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Keep the clutter in here. This is for the Automagfreek VS New Fascist White States roleplay.

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=570497

I'm following the RP with interest, but I won't take part because of OOC issues with the player behind the original FWS/CM/DA/VE.

It's a different player, not the same as the one from 2004. I know this guy, he's cool.

Ah, Syngia's finally learnt how to deal with Minister Hartman...

At any rate, and out of curiousity, where would ABC (public news corporation, a la BBC) reporters filming a minor news story in FWS find themselves when AMF troops rampaged the place?

OOC:Whats the point. any other action taken other then appeasement will lead to "STORM ZE ENIMIES!" followed by a cloud of 2 billion soldiers.

Then why get involved in the first place? When your nation ICly taunts one of THE most hostile and militarized nations in the game, you shouldn't be surprised when your nation falls in the crosshairs.

AMF
I posted a question to you as first responce in the IC thread asking if a journalist can tag along to watch you exterminate NFWS. Could ya respond to that? Thankies. :)

I will in my next post. For the record, all journalists will be allowed to do thier jobs provided they remain neutral third parties. I'll elaborate in my next post.

I will in my next post. For the record, all journalists will be allowed to do thier jobs provided they remain neutral third parties. I'll elaborate in my next post.

Works for me. I'm looking to do more civilian-based character RPing, and in my mind, reporting on an AMF extermination seems a good place to start. Roll out those blue vests...

Then why get involved in the first place? When your nation ICly taunts one of THE most hostile and militarized nations in the game, you shouldn't be surprised when your nation falls in the crosshairs.

Indeed. Good writing so far guys. Keep it up.

I fairly new to the forums and I don't know everyone, so I'm sorry I assume things.

Hey, AMF, I think you should start a Newsfeed Thread for all The Newsfeed of NS coveing this.

what a waste of time

you made one and no cared as no one cared for your war

AMF, did you see my post?

Just curious, did you annihilate NFWS before?

Just curious, did you annihilate NFWS before?

it say in this thread It's a different player then the last one so how could Automagfreek annihilate NFWS before if it's a new player Geal ?

it say in this thread It's a different player then the last one so how could Automagfreek annihilate NFWS before if it's a new player Geal ?

Well, it seems that IC approach of AMF and NFWS is that current NFWS is IC successor of some older NFWS. So I guess Greal is asking what exactly happened between previous NFWS and AMF to get better overview of backstory.

To: The Nation of Automagfreek

How dare you threaten the sovereignty of our nation! We express our disgust over your actions and you threaten us with war! This is most unreasonable. We never threatened war, we never promised reprisal. We will not retract our statements, nor 'beg Lord Dreadfire for mercy'.

We call to the international community for assistance, should the Nation of Automagfreek indeed make war with our nation we ask that other nations stand by us. We beg that other nations stand by freedom, and stand against tyranny.

Yes, I'm certain the international community will get right on that...

Seems more of the same Foreign Relations Sanitarium that II has for ages been. Lets go with an hypothetical situation, nevermind its complete lack of plausibility.

If Soviet Union, Poland and all other Eastern European States declared war on Nazi Germany in 1936 and you were the head of State of Luxembourg, would you support the Nazis to "stand by freedom, and stand against tyranny"?

Yes, I'm certain the international community will get right on that...
No thanks to you ya bum! *spray paints 'The end is fucking near' on parliament building

Seems more of the same Foreign Relations Sanitarium that II has for ages been. Lets go with an hypothetical situation, nevermind its complete lack of plausibility.

If Soviet Union, Poland and all other Eastern European States declared war on Nazi Germany in 1936 and you were the head of State of Luxembourg, would you support the Nazis to "stand by freedom, and stand against tyranny"?

Hell no, but lets say that luxembourg expressed its displeasure at the actions of the soviet union because germany had done nothing wrong up to that point. Then lets say that the soviet union invaded Luxembourg for making such statements...

Sounds like the Soviets..... or should I say Freeks. But I must clearify something. the statement made by AMF said no help is required from his esteemed allies or those trying to ride their coattails to victory... I never offered assistance in the invasion, I simplly wanted to aatck The Sygnia guy before the Freeks did...

Why the fuck would you want to attack him? I know people like you. You hoot, hollar, and jump around, but in the end you wait for others to attack first....people like you are nothing more than parasites. I'm glad Automagfreek called you one it

So AMF did annihilate him last time?

the old one, not the new one Yet

The old FWS was controlled by a player that is now banned. In a nutshell, I took FWS under my wing ICly, after which he started mindlessly attacking other nations. He then used my protection as a shield against retalliation, and ICly pissed me off to the point where AMF took him completely out in one swift stroke. Even though the new FWS is controlled by a different player (actually, he's a buddy of mine), the old feud still exists.

You guys know you're using very weak cryptography right?

I hope some really big nation joins the anti Automagfreek people soon, or this will just be a massacre, and massacres are no fun. Maybe Automagfreek could limit the number of troops he commits to make it so alliance forces aren't destroyed in like 1 day? Because according to my calculations, the alliance has around 113 million men, and Automagfreek has something like 600 million.

Taking into account how well trained, funded, and experienced my armed forces are, I doubt I will need to deploy massive numbers in order to accomplish my objectives. Besides, transporting that many men (in the millions) would be a nightmare for anyone.

oh yeah!

so if we kill enough of your men, you will just give up and go away? Because at this point that seems like the only way we can win. By the way, why has'nt NFW posted at all, I mean it is him getting attacked, mainly.

so if we kill enough of your men, you will just give up and go away?

No, not likely. If you can manage to kill enough of my men I'll simply send more, much more. I don't think it will get to that point though, but we'll see how it goes.

NFWS is probably just busy, not everyone is on NS all day. He should be around soon.

I hope some really big nation joins the anti Automagfreek people soon, or this will just be a massacre, and massacres are no fun. Maybe Automagfreek could limit the number of troops he commits to make it so alliance forces aren't destroyed in like 1 day? Because according to my calculations, the alliance has around 113 million men, and Automagfreek has something like 600 million.

Nobody can deploy 600 million men army over large distances by sea. Its simply not possible logistically. Divide this number with 100 and you start reaching to ranges which may be achieved by very large(in NS sense) nations if a lot of effort is put into it.

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=14151658&postcount=38

Um...Brydog, did you just invite yourself in on my side? I said ICly that I don't want any help.

I don't like the whole discussion of "this will just be a massacre."

Ever heard of Vietnam? Ever heard of Iraq?

In both cases, the undermanned foe didn't just lie down and surrender because the big bad United States came after them. There's always the possibility of insurgencies that continue to fight from the shadows after a regular army is vanquished in the field.

In many cases, invaders are at a disadvantage when they're facing a populace that's defending their homes and their way of life against an enemy they believe would take both away. When you feel like that enemy soldier's going to kill your family, you're going to fight extra hard to prevent that from happening.

Besides, if NFWS is as good militarily as he seems to be with setting the scenes in his early posts, he could give AMF a run for his money for a while even without a bunch of numbers.

I don't like the whole discussion of "this will just be a massacre."

Ever heard of Vietnam? Ever heard of Iraq?

In both cases, the undermanned foe didn't just lie down and surrender because the big bad United States came after them. There's always the possibility of insurgencies that continue to fight from the shadows after a regular army is vanquished in the field.

In many cases, invaders are at a disadvantage when they're facing a populace that's defending their homes and their way of life against an enemy they believe would take both away. When you feel like that enemy soldier's going to kill your family, you're going to fight extra hard to prevent that from happening.

Besides, if NFWS is as good militarily as he seems to be with setting the scenes in his early posts, he could give AMF a run for his money for a while even without a bunch of numbers.


Ever heard of NUKES? Cause AMF sounds like the kind of nation that would use them against guerillas.

Calendrandia, special ops generally don't number in the tens of thousands of men. At that scale they're more or less an infantry force.

AMF, check your TG's please.

Calendrandia, special ops generally don't number in the tens of thousands of men. At that scale they're more or less an infantry force.

Ok, maybe their more of a very, very highly trained infantry/paratrooper force. They were trained by special ops guys, but aren't quite as good as them. Also I think there's a way so the allies don't just get crushed. If AMG goes for occupation, then we could have insurgencies and guerilla warfare et cetera et cetera, but only if AMG doesn't resort to WMDs. Also, according to my calculations, the total combined allied forces are only outnumbered by 487,950 men. Also AMG has the problem of his men being spread out over a wide front, plus transportation issues. We might have a chance.

Why the fuck would you want to attack him? I know people like you. You hoot, hollar, and jump around, but in the end you wait for others to attack first....people like you are nothing more than parasites. I'm glad Automagfreek called you one it

The corporation is not stupid and would never outright attack AMF, such an action would be suicide. Also I said I would attack provided AMf saw it fit to let me enegae with his blessing, condidering that the nation of Sygnia threatened him it was AMF's call because he is his enemy... not mine. So he never actually called me out as I simplly wanted to take his kill.

Which I am still waiting for AMF. Kill or no kill.

'evening Gents

Is this meant to be a re-run of WWII? If so, GB might be interested in assisting America (AMF).

One, re-enactment is against the rules if I remember correctly, two, AMF is far from being America, three, he already said on this page he doesn't want any help.

Nit-picking, for the win.

Hey Steelios, you know you're being attacked right now don't you? Also I'm waiting for you to respond to my message and give my troops permission to land.

One, re-enactment is against the rules if I remember correctly, two, AMF is far from being America, three, he already said on this page he doesn't want any help.

Nit-picking, for the win.
Is the chap more of a USSR?

Is the chap more of a USSR?

You didn't misplace these boards as alternatehistory dot com, did you?

He's not anything to do with WWII.

Oh do excuse me, I assumed that a country called 'Fascist White States' whose location is Germany was an obvious analogue of the nazi german regime.

What sort of ideological differences are there between the aforementioned and Automagfreek?

Steelios, nice dodge! Are you still going to fight AMF covertly?

I don't think so, no. I mean, I'm barely an established nation. No way am I taking on Damien Dreadfire. My only real problem was I thought Automagfreek was attacking a truebie. I missed the part about them knowing eachother RL. What I'll do is use my strange gift that allows me to be the last person to post in a thread to stop the war.

dang it, We had a plan too.

Eh, I'm gonna back out of this too. Not that Automagfreek knew about my involvement ICly, anyway.

FYI: I'm not sure NFWS will be on to much, he's got some RL things he's taking care of right now. There's a couple things I was planning on doing with him that have been put on hold indefinitely due to that.

Well, there goes the entire plan. And there I go, Sorry DR and NFWS:(, but there's just 15 million of us. Good thing I stayed covert!:D

I'm going to give NFWS a chance to reply before I go any further.

Ok, so I've had a LOT of stuff going on. I'm back now, just reading up on IC before I make a reply, then I'll read up and reply here

Sorry for wordless disappearance

Alright, good.

Sorry for disappearance. I got a post in and should be able to get another one on Thursday, no promises for tomorrow.

Come on people! Does no one else want to stand against Automagfreek? Let's make this exciting!

Disregarding ideology it seems i'm making a turn to look like japan with regards to WWII enactment.
Taking that aside i do hope nobody is planning to use 2.000.000 nuclear bombs and create a nuclear winter for us all.

No...not at all...

Haha, nah. While I'm against closing threads in terms of what can and can't be used, I like to refrain from using nukes.

Tybra;14166812']Disregarding ideology it seems i'm making a turn to look like japan with regards to WWII enactment.
Taking that aside i do hope nobody is planning to use 2.000.000 nuclear bombs and create a nuclear winter for us all.

nuclear winter ,follow by a Fall Out way of life

I'll put up a response ASAP. Its possible that a few of my air transports have passed the blockade, but the rest of my planes will have to fight their way inside.

Fallout 1 & 2 were kick ass games

Syngia;14178453']Fallout 1 & 2 were kick ass games

playing 3 on the 360,not bad

Syngia;14178453']16 million soldiers...

16,200,000 this is the currently acceptable number of soldiers ( combat and non-combat ) that many nations will accept at your current population of 324 million. This means your pledge of 16 million troops will leave you with a grand total of 200,000 logistics personnel... you military will be completely depleted. your nation will fall into anarchy, and your people will run rampant. you maight want to rethink this a little.

Just so everyone knows, I still haven't RP'd my ships entering NFWS's waters, so I'd use caution before assuming too much. I'll get a post up this weekend, though I'm not sure when because I'll be out of town.

He has a point dude. While I do know people who did RP with 10% of their population in military, and you can, most people usually go with around 5%.
Also, do those numbers include logistics forces?

Ah, ok. I was mistake, I thought you were in my waters already.

Well, I don't look forward to going back and editing all of that...so...let's assume I didn't make that mistake!

Just so everyone knows, I still haven't RP'd my ships entering NFWS's waters, so I'd use caution before assuming too much. I'll get a post up this weekend, though I'm not sure when because I'll be out of town.

I better put up a post before your blockading ships are in position.

Syngia, I'd also like to point out that it would be completely impossible for you to move a force that large to NFWS without anyone knowing. Not to mention how long it would take...

I'm going to be gone for 2 days, so I'd appreciate it if people didn't pile up posts while I'm away.

can I see how you got this conclusion of yours?

Automagfreek you do have a point.

Syngia;14187493']can I see how you got this conclusion of yours?

You're talking about moving a force roughly the size of the entire population of Florida in secret, and it can't be done. Do you realize how many ships it would take to transport 16 million soldiers? Do you realize that all of these soldiers need food to eat, ammunition to fight with, and other provisions which require supply ships to be present to support them all? Do you realize that the massive amount of transport ships need to be protected by even more warships or else they are easy targets? Do you realize that you need quite a few supporting personnel for every soldier you have in the field, meaning your force of 16 million will actually increase several fold?

Quite simply put, you don't have the ships to transport, supply and defend a force that size. The sheer number of ships it would take to pull it off in the first place is way more than any one nation can muster, and to try to do so in secret is more or less godmodding.

16 million soldiers... it would be just like that.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xohHiMvEko4

I edited my post. I'm just moving soldiers in, its no longer secret. I was asking how raven corps got to the conclusion that a nation of my size would only be able to support 16.2 million military personnel. The German Army in world war two have 9 million Soldiers. they only had around 70 million people. so then why is it so hard to believe that a nation with 360 million can't have an army of 16 million combat troops

That's all I'm saying.

Is Syngia National-Socialist? Are you willing to RP the psychological and economical consequences of this mobilization? Do you have a direct land link with your objective, like the Germans had with the Soviet so they wouldn't need to conduct amphibious operations or shipping of supplies through the sea?

Syngia;14190929']I edited my post. I'm just moving soldiers in, its no longer secret. I was asking how raven corps got to the conclusion that a nation of my size would only be able to support 16.2 million military personnel. The German Army in world war two have 9 million Soldiers. they only had around 70 million people. so then why is it so hard to believe that a nation with 360 million can't have an army of 16 million combat troops

That's all I'm saying.

Germany was also going flat broke.

my soldiers are trained from the age of 7, they don't feel remorse and are immune to propaganda. besides havn't you ever heard deficit spending? deficit spending means it no longer matters how much i spend, just look at the United States between 1941-1991

NFWS made it sound like his nation is on an island. So I don't know if i could have land route.

People should read more about the Falklands War, and about the logistical difficulties of the Royal Navy despite the fact they were much superior to their enemies.

England has a history of military opps.

You can be a 10 billion nation, but if you need to cross an entire world to reach an enemy you won't be able to send as much forces as you could against an enemy bordering you. I'm not sure on the numbers of the entire AMF military, but he knows that he can't just deploy hundreds of millions at once through sea without wanking.

Plus what if they fail? What if AMF goes straight to you? 16 millions could make a huuge difference.

Good point what if I just sent 800,000 to NFWS, and kept the rest of my forces in syngia and gradually escalate troops.

First, I'm not an island. I RP as bordering other nations. Thought honestly, don't have any picked out.

That's alot more reasonable, certainly easier.

As to how Germany supported that, they had a complete military complex which was the crux of their entire nation. Their conquest and everything kept them going, however, it was a system inherently doomed for when things slowed down it would unravel.

Anyways, I think 16 million men in your armed forces is perfectly plausible. However, that includes all your sailors and pilots, and all the logistical men for all three of those forces. And you always have more than twice as many logistical men as actual combat soliders/pilots/sailors.

And AMF, any idea when you can get a post up? I don't exactly have an abundance of time either, I just want to make sure I can get one up after you.

Maybe my nation can be bordering a nation bordering you?

Yeah i have around 8 million combat troops and the rest are sailors, pilots and logistics personnel

I'd have no problem with that. However, I think just deciding so in the middle of a conflict when doing so would be advantageous to us is a bit of a wank.

Syngia;14190929']I edited my post. I'm just moving soldiers in, its no longer secret. I was asking how raven corps got to the conclusion that a nation of my size would only be able to support 16.2 million military personnel. The German Army in world war two have 9 million Soldiers. they only had around 70 million people. so then why is it so hard to believe that a nation with 360 million can't have an army of 16 million combat troops

That's all I'm saying.

16 million combat troops would require somewhere between 30 and 60 million logistical personnel to keep them supplied, fed, and on the move. A ground force of this size would consume a little under 200,000 metric tons of food and water each day, or about the mass displaced by a very large battleship. Salaries alone would cost your nation $50 billion a week. The number of supply ships required to provide the troops with two weeks' sustenance in terms of necessities, ammunition, clothing and the like, assuming a cargo capacity of 10,000 metric tons per ship (which is fairly large), would be well over 3,000, and with their crews and logistical personnel you're looking at another ~12-15 million people. To say nothing of all the escorts those supply ships would require, plus the actual transport ships being used to bring your soldiers there (you'd need at least 3000 just for the combat personnel).

Ok, I'll stop now, but I think you get the idea.

Funding a 16million large army is not really an issue because he does have a population of 360 million and with a high population he could easily fund it. Also using the napoleon way of moving (just move and it's of no concern where you get your supplies from) , personal needed to supply a large army can be decreased. Good combat equipment, good training can greatly limit the amount of personal.
Also an army is awake 24 hours, with constant movement you could move 16million soldiers in a month
What i'm more curious about is if syngia is planning to move his entire natiion military to NWFS or not.

I don't like the whole discussion of "this will just be a massacre."

Ever heard of Vietnam? Ever heard of Iraq?

In both cases, the undermanned foe didn't just lie down and surrender because the big bad United States came after them. There's always the possibility of insurgencies that continue to fight from the shadows after a regular army is vanquished in the field.

In many cases, invaders are at a disadvantage when they're facing a populace that's defending their homes and their way of life against an enemy they believe would take both away. When you feel like that enemy soldier's going to kill your family, you're going to fight extra hard to prevent that from happening.

Besides, if NFWS is as good militarily as he seems to be with setting the scenes in his early posts, he could give AMF a run for his money for a while even without a bunch of numbers.

Vietnam relied on fact that they needed political victory, not military victory. RL nations are far more pacifist then average NS nation, especially AMF, so trying Vietnam style tactics sounds more like an invitation for genocide.

Anyway, if NFWS is far away from Gholgoth, then logistics distances could easily mean, that he can field numerically larger force then AMF even if he has 20 times smaller population. Although obviously AMF could compensate it by sending his best troops and having qualitative advantage.

Again Where are you coming up with these Numbers? are you pulling these out of you ass?
All I want to know is where the hell are you getting these numbers. Not every army works in the same inefficient way. the Vietcong live on a bowl of rice a day. did you ever consider that maybe my troops are trained to eat less? did you know that when a human consumes 1500 calories or less, the human body goes in to high efficiency mode and becomes more perceptive and has faster reactions. Also did you consider maybe my Vehicles use less fuel or entirely different fuel source then Gasoline.
Who says my soldiers are paid with currency? Who says my currency is worth more or less then a dollar. The type of Government I use also factors in, along with the society of my nation.

All I'm trying to say is that there are so many variables being missed.

If you don't pay your soldiers with currency and they subsist on a bowl of rice a day, morale will drop so dramatically that AMF will be able to nab deserters by offering them full meals.

Well, I'll be fair. I haven't heard your point of view yet. Could you please explain:

(a) exactly how many logistical personnel you are using to support your 16 million combat troops;

(b) how much you pay your logistical personnel and your combat troops, per annum, in USD;

(c) how much food and water each individual deployed will consume per day, on average, in kilograms;

(d) how the troops and logistical personnel are being transported to NFWS;
i. the cargo capacity of the transport planes or ships being used for this purpose;
(e) any other mitigating factors that might make such a deployment more realistic. (i.e. overseas military bases, foreign aid, etc.)

First off my nation is a spartan styled national socialist government. As such, soldiers are trained from the age of 7, they are immune to demoralization, propaganda, and are remorseless. Warriors are the center of society, and many people in my nation would work to benefit the military for minimal payment and even no payment. Only citizens who serve in the military can vote for local officials or run for office themselves. Only citizens who serve can own a business.

second, I have 8 million combat troops and 8 million professional militia (they can do they same stuff that the regulars can, they just aren't payed. They stay in Syngia unless called upon.)

third: soldiers are paid with huge tax breaks during war and also parcels of land to which they don't have to pay taxes for.

there are 20 million logistics personnel, each lives in a government facility free of charge. everything they need is supplied. for this, they receive no pay. they are some of the best treated people in Syngia next to soldiers.

Each soldier is supplied with around 1.4 gallons of water and 1500-1600 calories of food a day (they trained for this, and as such do not lose morale. Besides you live an extra 10-20 years doing that)

We can transport troops with our SAPT-90 Cargo plane which can carry 250 soldiers or 55 tons(this is a really big plane and requires a big airport.)
Or our SAPT-92 which can carry 50 soldiers and 30.2 tons. (this plane can land on make shift dirt air strips)

Our SHT-80 is a helicopter that can carry 20 soldiers and 5 tons

our naval transport ship the NPT-M can carry 20000 personnel around 14000 soldiers and 6000 crew...

I don't have time to finish this right now so later...
Also you never did answer where you got your information.

Are you pulling these out of your ass?
All I want to know is where the hell are you getting these numbers.

Really, man. Keep it clean.

I'll leave aside for the moment the question of political realism -- NS is after all a place where you can explore your ideas about how government should work -- and concede the point of military service: any Heinleinesque model is sufficiently realistic to suffice in NS, even if it might not be ideal in real life.

However, I will question the political wisdom of deploying reservists overseas, especially to help out an ally under attack by a member of a large and well-established alliance. It's your choice really, but it does mean that if Automagfreek or its numerous allies come down on you for helping out their enemies, you'll have no trained military personnel on hand to defend your shores and will have to resort to handing weapons to civilians (which would make for a cool insurgency/occupation storyline, but is fairly short-sighted ICly).

Also, paying soldiers with tax breaks is kind of useless if you're not paying them any actual currency, unless your nation is on the Zimbabwe Dollar or otherwise in such a situation of economic crisis that money is not as useful.

The 20 million logistical personnel would make a logistics:combat ratio of only a little over 1:1. This is not an ideal ratio, although I don't remember what exactly the ideal ratio was -- I've seen everything from 2:1 to about 10:1 for ground forces. As a rule, the more logistical personnel you have, the better-oiled your metaphorical war machine is. (Common ratios I've seen for naval forces run from 6:1 to over 20:1, and for air forces 60:1 or more.)

Assuming half of your logistical personnel are being deployed along with the troops to the front, that makes 26 million ground forces being transported. Those would fit in 104,000 SAPT-90 cargo planes.... yeah.... you'd need a *big* airport. :P Well, more realistically, the cargo planes would land an advance guard of combat engineers, special forces, logistical personnel and the like to construct bases and communication networks for the main body of the troops. Let's say 100-200,000 people, so you'd need only about 800 of the big planes. A large NS airport could service those.

The NPT-M transport ships would do most of the legwork, carrying the other 25.8 million individuals. You'd still need 1,843 of them, crewed by 11.06 million sailors. Those 1,843 ships would have to be escorted by a large fleet of, say, 400 or 500 combat ships at minimum; let's say 16-18 million sailors total. Ships need more logistical personnel than ground forces due to all the maintenance and stuff, hence if we go by a 4:1 ratio, that's another 64+ million logistical personnel, of whom a significant number (probably 30-40%) could probably be civilian contractors if your government was *really* cutting corners.

Unless the 8 million and 20 million figures you quoted are for all branches of the military and not just the ground army, which wasn't clear.

You get another loophole if you're only about, say, 200 nautical miles from NFWS, and can deploy the troops in multiple trips. Let's say only 300 transport ships are used, for six trips, which could be done in about a week -- that's only 1.8 million sailors, requiring 7.2 million logistical personnel minimum.

As for where I'm getting these numbers -- they're figures I've seen quoted by established RPers on various occasions, which means that they were probably pulled out of someone's ass. Nonetheless, they're ass-pulls from people with longstanding interests in modern warfare, so they probably have some basis in reality. People tend to abide by them around here just to avoid being called on by one of said established RPers. In short, they're unwritten NS rules, much like the old nuclear program rule (200 million population) or the 5% rule.

Syngia;14207496']Again Where are you coming up with these Numbers? are you pulling these out of you ass?
All I want to know is where the hell are you getting these numbers. Not every army works in the same inefficient way. the Vietcong live on a bowl of rice a day. did you ever consider that maybe my troops are trained to eat less? did you know that when a human consumes 1500 calories or less, the human body goes in to high efficiency mode and becomes more perceptive and has faster reactions. Also did you consider maybe my Vehicles use less fuel or entirely different fuel source then Gasoline.
Who says my soldiers are paid with currency? Who says my currency is worth more or less then a dollar. The type of Government I use also factors in, along with the society of my nation.

All I'm trying to say is that there are so many variables being missed.


A bowel of rice a day... wow. But still. Your soldiers are not the vietcong, they dont use just a small arms weapons and carry nothing mor then clothing. Your soldiers will be carrying stuff like, foxhole tools, medical equipment, addtitional weapons, armor, etc... they will burn far more energy they the average vietcong member as they will be preforming at an intensity level far more then vietnam....

Sorry for not getting a reply up, I've been dealing with a lot of personal issues.

Thank you for telling me where you got that, one thing that really annoys me is when people say information and then don't try to back it up with facts.(It really annoys me) So I Apologies my brash use of language.
Also, I would like to point out that I'm only sending 800,000 soldiers to NFWS.

It's alright AMF, just too bad we both went through personal stuff at diff. times, heh. Take your time dude, I'll be here when you're ready and I'm sure the other guys will too, don't feel pressured or anything.

Syngia;14216960']
Also, I would like to point out that I'm only sending 800,000 soldiers to NFWS.

You have to get them through me first. ;)

yes, that is the hard part

Wow, sorry, just saw that you posted. I'm on a friend's computer now and kinda outta it, but I'll try to pull something together.