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Apatheticka open for new tank design.

Apatheticka
04-11-2008, 06:17
(OCC: Hoping to get an army thrown together, and would like some sort of kick-ass custom tank, but I have no clue as how to go about making one, except a pretty general idea of what I want. Any help or foreign design submissions would be appreciated, and the outline here is pretty open to change. Skip to the end if you don’t care about IC reasoning.)



Apathetickan Ground Forces Tank Project:

Armor has long played a significant role in Apathetickan military traditions, similar to that of the Navy in Britain.

Recently, the Apathetickan Ground Forces have decided to completely re-arm their Armored Cavalry brigades, following a series of violent coup attempts that have shown their current tanks (Mostly domestically built Soviet T-series tanks, ranging from horribly obsolete post-WWII models, to more modern, yet somewhat dated T-72 and –80s ) to be somewhat out of date when faced with modern anti-tank equipment.

Rather than continuing with the Cold War era strategy of low-cost, high-number vehicles, the military has opted to go the western route, and embrace more expensive, but survivable, vehicles. As of recent years, the Apathetickan economy has grown to the point where costly vehicles are more feasible, and with the recent formation of the Apathetickan Air Forces, armored vehicle doctrine has changed from one of aggressive and swift attack, to one of impregnable, if slow, defense.

Having very little practice in designing their own weapons systems, the Apathetickan government has opened their doors to the world for the first time, hoping to attract outside industries to help them fulfill their needs.

Taking from their experiences in the recent internal conflicts, the staff in charge of the project have laid out the following requirements for their new MBT:


Armament:

Though the 90mm guns of some of the older Apathetickan tanks have been decided to have no place on a modern MBT, the 125mm smoothbores of the T-72 series have been found to be adequate for dealing with any armor encountered thus far. Adding to this the huge number of surplus ammunition available for this size of gun, the only logical choice is to leave size alone.

Likewise, the 7.62mm coaxial machine gun, and the 12.7mm commander’s gun are both tried and true weapons, and the army has seen no need to replace them.

However, despite usually good performance, the autoloaders in use thus far have been shown to occasionally malfunction at some of the worst possible moments, and have been decided not to be a requirement on the new tank designs.

Armor:

One thing found very lacking in many of Apatheticka’s current tanks is sufficient armor. Despite being a very respected career choice, becoming a tanker in the Apathetickan military has been know to half one’s life expectancy during a time of conflict, mostly due to shoddy protection.

Thusly, the government has decided to totally redesign their tanks in this department, incorporating reactive armor, composite materials, and increased RHA ratings, along with blow-out compartments and other survivablility-increasing features found on modern western tanks.

Another new feature the military has considered incorporating is the movement of the tank’s engine to the front of the vehicle, affording it considerably better protection, and more room in the tank for other features. Though this has looked good on paper thus far, it has not been set in stone as a requirement for the new design.

As most conflicts in Apatheticka have been fought on tank-friendly terrain (and those that haven’t been rarely including tanks), the expansion in size and weight brought on by these changes to the armor have been considered to be somewhat irrelevant.

Engine/Drive Train:

Considering the exponential increase in size, it’s been realized that a whole new engine will need to be designed to power the new tank. Decidedly, the tank must be relatively fast with a fair range in order to fulfill combat duty, meaning a certainly high-horsepower, and preferably multi-fuel engine is required. Accordingly, a new transmission will likely require construction.

Suspension will likely be torsion bar based, and the tank should be capable of fording rivers.


Summary of Requirements:

-Crew of three, with autoloader, four without.
-125mm smoothbore capable of firing HEAT and sabot rounds, and preferably 9M119M Refleks guided anti-tank missiles. Room for 35+ rounds preferable. Range of 5km+ preferable.
-7.62mm coaxial machine gun, capable of 600+ RPM, with room for 5000+ rounds.
-12.7mm mounted machine gun, capable of 650-750 RPM, with room for 600+ rounds.
-Armor with a 800mm+ RHA rating against sabot rounds, and a 1300mm RHA rating against HEAT rounds. Chobham, depleted uranium, etc. etc., so long as it works.
-The ability to mount explosive reactive armor, preferably the already available Kontakt-5 or Relikt designs.
- Protected ammunition racks, blow-out panels, and any other reasonable protection methods.
- Engine/drive train capable of 60km/h speeds on decent terrain, preferably multi-fuel and capable of ranges exceeding 600km, and with an hp rating of 1500+.
- Well thought out designs placing the engine in the front of the tank will likely be favored.
- Ability to ford around 0.5m of water.
- Weight under 70 metric tons.
- Cost around or less than 14 million halics (current exchange at about 2h per 1$)
- Domestic production rights are a must.


(OCC: That's really all I can think of. Like I said, I've got no concept of how to go about any of this. Hopefully someone else does!)
Dostanuot Loj
04-11-2008, 06:51
Offer of Sale:

We would like to offer our MCA-7E, or if nessecary an export version, for your consideration. If required the side-skirts (Currently taking up a large mass) can be removed for reduced side protection, and the weapons downgraded to 125mm and others as needed. The autoloader is well suited to your munitions needs for the 125mm gun, as it is designed for two-piece systems, and provides far superior protection keeping the charges in the turret bustle.

Get back to us on your thoughts.

MCA-7E and Derivatives Export Thread: http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=545305

- Nineveh International Executive
Lamoni
04-11-2008, 12:09
LAIX Arms

To: Government of Apatheticka

LAIX Arms would like to introduce Apatheticka to our M-21 Valkyrie MBT. Designed to stand up to and defeat other MBT's, the Valkyrie is capable of standing up to such designs as the LY4A1, Nakil, and the MCA-7E, and delivering a devastating response from it's 120 mm ETC main gun, and it's other weapons.

The M-21 also utilizes the WARRIOR II Battle Management System, which was developed with close cooperation with the Protectorate of Lyras. This system increases operational awareness and data sharing, which is essential to any modern tank force.

There are also provisions for internet use by your soldiers, which has a positive effect on the morale of the units that either have or are attached to the M-21.

Please contact us with any questions that you might have. LAIX Arms looks forward to hearing from the government of Apatheticka.

For a complete description of the M-21 Valkyrie MBT, please review this thread:

http://z4.invisionfree.com/NSDraftroom/index.php?showtopic=4169

- LAIX Arms
Apatheticka
05-11-2008, 01:22
Offical AGF Communication

RE: AGF Tank Project

To whom it may concern,

The Apathetickan government thanks you for taking the time to respond to our needs. We are not yet prepared to make a choice regarding which design will be adopted at this time, but will take into consideration the promptness in which your designs were submitted. For now, we plan to remain open for one more (RL) day to any other nations or corperations wishing to submit a tank.

The only question we have at this time pertains to any record of operating history of these tanks that could be made available to us, in order to get an idea of how the vehicles fare in genuine combat situations.

We look forward to hearing from you, and thank you for your excellent submissions.

- AGF Armament Council
Chernobl
05-11-2008, 01:27
To:Apathetican Ministry of Defense
From:CMI
For your consideration, the Hades.

link:http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=567139
Third Spanish States
05-11-2008, 02:10
For Sale:

The MilNet, representing multiple cooperative companies like Tienda del Coche, CotArm and FSoft, would like to offer our three models of battle tanks to the Ministry of Defence, each with unique roles and capabilities, suited for specific types of landscape, and up-to-date with the latest concepts of network-centric warfare. All of them have support for the commander to assume control of nearby unmanned vehicles, and an extensive information awareness technology that makes the act of opening the hatch to see what lies around and the limited field of view of older tanks essentially obsolete for most situations.

The Sino Stealth Tank is a highly mobile tank, which relies on its agility, low profile and signature and advanced active protection systems rather than on passive protection of armor to ensure its survivability and is optimal for rough terrains where more conventional tanks would slog or be vulnerable, including forests, hills, amphibious operations and urban areas. If your nation is featured by a geography mostly unfriendly to armors, it's a better choice than heavier armors, and packs a design with potential expansion to serve as the basis of an effectively airborne tank.

The Sino 2A1 Main Battle Tank, on the other hand, is a good all-rounder, with a cohesive degree of protection, a higher acceleration, mobility and lower profile and signature than most tanks of the same caliber, plus it packs a pair of machineguns with advanced targeting systems that allow them to effectively aim against helicopters and other low flying threats, and a coaxial autocannon. It has recently entered in a trial by fire in a conflict between the Confederacy of Third Spanish States and the People's Republic of Spain, demonstrating exceptional records both in infantry support and in engagements with other tanks.

Now if your nation terrain is mostly flat, the Cáscara 2A1 Heavy Assault Tank is the best choice. Armed with a 135mm cannon which can be used either as an artillery and as a tank gun thanks to variable muzzle, giving to the Cáscara 2A1 an impressive support fire capability, and with one of its ammunition types specifically designed to defeat bleeding edge armor technologies like experimental carbon nanotubes applications in tank armor, it also supports two types of missiles with anti-air and anti-tank(ADATS) or anti-personell capabilities and two autocannons, and can punch through many lines of defense in the hands of a proper tactician, which will soon be demonstrated in live combat as it begins its military operations in Spain. The datafiles on each of these tanks, and on their respective guns, are below:

-> ST120-A Sino Stealth Tank (http://forums3.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=13702007&postcount=17)
--> MTIS-L120 Lightweight 120mm, L44 stealth ETC gun and turret (http://forums3.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=13944693&postcount=28)

-> ST120-B Sino 2A1 Main Battle Tank (http://forums3.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=13702061&postcount=18)
--> MTIS-M120 Standard 120mm, L55 low signature ETC gun and turret (http://forums3.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=13944696&postcount=29)

-> HT135-B Cáscara 2A1 "Fortress Buster" Heavy Tank (http://forums3.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=13944658&postcount=25)
--> MTIS-M135 Heavy 135mm dual-purpose gun, caliber 52 (http://forums3.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=13944701&postcount=30)

If you are interested, you can either request one of these tanks through the Army Storefront of the Commonwealth of Land Warfare Cooperatives (http://forums3.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=563839), or directly by request to me by replying to this message.

(OOC: As for operating history, for now this is it. Just assume that In-character reports were sent:
http://forums3.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=14032213&postcount=33
http://forums3.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=14054263&postcount=35 )
Dostanuot Loj
05-11-2008, 02:38
Offical AGF Communication

RE: AGF Tank Project

To whom it may concern,

The Apathetickan government thanks you for taking the time to respond to our needs. We are not yet prepared to make a choice regarding which design will be adopted at this time, but will take into consideration the promptness in which your designs were submitted. For now, we plan to remain open for one more (RL) day to any other nations or corperations wishing to submit a tank.

The only question we have at this time pertains to any record of operating history of these tanks that could be made available to us, in order to get an idea of how the vehicles fare in genuine combat situations.

We look forward to hearing from you, and thank you for your excellent submissions.

- AGF Armament Council

Response:

While we do not keep tabs on foreign use of our products, it is know that the MCA-7 has seen service in more then thirteen nations, and several of those have used them in combat. We have heard no complaints. Our own forces praise the MCA-7's high levels of all three nessecary categories, protection, mobility, and firepower, in both training and real combat situations. Weight has such been the only possible issue we are aware of, and for a nation like ours it is not an issue. For your nation we are capable of reducing the weight as we have offered. Likewise the turret protection can be removed and if you desire a new suit designed for the turret to allow lower weight while keeping the chassis protection high, ensuring crew survivability.

- Nineveh International Executive
Lamoni
05-11-2008, 07:58
Offical AGF Communication

RE: AGF Tank Project

To whom it may concern,

The Apathetickan government thanks you for taking the time to respond to our needs. We are not yet prepared to make a choice regarding which design will be adopted at this time, but will take into consideration the promptness in which your designs were submitted. For now, we plan to remain open for one more (RL) day to any other nations or corperations wishing to submit a tank.

The only question we have at this time pertains to any record of operating history of these tanks that could be made available to us, in order to get an idea of how the vehicles fare in genuine combat situations.

We look forward to hearing from you, and thank you for your excellent submissions.

- AGF Armament Council

LAIX Arms Response:

While we do not keep track of our weapons that have been exported, the M-21 has been exported to Kewen, from whom we have heard no complaints; and we have received word from the Protectorate of Lyras that our M-21 tanks are Flexible, Adaptive, and well-balanced.
Apatheticka
06-11-2008, 09:24
Official AFG Communication

Re: AGF Tank Project
Cc: ADA

To whom it may concern,

Apatheticka wishes once again to thank all of those who have submitted designs for our consideration, and wishes to announce that we have reached a conclusion.

Apatheticka would like to make arrangements with the Nineveh Armored Works for the rights to a limited domestic production run of one thousand MCA-7E Main Battle Tanks, with aforementioned armament modifications, at a cost of 15,000,000,000 U.S. dollars.

Furthermore, Apatheticka wishes to place an order with the Third Spanish States for three hundred Cáscara 2A1 Heavy Assault Tanks, at 6,000,000,000 U.S. dollars.

We thank both of these outstanding manufacturers for their helpfulness, and hope to conduct business with them in the near future.

- AGF Armament Council
Dostanuot Loj
06-11-2008, 12:22
Official AFG Communication

Re: AGF Tank Project
Cc: ADA

To whom it may concern,

Apatheticka wishes once again to thank all of those who have submitted designs for our consideration, and wishes to announce that we have reached a conclusion.

Apatheticka would like to make arrangements with the Nineveh Armored Works for the rights to a limited domestic production run of one thousand MCA-7E Main Battle Tanks, with aforementioned armament modifications, at a cost of 15,000,000,000 U.S. dollars.

Furthermore, Apatheticka wishes to place an order with the Third Spanish States for three hundred Cáscara 2A1 Heavy Assault Tanks, at 6,000,000,000 U.S. dollars.

We thank both of these outstanding manufacturers for their helpfulness, and hope to conduct business with them in the near future.

- AGF Armament Council

Response:

The order is confirmed. As you will be producing the run yourself we will provide you with the necessary modifications to tooling to rearm as you desire with 125mm and other assorted weaponry. Likewise, as the armour is all modular, you may remove it as you see fit for your weight restrictions.

We hope your forces find this superior armoured vehicle to their liking.

- Nineveh International Executive
Third Spanish States
06-11-2008, 18:26
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TO: Apathetickan Ground Forces
CC: milnet.public@commerce.tss, diplonet.public@exports.tss
FROM: Ruiz Sanchez, MilNet manager and representative (rsanchez@milnet.tss)
SUBJECT: Purchase Request Approved



Apathetickan Ground Forces Armament Council wrote:

Re: AGF Tank Project
Cc: ADA

To whom it may concern,

Apatheticka wishes once again to thank all of those who have submitted designs for our consideration, and wishes to announce that we have reached a conclusion.

Apatheticka would like to make arrangements with the Nineveh Armored Works for the rights to a limited domestic production run of one thousand MCA-7E Main Battle Tanks, with aforementioned armament modifications, at a cost of 15,000,000,000 U.S. dollars.

Furthermore, Apatheticka wishes to place an order with the Third Spanish States for three hundred Cáscara 2A1 Heavy Assault Tanks, at 6,000,000,000 U.S. dollars.

We thank both of these outstanding manufacturers for their helpfulness, and hope to conduct business with them in the near future.

- AGF Armament Council

First of all, I am happy to inform that all the three hundred Cáscara 2A1 Heavy Assault Tanks you have requested are currently on stock thanks to a contingency stockpile the MilNet has built for military operations which has luckily become unnecessary. Thus, we will cover all shipping costs, and we can ensure the delivery of the order in at most two months and half. Also, as a technical note that might be of interest, the MTIS-M135 is actually a 140mm tank gun rechambered to the 135mm caliber due to recoil considerations and to the advantages of a double-walled barrel.

Should you have interest, there is the possibility of designing a 125mm dual-purpose gun variant of the MTIS-M135 that would also serve both as an artillery and as a tank gun, although it would kill the primary role of the vehicle, and remove one of the reasons for its heavy weight, which is to be able to stand the recoil of its gun. Removing part of its modular reactive armor while keeping the minimum necessary to stand a RPG would be recommended should for a reason the re-chamber to a 125mm caliber become tactically interesting for the roles it could fulfill in your nation, and we can provide the technical expertise for such task free of charge, as a promotional service that is given for any large-scale procurement.