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Alrighty, based off this (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=572494) thread, especially the last intended post that was aimed at NS FT at large, as well as my own character plot, I was wondering how many would, even in a small way, be willing to participate in this not so short war.

Essentially it's a Goddess of the old Powers, with a very large super vessel loaded with 'older' Gaian tech, verses the refugee Gaians from the supremely far flung future, and their much more advanced tech. The refugees however have far fewer forces military wise, are mostly droid operated and are still barely asserting new foothold in the current era NS Universe they find themselves stuck back in.

For reasons of plot not to be revealed here, Lady Creation, the Goddess of the Powers, and formerly a pupil of The Grandfather, before he and his wife 'died' at the end of the Sunset thread plot from WAY back, is severely pissed at Imaldris for some unstated (plot) reason, and concocted this Trial for her own reasons.

She also intends to draw in 'other' forces into the fray, (ala other FT NSers,) again for her own reasons. It's all also going to be a pretty bloody affair, meaning a 'lot' of Gaian tech is going to be scattered everywhere in the end.

However the plot won't be 'of' fighting alone, and in fact some deeper stuff will determine it all, including a good amount of 'temporal' surprises and what not, and one pretty plain decision that decides it all in the formal end. Kinda looking to conduct this over an NS year, timeline wise, which includes time skip jumping where appropriate to move the plot.

So, I'm interested in knowing who wants to participate in this cute lil fracas, since I personally think we need some kind of NS FT wide epic event of sorts for once. Or I hope this can be as such.

I might keep the same thread, or start another long term thread, still deciding that. Just wondering at this stage who would participate. =^^=

I'll bring virtual cookies. =^^=!!

EDIT: Chapters added as more threads involving the Civil War are added. Some chapters will contain multiple threads.

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Chapters:

Chapter I: Where do we go now? (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=572494) - The War begins with a very terse Transmission.

Chapter II: A Meeting of Warriors (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=572799) - A simple attempt to gain Dornalian assistance garners a deadly C-faction response.

Chapter III: Expansion (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=14294164#post14294164) - The War expands far beyond anyone expects.

I'd be willing to bring my
F&D Federation (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=14132492#post14132492.HTM) into play.(just not tonight, bed time. night all)

Okay, it'd be a one or two post a day thing, so enough people wouldn't get left out too much, save for RL stuff. Can't control that. =oo=

If anyone has been watching that new Clone Wars series on CN, you'd get the feel I'm looking for, for the war. (Just spread along NS FT lines more. Still galaxy wide if it can be pulled off. )

Hmm. So this is why you needed the Andy Jackson Yard? ;)

I'm willing to get involved in this endeavor, if only minimally due to the fact academically its crunch time, and I have other RPs to do too. Perhaps I can lend you some unofficial services of the Workers State until my RP and School Schedule clear up.

Right off, I can imagine using the base at Andrew Jackson Shipyard to produce Super Maos, a Dornalian Volunteer Group "Flying Tigers" style from the Shinmei School of the People's Acolytes (they're good with esoteric powers), and definetly the services of Doctor Edelmira Tennenbaum Orrozco--the nuttiest scientist you may ever meet. She's got an Infinite Improbability Bomb she'd love to test.

Then, once all that clears up, I can offer the People's Navy in person. Though that depends on another dude I'm RPing with right now.

Actually it was meant to be separate for the Valkyrian Order. (Something else to explain via plot.) The main thread was set a few days before the Dornalian meeting thread, and ended up being merged, since NS time usually varies between NS rp threads anyway, so as far as I've seen anyway.

Ended up being one of those events that gets dropped on everyone's heads. Kinda complex to pull off. In the end the vessels 'will' end up in the war, just wasn't meant to be originally. =^^=

Actually it was meant to be separate for the Valkyrian Order. (Something else to explain via plot.) The main thread was set a few days before the Dornalian meeting thread, and ended up being merged, since NS time usually varies between NS rp threads anyway, so as far as I've seen anyway.

Ended up being one of those events that gets dropped on everyone's heads. Kinda complex to pull off. In the end the vessels 'will' end up in the war, just wasn't meant to be originally. =^^=

Ah. Well, in that case, I'd still like to do what I could with the options above. I think Washu might like Doctor Tennenbaum.

Only, I request that Dornalian territory not get smacked about until my schedule clears up in earnest.

I'm interested, though I haven't decided as to what side I'll be on.

Maybe the Eternals, now a husk of their former power, should return...

Dornalia: I won't 'spread' anything without consent. Having Washu around with the Dornalians at the moment however would just 'technically' end up with the same result wanted avoided. (Can't really play the Creation-faction as dumb here and not notice.)

Huntaer: Oooh, was hoping for ya, (among others) to join in. Choosing a side though is kinda complex to explain. Kinda like instead an enemy of my enemy is my friend, it's more like an enemy to another enemy making another neutral become an enemy, and view the first enemy as the same as the second enemy, cause confusion is the fricken point in the early going here.

It's more like 'surplus' droid Creation-faction forces fight some battles (some detailed, others encapsulated,) and end up with some casualties and wreckage. Some dead depending on how willing the participant, but nothing civilization destroying here. Why comes with the plot.

Scand: Not a surprise, though expect the same I told Huntaer.

The main point is to accept there's a lot of ships to use up, the 'Home' Gaians and their forces eventually gain the upper hand in various ways, and come down to a major final battle of some kind. (No holding back on the 'major' bit either. Not if any descriptions of the Clone Wars and how large 'those' battles were, is any indication to plug in here with. =^^= )

Bump. Anyone else want in before I start? =oo=

Another check bump. Probably will start the setup in the current thread once Communist Govs/Ganoxian posts again and get everything going within a post or two after that.

Forgive me rushing anything, and yes I am mindful this time of RL stuff and all that others have, just also mindful of fighting off my own burnout boredom that's plagued me all this time. =^^= It's a balancing act.

Well considering I got a few characters hanging out with the Gaians from that Sunset thread, I can't really say no to helping Imaldris. I'm there.

Is it too late to get in on this? It's been many years since you and I have RPed together, Gaian, but I'll not forget a fantastic ally. I'm time-crunched by school and one other RP right now, but I'll do what I can, if welcome.

Ahb: Kewl... not sure if you want any of my forces attacking yours yet, noting your RL stuff, so I'll wait for a response there.

Einhauser: The more the bloodier, bloody merrier that is. (Hehe..) Er... anywho.. I'll leave up to you how to jump in, just need a good enough excuse somewhere.

Also, need to know from anyone willing to participate, their tech level compared to mine. Better iron this all out prior to any large battles forthcoming. =oo=

Ahb: Kewl... not sure if you want any of my forces attacking yours yet, noting your RL stuff, so I'll wait for a response there.

Einhauser: The more the bloodier, bloody merrier that is. (Hehe..) Er... anywho.. I'll leave up to you how to jump in, just need a good enough excuse somewhere.

Also, need to know from anyone willing to participate, their tech level compared to mine. Better iron this all out prior to any large battles forthcoming. =oo=

I sent a TG about that.

I wouldn't mind getting involved in this as well, if there’s still space. Technology is pretty low-tech, although I plan to rapidly innovate with a bit of time hopping.

Dornalia: Send a TG if you're uncertain about anything during our own battle thread going. That stuff will essentially 'set' everything else about the war. Conventionally anyway..... =^^=;;;

WinTrees: Define low tech. If it's early MT we're talking about, the best you could hope for during the War, is getting the Transmission somehow and 'wondering' at the stars for awhile after. Otherwise, well.... being involved would make how the ID4 war ended, laughable in comparison.

If it's early FT, no better than NASA is now, at least you'd not need to wonder as much, but a fly on a 100 Mph car window you'd still be in this war. Not to discourage, but some sense of technological equivalency is required in this one, at least something my Home Gaian forces can can upgrade to help anyone else that needs such, to stand a chance in this War.

I'd expect the obvious from Dornalia, Huntaer, Ahb, EWT and the ilk, but others need to demonstrate to 'convince' me. This is to ensure the old 'flame-war' bit over rped technologies that don't exist, and all that doesn't bog this War down one tic.

Strange for me to conduct this considering my own rp history and all here, but this War is important to me. =^^= In the end, it's the story that's important. I got a doozy of an ending already in mind.

By low tech, I mean Battlestar+. Ballistic weapons and armoured hulls, with some more advanced ships in the mix.

Basically my fleet isn't going to win any innovation awards, but they're built to last and can pack a punch. When I say low tech, I mean no super weapons, phase cloaks or massively overpowered beam weapons.

Doesn't strike me as low tech then. Battlestars tain't that to me. =oo= This is more workable. Just check the current battle with the Dornalians to see what you'd be getting into, if not read already that be. =^^=

Decided to add a chapters/threads list to the first post, for easier tracking and recaps of events in the War.

Aye, I'm getting serious here. =^^=

Woo, took awhile, but finally got the Civil War going heavy. Just need to set the 'rules' and 'parameters' with the first fights, the Dornalian dockyard battle added to this.

Don't suppose anyone wants to be the 'initial' civilization that gets attacked by C-faction forces? One or two simultaneous battle threads with one or two volunteers in a fight that won't last 'all' too long, would be the ideal here. Home faction units would get involved as well, as the War 'spreads'.

Any potential takers? (Happy Thanksgiving to NS by the way. =^^= )

I wouldn't mind if New Ganoxa gets attacked its heavily defended and would be an awesome battle.

Heh, can do after the initial Coreworld System battle. (First of quite a few to come there.) I won't overdo it more than to assert that it 'is' a big battle.

Anyone else want in? =oo=

Don't worry GA, I have enough time in my life to post on NS.

I just post very little since there is very little around here that interests me as of late. I maintain the threads I start and the ones I participate in with the people I know. So if the other half wants to brawl, then let's get it on.

If you have room for one more, I wouldn't mind getting involved. It might be confusing since the Myths only know the positive side of the Gaians from the Dark Ascendancy war or whatever it was called a while back.

But still interested since everything else has seemed to slow.

Ahb: Like I said to EWT, no need for pressure, if RL is in the way. With this economy and all else, I sure know.

Mythrandir: It'll be a fun ride then. =^^= More a time verses time technology battle, with everything in the Gaian arsenal on the playing table.

And in case anyone was wondering the time line, the Dornalian thread is taking place a few days after the battle now occurring in the 'trigger' thread. (Might as well call it that.) Need to get through the trigger thread to show the surprise is that makes the war far longer than it should be.

Rather than wait, might as well ask now and start prepping the next phase, now that the Dornalian part is done for now. (More to come later.)

Okay, I need two solid volunteer 'nations' to be in a thread where both nations are attacked for sure this time, while at the same time Home faction forces are stuck doing another operation. (I.e. three separate events in the same thread.)

Lots of fighting and probably some confusion. Need the posters to be dedicated for once a day posting at the very least. (Though RL supersedes all as usual.)

I'll bump this once to make sure and what see, tomorrow, before trying anything after that. And thanks in advance for those that become fully willing. =^^=

can some one give me the run down on whats going on,Gaian asked me if I wanted to join I said yeah sure, I don't want to step on toes so yeah.. :P

Well, in semi so simple terms. (I guess...)

Refugees from the future version of the Gaian Ascendancy end up temporal Fold jumping from the Antara Dimension to the Alpha (here) Dimension, escaping a Dark Rip event that kills untold trillions. So far, the remainder are holed up in a four planet system simply named the Coreworld System. Imladris appears a year after the refugees, and he ends up on an adventure with the Ahb that eventually leads him back to his brethren, where Belldandy, apparently Imladris's son, gives him the mantle of the Lord Excellency. (Aleaic is MIA along with most of the Council, at present.)

From there, two years now into the refugees hidden existence, and about ready to start feeling out contact with other civilizations, (where the Ganoxians came in at first,) when Lady Creation, the last apparent remaining Power, whom saved Imladris at the end of a battle along side the Ahb with Third Space forces, from a spatial Schism, now instead challenges Imladris's validity to rule, though why never becomes clear, even after Imaldris confronts Creation onboard a Journey Sar`nor. (An immense 100,000 km super base that acted as a reserve Brian Cache, when the 'current' Gaian Ascendancy everyone once knew, left on Exodus to begin the Dark Ascendancy War.)

With the old Ascendancy gone, save for the massive hardware stores Creation finds, along with Lady Ifurita, whom appeared 'five' years ahead of the Refugees, all outright challenge Imladris and the Home faction as they become called, into a deliberate Civil War. Creation's forces, (C-faction,) then start immediately assaulting the Coreworld System. (This part isn't done yet.)

A few days later, a mission led by Skuld to the Dornalian Shipyards, to both construct new vessels, as well as seek some form of aid, draws the attention of a C-force attack. A short but furious fight ends with Home forces in victory after special Nanite Insertion units take over all computer programming from the C-faction version that seemed to be obeying Creation too readily.

All else is teased at in the end of the Dornalian thread. All else and other details eventually to come. =^^= Lots of friggen fighting as well.

Right well, I have to find a way to get my nation involved, as I do need an excuse..

Well, the excuse could be simply Lady Creation chooses two 'victims' to attack. Simple as that. That or 'someone' recognizing the Transmission and all, like I was hoping for in some one post bit and all. (Oh well..)

I just need to know how advanced the technology level compared to my own (C-faction mainly, unless someone 'does' want to attack my Home forces, which then hits another technology level 'altogether',) this to let me figure out how to 'bridge' the state of the battles so as to avoid flame wars and whatnot.

I wouldn't mind volunteering my nation as one of the two. I do have some time for posting but I will have to warn that once the holidays draw closer, my availability for replying will be limited. But I shall do my best to post at least once a day during that time.

Anyways, as far as my own nation and races are concerned I like to keep them fairly low so as to not put too much emphasis on the technological aspect of the story. The fleet size is fairly small compared to most, I believe, staying roughly at 2,500. With that said, that does not mean they go away quietly. There are little pieces of technology here and there that are advanced but it mostly comes down to the characters for me and what they do. There are far more defenses than actual ships for Mythrandir.

Hope that helps in understanding.

That's fine Myth. On all stated counts in fact. Probably won't be more than fifty to seventy five ships over all, on both 'fronts' each. Would need to know what worlds this would take place at for both battles.

And to be sure, looks like TFU and Myth are in for this round. =^^=

I kinda wanna get involved, but I'm not sure where Axis Nova could fit in. Axis Nova is, in FT, essentially a nomadic nation that doesn't own any kind of planetary real estate. Technology (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=447907) is almost completely canon Earth Alliance stuff from Babylon 5.

As I imagine it, Axis Nova tends to consist of a number of 'home fleets' (consisting of habitat vessels and associated parphelenia, as well as various commercial enterprises designed to separate visitors from their money as quickly), and the Navy (handles military affairs, exploration, aquisition of overtechnology and so forth). Essentially, if you've ever read Cities in Flight, Axis Novan home fleets are each kinda like one of the cities from that in terms of how they do things (trading, migrant workers, etc).

Sounds like my Macross-style colony fleets.

Well, think a lot more commercialized, and with a lot more rotating gravity blocks and so forth. The general concept, with various specialized support vessels, does hold valid, however.

Axis Nova is basically somewhat third world as far as FT goes.

Don't worry about me GA, gots one of those economy secure jobs. As long as I don't choke a kid, I should be alright.

Ahb: Hmm, I got a kid I could choke sometimes. More than usually I tickle alot her instead though. =^^= Her Christmas play part as a greeting card should be fun tomorrow.

Axis Nova: Kewl, another blow em up vict... er... participant. =^^= And a sorta Babylon 5 version of the Ahb (originally,) I suppose. If they 'were' looking for planetary real estate at some point, this event might be a way to get some eventually. (Why is a key point how the war gets prolonged. Heheh.)

And as stated, a lot of Gaian tech is going to be 'laying' about after many of these battles, as Home force infrastructure trying to keep up with the fleets it manages to incur through the Nanites used, starts to overwhelm the already limited recovery ability. Plus I had an outpost put in Dornalian space that has an entire Gaian Home faction Core Database with it. (Both to share with allies, as well as keep their legacy from being annihalated.)

I.e., remaining 'third world' might be hard to do by the end of all this. =^^= Depending on NS user wishes of course.

There are two possible systems to choose from then. The Mythrandir System is the home system with the largest populace and therefore the most defensive forces.

Aero System is the next potential target with a massive asteroid belt encircling the system, dubbed Jericho. There are hidden bases along the asteroid belt as well as defensive emplacements. The planet Thralk itself is the largely a jungle environment and home to the griffons though far less populated than Mythrandir.

Your pick and I can fill you in more along the way if you need more information.

I think probably the best way for me to get involved would be to have one of my home fleets moving through the area and get caught in the middle, then get swept up by events.

Also, low tech doesn't mean no threat. An AK-47 will kill you just as dead as a top of the line Steyr Aug, after all. ;p

Axis: Kay, the Gaian 'operation' would be a good place for that, though expect a nasty surprise.

Myth: The Aero System sounds good. Details can come in the coming thread. (Probably will start by Monday. Need some 'Ganoxian' help to semi-finish the trigger thread before pushing on here. I need my threads to trail into each other like a bad episode or something. =^^= )

So, uh, this goin' anywhere?

Wanted to make sure everyone is ready and willing. Hadn't heard from TFU so was waiting first. Tomorrow though I expect to start, since the trigger thread is all but over now, save for end of chapter filler. =^^=

The new thread is up finally. (Had problems with my computer, being tired from work, and just getting up to it, plus a fanfiction chapter I wanted to finish as well, in the Oh My Goddess! section of FF.net.)

As for the new chapter, it's aimed mainly at Myth, Axis, and TFU, though Dornalia and Ganoxia are invited, if in a limited fashion. Expect long posts as I respond to all posters. I will wait for all posters a minimum of two days, before I post again. If all post in the same day, I will post another again, and so forth to keep the thread going. Heavy fighting, surprises and more are the lay here, as well as Gaian tech all over the place.

So, time to have fun for awhile with this chapter. =^^=

Just an alert--I'm in the midst of finals right now, which is gonna mess with me hugely. Expect slowed activity, if any.

Dorn: Don't worry, this is more focused to get different nations in this time. I anticipated all that anyway in creating this, so a thread lasting into past the New Year '09 is likely anywho. =^^=

For the Myth thread I'll just send two battlegroups as I had done so before. I shall wait for Myth to post first before sending them in

I'll get something up as soon as I figure out where things should come in. I think most likely the first stuff that appears will be an exploration force, scouting a good location for a jumpgate (the recon for the habitat fleet).

Standard operating procedure would be to find a place near where there's a lot of readily accessible resources (in the form of asteroid fields, nebular gas, moons with a lot of ready resources, gas giants; one or more of the above is preferred), then jump in an Explorer class to deploy the jumpgate and bring in more forward elements.

Dorn: Don't worry, this is more focused to get different nations in this time. I anticipated all that anyway in creating this, so a thread lasting into past the New Year '09 is likely anywho. =^^=

Cool. I might RP Project Godcutter tests involving lots of anime/Jerry Bruckheimer-esque special effects, and maybe end up shunting battlegroups to defend Mythrandir as well--maybe a few Godcutter Squads might see use there. That much is certain.

Just let me know when I'm needed, GA. Don't exactly know who needs the support here.

Ahb: Might wait till after the New Year, unless you want to jump in on your own regard. A third battle 'can' be handled, if albeit slowly over time here. Might as well keep my posts to once a day, as I picked up Fallout III for my PC here. Given how ES: Oblivion sucked my life away alot, I can guess how much social damage this game is going to do to moi. =^^=

That's how I am with World In Conflict

Sounds good enough then.

If TFU and Myth could in their next posts, put 'where' my C-faction fleets appear, as well as a planet or two to send ground troops towards. Need a frame of reference to then push where and how the two battles will 'expand' from there.

I'm debating on how big to make the battles now, since I want 'something' hurt, though not too far, to be fair to you guys.

If you 'do' want in Ahb, btw, I can expand the fighting indeed. Just need an 'entry' post to work with.

And Nova, just wait for the posts after Diamond Fleet makes their jump. Something towards the 'rim' of the galaxy would work. *hint hint*

Heres what your getting your self into:

http://wikistates.outwardhosting.com/wiki/The_Federal_Union

http://wikistates.outwardhosting.com/wiki/Auto_wars

http://wikistates.outwardhosting.com/wiki/Singularity_Kill_Vehicles

http://wikistates.outwardhosting.com/wiki/Conversion_beams

http://wikistates.outwardhosting.com/wiki/Resonance_disruptors

Well, it's being brought now. Next post probably Monday, after Myth gets back.

I'm just plodding away with my Godcutter teams here....if they're needed, lemme know, GA. I'd like them to show their strength.

Depends on how long they've been trained for. Might get a chance more towards the end of the current thread, (presuming another one doesn't take place at the same time,) when things are revealed. Kinda deciding on a give and take kind of battle series in the current thread, so keep tuned. =^^=

I'm ready to hop in whenever.

Depends on how long they've been trained for. Might get a chance more towards the end of the current thread, (presuming another one doesn't take place at the same time,) when things are revealed. Kinda deciding on a give and take kind of battle series in the current thread, so keep tuned. =^^=

They've been training for a while. Mainly to get them working in a cohesive group. Now, it's mostly a matter of getting them accustomed to their new suits--which shouldn't take long, because the way Dornalian systems are built, they're made to be really, really intuitive--although they do need time for people to acclimate to them.

how many ships are you sending against me exactly any force specifics specs and such?

If you 'do' want in Ahb, btw, I can expand the fighting indeed. Just need an 'entry' post to work with.

Got an idea for you. A good target since they are trying to hurt Imladris would be to go after Arc and his crew on the Silver Noah. It makes it more personal that way.

But if you want, I can always write up something with the Empire.

Here are my task forces ships

Able Lincoln class Battle carrier x 1:

http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d110/USFU/TFSAbrahamLincolnCVS-21.jpg

Hyperion class Cruiser x 2:
http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d110/USFU/UTSAlaxander.jpg

Rich feild class destroyers x 4:

http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d110/USFU/UTSCharelsFAddams.jpg


Crossair class frigates x 5 :

http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d110/USFU/UTSCrossair.png

SA-22A Stalker fighters:

http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d110/USFU/SA22Stalker.jpg

SA-42H Chaos Dragon Fury:

http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d110/USFU/SA40ChaosDragon.png


That's what your dealing with there..

Can I hop in yet? Getting kinda bored here.

If I understand correctly, GA, you want me to not be in the actual battle itself, but off somewhere doing something that establishes my presence in the region, correct?

Axis: Yup. And I'm setting that all up, which will essentially be one big fat godmodding incident of ridiculous proportions, if one ignores it's a Power causing all this. It's what linchpins how the war will be much longer than ever expected.

TFU: Kewl. =^^=

Ahb: Go ahead and post something. Might even be a chance encounter between your Ahb force, and Axis's own, while being drawn into the lynchpin event. And yes there will be another battle, just... ew... if it were real, you'd need oldbie diapers, shalt we say. =^^=;;;;

Now, if this blasted winter will let up and stop with the danged wind driven snow drifts that get my car stuck and all.... =><=

As an FYI, what he would most likely encounter would be either an Explorer class (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=14319830&postcount=20) ship doing it's thing, or a recon patrol of Starfuries from same. One of those is basically what's first into a region (a habitat fleet isn't just going to drop in without looking around, and some infrastructure is neccesary, after all). It would also definitely be in a solar system, unless a suitable concentration of resources was encountered in interstellar space, which is unlikely.

Concentration of resources in this instance means somewhere near resource-rich asteroid belts/moons/gas giants, preferably all of the above.

I'm confused a bit on what your doing GA, could you clarify that tech and such?

I presume this centers on the Foundation Torpedoes and my Short Fold jumping. Maybe some on the Dimensional Shields, my Hikari Seed networking and various energy aspects around them all. I'll (hopefully) presume an agreement of my advanced technology slate, hinged upon it all never having been 'slowed' down' by any reserved concerns.

The Dimensional Shields are as much a deflection shield system, as it is an absorption, relevant to funneling absorbed energy spectrums, into various subspace 'funnels', an exotic energy particle type funneled into a relative energy frequency medium, to try and dilute it, though only as effectively as the shield can keep up to incoming fire. The shield array is also semi-Borg like, or rather very dynamic, based on defense comptrollers, Hikari Seeds included, to reactively realign Shield segments where it can, adjusted to shield strength, to act as an energy 'ablative' effect, again when it can.

The Short Fold is the same as the Main Fold Jump action, just that at the time of the original Gaian Exodus, to enter the Dark Ascendancy War, due to a lot of experience during the Alpha Universe Dark Eternal campaign, that Fold systems were able to become advanced enough to utilize dynamic levels of Zero Point Core energy (Or various energies again, this time from supply sources, including Hikari and Foundation subspace origins,) Short Folding is only then a reduced form of Main Folding, and mainly a tactical event to bring forces in closer from an originating assault point, once local space has been quickly scanned for various gravitational, strategic and tactical elements. This usually only can happen in a new battle zone, after the initial scans, or if advance strategic information is obtained. At the time of the Civil War, the C-faction forces are actually limited in information, of the Milky Way Galaxy, though with the Comm-Orbs spread out in the same Galaxy, information of enough source can be obtained by either Gaian faction. Most of the lack of information is mainly relative to the absence both sides have 'suffered' over their each respective timelines.

Folding is however too point to point to block, without interfering with the navigational targeting coordination needed to get to the target Fold point. This is being resolved by the Gaian Home forces, with Comm-Orb reprogramming of navigational data the Comptrollers use on various vessels. (The same that can happen to GPS satellites, if apparently messed with.) This is a plot point that will come after battles resolve with any other nations. Depending on hostility levels of course. (I.e. all that confusion.)

Most Gaian Comptrollers at the time of the DA War Exodus, also had wide spread Hikari Seeds 'installed' as primary sources of computer core capability, energy access to the Hikari subspace layer, and other various tactical capabilities, along with it's communication parameters. The Seeds however are not Trees, an entirely different format there that's not being shown just yet. But the Seeds are more than sentient on their own to add to the already robust combat capabilities of 'any' Gaian class vessel. The only difference between C-faction and Home Force versions, is about a billion years of evolution. Efficiency is what it all really comes down too. But it's the Seeds that coordinate not only vessel systems, but with each other, to magnify fleet tactical, energy resources, and network coordination, that helps them all survive battles far longer than supposed too. Their literal learning capabilities help keep their parent vessels alive, as well as their crews, makes them that much tougher. On top of that, their security concern is tantamount, to the point that they (almost) always teleport away to a surviving vessel, or even starfigther or mecha, given their small plum seed size and all, to prevent capture. One seed 'could' access the entire Hikari Network at will, if somehow 'broken' into. Given that could access the Trees, and from that the Gaian Ascendancy as a whole, no matter what realm version or timeline, their security makes them the only Gaian tech no allowed to outside sources. Even the Hikari Net is kept supremely confidential. No Gaian will divulge it's knowledge, even at the cost of some nasty last ditch nanite methods all Gaian accept along with their usual enhancements.

Or... supposed to anyway.... hehe...

Never mind if one actually dies. And doing that is no small feat. (Heheh... #2)

Foundation Torpedoes meanwhile access what Gaians call, the primal subspace layer, where all others in existence are 'anchored' upon. Since all known laws of physics die here, as well as much as they do in singularities, to breach it openly is no less drastic. However the Gaians also chose this layer as a weapon medium, since it's a dynamically regenerative layer. Unlike usual subspace kinetic or such ilk weapons that need a added catalyst of some kind seal a subspace rupture, this version heals itself soon after a rupture, limiting exposure after an torpedo catalyst event. However Gaians realize that too many of these weapons, would cause a healed wound to cause 'any' law of physics known event around it, from travel mediums, to communication, to even just existing near a healed rift, to become to unstable to exist near, until a rift heals itself readily enough. Intended as a one time initial shock assault weapon of limited scope, the effects are also meant to break an enemy assault or defense of any size, annihilating anything caught in a event horizon blast. Plus the type of 'light' classification weapon, verses other more destructive or 'dark' effect weapons that are just 'only' meant to destroy with no other after effect concerns attached, gives the Foundation Torpedo a unique place amongst heavy assault weapons classifications.

But for the C-faction, things seem more sinister along this line, since the Gaians originally intended them, as a last resort weapon, or a battle ending weapon. The old Gaian Way never would have allowed their use on another civilized nation, preferring their Ionic nullification weaponry instead. A weapon that only destroys a target, rather than an option to nullify it, leaving a crew 'only' dead, verses a more ethical version for a battle, is against mainline Gaian doctrine. The only thing preventing C-faction forces (so far,) from over use of the weapon, is they too are effected just as much as a foe, by this weapon. However, beyond' shock value in the first few seconds of a blast, little else causes it to prevent other tactics, such as the Short Fold, since a regenerative rift seals rather soon after an explosion.

As for the rest of mainstream Gaian tech, the main ideal of all underlying tech, is the ability to support each other tech base with 'some' effect. Energy, weapons options, communication and networking, healing and recuperation even in battle, enhancement before, in, or after battle, or just ensuring security to the eyes of others, are hallmark to each slate of Gaian tech version. New generations of tech are made as fast as Gaian like minds can improve on anything they can confidently touch. Education unhinged drives everything of the Gaian Way.Belief in Life, creates more minds, encouraged in all ways, to improve whatever they see or feel, within enough guidelines to keep some function and form, order and such, to keep the Way functioning at an apex, as much as such can be enhanced. The apex of all that was the Antara Dimension, until the Dark Rip destroyed all that. (?)

As a result, to the military, as much as other vectors, this results an as advanced a military capability, that Gaians can achieve. This all impressed upon, from the very first days of the First Era, never has been infringed upon. This is where the major gap between the C-faction and Home Force tech versions comes from. Other than that, seeing a Gaian, between each version, would be hard to discern by. It's only by Creations 'insistence', that this is all being tested, like never done before. (Though by what timeline effect is not yet fully understood by even Gaians, as yet.) And given it's a billion year old team of Washu and Skuld leading the efforts all this time, save for Council restraint at times, there's been no breakwater to halt exploration, of science and technology, as much as ever other endeavor Gaians consider important.

However no Gaian tech is perfect, rather, it's evolved in one fashion or another. Again with the 'Borg-like' effect, nothing is off limits to being learned, even on the spot. Everything of Gaian science supports this to active effect. Even if lives, despite all Gaian believe in, are lost in the so doing. A strange quasi mesh of life and warrior spirit meshes with all that civilization and learning, to make Gaian 'somehow' who they are, without all the chaotic elements that Gaian 'accept' too much of other civilizations. Going into all that is an ethical and philosophical discussion, but even all that underlies Gaian Tech, and the Gaian Way.

What it means for the War however, is uncertain. It's one thing Gaian accept as the true unknown, and it's what lies before them 'in' the unknown. At least, for what is in front of a Gaian to currently accept. And the War is quite uncertain to accept.

And all of that doesn't explain the Powers yet. If there is somehow, despite a distinct Gaian lack of full spirituality, where accepting by belief only, is concerned, a Pantheon the Gaians can look towards at times where even Science fails, this is where they look. (Hehe...) And given the creation of the Universes are their own impossible mystery, despite even Gaian knowledge at that level, this originating power becomes everything else that Gaians accept 'can' be understood and manipulated, short of outright creationism aspects that 'are' magic to even a Gaian. This is where the Powers somehow reside, even if limited to a lifespan of the Epic Eons. (As shown when the Grandfather finally passed on. To where may never be known, since even Powers existing do not know.)

But since the universe somehow exists, and 'something' created it all, and us all, that 'something' is out there, and the Powers as far as the Gaians know, do also exist, then it gives Gaians impart to push what they 'can' understand to the limits.

And 'all' of that are on the table now. From mere warship commanders and Synthetic troopers, to the very Powers on unknown high, the War encapsulates it all. And it's that unknown the Gaians face now, along with anyone else Creation drags in along the way.

Why... is uncertain, of 'itself'.

And I went on a novel spree again. I'm bad about that. =^^=;;;;

So essentially, C-forces hit both Myth and TFU with Foundation Torpedoes to blast them with, while leaping in on a second jump to create more chaos. But that's not the intent of the battles. That is if the plot can be enlightened upon down future posts here. Other than making my vessels technically tougher and all, they are still venerable enough since both Gaian sides are beating at each other senseless as it is. (All that wreckage left in space should be ample enough anti-godmodding there. But I admittedly do want a sense of superiority, at least enough to enhance the tragic effect of the entire War.)

And yes, there is a 'good' ending at the hind of all this. Just... no word given on what will occur along the way. =\/= Even for myself.

And... whew... hope that helps 'some' to accept by, to get the plot going. few things will deviate from this norm through the rest of the entire War anyway.

And since were clarifying tech (or trying too anywho,) some of the same from you guys to help in future battles, will help reduce explanation needs in posts, and all that, in favor of the plot.

Happy New Year in advance here btw. =^^=

GA, can you please cut that down to about a paragraph or two for each? :P

In the case of your shields, saying "They divert most of an attack's effect into other dimensions, and they also adjust to become stronger against what's attacking them" would have been an adequate description. :p

The torpedo seems to be the same kind of thing as subspace weapons from Star Trek insurrection. Big nasty bang that eradicates things over a wide area.

The short fold thing is tactical FTL, essentially.

Is this a more or less accurate summary of what's going on here?

Sorry to kinda crap on your text block there, but that kinda thing is really better put in a tech thread or something.

Heh, just wanted to explain it all fully to prevent the whole godmodding bit that is a worry in my mind as I do all this. Since TFU wanted an explanation, I gave one. But the contracted version works just as well. I can then also presume the whole Powers bit has 'enough' validity now to proceed with what's going to happen in the current thread.

If one remembers the event that 'moved' the original Ascendancy into the Archonis Supercluster, that would be a hint of what's coming.

So basically FTL missiles? Also Pro tip most of the dimensional shields used in the milky way (Like mine, and I believe bals and others) only filter out a % of the energy of the weapon, My shield can filter out 65% of the weapon before it hits the gravatic shielding. I also do have the area under faster than light inhibition that I only take off when my ships and missiles use their jump maneuvers for a second or two. And just to I'm not accused of GMing my self I wont be taking losses left and right (I only have 680 capital ships in my fleet the rest are escorts) So I go for quality over quantity if that makes sense.

Actually I went with quality and quantity, given how large my wars have been. Kinda hard for me to hold back when there's a whole universe's worth of resources to access, since a Fold Drive with enough energy utilized, with enough navigational data, would be able to jump to any point, essentially all but desired. The Hikari and Foundation energies controlled through the Zero Point Energy Cores, provides that. The Comm-Orbs the navigational data, spread throughout the Alpha Universe during the Dark Eternal War, and more than enough generational advancements to the original Ascendant provided Fold Drive, the detailed catalyst.

Since this applies to the other tidbit about FTL inhibiting drives, since the Fold Drive acts more like the version seen in Dune, the whole traveling without moving bit, or however it was described. Just this version doesn't need (essentially) worm excrement to power this system. And yes I considered the Stargate Atlantis Zero Point module tidbit into this, though I see the ZPM as a more of a battery, verses the ZPC as a formal energy core, with the Hikari and Foundation energies near inexhaustible, with the Hikari Trees actually helping to regenerate energies used into entropy. And I'm having a hard time seeing this as inhibited 'gravitationally', as I suspect most FTL inhibitors are. The only gravitational component a Fold drive causes, is the wakes made on both ends of a jump. 'If' a Hikari Seed was access, and the energy net along with it, some form of technology could be made to interfere with that energy, in regards to the technological level of a Fold drive apparatus. (I.e. again why the Trees are so off limits to other nations.)

As I see it, a Fold drive moves through a two dimensional medium, through so-called Hikari subspace, using said navigational data, with a specialized energy envelope to protect a vessel from being crushed by the two dimensional medium that is being traversed. This is demonstrated when a vessel 'flattens' into a bright plane of light, as well as onboard looking at a viewscape that sees all stars flatten into the same sight, as if all seen stars are being squeezed together. If not for that specialized energy protection envelope, well guess... =^^=

So in summation, I 'do' have access to create very large and effective fleets, which was needed to maintain a Guardianship as large as the kind that was in place, and moreso to maintain an entire Antara Dimensional Super Empire-Republic over multiple Universes within it.

But, the intent is to the plot, not to overwhelm anyone else in NS. Again I stress this, and to the point most of the damage is for my own part anyway. I have no problem with anyone elses tech being tough as mine, as long as all side's tech is respected. Plus my tech is going to be scattered everywhere, as I've imparted several times already, so (albeit with time,) with enough time given to the study of said Tech, anyone can adjust quickly enough. This in fact a plot device of the Home forces to 'bring up to speed' enough, for other participating nations, that by the time the War ends, every nation can stand up to the C-faction forces Tech rather effectively. The coming diplomacy with Ganxoia, and the resources sent to New Dornalia, is two examples of this.

I do expect my C-faction vessels overall, to be able to be pounded at, since attacked nations have never been fought before. But I also expect some effectiveness, to avoid my own tech looking like crud compared to others. If this can be respected to favor the plot, which will be a lot of fast paced ones with a good bit of shock value, then we can proceed.

Question about these shields: while they do divert a decent portion of an incoming attack's energy, how do they handle physical objects? It seems from their description that you primarily though them up with energy attacks in mind.

It would be less there, though the shields do take away some kinetic force from projectile weapons, with the White Diamond vessel hulls the main ablative primary here. The Shields as said can reorient in places to be ablative as well, but do not take energy away in the form laser based weapons are.

The hulls are White Diamond, a hybrid grown-formed substance that's a layered mesh of metals and crystals, with underlying Spiderglass web, along with high strength crystalline make ups, that are a sort of hyper advanced version of Kevlar, if one wants to be crude in description. Some metals are melded in, though a crystal can be 'grown' back in place by the always active nanite repair and maintainance systems that run through every vessel. The maintenance when not in battle is constant, creating a 'bloodstream' in each vessel, a format taken from the old Hikari Treeships that once plied Guardianship space.

The name of the material White Diamond, is as much a function of from the homeworld name of make, as much as what the material looks like. That's why Ascendancy hulls are always so bright to other viewing vessels. (In fact a function taken advantage of, in respect to as much moralistic euphemisms, as to tactical 'sight' by opposing ships. (So much so, Gaian viewscreens long ago were adjusted to filter in less light than what was needed.) The material origin also was advanced upon to it's current makes, as far as C-faction versions go, from the time spent in the Heavenly Dimension, during the absence prior to the Dark Eternal War.

So, really brilliant hulls that are quite resilient, though still limited to enough pinpoint damage, before being destroyed. Ablative against missile and projectile types, this also is one of the signatures of the entire Gaian Fleet. Kinda makes it more sad given the nature of the War now too.

And I 'hope' to be able to post again by the end of the weekend, if such can be accommodated after holiday travel and all. (Whit I suspect...)

Alright, that's what I needed to know, thanks.

I'm gonna wait one more evening here to see if TFU posts, before I decide to move on here. As much as I can appreciate how hard RL is, I care for my own story here, away from my own RL stuff. As such the plot moves on, one way or another tomorrow. Kay folks? =oo=

You finally bumped this up! I lost the link to the thread I was searching for it for ages, Now I can just search your name!

Just letting y'all know I'm still here. Just waiting on a post from Mythrandir, is all.

Okay, sorry for the prod on my part. I just use 'Gaian' on the search engine here for finding my stuff. Easier than using the subscribed thread bit, for my part. Again, sorry. Now to read and compose here.

Any other queries of merit by the way? =oo=

The subscribe feature is non functional for some reason. At least for me..

Jolt being Jolt again.

Also need Ganoxia to respond to the previous post of mine, before this coming one here.

Still waitin'...

We're pretty much there now Axis. =^^= The more details I read, the better.

Noted Ganoxia's comp problems, or whatnot. Thanks for posting for him Dornalia. That will be a fine method till he can come back. Hope the problems are fixed soon enough, whatever they are. =oo=

I got SO addicted to EVE Online I forgot to check NS. My nations got deleted but I successfully revived them and will be posting on this name for now on. Also thank you Dorn for doing that favor for me.

Need someone to prod Myth, so to keep moving here and all. Good to see you're around Ganoxia.

Alrighty, next round may begin. And it's a good time to join in too Axis. =^^=

Apologies for the delay if you're waiting on me. I'm down with a particularly nasty variant of the flu virus, so I'm not doing much besides laying in bed and babbling incoherently.

Granted my entrance is not of great priority, but I'll try to get an opener up as soon as I can.

Heh, been there last last November, so no rush for ya here. Probably enough to keep track of, as it is. =^^= Get well soon good sir (or madam, for all I know. Been snapped at for it too. =^^=;;;; )

Sorry I was on holiday for a few. I am gong to respond shortly :P.

I am willing to be a neutral party that will set up a safe zone for civilians bring aid to destroyed areas and host the peace talks (if they happen) is such a position allowed?

TFU: Kay kay...

United: Normally that would work, if not for the plot aim my C-faction will be heading towards, which essentially doesn't view such a thing, as a neutral party. Why is the key part of it all, when I crack it over everyone's collective heads. =^^=

Starting up the whole plot again, just like that. (Heck with excuses, since life is full of em.) Picking things back up, a year or so after the last recorded battle. Felt that was a good place to pick things back up and all. It's now ongoing again, over at the new forums, in case anyone sees this.

i moved on with a new thread on the new forums. It takes place after the war.

What thread? =oo=

http://forum.nationstates.net/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=5456

Its sort of Macross influenced. Also there is a factory satellite (http://www.new-un-spacy.com/sdfmacross/factory-satellite.htm) in the system

Won't be hard to find mine, as I'm going to have a duel occur upon the Terran Lunar surface. Kinda gets a bit out of control from there, before a C-Faction/Old Facet attack in the Sol System.

I'm on MSN if you want to chat