NationStates Jolt Archive

Orginal Thread, all prospected jury members please read to page 9 and last two pages (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=571673&page=1)

New Flash to all nations
Aelita (and her various generals) of Mewsland has been detained for numerous and hideous crimes during the event that shall now be called The Mewsland Incident. A partial list is
At least one count of crime against peace and unlawful destruction of a (maybe dully elected) government (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=14179383&postcount=1)
many counts of war crimes
At least one count of mass murder and coercion (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=14188169&postcount=13)
with a list provided later
At least one count of 2nd degree murder (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=14188176&postcount=14)
Unlawful possession of nuclear missiles and launch of said weapons (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=14191076&postcount=27)
with intent to fire more (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=14191110&postcount=29)
Conformation of nuclear weapons (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=14191120&postcount=30) and 2nd example of nukes (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=14191306&postcount=42)
Ordered Mass Murdering of unarmed citizens(at least at this point they should be) (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=14191175&postcount=34)
Use of god like powers (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=14191185&postcount=35)
also 2nd example (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=14191251&postcount=38) (not technically a crime but still)
Purchasing of highly illegal and dangerous cyanogen chlorine (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=14204342&postcount=87), Tranmittion of order (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=14204508&postcount=89), amount ordered (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=14204508&postcount=89)
Probable Destruction of Civilian Nuclear Power Plant, still under heavy investigation (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=14208836&postcount=102)
Possible Breach of World Assembly Resolution #9, due to the force joining/support of Aelita government (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=13835796&postcount=11)



As these crimes are both hideous and of an (inter)national scope, The Chazakain Supreme Court feels that the jury must be international in scope too. And as such we are requesting an additional 4 jury members(there will be 4 plus a rep from Chazaka, Mewsland,New Kereptica, Falkasia and Korintar if they do not send a rep we will take additional jury members, The Chazakain Chief Justice will be proceeding.

(occ: I'm looking for 4 members of jury, 1(or 2) defense councilor and 1(or 2) prosecutor for a trail thread in a couple days.

form to use is as follows

Nation Name:
Nation's Form of Government:
Nation Rep's Name:
Rep's Normal Job:
Rep's Bio:
Applying for: (jury, defense,etc)
Other: Anything else you wish to declare before the court

note it won't be a first come first serve type of thing so keep posting even if more than 4 people have signed up.
note2: This will take the place of the occ for the trail thread once we have enough jury members.
note3: To limit it some want I'd prefer that your nation have greater than a 100 million members and/or you've rped in more than 2 threads lasting longer than 4 pages

Jury Members:
Chazakain:Themis O'Beal
Falkasiain:?
New Kerepticain: Lester Kuebler
Mewslander: Thrown Out
Korintar:?
Allied States of Gun Manufacturers: Jameson Reed
3 others

Prosecution:
Chazakain: Miss Poena
New Kereptica: Lawrence Vipperman
Falkasiain: Vassili Korolov
New Greston:?

Defense:
Beatus: Gregory Jefferson Whethersbee III
New Greston:?
Mew II/Aelita?
2 others

Attached to the news flash was a sub heading of the following;
Chazaka's Rep will be:

Nation Rep's Name: Themis O'Beal
Rep's Normal Job: Lawyer, 3rd year in the field
Rep's Bio: Themis has been a defense councilor for the past 3 years in one of Chazaka largest company for such things, after hearing about the war in Mewsland, he volunteered to be part of the eventual trail(s) since he could not volunteer to serve in other ways because of a war injury that had left his left leg paralyzed from the knee down.
Applying for: Jury

We will also be supplying one member of the prosecution, a Miss Poena.

Nation Name: The Great Republic of Falkasia
Nation's Form of Government: Orwellian/Benevolent Dictatorship/Communistic (All depends on my mood, lol)
Nation Rep's Name: Vassili Korolov
Rep's Normal Job: Sub-Justice of the Ministry of Justice
Rep's Bio: Appointed Sub-Justice after his predecessor resigned, Vassili has served his country for almost 5 years. He is responsible for multiple laws that increase punishment for criminals, as well as special facilities to rehabilitate other. During his time in office, crime in Falkasia has dropped a staggering 5.7%.

Nation Name: Allied States of New Kereptica
Nation's Form of Government: Constitutional representative democracy
Nation Rep's Name: Lester Kuebler
Rep's Normal Job: Assistant to Chief Justice, New Kereptecean National Court (equivalent to US supreme court)
Rep's Bio: Kuebler has worked for over 7 years as the assistant to the Chief Justice, and is currently one of those proposed to replace the recently retired Justice Sharon Waters.

Both are accepted(do'h) and all new apps please add what your applying for in your post

OOC: Sorry. So i'm in the jury then?

Will do.

occ I'd assume so, if no one posts for prosecutor or defense in 26 hours you and/or Falkasia can be in that too. Also did i miss any crimes Aelita may or may not have committed?

Side note we will be using several of the rules from This (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=13835887&postcount=15)

Nation Name: The Beauts
Nation's Form of Government: Totalitarian Democracy
Nation Rep's Name: Gregory Jefferson Whethersbee III
Rep's Normal Job: Chief Legal Adviser to the President
Rep's Bio: Gregory Jefferson has tried a few cases, all of which he has won. He has a Eidetic memory, and is well versed in most legal terms and statues. He is young, hard working, and ready to prove himself.
Applying for: Prosecution
Other: Mr. Whethersbee is only 16 years old, however, has earned a full degree in Law from Blessed University, and is a member of the Beatusian Bar Association.

Poena welcomes Gregory Jefferson Whethersbee III to the Prosecution team and has given him copies of all of the charges against Aelita and her generals(darn knew i forget someone/thing)

OOC: Actually, since you mention that it is a team, do you mind if I join the prosecution? If it is OK with the Beatus of course.

yes you can send a member for the team,(i guess Falkai can too, no one else can though :p) You'll need to fill out a new form though.(since you have an automatic jury member)

Will do. Consider that Justice guy as a Prosecutor.

I'll post a new one for my jury members.

If needed, I could switch to Defense, as you already have so many for the prosecution.

OOC: OK


Nation Name: Allied States of New Kereptica

Nation's Form of Government: Constitutional representative democracy

Nation Rep's Name: Lawrence Vipperman

Rep's Normal Job: District Attorney for the city of Kaara

Rep's Bio: "In the Criminal Justice System, the people are represented by two separate, yet equally important groups: the police who investigate crime, and the District Attorneys who prosecute the offenders. These are their stories." (I watch too much Law & Order :D) Lawrence Vipperman has been an attorney in the city courts of Kaara for over 15 years. In his time, he has prosecuted on hundreds of cases. He is one of the most respected in his field, and was a natural choice for this position.

Applying for: (jury, defense,etc) Prosecution

occ
The more the merry, but its up to you beatus

Poena welcomes the new members to the Prosecution team.

Double post...?

CHAZAKA! The trial is over! Didn't you hear the World Court's statement? (btw... New Kereptica... it does exist, it was formed during the Mewsland Incident but kept under wraps until after the war.)
All of a sudden a voice rang out: The President of the World Court.


After much deliberation, we hereby clear Mew II of all charges to be brought and Aelita is cleared of all but one: That bloody coup which started the war. Of which charge we hereby sentence Aelita to fifteen years jail time or house arrest at Chazaka's discretion. NO DEBATES. Comply within one hour.

Erm...godmod on the world court? Unless it was a Mewsland legal entity of course, in which case it is not a godmod but this trial still stands.

That is does.

Well, now that that is cleared up...

On with justice!

Unfortunately, it said no debates and comply within one hour. I have recently heard that if the prosecution does not comply, severe sanctions will be brought onto the countries which are taking part in the jury and prosecution.

Mewsland, you are not making it any easier for yourself. If you continue taking the aggressive stance, and you'll get a whole 'nother conflict brought down upon you.

Sanctions? By whom? On what authority?

Well, I'm on the defense, so no sanctions for me, unless you want to lose, that is.

I right now am not the one taking the aggressive stance, that would befall Chazaka, I merely am relaying a message right now.

I ask again. Sanctions by whom?

OOC: I can't make an IC post but I want to be a defense attorney and a prosecution attorney.

New Kereptica, I can't be certain. I would ask the world court.

There is no international entity called the world court.

Didn't you read post 19?

So what. All that implies is that it is a Mewsland legal body, and therefor has no power in these proceedings. If it is an international body, then would the members kindly present themselvs?

Yea, but that is not an International Entity. In order for something to become an International Entity, it must be comprised of other nations, as well as ratified by a certain percentage of the world's nations. There must also be a trial, like the one we are having here, which will be comprised of other said member nations, and not a puppet of your nation.

On a side note, if it is an International Entity, it would not have been concealed during the "Mewsland Conflict." This right here, as well as the godmod that came from the "World Court's President," makes it null and void.

Finally, they can try this case, and pass judgment on it, whether you like it or not. You don't even have to show up, it's still going to happen. Unless you wish to invade the nations doing it, though that would only be worse for your nation.

Also, remember, I'm on your side, the first thing we will do, is attempt to get this thrown out on many reasons, which to discuss at this time, would be reveling trial strategy.

Lol, The Beatus is a defense lawyer? I'm glad I got tickets, lol!

Orginal Thread, all prospected jury members please read to page 9 and last two pages (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=571673&page=1)

New Flash to all nations
Aelita (and her various generals) of Mewsland has been detained for numerous and hideous crimes during the event that shall now be called The Mewsland Incident. A partial list is


As these crimes are both hideous and of an (inter)national scope, The Chazakain Supreme Court feels that the jury must be international in scope too. And as such we are requesting an additional 4 jury members(there will be 4 plus a rep from Chazaka, Mewsland,New Kereptica, Falkasia and Korintar if they do not send a rep we will take additional jury members, The Chazakain Chief Justice will be proceeding.

(occ: I'm looking for 4 members of jury, 1(or 2) defense councilor and 1(or 2) prosecutor for a trail thread in a couple days.

form to use is as follows

Nation Name:
Nation's Form of Government:
Nation Rep's Name:
Rep's Normal Job:
Rep's Bio:
Applying for: (jury, defense,etc)
Other: Anything else you wish to declare before the court

note it won't be a first come first serve type of thing so keep posting even if more than 4 people have signed up.
note2: This will take the place of the occ for the trail thread once we have enough jury members.
note3: To limit it some want I'd prefer that your nation have greater than a 100 million members and/or you've rped in more than 2 threads lasting longer than 4 pages

Jury Members:
Chazakain:Themis O'Beal
Falkasiain:Vassili Korolov
New Kerepticain:Lester Kuebler
Mewslander:
Korintar:
4 others

Prosecution:
Chazakain: Miss Poena
Beatus: Gregory Jefferson Whethersbee III
1 other

Defense:
Mewland Defense Lawyer
2 others

As a completely neutral party, with no prior knowledge of the incident at hand, the ASoGM would like to send a representative to be a juror.

Nation Name: Allied States of Gun Manufacturers
Nation's Form of Government: Inoffensive Centrist Democracy
Nation Rep's Name: Jameson Reed
Rep's Normal Job: Lead Council for the ASoGM Defense Re-utilization and Marketing Service
Rep's Bio: Jameson Reed is a 43 year old caucasian male who attended Remington Law School
Applying for: (jury, defense,etc) Jury
Other: Anything else you wish to declare before the court: Jameson Reed is more than capable of being impartial, due to having no prior knowledge of the incident or case currently at hand.

OOC: I'd apply, except I'm heavily biased and feel it best for me to recuse myself.

OOC: Biased? Bah. I was directly involved in the conflict and I got a guy in the jury!

note the mewsland jury member has been kicked out due to reasons of general insanity in her/his country's government


bloody hell, making up world courts, making sisters that are half alien, making ships that can move greater than air to surface missiles

And the trail will start continue, just without Mewsland for the foreseeable future.

Chaos in Aelita Trail
The Mewsland Government today declared that Aelita is some how a half human, half something else hybrid after this and several other outburst from their representative in the jury, all diplomatic contact between the two nations has been cut, the rep has been sent to a chazakain insane clinic and the military forces surrounding capital have been ordered to start bombardment with their i.g.n.o.r.e howitzers on the general insanity that is the Mewsland's senate and presidency

Other
All jurors and other lawyers have been accepted will be editing op soon.

occ edit, and yeah i accidentally double posted in a puppet, internet was messing up for some reason. I'll take that out soon.

OOC: My current opinion is that nuclear annihilation, or at least a series of kinetic strikes is warranted in this situation. Too much God mode and the like.

Edit: Her name is Aelita, not Aelisha

Yes, I most wholeheartedly agree. I would love to see my weapons in action, lol!

I've got some subs that are just itching to launch their ICBMs ;)

occ
one more godmode and i say mewsland will be acquainted with Mr. Vader

http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/31jNaUKeIzL._SL500_AA270_.jpg

and if he can't drive the point home, then i'll pull out my troops and we can fire all weapons!

IC
Chazaka is putting out calls for 2 more defense lawyers and 3 more jurors.

Targeting a country with nuclear weapons would be mass murder of at least 30 million people.

How would THAT compare with just 15?

Well, since the Mewsland Armed Forces have already deployed one nuclear weapon, threatened the use of others, as well as the use of some generic doomsday device, in a declared war, there is certainly legal grounds for a retalitory WMD strike, should someone choose to conduct one.

I have seen nations nuked on NS for far less. And the nations that conducted those attacks have not lost any (or much) respect or prestige, nor have they (I'm sure) lost any sleep over their actions.

OCC/IC
and your reps have been ousted from the courtroom, your capitals communications have been cut and your government's centers have been bombarded back to the stone age so stop disrupting this trail jury processes or I'll hold you in contempt.

Also
since they're alien they don't count :p
j/k for anyone dumb enough to think i was serious

30 million dead, yes. 30 million innocent dead? No.

First of all, I wish to make a formal compliant about the general badgering of my client, and second of all, if any nations initiate nuclear strikes against my clients nation, they will be facing a civil lawsuit. I warn you, the papers will be drawn up, and on your respective desks, before the missiles even reach their destinations.

Aww come on Beatus. Join the fun! Don't be such a party pooper all the time.

OOC: Yes, that was an in-context, in-court statement.

Aww come on Beatus. Join the fun! Don't be such a party pooper all the time.

OOC: Yes, that was an in-context, in-court statement.

Call me that again, and I'll slap you with a slander suit so fast you won't even know what hit you.

The prosecution withdraws the claim that the Beatus is a "party pooper", despite clear evidence.

Your honor, I motion that the charges be dropped, as the prosecutions case is based on hearsay and circumstantial evidence.

We have direct evidence for every single charge!

Really? Most of the evidence I have seen, is second hand accounts from rebels seeking support, which is not reliable at all.

The Government of Salzland is willing to provide satellite telemetry and photographs confirming that the nuclear missiles launched in this conflict was deployed from a base under the control of Mewsland Revolutionary Forces, under the leadership of Aelita. Additionally, the Government of Salzland is willing to make available communications intercepts indicating that Aelita had direct knowledge of not only the first attempted nuclear attacks, but additional follow-up attacks she ordered prepared.

OOC: And you know that the God-Modes and other abuses have to be bad, if I'm seriously considering nuclear strikes.

Edited because I read through the thread again, and realized that Mewsland actually launched two nuclear missiles, not one (as I originally believed).

OOC: And you know that the God-Modes and other abuses have to be bad, if I'm seriously considering nuclear strikes.
ooc this is a side we never seen of you :p

and what with bring in WA to this seeing breaking the WA rules happen hell of lot

We are in possession of a direct audio recording of one of her bodyguards killing a helpless resistance member. This is murder through an accomplace.

We have intercepted a transmission that shows that Aelita purchased, with an intent to use, cyanogen chloride.

Only ONE rocket was launched, the other was knocked into the sea by Chazakain aircraft.

A sudden explosion as Aelita's missile gets knocked into the nearby Sea of Mews. Fortunately the water shielded the island from the nuclear fallout. "Get another missile ready!" Aelita barked through her radio system.

OOC: Surely the logical fallacy of that argument is obvious. How can a missile travel from a silo to the open ocean, then detonate, without being launched?

There is a difference between the missile being intercepted and detonated pre-maturely, and the missile never being launched. If the missile had never been launched, it would've still been sitting in its silo waiting to be used, rather than (as you noted) being destroyed by Chazaka's aircraft in mid-flight. Hence, Aelita launched two nuclear missiles, only one (apparently) striking its intended target.

No no no. The missiles leave the silo three minutes prior to launch to that the silo is not damaged.

OOC: Let me see if I get this straight, then. The missile left the silo, somehow magically moved from the silo to the middle of the ocean, then was intercepted by Chazaka's aircraft, yet the missile was never actually launched? By definition of the verb 'launch' alone, this is an impossible situation.

Launch (Verb)- To set or thrust (a self-propelled craft or projectile) in motion: launch a rocket; launch a torpedo.

So, yes, the second missile was 'launched' by sheer virtue of the fact that it was set in motion from its silo, travelled an indeterminate distance under its own propulsion, and was finally intercepted and destroyed.

Edited to add that my definition for 'launch' is cited from the American Heritage Dictionary

Wow. Mewsland silos have a launchpad above them. Both the silo and the launchpad (not the missile itself) move the missile onto the launchpad. Note that it is supposed to be an ICBM. We can't spare its fuel to get it on the launchpad.

Conceeding that this is in no way how actual nuclear missile silos function, the fact remains that the missile exploded in/over the ocean, not on the 'launch pad.' Unless the Government of Mewsland somehow magically came up with tens of billions of dollars (if not more) to first invent the concept for, then design and finally construct a sub-oceanic missile silo and launch facility.

OOC: Mewsland, let me ask you this. Was the missile in the air when they were intercepted? If so, then at some point they were launched. Whether from the silo (like just about every other nation does) or from a launch pad.

Only ONE rocket was launched, the other was knocked into the sea by Chazakain aircraft.

Whispered: Your not helping our case.

Okay, we are not going to deny the events my client is being charged with, occurred, however, we do assert, that at the time, my client was not in her right mind, which I believe is clearly evident from the evidence the prosecution has presented.

How can you be sure what mind is right? If the evidence provided by the Mewsland government is accurate, Aelita is not even human.

How can you be sure what mind is right? If the evidence provided by the Mewsland government is accurate, Aelita is not even human.

If you wish to argue that she is not human, than I will argue that this case should be thrown out, on the fact, that being a non-sentient being, she is not fit to stand trial.

Non sentient? Who said anything about her being non sentient? Are you such a bigot that you assume there can be no other intelligent life other then humans?

Also, this is a war crimes case. It doesn't matter that she is not human, and the case cannot be thrown out because of it.

OOC: Milosevic was tried by the UN, not Serbia. It is only fitting that Aelita, though not human, should stand trial as a human because of crimes she committed against humans.

The missile was NOT in the air when intercepted. There were still 2 minutes 17 seconds to launch time.

OOC: Then how did the second missile go from the silo/launch pad to the middle of the ocean? Did it just walk there?

Honestly, admitting firing two nuclear missiles instead of just one is not going to make that much of a difference.

The missile got knocked off the launch pad (the pads are on Mewsland Coasts.

OOC: Fine. In real life that wouldn't be possible, because the water table would be too close to the surface, so the missile silo would've had water seepage which would most likely have destroyed the missile (especially if a strong storm/ hurricane came through and flooded it), but since this is NS, fine.

OOC: Sorry for my absence.

The Falkasian Prosecutor stood up, asking for permission to speak. It was granted, and he approached the Bar to face the opposition.

"Aelita," Vassili said, pointing in the direction of the accused, "Continues to change her story over and over again regarding the missile placemnet. With so many contradictions, it should be apparent that what she says cannot be trusted, as it is clearly and blatantly a lie."

Mew II clearly objected and was allowed to speak. "We have had her on a lie detector this whole time. A very small one, and unnoticeable, but yes, a lie detector. She has not lied once yet."

"Right, and that right there is why we shouldn't trust either of them Your Honor," the Falkasian said once more. "There are no 'lie detectors' small enough to fit on a person and remain unnoticed. Furthermore, if there was such a device, where is it feeding too, hmmm? Who says you aren't manipulating the data?"

Vassili took up a more aggressive stance, this time facing the jury and defense.

"On a side note, since there are no 'lie detecting' devices small enough to fit unnoticed on a person as I stated a few moments ago, the Mew is clearly lying. This, without a doubt is evidence enough that what they say is not trustworthy!"

OOC: I thought the actual trial was being conducted in another thread, and this one was solely for picking jurors?

OOC: For my prosecution guy it will be Frances J. Bennet. For the defense attorney it will be James Lewis P. Bevan. I'll make a post later. Any way, is this still on?

It is feeding to a neutral third party. And Mewsland has invented such a device.

*cough* yet another godmod *cough*

*cough* such a device would not be admissible in this court *cough*

OOC: I'm backing out of this for the time being, because I'm on the verge of declaring war. This is getting too outrageous for me.

OOC: Same here. The big red button I installed on my computer desk is blinking and tempting me to push it.

And on the topic of the lie detectors Mewsland, of course you have. You've also created the World Court, delivered a phony verdict, and similar acts of that nature.

Only ONE rocket was launched, the other was knocked into the sea by Chazakain aircraft.

heh? I had no aircraft in that area! not to mention the near physical impossibly of even trying that and i warned you Mews about god modding < and V
Mew II clearly objected and was allowed to speak. "We have had her on a lie detector this whole time. A very small one, and unnoticeable, but yes, a lie detector. She has not lied once yet."
this is godmodding in several ways
1 You had your person be called apound from either my judge, which i would not allow or you just violated several warnings i gave you and you are now effectively banned from the court room.
2. You magically come up with a device; that we the prosecution would have been very much liked to know about.
3. My security would be put on the highest alert when dealing with Aelita/Mews II and so anything out of the ordinary on her person would have been noticed at once!
4.You may fire when ready (http://static.howstuffworks.com/gif/death-star-7.jpg)
:)
OOC: I thought the actual trial was being conducted in another thread, and this one was solely for picking jurors?
Yeah this was suppose to be and for general occ during the trail but since we've already started *shrug*

OOC: Then let's hit it, lol! Maybe we should execute both Mew and Aelita with the dreaded I.G.N.O.R.E. Firing Squad.

i'll go withdrawl my forces, then bombs away in http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=571673&page=1

Muwahahaha!!! Muwhahahaha!!! Time for some.... fire!!!! Muwhahahaha!!!!

OOC: Sorry for my absence.

The Falkasian Prosecutor stood up, asking for permission to speak. It was granted, and he approached the Bar to face the opposition.

"Aelita," Vassili said, pointing in the direction of the accused, "Continues to change her story over and over again regarding the missile placemnet. With so many contradictions, it should be apparent that what she says cannot be trusted, as it is clearly and blatantly a lie."

"Is it a lie, or did she crack under the intense pressure that the prosecution placed on her during interagation, denying her an attorney, I might add.

Mew II clearly objected and was allowed to speak. "We have had her on a lie detector this whole time. A very small one, and unnoticeable, but yes, a lie detector. She has not lied once yet."

Whispered: please, stop talking, you are only hurting the case. Let me handle it, you don't have to say anything, and as your attorney, I recommend you do not.

"Right, and that right there is why we shouldn't trust either of them Your Honor," the Falkasian said once more. "There are no 'lie detectors' small enough to fit on a person and remain unnoticed. Furthermore, if there was such a device, where is it feeding too, hmmm? Who says you aren't manipulating the data?"

Vassili took up a more aggressive stance, this time facing the jury and defense.

"On a side note, since there are no 'lie detecting' devices small enough to fit unnoticed on a person as I stated a few moments ago, the Mew is clearly lying. This, without a doubt is evidence enough that what they say is not trustworthy!"

"The simple fact that, you have never seen a lie detector that small, does not disprove it's existence. I bet you've never seen my mother, does that mean she doesn't exist? Also, the fact of whether or not such a device exists is not on trial here."

"Is it a lie, or did she crack under the intense pressure that the prosecution placed on her during interagation, denying her an attorney, I might add.
"

We gave the defendant the right to chose any defense lawyer of her choice at our expense if we lost this trail. Un/fortunately she did not accept at that time. We again offered her a choice of any lawyer and were again shot down.We stopped trying after that point and proceeding down this road that now lies before us.

"The simple fact that, you have never seen a lie detector that small, does not disprove it's existence. I bet you've never seen my mother, does that mean she doesn't exist? Also, the fact of whether or not such a device exists is not on trial here."
But the fact that it got past our highest security and that she's been under arrest for the past 5 days with no physical contact with anyone else in that time raises serve concerns in Chazaka. Also if there so happens to be such a device it was undeclared before this court was started and as such should have no effect on it. We even wish to go so far as requesting that Mews II statement be expunged from the record and we can carry on with this trail.

Whispered to the Beatus: Oh wow. Now chazaka is blatently lying. Aelita was never offered an attorney. We were lucky you stepped in!

By the way Chazaka. Mass genocide of thirty-six million people would be far worse than the crimes you are trying Aelita for now. I might add that Mewsland is geologically unstable, firing your WMDS at it could cause the entire planet to head into a massive earthquake far beyond anything man has seen. Mewsland would be a single island, as it was at one point, not fifty-two if this were not true.

By the way Chazaka. Mass genocide of thirty-six million people would be far worse than the crimes you are trying Aelita for now. I might add that Mewsland is geologically unstable, firing your WMDS at it could cause the entire planet to head into a massive earthquake far beyond anything man has seen. Mewsland would be a single island, as it was at one point, not fifty-two if this were not true.

OMG really?! We must stop everything at once!
*sarcasm*


Judge:
Beatus: Your client is getting increasingly close to being thrown out of this courtroom, one more outburst like this and you're through. For now I only hold her and her sister in content but this is your last warning.

Really? A single island chain subject to a few nuclear strikes causing a massive, planet altering earthquake? I don't even need a degree to say that is completely and utterly impossible.

I would like to remind Chazaka, that the people of Mewsland are not on trial, the two people in this room are. To take your aggression out on the people, for something you accuse the leaders of doing, is not a good idea. Should you launch WMD on Mewsland, I will proceed with a lawsuit against your nation. Your issue is with the people in this room, not the people in Mewsland.

Thank you beatus. BTW, only ONE person in here is on trial. I am merely bearing witness, as Chazaka requested.

You will give up Aelita up for a war crimes trail and Mew II as witness to this trail
(A Rogue Acts, Post 181)

No. Two people are. If you read the thread, Aelita and Mew II are both on trial.

Really? A single island chain subject to a few nuclear strikes causing a massive earthquake? I don't even need a degree to say that is completely and utterly impossible.

Your honor, I request that Mr. Vipperman's comments be stricken from the record, he is not a geological expert and to the best of my knowledge has not reviewed the seismological data concerning the islands in question, and therefore is not qualified to make such assertions. If he wishes, he can question my next witness on the subject. I wish to call, Dr. Gregory Peck, a noted Geologist in the international community, who will testify that the area in question is highly unstable, and that substantial seismic activity could trigger large seismic events.

New Kereptica, ONLY ONE is on trial, read the post indicated in post 95 here?

I apologize your honor. Statement withdrawn. I feel however, that it is a...waste, of this court's time to bring such an expert witness. The statement by the Chazakain representative was made purely in the heat of the moment and is clearly not serious. Therefor, the fact that the Mewsland Islands may or may not be geologically unstable is irrelevant to this trial.

To Mewsland: A statement made by yourself that I argued against can not be used as evidence in that argument.

OOC: Gregory Peck? lol

Was it "clearly not serious"? As we speak, Chazakain forces are leaving Mewsland and Mewsland space sattelites are picking up the charging sequence of the aforementioned Chazakain WMDs.

And with Gregory Peck's testification, I would like to motion for a lawsuit against Chazaka for threatening thirty-six million and possibly more people with death.

If this is not stopped here, then there could be two, four, eight, more, foolish Chazakain lawsuits and the murder of other nations.

I apologize your honor. Statement withdrawn. I feel however, that it is a...waste, of this court's time to bring such an expert witness. The statement by the Chazakain representative was made purely in the heat of the moment and is clearly not serious. Therefor, the fact that the Mewsland Islands may or may not be geologically unstable is irrelevant to this trial.

To Mewsland: A statement made by yourself that I argued against can not be used as evidence in that argument.

OOC: Gregory Peck? lol

[OOC: if we get to more "expert witnesses" you will see more interesting names.]

I think it is time to get back to the subject at hand. The issue at this time, is whether Aelita is mentally stable enough to stand trial. At this time, I wish to call, Dr. Frasier Crane, a noted psychiatrist, who will testify to Aelita's mental state.

ooc: Frasier? WOW! Nice job Beatus

IC: Thanks for the gesture.

Dr. Crane, what is your currant opinion of Aelita's mental health?

*cough* spelling *cough*

No Mewsland. You see, I am referring to his opinion as a "small dried grape".

Ah. How rude!

Indeed. I thought it was quite funny. Kind of sad how none of you laughed. Despite the fact that this is speech and spelling therefor does not matter.

ooc why this still going when the i think the OP said it over

The OP?

I do not recall Chazaka saying anything of the sort.

Dr. Crane, what is your currant opinion of Aelita's mental health?

*Dr. Crane*Well, Mr. Vipperman, upon through observation, I believe that the subject is exhibiting classic symptoms of Antisocial personality disorder, or APD. APD is a serious mental condition, and at this time, is not curable. It is my recommendation, to the court, that the subject be placed under psychiatric care, and also wish to say, there it is unlikely that she knew what she was doing was wrong, or that she could have been stopped in doing what she was doing.

ooc why you think i said Think,trying to work out what was said in two posts on page 6 by them

Dr. Crane, are you aware that the Mewsland government recently released documents claiming that Aelita shares only 50% of her genome with humans?

Dr. Crane, are you aware that the Mewsland government recently released documents claiming that Aelita shares only 50% of her genome with humans?

*Dr. Crane* Well, first of all, that would be something that Aelita, with here current mental disorder would want to believe. Also, I would not be surprised if such a statement was originated by Aelita. The fact of the matter being, such a creature would not be sentient. I am a psychiatrist, not a therapist, which means I spent my time in medical school. This is just more conclusive proof of her disorder.

No, the statement was not originated by Aelita! Mewsland medical officials agree! I've sent the sample to every hospital in Mewsland!

No, the statement was not originated by Aelita! Mewsland medical officials agree! I've sent the sample to every hospital in Mewsland!

*Gregory Jefferson Whethersbee III, lawyer for the defense*(Whispered) Your not helping the case any. They are going to use this, to discredit Dr. Crane, because he is an expert in the human mind, and the fact that Aelita is not human, will mean that he is not an expert in her mind.

OOC: Posted after #117 & #118 were made.

Dr. Crane, the statement that Aelita "had only 50% human DNA" was made, after her capture by the Chazakain forces, by the Mewsland government, at that time separate from Aelita.

Besides that Dr. Crane, I believe you are mistaken on the definition of "sentient". According to the Oxford English Dictionary, a reputable source by all accounts, the definition is thus:

Sentient: adj. able to perceive or feel things.

According to this definition, humans are most certainly not the only life forms capable of sentience. Therefor, why would an animal that shares only 50% of the human genome, of which there are quite a few species, not be sentient?

OOC: Vipperman out!

Jameson Reed was astounded by the proceedings so far. Threats of WMD use, wild claims, and a witness for the defense that didn't know when to control their outbursts, and also didn't know how damaging those outbursts were to the defense. He sat in his juror's chair, and took notes. One question he wrote at the top of the page of notes was, 'Why did the defense team start calling its witnesses first?'.

OOC: The short answer is because this trial is a farce, the long answer is because originally the trial was going to be in a separate thread, but it ended up just starting here. You can tell this wasn't planned to happen this way, since there's still a shortage of jury members and the defense is still understaffed.

Was it "clearly not serious"? As we speak, Chazakain forces are leaving Mewsland and Mewsland space sattelites are picking up the charging sequence of the aforementioned Chazakain WMDs.

The Chazakain Rep wishes to remind the Mewsland rep that Chazaka has never used a WMD in anger or even tested one (occ but we are getting increasingly close to using them) and that i.g.n.o.r.e cannons are not wmds. And that our satellites are defensive in manner only used to take out wmd/Nuclear weapons before they can strike Chazaka and/or our allies.

occ and yes the trail wasn't suppose to be in this thread but since it started already might as well continue on...

IC/OCC
Chazakain Genealogist also wish to report that Aeltia and therefore Mew II are related to our Nations Leader through their father's brother's nephew's cousin's former roommate.
Chazakain Rep: What's that make them?
CG: Absolutely nothing!

OOC: Hey guys, sorry about my sudden absence. My computer got fired last night, so I'm gonna be borrowing a computer all weekend. I'll get back to prosecuting ASAP.

C/OCC
Chazakain Genealogist also wish to report that Aeltia and therefore Mew II are related to our Nations Leader through their father's brother's nephew's cousin's former roommate.
Chazakain Rep: What's that make them?
CG: Absolutely nothing!

OOC: ah, lol

welcome back falk, sorry 'bout your computer.

OOC: It's fine. I brought it to the shop. Got the unmountable_boot_volume error, lol. I hope I won't ahve to wipe my hard drive!

OOC: nah. they can probably just copy the contents of the drive onto a portable drive or something at the very worst case. You'll have to reinstall your OS, but you should be able to keep all of your files and programs by overwriting everyithing except for the boot files.

OOC: Oh thank god, lol. Just took a whole load off my shoulders! Thanks for the help, it it could even be called that!

Okay...

(OOC: I also think this trial should be started, properly in another thread. Simply because the current one, has violated dozens of protocol rules, and the Judge has yet to respond to any of my motions.]

probably would be a good idea, expect we still don't have a full jury and the defense could use another attorney.
*hint hint* come on you luckers sign up!
I'll set up the trail thread later tonight and hopefully we'll have at least some jury members that weren't actually in on the fighting.

OOC: What'd I miss, lol?

Nothing much. I believe a new thread is being made

yeah i'm working on it any suggested add on to the crimes on the op?
edit: Linkie (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=573957)