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After a recent discovery where Upsilon Zeta was found to have participated in planning of a coup against Immortal Interimo and destabilize the government. The trial is now being conducted. Here is the personnel:

Defense:
Wrestling Tomato
Upsilon Zeta

Prosecution:
Azulfure

Judge:
The Shamoin Islands

Jury (Active Members):
The Kerkian Coast
Fozkria
Shamoins Seceding
Boogle Boogle Boogle
Rolcrozistan
PowderPuffGut
Salvatorius

How do you plead Zeta?

On behalf of Upsilon Zeta, as defense attorney, we plea not guilty.

Will the prosecution please make their opening statement?

Yes, Your Honor.

The defendant, Upsilon Zeta, is accused of treason, spying, and spying for Corrosia. We intend to seek the truth regarding this incident through this trial, and indict the most fitting punishment for her actions.

Anyways, here is how the incident began. Kerkain Coast, as a test of loyalty, sent two nations a telegram. The telegram (An exact quote is unavailable at this time) asked the two nations if they wanted to 'destroy' Immortal Interimo. These nations were Boogle Boogle Boogle, and the defendant. Boogle Boogle Boogle refused, and I believe reported it to Shamoin Islands, the region's founder. Upsilon Zeta, however, agreed to the proposal.

This means, beyond a shadow of a doubt, that the defendant is guilty of at least one of the three crimes, and that is an attempt of treason. The defendant does not deny it on the Regional Message Board:

10/23/08 11:00 PM EST
"I'll leave if you want. It's a game. I like disrupting things. If you don't want me here I'm fine going."

However, in this post, she also denies having any ties with Corrosia.

10/23/08 3:59 PM EST
I seriously promise I am not a spy for Corrosia. Sure, I'll stay. I mean, it's a game. This is kind of interesting.

Shamoin Islands, you're right when you say "really didn't care, he was just going along with it." Honestly, I prefer going with the majority. If six of you were visibly and obviously planning a coup, I'd probably go along with it. But I have no desire to start one.

That is all the prosecution wishes to say for our opening statement.

Thank you Azulfure.

Will the defence make their opening statement? Then the prosecution may call their first witness or provide questionable evidence.

(I guess you can call me as a witness)

(Well then, I guess everyone would be a witness then)

Upsilon Zeta has been in and out of our region since around it's founding. However not totally loyal, this shows some loyalty. To say a new nation is related to Corrosia is completely ridiculous. If not just a new nation, but a WA Member nation.

Treason, or was it. To me, it looks like deception by the higher powers. How is deception to show loyalty to anything? How can anyone be loyal if everyone is deceiving everyone else.

So, by the evidence placed before you, it is clear that Upsilon Zeta is not guilty on all charges.

Will the prosecution present some evidence or call a witness to the stand?

ORDER! ORDER IN THIS COURT!

The prosecution would like to counter the defense's claim.

While we may not have definitive proof of the defendant's ties with Corrosia, I can definitly say that she was not loyal. Being "in and out of our region since around it's founding" does not suggest loyalty at all. If Zeta was completely dedicated to the region, she would have not left at all. Look, I even have some evidence that reveals her opinion on the region.

Upsilon Zeta 10/15/08
Hey. No one asked me to join, I just decided to because I like the way this looks and I was getting really sick of Immortal Interimo. So I'm here. I hope to stay here for a while...just don't be ignorant of me, like they were, and I'll stay.

This was posted in the region Zazarus. She came into that region on 10/15/08. What I wonder is... Why did she event mention Immortal Interimo to the region? As far as I know, Zazarus has no ties to Immortal Interimo at all. I think it raises some eyebrows that she even brought up anything from the region. Perhaps if she was to say, "my old region ignored me" it wouldn't show as much of a grudge, but specifically naming it?

The defendant came back from Zazarus on 10/22/08. Why did she come back to Immortal Interimo if she felt ignored? Why didn't she seek a new region? I think deception may be the answer.

Objection, your Honor. Specifically naming a region has nothing to do with grudges.

Objection, Your Honor! The defendant felt ignored, and as such, had a grudge with Immortal Interimo. Whether or not the defendant mentioned the name, the point is, the defendant disliked the region. I brought up mentioning the name because as human psychology goes, you do tend to remember the things you do not like, and its often that you want other to dislike the thing you loath as well. Hence, why I believe the defendant mentioned the name in Zazarus, a region completely unrelated to Immortal Interimo.

Objection overruled Azulfure. We are here to convict him for treason and spying, not convict him of having a grudge against us.

And you have a false statement, I telegrammed Zeta many times for him to come back, and he did. Please collect better presenting evidence next time.

Your Honor, I am trying to prove the defendant's motive for treason, which I do believe is relevant to the trial, is it not? After all, no motive, no crime, correct? Unless you're a complete psycho, of course.

And you are mixing up the defendant's gender again, Your Honor. The defendant is a female.

Again I must correct my colleague. You see, The Shamoin Islands, even though being the judge, just testified in favor of the defendant. The Shamoin Islands, did you not just say, "I telegrammed Zeta many times for him to come back"? As your testimony clearly says, you repeatedly asked the defendant to return, almost in a begging manner.

So I address you, Azulfure, you "evidence" as you call it is clearly false and erroneous. I advise you to further research into your prosecution case before you start making up your own evidence. This is in fact, a court of law, made to uphold the law. It is the duty of this court to find the truth, and that does not include such false accusations.

And of course, I advise you not to insult the judge, should he ask for the bailiff to take you out back and "talk" to you.

I did not insult the judge, Wrestling Tomato. I believe you misinterpreted what I said. I was referring to the fact that nobody would commit a crime without having a motive, not unless they were a psycho, or mentally ill. Of course I know better than to poke sticks with the judge in the Court of law.

I also apologize for my mistake. I was unable to question The Shamoin Islands enough before the trial. I believe we should rid the Court of any more confusion by hearing testimony from The Shamoin Islands, about his role in these events, and perhaps why exactly he chose Boogle Boogle Boogle and Upsilon Zeta for his "test." I also would like to know why you desired to have the defendant back after she left for the other region.

I have not objections there. I do not know if the defendant will be able to testify, but as soon as that is possible, I will proceed to questioning, permitting that The Shamoin Islands is done with his.

I am. And yes, I guess I testified. However, both of you need to stop mudslinging. I will either drop charges, or convict him if either one of you does it again. We here to provide evidence, not attack each other.

My Testimony

I suspected Boogle and Zeta of being spies because they were unactive and showed suspiscion in their messages. So, Boogle reported Kerkian Coast to me, but I WAS him. But then Zeta said he wanted to WITHOUT knowing if the majority of the people were taking part. When Zeta left, I begged him to come back. And it worked. The end.

Your Honor, it won't happen again. However, I would like to question you if that is so possible.

Your Honor, with your permission I would like to testify. I also ask you to clarify when you state I "showed suspicion in my messages".

I would also like to note that Shamoin Islands did not message me "many times". He messaged me once, the exact message being as follows:

The People's Republic of The Kerkian Coast
Received: 6 days ago (10/21/08) Your a traitor you left us everyone wants you to come back though.

I decided to return to Immortal Interimo because Zazaras was void of activity. Previous members of the region, namely a Strange Black Hole, have called it "another dying region." They have no relation whatsoever with Immortal Interimo, and the message Azulfure posted, while accurate, was the only correspondence I had with the region and none in the region seemed to notice this post at all.

Also, from this message I assumed that I was wrong that everyone was ignoring me previously and figured that, because no one was paying any attention to me at all in Zazaras, it could not be worse in Immortal Interimo.

I would also like to note that the exact text of The Kerkian Coast's message to me is as follows:

The People's Republic of The Kerkian Coast
Received: 4 days ago (10/23/08) Well, I'm planning a coup. You want in? PowderPuffGut is already in.

His message suggested that at least one other member of the region, in fact a member of the Lower Council, was in support of this coup. Being the newest member to the region, I felt it necessary to follow the example of the leader of the region (as I am aware that Shamoin Islands and Kerkian Coast are in fact the same person) and thus felt obliged to support his actions.

Azulfure is correct when he notes that I am not exceedingly loyal to Immortal Interimo. I am a new member, not only to the region, but to the game. While I am not certain of the exact date I joined NationStates, it was certainly less than a month ago. And while I have not been a member of Immortal Interimo long enough to feel strongly attached to it, I have never, not once, been affiliated in any way with Corrosia.

I will proceed to examine the witness's testimony.

So, It says PowderPuffGut was in on the coup, correct? Now, what would a Lower Council nations such as itself be doing in a coup, you may ask. However, this is clearly not the case. It seems, The Shamoin Islands, in all his paranoia, through his secret puppet of The Krekian Coast, misinformed the defendant. Such under-handed deeds and lies are not to discern loyalty, but rather trick a nation into getting itself banned.

So, Upsilon Zeta in an attempt to "go with the flow" decided to respond in a manner that would show support. Merely to please the higher-ups in a way that would be against Immortal Interimo. This was immediately clear to The Shamoin Islands as an act of treason, but can it be called that?

Of course not, that would be ridiculous! Upsilon Zeta was not committing treason, but rather succumbed to under-handed trickery.

Under suspicion, Zeta left as to not cause a problem. However, after the single plea of The Shamoin Islands, decided to come back to this mess. So, if it was a single plea, why does The Shamoin Islands continue to say, "I begged"? To look better? who actually knows, but either way, Upsilon Zeta was deceived by The Shamoin Islands.

This deception shall find Upsilon Zeta not guilty of all charges.

The prosecution acknowledges all evidence and testimony, however, I still have some questions for both witnesses.

This is directed towards the defendant. I am curious. Did you know before that Kerkain Coast was, in fact, The Shamoin Islands? After all, saying you "felt it necessary to follow the example of the leader of the region (as I am aware that Shamoin Islands and Kerkian Coast are in fact the same person)" suggests that you were aware of this. And if so, I have a few more questions. How did you know? Did he tell you previously? And if you knew it was The Shamoin Islands, why did you even agree to go along with it? Wouldn't you think it was a test, and obviously refuse? I say this because I don't think that a leader would really 'plan a coup' on their own region.

Also, I may add that just because the defendant believed others were part of this coup, that does not justify anything. Even if more than half of the region was involved, it would still be considered treason. Regardless of who the defendant thought was involved in this plan, the point still stands. Upsilon Zeta believed treason was afoot, and willfully supported it.

I also do not believe this was merely a trick on Shamoin Island's part in order to get Upsilon Zeta banned. Why? Because it wasn't only the defendant. It was Boogle Boogle Boogle as well. And Boogle Boogle Boogle responded in the way that The Shamoin Islands had desired. He was unsure of where their loyalties lied, and so tested them both, as he testified. It wasn't just a mindless way to get a member banned.

This is directed towards The Shamoin Islands. I still fail to understand why you desired to have the defendant back, after she left to Zazarus. Did you think the defendant could be useful somehow?

The People's Republic of The Kerkian Coast
Received: 4 days ago (10/23/08) Well, I'm planning a coup. You want in? PowderPuffGut is already in.

His message suggested that at least one other member of the region, in fact a member of the Lower Council, was in support of this coup. Being the newest member to the region, I felt it necessary to follow the example of the leader of the region (as I am aware that Shamoin Islands and Kerkian Coast are in fact the same person) and thus felt obliged to support his actions.
Thus, I respond on behalf of Upsilon Zeta.
PowderPuffGut is already in.
A leading nation as is pointed out by this:
His message suggested that at least one other member of the region, in fact a member of the Lower Council, was in support of this coup.
Thus, all of your questions are irrelevant to the subject at hand. I suggest closer attention is paid.

...I do not see how that answers any of my questions. Especially considering I asked how the defendant would have known who Kerkain Coast was beforehand. And as long as that is not explained, I do believe that all of the other questions are relevant. Perhaps you could be more specific on how those quotes answer my questions? Because I do not see how they do.

The defendant stated that she "felt it necessary to follow the example of the leader of the region." Which makes no sense at all, because I was under the impression that she did not know, which is why she responded the way she did. Otherwise, the defendant would have known is was a test, and would have either pointed out that she could tell, or refused.

Either way, I still fail to see how those quotes answer my questions. The fact that she thought PowderPuffGut was apparently was in on it is irrelevant. As I explained, whether or not she thought anyone else was involved, treason is still treason... So please be more specific on how those quotes would answer my questions, and make them 'irrelevant.' I still fail to understand that.

How many times must I explain this?

High Oligarchy:
The Shamoin Islands
Wrestling Tomato
Azulfure

Lower Council:
Prancist
PowderPuffGut
Boogle Boogle Boogle

^A leader as shown

Also, As I said it would be used in evidence:The People's Republic of The Kerkian Coast
For some reason I can't post with the Shamoin Islands. Hmmph. Revealing to us that The Kerkian Coast was a puppet of The Shamoin Islands. Until this was stated, it was not common knowledge that the were the same person. This evidence falls in favor of the defendant and answers your question.

And yes, treason may be treason, but only if it is planned, not a ploy.