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Basic Idea: NS earth (limited to MT or PMT nations) and Real world earth (right around 50 years from now. . .in hopes that that would even out the tech imbalance) somehow come into contact. Some Rp'ers would play their nations, others would play real earth nations. Of the NS Earth Players come could defend real world earth others could invade (or just mass invasion w/e).

Setting: NS earth somehow switches with mars. Due to its greater size NSearth moves closer to earth though only marginally (complicated physics inserted here).

Nations:
Any NSearth nation that wanted in
The USA: Following an election that went horribly wrong the states fell to shreds. A military leader and virtual unknown was elected due to a software issue in Absentee votes. He pushed the entire American military into Iraq after declaring War on Iran turning the middle east into a hell hole. Forced to disband national guard units to save money he could not prevent civil war from breaking out.
The Separated States
Northeast:
Consists of Connecticut, Delaware, Maine, Maryland, Massachusetts, New Hampshire, New Jersey, New York, Pennsylvania, Rhode Island, Vermont.
When the nation fell apart, the Northeast, held together, through the strong bonds, that dated back to the original colonies.

Midwest:
Consists of Illinois, Indiana, Idaho, Michigan, Minnesota, Ohio, Wisconsin. The Midwest states weren't part of the Old Northeast, or the Confederate South, and didn't want to be. They joined together, to avoided being absorbed by either the North, the South, or even Canada.

South:
Consists of Alabama, Arkansas, Florida, Georgia, Kentucky, Louisiana, Mississippi, Missouri, North Carolina, Oklahoma, South Carolina, Tennessee, Texas, Virginia, West Virginia. The South, seeing it's chance to restore the Confederacy, jumped at it, quickly solidifying their power.

West:
Consists of Alaska, Arizona, California, Colorado, Hawaii, Idaho, Kansas,
Montana, Nebraska, Nevada, New Mexico, North Dakota, Oregon, South Dakota, Utah, Washington, Wyoming. Defended by the sole remaining national guard unit, the fate of these states is entirely up for grabs.

Canada: First to see the States Falling to pieces due to their proximity. Canada armed and armored up. It now has a small Army but extremely well armed and trained the same is true of its airforce and Navy. The entirety of its forces are now based within Canada following its extraction from Afganistan following Upped American Agression.

Great Britain: Went into economic collapse Following the end of the US of A just like everyone else. Following that managed to resist EU pressures by rebuilding their navy into the best in the world.

European Union: Got extremely sick of American Militarism etc. Pulled out of the united nations, Formed a single entity. Now has the most average army out there. Average navy, average airforce, average numbers, average equipment, average training.

The South African Federation: An extremely rich ex-millitary colonel decided that she had had enough of the African situation after loosing her husband and daughter in a hostage situation traveling their to provide aide. She essentially bought out Mugabe in Zimbabwe and renamed it Rhodesia. Then Heavily Armed and trained her forces using contacts from the military and ridiculous sums of money and proceeded to literally take over all of southern Africa via alliances, threats and outright military conquest in some cases. Brought under American Army Style rule south-africa now forms essentially the largest benevolent dictatorship ever. Its army, navy and airforce are in the process of upgrading but its fairly unsteady for now.

Northern Africa: Essentially doomed by the sudden conglomeration of nations to its south and the end of Aide from the US of A it has become a hodgepog of failing nations in need of a single leader. its potential is huge but at the moment its terrible.

The New Russian Land: With the collapse of America there was nothing to put a stop to Russian Imperialism . . .except china . . .and the EU. Russia manged to expand to its cold war strength then halted with tensions rising between it and china. Russia maintains a large and moderately armed army, if poorly trained.

China: With Russia's Attention focused on Eastern Europe china Made a move to grab Taiwan, Japan and korea. It failed in two of the three. Taiwan and Japan bonded over their attempt to defend Themselves. This ended in the formation of the Pacific Alliance. China suffered badly due to the fact that it had essentially no fleet and was taking on two island nations. In other theaters, though, it fared better. It gained possession of Laos, Cambodia, Vietnam and Korea. Unfortunately tensions are high between it and Russia. China maintains a poorly armed and trained army but its HUGE. Ditto Airforce but its navy is mostly at the bottom of the sea.

The Asian confederacy: Formed to defend itself against Chinese Aggression it consists of India, Thailand, Myenmar and Nepal. The indian army has been upgraded though it is spread thinner. Nepalese troops (read Ghurkas) are excellently trained and armed and are acting as special forces. Thai Troops provided weapons upgrade to the Indians but remain about Average in terms of weapons and training. Myenmars Forces Are in the process of upgrading arms and training. The navy is average as is the airforce.

The Pacific Alliance: Again Formed to counter Chinese Aggression, The pacific Alliance now includes essentially every small island in the pacific as well as Australia, Japan, the Philippines, Indonesia, new Zeland and Malasia. Its Navy outranks that of the USA's and falls second only to Great Britain's. Even so its larger just less well equipped. its army and air force are small but well trained and equipped.

American Middle East: Essentially all the American Allies now housing the entirety of the American Regular Forces as well as the President. This "nation" consists of Oman, Yemen, the Uae, Saudi Arabia, Quatar, Iraq, Kuwait, Turkey, Armenia, Azerbaijan and Georgia. It has a Great Air Force, Small but the best trained and equipped Army in the world. Navy Is Small but again well armed and trained. The national armies of the Nations that now make up the AME have essentially been relegated to reserve forces.

the Caliphate: Started by Iran following America's invasion it consists of Iran, Afghanistan and Pakistan. It has potentially the most highly motivated force in the world. Its also remarkably well trained and equipped, mostly by Russia exploiting American Weakness. Hostilities between it and the AME have been muted following Russian expansion, American troop withdrawals from Iran and the Formation of the Asian Confederation next door.

New Zion: Following the Collapse of order in the middle east Israel had two choices, expand or die. It went for expand and in the most brutal campaign in recorded history, Subdued or outright killed all opposition to the new state. Syria Jordan and Lebanon now make up this nation along with Israel. Facing hostility elsewhere in the world (ranging from mild hatred in Europe to outright genocide in the southern States) Many of the Jewish peoples moved to Israel. It has an army and air force to rival that of the AME thought they are less well equipped both are highly motivated and due to a mass exodus of the followers of Islam and the Inflow of the Jews they are much more stable than many of the other regions.

Mexico
Mexico has expanded downwards to Panama. Its army is poor but large. no navy to speak of. Air force is tiny, ill trained and ill equipped.

Cuba
Re-energized by a new Russia it has expanded to encompass all the nations in the gulf of Mexico as well as the island nations in and around itself. its Navy is its strongest force and is large enough to defeat that of mexicos but still small and only moderately equipped and trained

Brazil
Brazil moved in and conquered Guyana, Suriname,Cayenne, Colombia and Venezuela. Its Army is about the same size as Mexicos and its navy is developping but it has no air force to speak of.

United South American States
The remaining South American nations bonded together to oppose the two threatening forces. Their army is smaller but better trained and equipped. Their air force is better but still small. No Navy to speak off.

Complications: Any invasion would have to cross space with only Mt or PMT tech. This would have to be considered but basically would be in place only to prevent a massive in rushing of NSE players to take over real world earth. Real world Earth and NS earth would be far enough apart to prevent Nukes being used effectively.


this was just an idea that I had while bored and looking for something to do. I would like anyone interested to offer suggestions. Also I'm not really good enough to run this myself so if anyone wants to actually put this into motion feel free. Any, all or none of the real Earth "nations" could be controlled as NPCs if some players were active enough for that. otherwise suggestions anyone?


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Real World
Mid-West Separated States: The Beatus
Western Separated States: New Kereptica
Northern Africa: Dagobah V
Canada:Uiri
NSearth
Chazaka:chazaka
Oblivion:Oblivion2

This is mostly discussion and sign up. A new thread will be created if/when this actually ends up happening

I'd be willing to get involved with this if it begins after my current RP transitions into a divorce RP for my current acting president.

I'd be willing to get involved with this if it begins after my current RP transitions into a divorce RP for my current acting president.

lol cool. Again this was off the top of my head and may be completely undoable so . . .

I think there are better ways you could break up the US, than just North and South, things have changed since the Civil War, and if the states fell apart, they would really fall apart. I think that the Midwest would not stick with the Eastern states, and that the West Coast would go it's own way too. Just my point of view, though it may be a little clouded by the fact that I would enjoy playing as the Midwest States divided from the rest of the US, :D.

I think there are better ways you could break up the US, than just North and South, things have changed since the Civil War, and if the states fell apart, they would really fall apart. I think that the Midwest would not stick with the Eastern states, and that the West Coast would go it's own way too. Just my point of view, though it may be a little clouded by the fact that I would enjoy playing as the Midwest States divided from the rest of the US, :D.
This is the kind of advie I was looking for :D I know . . .not enough . . .about the states to write this properly. If you would be willing to write up short blurbs for the combined states you'd like to see I can defiantly add them to the OP

Tag for interest

Okay, I'll write up basic histories, for the areas. I'll have it in a bit, so is this going to be 50 years from now, can we just call it 2050?

Okay, I'll write up basic histories, for the areas. I'll have it in a bit, so is this going to be 50 years from now, can we just call it 2050?

call it 2050. Works for me and AWESOME

Hows this for a basic breakdown? Also, if we do this, I would like to be the Midwest ;)

Northeast:
Consists of Connecticut, Delaware, Maine, Maryland, Massachusetts, New Hampshire, New Jersey, New York, Pennsylvania, Rhode Island, Vermont.
When the nation fell apart, the Northeast, held together, through the strong bonds, that dated back to the original colonies.

Midwest:
Consists of Illinois, Indiana, Idaho, Michigan, Minnesota, Ohio, Wisconsin. The Midwest states weren't part of the Old Northeast, or the Confederate South, and didn't want to be. They joined together, to avoided being absorbed by either the North, the South, or even Canada.

South:
Consists of Alabama, Arkansas, Florida, Georgia, Kentucky, Louisiana, Mississippi, Missouri, North Carolina, Oklahoma, South Carolina, Tennessee, Texas, Virginia, West Virginia. The South, seeing it's chance to restore the Confederacy, jumped at it, quickly solidifying their power.

West:
Consists of Alaska, Arizona, California, Colorado, Hawaii, Idaho, Kansas,
Montana, Nebraska, Nevada, New Mexico, North Dakota, Oregon, South Dakota, Utah, Washington, Wyoming. I really don't know what to put for the west, I just know they don't belong with the rest, and therefore need to be separate, sorry.

I like the breakdown. I think the western states probably feel certain cultural differences from the rest of the country. They might become exaggerated in a disunited States of America.

I want to be Northern Africa

Il take the West, except only with California, Washington, Oregon, Nevada, and Hawaii, if that's possible.

Setting: NS earth somehow switches with mars. Due to its greater size NSearth moves closer to earth though only marginally (complicated physics inserted here).


Let's do some more maths.

A planet the size of earth has a surface area (land and water) of about 4 x 6378 ^ 2 = 163 millon square kilometers.
NS has around 70000 nations with, say, an average of 10 billion people = 700 trillion people.
This means that every individual may occupy no more than 0.23 square metres or about 2.5 square feet.

It doesn't seem quite reasonable to assume that the NS earth could be even remotely close in size to the real earth, now does it? :D

Let's do some more maths.

A planet the size of earth has a surface area (land and water) of about 4 x 6378 ^ 2 = 163 millon square kilometers.
NS has around 70000 nations with, say, an average of 10 billion people = 700 trillion people.
This means that every individual may occupy no more than 0.23 square metres or about 2.5 square feet.

It doesn't seem quite reasonable to assume that the NS earth could be even remotely close in size to the real earth, now does it? :D
oh hell no. NS earth is huge though to be fair I doubt the entire population of II players of NS earth will join this RP lol.

Also I'll start on signup. If you want anything changed about a real world nation just bring it up and I'll see what I can do.

taged for later interest, i'll probably rp as my nation(chazaka), and why doesn't South America have a navy? Brazil has a fairly large navy by its self and with the others...

taged for later interest, i'll probably rp as my nation(chazaka), and why doesn't South America have a navy? Brazil has a fairly large navy by its self and with the others...

like I said. . .I'm not really qualified to write most of these lol. changes can and will be made

To make this more fair, and easier, why don't we say, that instead of NS earth, switching with Mars, that due to an experiment involving space and time in the NS world, parts of the NS world, switched places with parts of the RL world, which are in different parallel universes. That way, we don't need to worry about the sizes, and the whole traveling from earth to mars. We also don't need to worry about all NS nations, we can say that it was only NS nations that want to be involved, and we don't need to fill all Earth players, because NS nations will fill those spots. Also, to make it fair, population wise and all, it can be only parts of NS nations, not the whole ten billion people. Just an Idea though, and if we are claiming, Midwest States for me.

I want Canada! Has its territory expanded at all? Or did we go f**k you world, we aren't going to be bullied anymore.

I want Canada! Has its territory expanded at all? Or did we go f**k you world, we aren't going to be bullied anymore.

lol essentially just that. That being said The States is in a mess and Russia hasn't improved that much . . .soooo lol.

To make this more fair, and easier, why don't we say, that instead of NS earth, switching with Mars, that due to an experiment involving space and time in the NS world, parts of the NS world, switched places with parts of the RL world, which are in different parallel universes. That way, we don't need to worry about the sizes, and the whole traveling from earth to mars. We also don't need to worry about all NS nations, we can say that it was only NS nations that want to be involved, and we don't need to fill all Earth players, because NS nations will fill those spots. Also, to make it fair, population wise and all, it can be only parts of NS nations, not the whole ten billion people. Just an Idea though, and if we are claiming, Midwest States for me.

Ya that would make sense . . .itll kind of depend on how many people join and how many of those want to RP NS earth Nations. in that If we've got only a few NS earth nations it might work the way it is now . .. otherwise itll require some rethinking . . .anyway i can change it once we get there.

*bump*

I'll RP oblivion for NS

I'll RP oblivion for NS

sounds good

Oooo, very nice.

If you wished i could role-play the scientist in charge of a research team/project which caused the partial merging of the worlds ect and so on. If you'd like it that is, i could draw up an idea and discuss it with you in private.

If you like the possibility then please say so, i can work on the intro thing with you if you give me the thumbs up.

Oooo, very nice.

If you wished i could role-play the scientist in charge of a research team/project which caused the partial merging of the worlds ect and so on. If you'd like it that is, i could draw up an idea and discuss it with you in private.

If you like the possibility then please say so, i can work on the intro thing with you if you give me the thumbs up.

*Thumbs Up!*
works for me. If you want to stick with the RP afterwords you could stay on as the scientist or, conversely, play as one of the nations involved.

Oh joy, excellent stuff, not sure if i'll continue with the scientist or a nation... hmm... i will draw up a VERY rough draft, basically bullet points, and PM you, that way we can get started planning it.

Oh joy, excellent stuff, not sure if i'll continue with the scientist or a nation... hmm... i will draw up a VERY rough draft, basically bullet points, and PM you, that way we can get started planning it.

works for me :D

I sent you a telegram on nation states to your nation since i'm to thick to find the private message function on here lol

To the right of the search function there is the 'Quick Links' function. The first thing in Miscallaneous, right above the Subscribed Threads link is the Private Message link.

To the right of the search function there is the 'Quick Links' function. The first thing in Miscallaneous, right above the Subscribed Threads link is the Private Message link.

meh no worries

ic up http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=570496 if anyone is interested