories
01-12-2008, 23:37
http://i246.photobucket.com/albums/gg81/Rykarian/newspaper.jpg

Parliament brew for all of my IFA Comrades.
Unkerlantum
01-12-2008, 23:38
It's still astronomical units above your own.

And to be quite honest, betrayals happen in real war. It would have been an OOC and IC deception.

Metagaming is major fail. If you wanted to betray them you should have made posts moving fleets towards leistung in perhaps a threatening manner and then used some SIC transmissions to make clear your position.

Saying oocily you want to support one side and then doing the opposite is horrible rp form. Further in a real war there is no OOC/IC everything is realistic or (IC) so that entire point is bullocks.

And the flaming/flame baiting which several people on both sides have done is just sad really.
Leistung
01-12-2008, 23:38
By and large this entire series of thread have made me loose all respect for IFA save a few select members which haven't posted here.

I'm equally dissappointed in some ODECON members the only good thing to come out of this thread is I've learned who to ignore without having to put too much effort into an rp.

Unkerlantum, none of us really posted. We were all too pissed to do anything.
Unkerlantum
01-12-2008, 23:40
Unkerlantum, none of us really posted. We were all too pissed to do anything.

I was referring to all of the ooc I don't even need to waist my time reading IC posts when its clear from ooc posts how some people will do things.
Ralkovia
01-12-2008, 23:40
I am completely and utterly lost. Too many people in the same thread confuse me.

Okay no war until we can all get maps, learn to rp better(IFA and ODECON), learn to keep numbers in check(Me, Rykaria) Learn to stop bitching over the little things(ODECON), Get our plans straight and who the hell we are attacking(IFA), and stop Flaming each other(ALL OF US).

Also when we all have long weekends off would be preferable/
Leistung
01-12-2008, 23:41
I was referring to all of the ooc I don't even need to waist my time reading IC posts when its clear from ooc posts how some people will do things.

I know, man, but you've got to understand our position. They not only godmodded, but flamed and wanked, and refused to listen to us. The racism didn't help either.
Brittanican Adenia
01-12-2008, 23:42
Learn to stop bitching over the little things(ODECON)

Refusing to RP with someone who denies the holocaust and then goes on to OOCly call someone I respect a rather disgusting flurry of names is not a little thing.
Leistung
01-12-2008, 23:42
I am completely and utterly lost. Too many people in the same thread confuse me.

Okay no war until we can all get maps, learn to rp better(IFA and ODECON), learn to keep numbers in check(Me, Rykaria) Learn to stop bitching over the little things(ODECON), Get our plans straight and who the hell we are attacking(IFA), and stop Flaming each other(ALL OF US).

Also when we all have long weekends off would be preferable/

I'm going to send you the MSN conversation I just had. As a person of Jewish faith, you should be very interested in it.
Ralkovia
01-12-2008, 23:44
Refusing to RP with someone who denies the holocaust and then goes on to OOCly call someone I respect a rather disgusting flurry of names is not a little thing.

I don't know who said that but I think we can all agree that the holocaust was real. Don't know who did that but I really hate flaming except when I do it.(Cause I'm a hypocrite)
Ralkovia
01-12-2008, 23:45
I'm going to send you the MSN conversation I just had. As a person of Jewish faith, you should be very interested in it.

Send me it
East if you denied the holocaust I will send a cheetah to your house.

Rykaria I will send a donkey. Yeah you know why.
Brittanican Adenia
01-12-2008, 23:46
I don't know who said that but I think we can all agree that the holocaust was real. Don't know who did that but I really hate flaming except when I do it.(Cause I'm a hypocrite)

From what Leistung has posted up, it was EC and RT. You'll see in the MSN convo he'll send you.
Ralkovia
01-12-2008, 23:50
(I mean I'll joke around about Jewish stereotypes every now and then. Such as the big noses, etc. But the holocaust is off limits on joking matters. I'll talk to east and rykaria they should no that I don't joke about that shit)
Akimonad
01-12-2008, 23:56
Metagaming is major fail. If you wanted to betray them you should have made posts moving fleets towards leistung in perhaps a threatening manner and then used some SIC transmissions to make clear your position.

1) How is metagaming involved in this?

2) I needed Leistung's approval and his assent to join the RP. This involved me telling him my plan to actually assist him.

3) It would have been RPed, but we never got that far, obviously. That said, I probably wouldn't have posted SIC messages considering it's highly like the IFA would metagame from them and try to escape.

4) My position would have been made quite clear by my fleet's actions against IFA vessels. After all, you can be more explicit that with violence.

Saying oocily you want to support one side and then doing the opposite is horrible rp form. Further in a real war there is no OOC/IC everything is realistic or (IC) so that entire point is bullocks.

In a real war, everything is realistic. Hitler made a pact with Russia. Then he attacked them.

This is the same situation. I made an inferred agreement with IFA (which would have translated to IC). Then I would have proceeded to betray them by attacking them (and making an OOC post to clear everything up).

I've done this before, with LION, as BA can attest to. I think he will also attest that from an IC and OOC perspective it worked out well, minus the momentary anger which was expected anyway.

I know full well what I'm doing/would have done, so don't try to school me on it.
Lord Sumguy
01-12-2008, 23:56
OOC: due to anti-semitic comments, terrible RPing, and general idiocy, Rykarian Territories and East Congaree are hereby ignored.

IC:
http://view.playlist.com/13869486603/standalone

Subterranean Bunker, Eastern Mountain Range:

“Sir! Sir!” A young technician shouted from the midst of a poorly lit room filled with various monitors. He had stood up from where he had been observing the readouts from his own station.

General Inser Tnam Ehere, the bunker’s CO, turned from where he was looking at a highly stylized map of the world, and hurried to the technician who had called him. “What is it private” He asked, smoking the stereotypic cigar of a high-ranking no-nonsense officer.

“Look at these idiocy readings, sir.” The technician said, his face pale as he looked at the monitor.

“My God! I’ve never seen any readings that large in my life!” Gen. Ehere gasped, the cigar dropping from his mouth. “Any idea of the origin?”

“I believe it’s from the nations of Rykarian Territories and East Congaree, sir.”

General Ehere became ashen faced. “I should have known. This has the potential to be catastrophic, we must stop it before it spreads.”

“Do you mean that..” The young man asked began and trailed off again, his eyes widening.

“Yes private, we must activate the weapon.”


Office of the Hegemon, Sumguaia:

Mary Basset stood at the window to her office, smelling the air. There was something wrong in the wind, almost as if the wind itself contained traces of stupidity. She started as her phone rang, and she walked to her desk to pick it up. “Yes? Oh, hello General. Oh my. Yes, I thought I could smell something in the air. Of course, it must be stopped. You have authorization. That is all.”

She hung up the phone, and turned back to the window. Massive senselessness required truly drastic measures to correct.

National Cathedral:

The huge cathedral that made up the center of the city of Sumguaia began to tremble as the ground below it slowly began moving. After a few moments, it split apart, each half slowly moving away from the other to reveal a massive pit. Arising slowly from this pit were two of the gargantuan Mark VII I.G.N.O.R.E L.A.Z.O.R’s. Slowly, each turned to aim into the sky, targeting orbiting Sumguaian satellites, which would magnify and redirect their beams to utterly annihilate the sources of stupidity, in this case the nations of Rykarian Territories and East Congaree. They began charging, diverting the power grid of the nation’s entire mid-western region.


In her office, the Hegemon stood watching the sunset, a feeling of disgust rising in her. She snatched at the phone as it rang. “Are they charged General? Exellent. This menace to humanity ends now.”

Mary Basset hung up the phone again, turning to look at a small red button on her desk. Her finger hovered over it for a moment, and she smiled, whispering a single phrase to herself before pressing the button: “Shoop da woop.”

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/152/414066321_59138e141a.jpg?v=0
Brittanican Adenia
02-12-2008, 00:00
In a real war, everything is realistic. Hitler made a pact with Russia. Then he attacked them.

This is the same situation. I made an inferred agreement with IFA (which would have translated to IC). Then I would have proceeded to betray them by attacking them (and making an OOC post to clear everything up).

I've done this before, with LION, as BA can attest to. I think he will also attest that from an IC and OOC perspective it worked out well, minus the momentary anger which was expected anyway.

I remember that, you dirty cheating... j/k <3

Yeah, in fact, it was pretty awesome RPing form - I didn't expect it, I was pissed off for a little while, then I accepted that actually, war doesn't always go the way you want it and I carried on. Double-crossing is the way it has always been in war.
Imperial isa
02-12-2008, 00:03
why on earth is LS doing a IC in the ooc thread
Akimonad
02-12-2008, 00:06
For lulz, of course.
Unkerlantum
02-12-2008, 00:10
1) How is metagaming involved in this?

2) I needed Leistung's approval and his assent to join the RP. This involved me telling him my plan to actually assist him.

3) It would have been RPed, but we never got that far, obviously. That said, I probably wouldn't have posted SIC messages considering it's highly like the IFA would metagame from them and try to escape.

4) My position would have been made quite clear by my fleet's actions against IFA vessels. After all, you can be more explicit that with violence.



In a real war, everything is realistic. Hitler made a pact with Russia. Then he attacked them.

This is the same situation. I made an inferred agreement with IFA (which would have translated to IC). Then I would have proceeded to betray them by attacking them (and making an OOC post to clear everything up).

I've done this before, with LION, as BA can attest to. I think he will also attest that from an IC and OOC perspective it worked out well, minus the momentary anger which was expected anyway.

I know full well what I'm doing/would have done, so don't try to school me on it.


Your agreement was in an OOC thread, in no way does an OOC agreement ever translate into an IC one until you actually make the agreement in IC. Anyone who thinks otherwise is an idiot and probably shouldn't be rping to begin with.

You would have also needed to tell the OP your plans to get accepted into the RP since it's ultimately the OP's RP and they could block whomever they wanted on either side from participating in the RP of course after discussion with the other opposite party on the rules and number of rpers for both sides etc etc etc.

If you did SIC in a post and IFA people used that then they would be the ones at fault for doing so and you could ignore them, or force them to change posts etc etc.

Hitler actually signed an agreement with the USSR, that would translate into an IC agreement for the sake of RP had he just said "Hey I won't attack you I swear" that would have been an OOC agreement in terms of rp and would have as much validity as you allowed by trusting the person who made the ooc agreement.

Your arrogance does amuse me though Aki.

And @ BA of course real wars don't always go as you plan and their are double crossings etc, however this isn't real its a rp and there's certain ways you have to do things. I understand Aki didn't have time for IC agreements with the IFA and when he did SICly make his intentions clear the IFA members would have to acknowledge the fact it was SIC and continue on blindly, if they chose to metagame they could be ignored or have to alter their posts to remove knowledge of SIC stated information.

You don't say one thing in an OOC thread then do the opposite in IC one without rping the change of intentions in IC first.
The Blub Colony
02-12-2008, 00:10
Why do people always have to wank allover RPs? Seriously, 50,000 missiles? LOL.

Hell.. if we wanted to go UBERTEHWANKZ, I have the capability to missile spam far worse. My Donaldsons alone have 88 deck mounted missile tubes. Not to mention their pair of 77 cell VLSes. That's 242 missiles each.. hrmm. If I sent my entire fleet of Donaldsons to your coastline, that'd equal 95,000+ cruise missiles.

Not to mention my other ships. :D

But I don't do that crap. Why? It makes no tactical sense. Firing off all your missiles in one volley leaves you defenseless. Also, moving your whole navy into a single battle leaves your homeland unprotected and as they say, you're putting all your eggs in one blanket. A decisive engagement could mean losing ALL your navy. :D But it's fine.. folks'd just wank up some more.

All this talk about ships gave me a raging semi. I'mma go look for some storefronts to buy from.. need more ships.
Leistung
02-12-2008, 00:12
Alright, we really ought to just let this thread die, please. Stop flaming each other over nothing.
The Blub Colony
02-12-2008, 00:13
Alright, we really ought to just let this thread die, please. Stop flaming each other over nothing.

Not flaming. Just stating facts. You have to be very careful with 'lulz missile spam' because there's always a bigger fish in the sea.
Leistung
02-12-2008, 00:16
Nah, Blub, I'm referring to what Unkerlantum and Aki are about to do.

For future reference, ODECON stopped the war for OOC reasons (namely that two IFA members maliciously flamed me rather heavily on MSN and then denied the holocaust, told me that the aryan race will rule, that I'll go to hell for being Catholic, and finished with a lovely volley of insults against various races).
Rykarian Territories
02-12-2008, 00:18
that I'll go to hell for being Catholic.

Hey, I'm atheist, Hell is non-existent.


Rykaria I will send a donkey. Yeah you know why.



I like donkeys.
Leistung
02-12-2008, 00:19
Hey, I'm atheist, Hell is non-existent.

Ah yes, that was East Congaree. You just told me that the Holocaust involved 2 people, and that I was...well...a number of things I can't repeat here.
The Blub Colony
02-12-2008, 00:20
Nah, Blub, I'm referring to what Unkerlantum and Aki are about to do.

For future reference, ODECON stopped the war for OOC reasons (namely that two IFA members maliciously flamed me rather heavily on MSN and then denied the holocaust, told me that the aryan race will rule, that I'll go to hell for being Catholic, and finished with a lovely volley of insults against various races).

Classy. We need to find another war I guess.
Rykarian Territories
02-12-2008, 00:21
Ah yes, that was East Congaree. You just told me that the Holocaust involved 2 people, and that I was...well...a number of things I can't repeat here.

Bang bang, Skeet skeet.
Unkerlantum
02-12-2008, 00:22
Nah, Blub, I'm referring to what Unkerlantum and Aki are about to do.

For future reference, ODECON stopped the war for OOC reasons (namely that two IFA members maliciously flamed me rather heavily on MSN and then denied the holocaust, told me that the aryan race will rule, that I'll go to hell for being Catholic, and finished with a lovely volley of insults against various races).

I'm far from delving into a flame war Leistung lol. I just chuckled when I was talked to like I was somehow less knowledgeable or unintelligent so i let Aki know it amused me. It was a statement not meant to entice an argument, hopefully Aki got that if not my apologies.
Leistung
02-12-2008, 00:23
Bang bang, Skeet skeet.

I'm not going to sink down to your level. No one wants you on this thread any longer, so kindly GTFO.
Brystolville
02-12-2008, 00:24
Bang bang, Skeet skeet.

Kindly do us all a favour and troll somewhere else.
Kirav
02-12-2008, 00:32
Rykarian,

You, sir, are a racist, disrespectful, immature, daspygal zoophyte.
Akimonad
02-12-2008, 00:32
Your agreement was in an OOC thread, in no way does an OOC agreement ever translate into an IC one until you actually make the agreement in IC. Anyone who thinks otherwise is an idiot and probably shouldn't be rping to begin with.

Where an IC agreement ever stated or assumed? I was about to post, but the Leistung said the RP was done. Hence why there are no IC posts.

You would have also needed to tell the OP your plans to get accepted into the RP since it's ultimately the OP's RP and they could block whomever they wanted on either side from participating in the RP of course after discussion with the other opposite party on the rules and number of rpers for both sides etc etc etc.

I told the OP I wanted to help IFA. If I told them I wanted to betray them, I wouldn't have been allowed in. That in itself would likely have constituted a form of borderline metagaming, though it would certainly have been their prerogative as OP.

If you did SIC in a post and IFA people used that then they would be the ones at fault for doing so and you could ignore them, or force them to change posts etc etc.

Yeah, I know. And it wouldn't have given me any gratification. My hope was to RP to a conclusion of some sort instead of stopping randomly because of metagaming.

Hitler actually signed an agreement with the USSR; that would translate into an IC agreement for the sake of RP. Had he just said "Hey I won't attack you I swear" that would have been an OOC agreement in terms of rp and would have as much validity as you allowed by trusting the person who made the ooc agreement.

Why do you keep assuming that there wasn't going to be an IC agreement? The RP was stopped a scant hour or so after I OOCly joined. I don't write posts that fast. Not to mention an IC agreement with the IFA of some kind would have been necessary to 1) Make intentions clear and 2) Keep up the deception.

The only reason this looks strange now is because the RP was stopped before I could start RPing. And frankly I have no intention of trying to post now that it's moot.

Your arrogance does amuse me though Aki.

At least I don't try to arbitrarily apply my own opinion of
etiquette to other people, Unk.
Ralkovia
02-12-2008, 00:32
I wonder what GWO is going to do when he realized how fubar this went.

Also, I would like some sort of discussion on what the hell went wrong. And everybody stop flaming this thread has become gay.(Pun not intended)
The Blub Colony
02-12-2008, 00:33
Rykarian,

You, sir, are a racist, disrespectful, immature, daspygal zoophyte.

And a smelly mudcrab.

>.>

<.<

.. *nods!*
Akimonad
02-12-2008, 00:34
I'm far from delving into a flame war Leistung lol. I just chuckled when I was talked to like I was somehow less knowledgeable or unintelligent so i let Aki know it amused me. It was a statement not meant to entice an argument, hopefully Aki got that if not my apologies.

Blarg. The internet can be an emotionless place.
Brittanican Adenia
02-12-2008, 00:35
Rykarian,

You, sir, are a racist, disrespectful, immature, daspygal zoophyte.

[/silkengloveslap]

....
Unkerlantum
02-12-2008, 00:36
If the OP blocked you for that it would have been metagaming, and I know the rp ended I was just saying lol its funny we're agreeing and arguing....
Akimonad
02-12-2008, 00:37
And a smelly mudcrab.

>.>

<.<

.. *nods!*

That's not a classy insult at all. :<

If the OP blocked you for that it would have been metagaming, and I know the rp ended I was just saying lol its funny we're agreeing and arguing....

Well, it is their thread, so they get purely OOC privileges to evict who they want. If you try to enter my hypothetical small-scale special forces operation that has maybe 100 soldiers with your force of 3 million conscripts, chances are I wouldn't let you in. And at that point you probably couldn't argue that that's metagaming and you should be let in.

Granted that is a form of metagaming by definition. But it's allowed because without it we'd all end up with RPs filled with a bunch of people we don't want to RP with.
The Blub Colony
02-12-2008, 00:44
That's not a classy insult at all. :<
.

:( I don't know enough big fancy words.
Ralkovia
02-12-2008, 00:46
Well I'm going to start building more forts near my holdings. So good bye parasitic emu worms(Yes I said emu)
Kirav
02-12-2008, 00:48
And a smelly mudcrab.

>.>

<.<

.. *nods!*

**applauds**
**bows to BA**
**hears imaginary request for encore**

And don't forget a japing, ithyphallic, lubricious, napiform, muliebritous thermanesthesiac.
Brittanican Adenia
02-12-2008, 00:48
Well I'm going to start building more forts near my holdings. So good bye parasitic emu worms(Yes I said emu)

Wut?
Leistung
02-12-2008, 00:48
Well I'm going to start building more forts near my holdings. So good bye parasitic emu worms(Yes I said emu)

You'd better be talking about EC and RT...I sent you the conversation...
Brittanican Adenia
02-12-2008, 00:49
**applauds**
**bows to BA**
**hears imaginary request for encore**

And don't forget a japing, ithyphallic, lubricious, napiform, muliebritous thermanesthesiac.

Now you're just showing off.

*steals long words*
*gives to Blubs*
Ralkovia
02-12-2008, 00:49
Against the mudcrabs....THEY ARE COMING


Wheres the conversation?
Leistung
02-12-2008, 00:50
Against the mudcrabs....THEY ARE COMING


Wheres the conversation?

TGed.
The Blub Colony
02-12-2008, 00:54
Now you're just showing off.

*steals long words*
*gives to Blubs*

<cackles and hordes the words>

Oh, Leistung check your storefront!
Stoklomolvi
02-12-2008, 00:55
Aki, nobody could ever believe your siding with the IFA even if you were serious. We would think that you would be joking and would shrug it off while your cruise missiles pound us. We would laugh, and go "hah, good ol' Aki is storming us again. how funny" and then get pwnt. During the warcrimes trials against us we'll be all "alright Aki, we'll play along, but only this time" as we get executed by firing squad.
Akimonad
02-12-2008, 00:57
Aki, nobody could ever believe your siding with the IFA even if you were serious. We would think that you would be joking and would shrug it off while your cruise missiles pound us. We would laugh, and go "hah, good ol' Aki is storming us again. how funny" and then get pwnt. During the warcrimes trials against us we'll be all "alright Aki, we'll play along, but only this time" as we get executed by firing squad.

*blows a raspberry derisively*

You're no fun anymore.
Rykarian Territories
02-12-2008, 01:12
Rykarian,

You, sir, are a racist, disrespectful, immature, daspygal zoophyte.

Thank you for your inquiry, but your opinions do not really matter to me.

Peace out, Fallout time.
Ralkovia
02-12-2008, 02:31
Tg for you lei
Ardchoille
03-12-2008, 10:04
Congratulations, sort of. I don't think I've ever had to close an OOC thread before.