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The Militia Brigades of the Anarchist Unions seek armaments to restock its supplies. A group of like-minded militia organisations, we serve as a defence force for the Anarchist Unions, although we have no government funding due to our lack of government. We employ a democratic and moralistic ethos to our work and strive to defend the rights of the worker and common man. As all funding to the Militia Brigades is from charitable donators we have a relatively low military budget, however we are willing to pay decent money for decent equipment.

Sincerely,

The Elected Leaders of the Militia Brigades of the AU

We of The United Government would gladly pay and give the folloing:
$50,000,000,000
100 M1A2 Abrams
250,000 Uniforms
250,000 M-16
100,000 grenades
50 AH-64 Apaches
80 M2A3 Bradley's

If there are any problems please tell us immediatly and we do hope that we establish diplomatic relations between us nations!

Sincerely,
Dorofei Petorv

OOC: You say pay, but do you mean that that's the price? Or si that some kind of donation? Sorry, just checking! :D

OOC:I'm giving you 50 billion

OOC: And the equipment as well? Thats very generous!

TO: Dorofei Petorv
FROM: The Elected Leaders of the Militia Brigades of the AU

Your kind offer is accepted gladly, and such a fantastic donation will not go forgotten. You can be assured that the Militia Brigades would be pleased to maintain relations with your noble nation.

The people of the Anarchist Unions are in your debt.

Sincerely,

The Elected Leaders of the Militia Brigades of the AU

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From the Anarchist Confederacy of Third Spanish States
To the Federation of Anarchist Unions

As decided through the true and direct democracy of the Confederacy, we, in the interest of standing for true socialism and the cause of freedom and anarchism, commend the achievements of your people, freed from the corruption of capitalist plutocracies disguised as "democracies" and of the tyranny of fascism and totalitarian "communism", and are very glad to see the development of another truly free nation in an world ridden with false democracies and tyranny. However, it is sad that in such world, men with no morals or goals other than their own, insane and unstoppable hunger for power and wealth might endanger the very survival of your achievements in the near future. With this in mind, and with our belief that anarchism and direct democracy must not be restricted to an inner shell of our own nation, we find as our duty as a people to defend all successful revolutions of the world. And on behalf of the cause of the peoples of the world, we have agreed to guarantee the independence of the Anarchist Unions, and are interested in, with no selfish interests aside, negotiate the trade of our goods produced in workers cooperatives with yours, and share of technology and revolutionary experiences of our peoples.

Equally, we have a great interest into negotiating a military access agreement to your nation, for our military, also based on democratic principles, can offer to help with the defense of your nation against those who would seek to destroy it, and no matter how your people is determined to fight till the end for their freedoms, like ours, we would rather to see your efforts to succeed rather than end by the reactionary ruthlessness like that applied to the Paris Revolution, and to the 11th of September tragedy that condemned the democratic regime of Allende and to the people of Chile.

The MilNet Cooperative and Private Defense Agency, based on elected and consensus-based leadership, can provide to your nation the necessary self-defense force to secure its continued survival in the turbulent times of our era. Specially through air defenses, that are essential to defend your nation from likely fascist and totalitarian planes of the enemies of the people.


Thanks to the collaboration of the Commonwealth of Land Warfare Cooperatives (http://forums3.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=563839), we are shipping five Militia Divisional packages (http://forums3.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=14069476&postcount=5&highlight=militia) with ordnances and equipment proper for civilian defenses against any fascist threat. Each of them pack state-of-art equipment that will increase drastically the effectiveness of your militias, specially in urban and jungle environments, including the highly accurate RSA battle rifle and FA-65 assault rifle. We hope that this donation may contribute to the sustained success of your people.

Also, we have a great interest to establish cooperative units in your nation, to promote the infrastructural, economical and technological development for the improvement your people. Like in the Confederacy, there shall be no exceptions to our collectivized agricultural system, for aware of the implications, both humanitarian and economical, of releasing the economies of people from worries about basic needs, we manage a fully collectivized agricultural sector among our cooperatives, distributing freely basic foods through our exceeding resources to promote economical prosperity. What for some would be unthinkable, in their blind greed, for us is a very potential investment that has allowed the economy of the Confederacy to grow dramatically since its implementation, benefiting everyone rather than a few privileged ones.

I look forward to personally discuss this and many matters, as a direct representative of the people of the Confederacy, with your people, and hope that we can establish permanent ideological, diplomatic and economical ties, to secure the future of our lasting cause. May the Revolution last forever, and your people be forever free from the shackles of governmental and capitalist exploitation.

Attentiously
Cecily Lockhelm (http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/09/Cleyere.jpg)
Head of State and member of the MilNet Private Defense Agency (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Private_defense_agency)

A couple of leaflets mysteriously arrived upon the Elected Leaders of the Militia Brigades of the AU's desks.

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To: Whom It May Concern
From: The Federated States Of Nehrland

The Government of The Federated States Of Nehrland frowns upon the careless exchange of weaponry related to The Anarchist Union, such actions can be viewed as a blatant disregard for the safety of the populace of The Anarchist Union. Do to which the governmental powers of The Federated States Of Nehrland will blockade The Anarchist Union to protect it's populace from further carelessness that may be caused by foreign nations and industries. Further actions may result in mass deployment of the Nehrlandi Military, while all efforts are being made to maintain a peacetime attitude, any attacks or violent actions on, or directed toward Nehrlandi citizens, will result in direct military action.

Signed
Arthur Van Lictenstein

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Anarchist Confederacy International

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From Cecily Lockhelm, Third Spanish head of States, regarding the outrageous threats and imperialistic meddling of the illegitimate government of Nehrland

The Confederacy of Third Spanish States is willing to distribute weapons to all truly free nations to prevent exactly the brutality of imperialistic and fascist nations which believe that can override the sovereignty of people who emancipated from the bonds of the State and capitalism through brute force. At this very moment, we fight for the liberation of Spain against tyranny, to unite our people who has been divided for nearly three decades, as it is one of our domestic affairs. The pathetic excuse of it supposedly being threat to the people of the Anarchist Union and your attempt to deprive them of the right to bear arms is nothing but a clear sign that your intentions might be to invade and oppress them, for a disarmed population is easy taking for fascists, tyrants and lunatics.

We shall not comply with your disrespectful violation of the sovereignty of the Anarchist Union, and it is their legitimate right to secure peace by preparing themselves for war. The MilNet, likewise, has been conducting successful operations with only a fraction of their maximum expeditionary capability, and any unjustifiable act of war conducted by a tyranny against the Confederacy will be answered with the eventual abolition of the irresponsible and inhuman government that has taken the decision. Although I would love to personally oversee the end of the status quo of Nehrland, we are not reckless warmongers and imperialists like Nehrland, although we will fight if necessary, to secure the sovereign rights of other true democracies, anarchist communes and truly socialist States of the world.

We ask that the Federated States of Nehrland back off with their threat, for we are not the only ones that will be affected by such outrageous threat, and other nations might not be as reasonable and answer with an immediate cease or war threat. Our single shipment to The Anarchist Union and its escorts will not be interrupted, and we shall only fight in our defense. We do not wish for an unnecessary war, for we believe that only the people of a nation have the right to fight for their freedom, but you have no right to intervene with the future of another free nation which has done no hostile action against your country.

Any major military mobilization near the Anarchist Union will be considered an invasion against the Anarchist Union and violation of its sovereignty, and in honor to our guarantee of independence to their free people, we shall defend them from any fascist and/or imperialist aggression. Although we will never relate friendly with a nation like yours, we hope that at least neutrality and peace might be kept. Otherwise, when a dictatorship unjustly declares war against us, we will not stop until its government is gone. You can either choose to respect the sovereignty of others, or to lose your own sovereignty. The choice lies with you.

Attentiously
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Cecily Lockhelm
Head of State, freelance vigilante and military advisor

The Armed Republic of Salzland wishes to caution the Federated States of Nehrland that under current international law, a blockading action may be considered an act of war against the nation being blockaded. At this time we are not willing to take either side in this incident; rather, we are seeking to ensure that Nehrland is fully aware of the potential consequences of its actions.

TO:Cecily Lockhelm, Third Spanish States
FROM:The Elected Leaders of the Militia Brigades of the AU
We thank you from the bottom of our hearts for your generous donations of weaponry, as well as your display of support in this time of danger. We trust that we may rely on your intervention if the situation with Nehrland does escalate. In the mean time we will do our best to ensure peace.

If they do persist however, they will not win. No parasan!

Sincerely,
The Elected Leaders of the Militia Brigades of the AU

OOC: As far as I can see, your nation is based on Spain during the Civil War. Thats a period which has always fascinated me and I, as a leftist, have always venerated the great bravery of the Spanish and the International Brigades. My Grandmother was Spanish, and was born in 1934. She lived her life in Franco's Spain and due to this I have despised fascism all my life.

TO:The Incorporated States of Nehrland
FROM:The Elected Leaders of the Militia Brigades of the AU
Whilst your ignorance can be excused, your hostility cannot. You seek to impose foolish and unjustified measures on the free people of the Anarchist Unions and, if these measures are carried out, this could result in unfortunate circumstances. Any attempted blockade of the AU will be viewed as an act of war and will be treated with the utmost ferocity.

We pray that peace may prevail and that you will see the stupidity of your actions.

Sincerely,
The Elected Leaders of the Militia Brigades of the AU

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Two hundred thousand LAR-655E2 Assault Rifles plus ammunition*
And one hundred thousand chambered as assault-shotguns (12 ga).

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Overview:
The performance of the Hurtian "Heavy Assault Pistol" was less than satisfactory in long range engagements. The Hurtian issue HAP-655 using a full sized rifle cartridge in particular, as it lacked accuracy and effectiveness coming from the reduced length pistol barrel, couldn't be fitted with a grenade launcher of any type, and had safety and reliability issues with the feed system.

Thus, designers went back to the drawing board, noting they needed a longer barrel for better accuracy and external ballistics, could be effectively used in a compact weapon, able to use underbarrel weapons and scopes, have a high rate of sustained fire, and retain good 'pointability' for snap shooting. But above all, it had to be cheaper, simpler, and lighter than the existing battle rifle.

The first suggestion was to make it a bullpup rifle, although it was noted that a 'one size fits all' bullpup, but it was noted that a normal bullpup layout may interfere with the required high rate of accurate rifle fire. One person suggested placing the magazine forward enough during sustained firing to alow it to be used as a hand-hold, thus bypassing the difficulty of holding a red-hot gunstock and allowing for and extremely rapid one hand magazine change.

Humble shotgun beginings:
Around this time, a mercenary corporation purchased some automatic bullpup shotguns from Yanitaria because of the diffuculty using the belt-fed SHAW-12 Mk IV, and had modified them specificly for either long sustained firing or a very agile weapon for CQC.

The shotgun was a relatively robust gas-operated rotating bolt weapon, employing a simple stepped trigger shear instead of a fire selector, firing from open bolt to prevent cook-offs between long bursts. The designers had omited the handgaurd altogether to allow the use of mittens.

There was no charging handle, instead using an enlarged ejection port and pulling the bolt open where it engaged the trigger shear. The safety comprised of a dust cover that also engaged a magazine cutoff, thus making the gun safe to handle while keeping the inside sealed off from the elements (especially if the bolt was closed), this feature also proved immensly useful in the event that a badly worn trigger shear resaults in a run-away firearm.

The wire stock was made sufficiently log to double as a cleaning rod for the barrel, and special attention was paid that a buffered stock recoil management system was made available when firing single shots or short bursts. Being a shotgun, little attention as paid to giving the weapon much more than a series or rear sight grooves (refferance lines running down the barrel) and a front rifle sight, though a weaver rail was fitted close to the rear for a red-dot or night vision sight.

Along the lower, there were provisions for an underbarrel weapon, originally it was supposed to be the recoil intensive HM-320, which could be fired with maximum powder charge with the stock removed and replaced with a mortar baseplate in a condition similar to the HM-320 itself.

The first true lightweight Hurtian rifle
As impressive as the LAS-12 (Light Assault Shotgun 12) was, it wasn't quite what was expected of a rifle, the sights were crude, it had issues with attempting to charge the bolt after a long firing session -either requiring a surrogate finger or resaulting in burned hands and the muzzle brake actually increased muzzle flash.

Proper rifle sights and scope rails were added however, this modification was made in the belief this was a conventional rifle layout, thus the flip-up rear sight is located upon the extreme rear of the reciever, thus, many troops are still trained to handle the weapon as a shotgun for CQC.

The issue with re-charging a hot bolt was partialy alleviated by installing a bolt-hold-open device compatable with standard hurtian 30 round 6.5x55 mm magazines. In the event the bolt fails to remain open, soldiers are encuraged to open the bolt with a spent piece of brass.

And the muzzle brake was removed and replaced with a coarsly threaded muzzle for standard Hurtian attachments. The barrel remained smoothbore in keeping with then-current hurtian rifle specifications.

The rifle comes of age: The 'E' model
It didn't take too long for economic planners to see that such a weapon could corner the market as a good, cheap, high performance battle rifle for third world nations. So another series of modifications were made in order to appeal to the general public interest.

First, it was noted that not all nations use underbarrel grenade launchers, secondly, that even the Hurtian military among other have fieled a considerable number of high power cartridges that would wreck the short stroke gas operating mechanism of the rifle.

Both these problems were resolved by adding a veneer sight for rifle grenade launching, this flip up sight also functioned to seal off the gas block.

Further improvements were made to the barrel and muzzle, including a fully rifled barrel with 4 grooves, and a fixed sound/flash suppressing rifle grenade launcher.

A balanced recoil mechanism was considered to counter the heavy bolt group, and was added in the second block of export models as the LAR-655E2 (pictured).

Other versions in various calibers may be manufactured with orders of over 1,000 units or DPR (cost of 1 million units).

Specs:
Barrel: 18"
Overall length: 30" collapsed/46" fully extended
Shoulder to trigger distance: aprox 18 to 30 inches
Chamber: 6.5x55 Hurtian and/or 6.5x55 ARAM
Magazine capacity: 30 round staggered column box
Rate of Fire: 550 rounds per minute
Effective Ballistic Range (against NIJ level I): 1 km
Weight: 3.2 kg empty

Price: $225 per unit

*May substitute your own cartridge and have these re-barreled
And yes, "draftroom approved". (http://z4.invisionfree.com/NSDraftroom/index.php?showtopic=3597)

Don't ever shoot this from hip, it'll flip-up and shoot you in the face...
And the ammo went through "draftroom testing" for use against NSJ lvl IV+/STANAG II armors (http://z4.invisionfree.com/NSDraftroom/index.php?showtopic=596), so yeah, dragonskins can get pwned by these...

Unity and Hope is very willing to Arm the Anarchist Unions.

We shall Arm you at no cost at all.

We shall arm you with...

RPG X 1,000.
AK47 X 100,000
Tank's X 15,000
MIG 29's X 1,000

Consider it a gift from Unity and Hope.

To: The Anarchist Collective
From: The Great Republic of Falkasia

The People's Republic of Falkasia is known for it's gigantic arms exporting business, going so far as saying that it has cornered the world in a few select markets. Our companies produce high-quality weapons for prices near unbeatable by other similar arms manufacturing businesses. One of our most successful, the Universal Defense (http://s10.invisionfree.com/Universal_Defense/) Corporation, is renowned world-wide for it's wide array of both civilian and military products, as well as extremely efficient customer service. As a new and relatively small customer, you'll be elegible for the Developing Nations Discount, resulting in almost a 25% refund rate on your orders. Please, tell us what you think.

If The Arachist Union would accept this gift and take care responsibly we would kindly and safely transport WMD's to your nation thank you for your time

Doforv Peterov

P.S.
The Anarchist Union has our full military, potitcal, and economical support

To: The Anarchist Collective
From: The Chazakain Empire

The Chazakain Empire is known for it's arms exporting business (and attacking/adding rebel groups). Our national run companies produce high-quality weapons for reasonable retail prices. One of our most successful companies, the Chazaka Defense Inc, has experience in a variety of combat products that have served the Chazakain Empire well for many a year and situation. The storefront also has quick customer service. If you chose to buy Chazakain you will get our second customer discount a one time discount of 20% off all goods.
Link to catalog (http://z13.invisionfree.com/Chazakain_Storefront/index.php?act=idx)
We would also recommend Falkasia's universal defense ;) they aren't just blowing smoke, their equipment and consumer staff are very good.

We here in God's Own Silver Wolf Republic would like to offer you some of our more how do you say deadly people extermenation devices. Here at the Nanoelectronics Research Facility in sunny down town Hell's Gate we have many samples to send you. Here is a list of what we are willing to give, yes you read that right give you.
* Chemicals that blister: sulphur mustard, lewisite, nitrogen mustard, mustard-leweisite, phosgene-oxime.

* Chemicals that affect the nerves: VX, Sarin, Soman, tabun, novichole agents.

* Chemicals that cause choking: cholrine, phosgene, diphosgene, chloropicrin.

* Chemicals that affect the blood: herygem, cynanide, cynaogen chlorine.

* Chemicals for riot control: tear agent 2 (SN gas), tear agent 0 (CS gas), psychedelic agent 3 (BZ)
If you have any questions please feel free to drop us a line.

OOC: Weapons of mass destruction, and your basically giving them to the equivalent of Congo, now, honestly?

The Holy Empire of Anemos major, whilst acknowledging the importance of being able to arm itself, frowns upon The United Government's attempt to sell its weapons of mass destruction to an anarchist society, and if these weapons pass anywhere near our territory the Anemonian Military will directly intervene.

Signed, the Anemonian Holy Office of War.

The Armed Republic of Salzland is surprised to hear of the revelation from the Anemos Major Government that The United Government is apparently attempting to transfer Weapons of Mass Destruction to The Anarchist Unions. We are detailing a team to liason with the Anemos Major Intelligence Services, to confirm the validity of this information. (OOC: I'm RP-ing TUG's telegram as a private one, which would have to be intercepted by someone). Should it prove to be valid, Salzland will take measures to interdict WMD shipments to this extremely young nation.

(OOC: Seriously people, giving large numbers of WMDs to a nation less than a week old?)

OOC: Weapons of mass destruction, and your basically giving them to the equivalent of Congo, now, honestly?
Over-react much?

Unless he knows what those chemicals actually do to the human body and how to keep that from happening to himself, he's best to just sit on them and point a sign there saying: "Mah sweet chemical weapons, strike glass in case of war"

2ndly, these are being donated to his police-ish militias, what's the worst that could happen?
Would that effect anyone besides himself?
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OOC: WMDs to little old me? I don’t think that’s wise…but I like to Rp realistically and I don’t think the AU would refuse such a kind offer. So, whilst I won’t be accepting them, I wont write telling you such either. I’ll let the other nations of our lovely world persuade you out of it.

The Militia Brigades of the Anarchist Unions are thankful to all those nations and companies who have donated arms to our justified cause. Those who have offered us access to their storefronts are also thanked and you can all be certain that we will be examining them thoroughly for prospective wares.

All who have donated can be sure of future relations with our glorious nation.

ooc:meh, my goverment likes to use these smaller nations as how would you put it experments.

To: The Anarchist Collective
From: The Chazakain Empire

The Chazakain Empire is known for it's arms exporting business (and attacking/adding rebel groups). Our national run companies produce high-quality weapons for reasonable retail prices. One of our most successful companies, the Chazaka Defense Inc, has experience in a variety of combat products that have served the Chazakain Empire well for many a year and situation. The storefront also has quick customer service. If you chose to buy Chazakain you will get our second customer discount a one time discount of 20% off all goods.
Link to catalog (http://z13.invisionfree.com/Chazakain_Storefront/index.php?act=idx)
We would also recommend Falkasia's universal defense ;) they aren't just blowing smoke, their equipment and consumer staff are very good.

OOC: Thanks, I appreciate it!

The Armed Republic of Salzland is surprised to hear of the revelation from the Anemos Major Government that The United Government is apparently attempting to transfer Weapons of Mass Destruction to The Anarchist Unions. We are detailing a team to liason with the Anemos Major Intelligence Services, to confirm the validity of this information. (OOC: I'm RP-ing TUG's telegram as a private one, which would have to be intercepted by someone). Should it prove to be valid, Salzland will take measures to interdict WMD shipments to this extremely young nation.

(OOC: Seriously people, giving large numbers of WMDs to a nation less than a week old?)

The Holy Empire of Anemos Major gladly accepts Salzland's assistance in this case. Our 45th Intelligence Battalion, 1st Anemonian Army are already looking into this, and we have managed to intercept parts of a message already.

OOC: Next step: Nuclear Weapons projects for every extremist government in the world!

The Mercenary Camp of Avoya recognizes the problems AU is facing, and wishes to offer them some advice. Therefore, we will be sending a battalion of highly trained marines, to better instruct your marines.

However, due to the worrying rumors from the highly reliable Anemos Major intelligence, and Salzland, they will also be checking the stability of the area, and possibilities of WMDs. They will report their findings to the Avoyan Inteligence, and if Anemos Major wishes, can give it to a Liason.

Lord George Flacker
Department of State
OOC: Anemos, please establish an embassy, to make this positive

TO: Lord George Flacker
FROM:The Militia Brigades of The Anarchist Unions

Whilst we thank you for your kind offer of assistance at this time, we cannot and will not accept your offer. We hereby declare with all open and decent honesty that we do not possess Weapons of Mass Destruction and we do not have the equipment nor room to facilitate such armaments.

We will, in addition, not allow foreign soldiers into the AU. This is no personal issue with yourself, in fact we wish we were able to let you help us, but the people of the AU do not like the idea of foreign interuptions to our beloved society.

The Elected Leaders of the MBAU

OOC: For god's sake, Avoya, you're a mercenary camp. not only is this highly unrealistic, you also don't ask for money?

How do you survive? By selling farm produce?

OOC: anemos, I am a conglomerate, where 100% of citizens have military training. However, we do have extensive hydroponics, and other farm goods, to sustain ourselves. to produce money we sell our research, business, and of course mercenaries. We are a large conglomerate (almost 1 billion citizens) and will not accept stupid criticism from a highly unresponsible, agresive nation such as yours.

we have tolerated your numerous insults during the problems in the mountains, were you threatened to massacre 300 men, on a peacekeeping mission, and your constant supply of spies, and submarines, who we have ignored, and neutralized.

We have not sent agressive troops into your country, and have offered to establish an embassy, which you have declined. We see no reason for your constant attacks, both political, verbal, economic and military against are nation, and hope to resolve this issue peacefully.

IC: We understand your hesitance to allow foreign troops into your country, and offer an alliance between our nations. in addition, any troops which you send to Avoya will be trained to the highest standards. If there is anything you would like, we are happy to supply it!

Lord George Flacker
Department of State

OOC: Actually Avoya, Anemos has an incredidly valid point. Using hydroponics and farms can only go so far. Hydroponics, due to their "unnatural" growth, tend to yield less produce than normal crops do when planted in natural soil. With 1 trillion citizens, feeding them and housing them would be also become overlaping concerns. As your population increases, the land to house them decreases. Eventually, towns will encroach upon farm land and overwhelm them, turning your country into one giant, urbanized city. As the nautral farmland decreases, your people will begin to rely more and more on hydroponics. However, as I stated above, hydroponics have a greatly decreased yield rate than natural crops, so it would continually take more and more of them to feed your ever growing population.

Now, onto your 100% military training rate. Off the bat, there is nothing wrong with this. One has simply to look at Israel. However, with 1 Trillion citizens as you've suggested, the cost to even poorly train each and everyone of your citizens would be unfathomably staggering, and would without a doubt result in the inevitable bankruptcy of your government.

OOC: anemos, I am a conglomerate, where 100% of citizens have military training. However, we do have extensive hydroponics, and other farm goods, to sustain ourselves. to produce money we sell our research, business, and of course mercenaries. We are a large conglomerate (almost 1 trillion citizens) and will not accept stupid criticism from a highly unresponsible, agresive nation such as yours.

we have tolerated your numerous insults during the problems in the mountains, were you threatened to massacre 300 men, on a peacekeeping mission, and your constant supply of spies, and submarines, who we have ignored, and neutralized.

We have not sent agressive troops into your country, and have offered to establish an embassy, which you have declined. We see no reason for your constant attacks, both political, verbal, economic and military against are nation, and hope to resolve this issue peacefully.

OOC: You're godmoding out the wazoo here, how people even RP with you is beyond me.

First is the 1 trillion population. Your NS page page says 983 million right now, a 1000% increase in population is absurd, even in FT where there is justification through use of various planets.

Second is all of them being military training. First of this, 15% of your population will be under 15 years old, and thus not completed training, nor capable of anything nessecary except human wave attacks in wars of attrition. Second, 15% of your population will be over 65, not useful in any kind of military or labour work, and growing less capable with every year.
This leaves 70% of your population for all work. And I do mean all work. Using hydroponics and the creative system Lyras does, you still get a sum total of "troops" avalible for anything military in nature, even mercenary. And then you have to pay for all of that. With so few in supprt industries, your GRPPC plummits to nothing, and now your troops won't pull in near enough work to cover themselves if they're that large an organisation, there is just not that much work.

And finally, your own signiture stats show two things. First, your military forces are composed half of boys and old men incapable of real use. And second, your GDPPC is something like $1.10 USD. Congrats, you have the lowest GDPPC I have ever seen by a factor of 250. Every RL country ever to exist on Earth has a better economy then you.

So yea, your nation is unrealistic, and godmoding. Have fun with that.

OOC: anemos, I am a conglomerate, where 100% of citizens have military training. However, we do have extensive hydroponics, and other farm goods, to sustain ourselves. to produce money we sell our research, business, and of course mercenaries. We are a large conglomerate (almost 1 trillion citizens) and will not accept stupid criticism from a highly unresponsible, agresive nation such as yours.

we have tolerated your numerous insults during the problems in the mountains, were you threatened to massacre 300 men, on a peacekeeping mission, and your constant supply of spies, and submarines, who we have ignored, and neutralized.

We have not sent agressive troops into your country, and have offered to establish an embassy, which you have declined. We see no reason for your constant attacks, both political, verbal, economic and military against are nation, and hope to resolve this issue peacefully.

IC: We understand your hesitance to allow foreign troops into your country, and offer an alliance between our nations. in addition, any troops which you send to Avoya will be trained to the highest standards. If there is anything you would like, we are happy to supply it!

Lord George Flacker
Department of State

OOC: Yeeahh.... Stupid, highly irresponsible... because I AM supposed to just let you invade my allies, right?

I'm sorry. next time I'll stand down all my forces and surrender to your nations, which, if I may add, cannot really exist.

You haven't sent troops into my country, true, you sent them into my ally's. The fact that your planes flew over MY aerospace illegally meant that I had every right to target you with AA weapons, and destroy you as well. I didn't because I am not as agressive as you say I am.

Spies and subs? I declare another bout of godmodding; the Imperial Fleet of Anemos Major is currently at DEFCON 1 (National Defence), and therefore has not passed through Anemonian waters. Our submarines are currently in dock, except for Strategic Missile Command, who have sent their subs into the Anemonian South Sea Island Chains. I never said that I sent spies NOR subs into your nation. The 45th Intelligence Battalion is a military unit, a part of Intelligence Command attached to the 1st Anemonian Army (stationed in Anemos Rei and the surrounding 1st Administrative Sector, in case you didn't know)

And anyways, this argument really doesn;t belong here, and I am sorry about this, AU. It's a valid point that needed clarification, and I am grateful that you haven't complained. If you agree to decline this offer of WMDs, we will quite happily help you to reorganise your army, and if you decide to accept another offer, we can reorganise your internal forces for you.

IC: The Holy Empire of Anemos Major suggests that the Anarchist Unions decline this offer of WMDs in exchange for a gift of forty Leclerc tanks from the Holy Empire of Anemos Major.

OOC: to Dostanuat Loj: I have corrected the typo about population. Also, I have not had time (I have a life) to create a store, but that is how I would get significant amounts of money. Sadly I am a bit rusty on hydroponics: I thought they were more efficient then regular methods.

Secondly, in the space issue, I am a mountanous region, so people live underground, so there is no issue there. The people have military training, and then go back to work, so aproximatly 75% of my troops (people between 20-50 years old, with training) are at work, and 7% are in ready status. that leaves a significant portion to work.

Also, troops in base conduct research, and upgrade equiptment, so they are almost self sufficient.

Basically, 15% of my population lives serperatly, and produces there own food ect.



Finally about GodModding, Anemos has undenaibly asked for help, I offered it, and he attacked my troops. there is nothing I did wrong. Five other nations did not recieve the same treatment. About the spies, Anemos (in real life) has stated that several times, so if he has not put it on the forum, then I retract the statement.

overall, I fail to see the problem.

I am sorry I cannot give billions of dollars like some people are, but my country is new and not extremely wealthy. When I read about your country though, I was extremely impressed, and I wanted to help. Using some of my countries natural supplies too, I have gathered up a donation. It may be small, but I hope it helps your military.

$600,000,000
100,000 rifle-swords
5-tons of Cesium
100,000 pistols

Hope it helps.
- The Democratic States of Denecaep

The Elected Leaders of the MBAU thank you for your kind donation. Every peace of equipment, regardless of size or number, is welcome in the defence of our homeland.

OOC: to Dostanuat Loj: I have corrected the typo about population. Also, I have not had time (I have a life) to create a store, but that is how I would get significant amounts of money. Sadly I am a bit rusty on hydroponics: I thought they were more efficient then regular methods.

Secondly, in the space issue, I am a mountanous region, so people live underground, so there is no issue there. The people have military training, and then go back to work, so aproximatly 75% of my troops (people between 20-50 years old, with training) are at work, and 7% are in ready status. that leaves a significant portion to work.

Also, troops in base conduct research, and upgrade equiptment, so they are almost self sufficient.

Basically, 15% of my population lives serperatly, and produces there own food ect.



Finally about GodModding, Anemos has undenaibly asked for help, I offered it, and he attacked my troops. there is nothing I did wrong. Five other nations did not recieve the same treatment. About the spies, Anemos (in real life) has stated that several times, so if he has not put it on the forum, then I retract the statement.

overall, I fail to see the problem.

OOC: Your godmoding is in the way you set up your country, I couldn't care less about how you interact with him or what issues you and other players have. To claim an entirely military population will destroy you economicly. At best you can do what Lyras does, where everyone is military in name and basic training only, and actual working standing forces are small in number. Otherwise you will collapse simply because you can not produce enough of anything, nor service things and people, to enough of a level. Likewise unless your entire country or somewhere just as gigantic is considered the "base", then you can not have huge ammount of population on base. And if it is, then your military complex is very poorly protected from simple espionage.

As, finally, to 7% of your military in ready status, that's a serious economic strain in and of itself. There is a reason very few RL armed forces (And no ones of nations with decent economies) are above 3%, and that is simple tax of manpower. It's commonly accecpted here that 5% is the maximum you can get for troops, ready and training, in a wartime footing with second-rate equipment and training. GMCMA has a good article about it in the stickies you should read.

OOC: Avoya, it's not worth arguing anymore. Your godmodding has been proven without a doubt by now.

OOC: fine, I am sorry I god Modded, but answer me this:

If all my citizens train every other weekend, with a platoon of other men from nearby villages, and one week a year is spent on bigger excercises, surely they would be well trained? and I now realize that it is impossibible to support a 7% military, but if 3% is off in other countries earning money, and 3% activly in base, with the last 1% training other citizens, I do not see a problem.

Agreed, though I would have to have a ridiculously large nation to support this, but look at china! with better organization, it could easily achieve what I am doing!

but in any case, I realize I am doing something wrong, so do you want me to change my nation? would you have me ruin my image, so you get a warm feeling in your belly? If necessary, I will change Avoya to simply an Armed republic, but Mercenary camp is much more entertaining, Role Playing wise!

OOC: I don't care what you do with your nation, and actual corporate entities in NS are always fun to have. But a national entity you cannot survive as. China, which you bring as an example, with the largest standing army in the world is still having shortages of skilled workers because the military competes with those jobs. In fact with their lowering birth rate (To be on par with the west) they've been worried for years about being unable to have enough people to fill their industries and still have a defence force a fraction of the size it is now (And is the primary driving factor for the last 30 years of Chinese military modernization with the goal towards a smaller force). The only bump thus seen in this trend has been the very very recent layoffs due to economic recession. There is no way China could be brought into a fully militarised nation without falling apart.

And no, every other weekend and a week a year is not well trained, it is barely reserve training. The capability of modern mercenary forces rests on their ability to act as a more elite force (And why they are all generally ex-Armed Forces anyway), that kind of force would be little better off then Iranian Infantry in 1987. Actually, probably worse off. Even RL nations put their reserve forces through (A notably acceclerated) a full training course before they are employed in war. And they generally see more training (CF Reservists undergo 2-3 months of training on top of their reserve training before being deployed anywhere, when they're deployed).

If you want a "nation" (Personally I see it more workable as a corporate entity) based entirely on the concept of a mercenary group, you're still going to need support structures, support industries, and all that. There are all kinds of ways to go about it on NS, from having a low "population" (Or rather, workforce) and being based in another country, to being the corporate leader of a nation (Some do this, they just RP the vast majority of their nation's population as support, but the "government" is the corporation in control). But a nation of any modern capability, of any decent size, where everyone is a mercenary can not work out of purely economic reasons. What you call your nation means nothing, it's how it actually works.

To: The Anarchist Unions
From: The High Inquisitor of The Inquisitorius

We would be glad to assist a small, but growing nation, in the hopes that you will continue to regard us as your comrades if you need assistance.

In light of this, we have decided to give you two gifts.
The first one is a lump sum of 100,000,000,000 pounds, which may be used at your discretion.

The other one, if you choose to accept it, is the services of 5 members of "The Orginisation". They are a group of elite assassins, who may help to stop anyone in your country who you think is getting to powerful.

To Dostanuot Log,

I realize it is a hard sell, but it is what I want. Obviously it was better when I had 100 Million, but it is still possible. If every one objects to much, then I will simply change from mercenary camp to wannabe mercenary camp.....

To Dostanuot Log,

I realize it is a hard sell, but it is what I want. Obviously it was better when I had 100 Million, but it is still possible. If every one objects to much, then I will simply change from mercenary camp to wannabe mercenary camp.....

OOC: If population you feel is your only issue to keeping a corporate entity, then ignore your NS page population and RP lower. While many (If not everyone) will bitch if you RP a higher population, very few will complain if you RP lower.

OOC: If population you feel is your only issue to keeping a corporate entity, then ignore your NS page population and RP lower. While many (If not everyone) will bitch if you RP a higher population, very few will complain if you RP lower.


OOC: Fine, so it works, I have a pop of 100 Mill, and I am a mercenary camp. this equates to 25 Mill soldiers, and 75 agricultural, and research men.

what do you think of this?

OOC: I'm sure you'll stick to those statistics (extreme sarcasm IS intended)

Now, let's stop spamming this thread!

We at the nerv arms conglomerate would like to help you in any way we can we have the resources of a much larger nation we specialise in secret government science research and we are now selling the fruits of our labor we will provide you with
5 nuclear fusion power plants http://library.thinkquest.org/2763/media/Plant(K).gif
4 EVA's(the purple one see pic) http://www.sfondideldesktop.com/Images-Toon/Neon-Genesis-Evangelion/Neon-Genesis-Evangelion-0005/Neon-Genesis-Evangelion-0005.jpg
12 N2 bombs (different variants)nerv's most powerful conventional weapon. It has the power and strength of a nuclear arsenal but produces no radiation. N2 stands for Non-Nuclear.
a super high power positron rifle for use with the eva'shttp://miotd.com/images/20080309.post.jpg
1245 land mates http://www.tohokingdom.com/images/anime/asm/landmate_01.jpg
6 heavy transport crafthttp://a1112.g.akamai.net/7/1112/492/20040528/www.wired.com/wired/archive/12.08/images/ST_28_darpa1_f.jpg
all in camo
these are all super weapons so use them well

we will also support you with pilots trained to use these weapons
and we will ad this bonus offer of 12 luxury"demisis"hover cars all the equipment will be transported to the AU by our means
we will set up the needed equipment and buildings to maintain the weapons and then leave

OOC: i hate to say it, but how exactly do your EVA's work?!They, and their super high power blah blah blah rifle look like something out of a futuristic anime. Also, did Aenemos Major not already point out that selling WMD's to such a small nation is a bad idea?

look like something out of a futuristic anime.

ooc as they are,they from Neon-Genesis-Evangelion

Communication to all Nations from the Telz Empire.

Nations being comprised of or willing to allow a private military(s) to operate uninhibited please identify these corporations to us.

In return for a one time donation of: one full training year of ammunition, one Division (75,000) of light infantry weapons (http://www.nekomagic.com/figure_news/200810/hottoys_appleseed08.jpg) to include the highly specialized attachments, armored personnel carriers (http://team-res.alteredpast.com/Portals/0/QuakeWars/Vehicles/h-trojan.png) complete with defensive weapons systems (10,000), three TELPEX drop ships (http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2349/2232004518_aa9047b4da.jpg?v=0) with full compliments of weapons and one years fuel and maintenance, and one TEL-L.FL. (http://team-res.alteredpast.com/Portals/0/QuakeWars/Vehicles/h-MCP.jpg)TELZ-L.FL. Heavy Armored Mobile command center to "Lead from the Front-line".

All this in exchange for one military action per year designated by the Telz Immortal Soldiery for no longer than one 14 month period maximum. (Additional donations maybe offered if the contractor chooses to extend its contract.)

Please contact Overlord Khaine of the Empire of Telz in regard to any transactions, unions, or military actions on behalf or in support of the Telz Empire. The reply should be swift and concise.

OOC: i hate to say it, but how exactly do your EVA's work?!They, and their super high power blah blah blah rifle look like something out of a futuristic anime. Also, did Aenemos Major not already point out that selling WMD's to such a small nation is a bad idea?
In short, "why power-armors fail so hard" in a "hard-science" RPs which are commonplace on NS.

Though there are a number of soft-tech* RPers or RP crossovers out there, but then you'd have to deal with zombies and the like...

*Opera-style, where technology really shouldn't matter (Romeo+Juliet movie, anyone?), "good" RPers decide in advance who wins**, crazy/experianced ones play by ear and just pwn themselves. The bad ones just wave incoherent techno-babble and deny the possability of losing.

**Yeah, there are liberal amounts of kay-fabe in war RPs here...

Thus how a person can walk into a gunfight naked and win...
BTW, your green epidermis is showing. New er... best friend

Ooc: Wtf?

In short, "why power-armors fail so hard" in a "hard-science" RPs which are commonplace on NS.

Though there are a number of soft-tech* RPers or RP crossovers out there, but then you'd have to deal with zombies and the like...

*Opera-style, where technology really shouldn't matter (Romeo+Juliet movie, anyone?), "good" RPers decide in advance who wins**, crazy/experianced ones play by ear and just pwn themselves. The bad ones just wave incoherent techno-babble and deny the possability of losing.

**Yeah, there are liberal amounts of kay-fabe in war RPs here...

Thus how a person can walk into a gunfight naked and win...
BTW, your green epidermis is showing. New er... best friend
OOC: I'll see if I can break it down "Hard Science" means factual. In an RPG of this genre; there are no warp drives, beam weapons, or power armor. What you see today or close to today is what you get.
"Soft Tech" Allows things like this but it depends on how the game is structured and when it is set. It sometimes makes for pretty boring game play with posts like this NInJia: So i bust in the dorr with my shotty adn us the lasr gidded rounds to drop two zombyz What our extremely well educated friend NInJia I think is trying to say is that his shotgun shells are laser guided. Squishy Tech. Opera is well, pretty lame in my opinion. Unless it's conducted by the "GM" and no one knows their fate ahead of time then it can be ok, but it depends on the "GM".
As for the kay-fabe... Not a clue.
Hope that helps!
I also hope I didn't just tell a total expert on RP's all that.

We wish to donate 10 USG-9s, (WARNING: USG-9s SHOULD ONLY BE USED IN ARTILLERY EMPLACEMENTS OR BY 300-POUND BODYBUILDERS LYING PRONE.) 190,000 M4s and 60,000,000,000 (Sixty Billion) Standard Dollars.

OOC:Unless it's conducted by the "GM" and no one knows their fate ahead of time then it can be ok, but it depends on the "GM".
As for the kay-fabe... Not a clue.
Hope that helps!
I also hope I didn't just tell a total expert on RP's all that.
The stuff I cut out is pretty close.

There are no real GMs, the fun part of Jolt:NS forums is it tends to be "self-moderating", partly due to ettiquette, also due to the poorly lopsided mod to player ratio. Leading to some very heavy-handed moderation when it ever comes to it.

So, to totally eliminate the middle-man, it boils down to:
1- Attack whith whatever you want, but you cannot decide the outcome, ever*
2- The defender gets to decide what your weapons does, and if it looks too wanky to them, it could very-well blow up in your hands...

Ultimately, if both sides don't like taking losses, battles quickly devolve into epic pillow-fights (because you borked each other's bayonets) until one side or the other can no longer BS a way out of getting pwned.**

*Although you can insert what its hyped capabilities are as what the shooter expects the gun to do.
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The other is that the final outcome of every battle is pre-determined, making the posts a blank-check for artistic license.

**Example: (and yes, this was actually in an RP, though I'm paraphrasing it)

P1-I attack your base
P2- I shoot you with my M-16
P1-My men wearz dragonskinz, your gunz do nothing
P2- Boom... headshot...
P1- Suppressive Fire!!!!
P2- I'm in a trench, yo...
P1- My tanks and artillery will pwn joo!!!!
P2- My base is static, I have bigger gun, now say hello to my little friend...

*Fires a 12" cannon loaded with canister (think uber-goober shotgun)* (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=11230702)

P1- Ouch, over-compensating much? Oh well, we all dead, time to send in wave #2
P2- Oh horse-shit... I can't believe I died for this war...
P1- You've just been sarge'd... Now time to teabag and retreat...

10 USG-9s, (WARNING: USG-9s SHOULD ONLY BE USED IN ARTILLERY EMPLACEMENTS OR BY 300-POUND BODYBUILDERS LYING PRONE.)
Sounds familiar... (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=10796159&postcount=15)
Yeah, after encountering PAs for awhile, I found some work-arounds...

we have had a recent council reshuffle and our current board of sales wishes the technology projects are not sold or given to anyone so we now only give the AU
100 AC130 gunships
50 V-22 ospreys
500 type 90 tanks
1 N2 cruse missile
50 nuclear fission power plants
30 fully equipped APC's
6 heavy transport craft
2 aircraft carriers
950 fully trained special forces soldiers
and full back up in case your force dies

we will need something in return...
approx 80square KM of land
also the Eva's are basically giant humans with the brain removed and a super computer and cockpit installed instead it also has some very complicated nerve control systems so the pilot's don't have controls the Eva becomes there body the Eva's Armor serves as a control mechanism as well as Armor the EVA has a tendency to go berserk whitch is why we are no longer offering it

Due to the new Army reforms, many reserve tanks are to be totally withdrawn from service and are to be disposed of. We are willing to donate approximately 4,500 T-55A tanks, all of which contain their original equipment. Their condition varies from never used to a state past their recommended service life. Because of this, we have no doubt that some will be cannibalized for spare parts.