NationStates Jolt Archive

In the draftroom, there was a shuffle of voices and footsteps all over the room. Preparing papers, stacking bills, fingers typing on the keyboards, the list of actions are endless, but what is similar too all those in the room is the intentions of retrieving the Makoki Isles under Leocardian possession. Morales had not entered the building yet, but already a stack of supporters and media observers had begun to pile outside the building, of course with police and special protection services deployed, armored tanks blocked streets to allow the entry of the president.

Big television screens were being established and installed in the streets behind the armored trucks and tanks blocking the road from the supporters featuring the live broadcast of the initial meeting and decisions. Prepared celebrations were initialized if Leocardia had succeeded in attaining the Isles back, and dozens of extra police squads were ready to control chaos and keep law and order on the streets.

Upon Morales's arrival, ten police interceptors escorted his limo into the building. Loud cheer was made as the cars passed by and the police and special services gave the Leocardian salute. Morales was late, but not too late, he went inside the building and to his seat.

Welcome, my friends, to the first Leocardian talks for the return of our possessions from foreigners. I am pleased to announce that this is our first time in proposing talks for a less deadly, more civilized era in which we can stop killing each other and actually get appropriate at a mature level.
He waited for the participants to cheer him on, which they did.
Leocardia has been through several past invasions and invading other countries, as well as defending our coastal lines from foreign invasions. We succeeded defending our great nation, but our military had still need improvements during the past. I am proud to say we are still remaining strong.
More cheers came at his way.
My fellow citizens, Leocardians are the best ethnicity in the world, and we have prospered since the Great Depression to the New Era of Leocardia. We had never been so happier in our lifetime as nationhood, and now I am pleased to present to you the new world of Leocardia. Under my leadership, you will experience more benefits as you haven't received from Jason Batista. Thank you for your support and may this forum begin.

He flickered on the big, main screen in the draftroom, ready to see faces from the Hegemonic leaders from via satellite.

The King of Zoingo, King Ragnald IV, was going to be in the conference room with his video uplink, along with several attendants, geographers, stratigests, and diplomats. He pressed the 'connect' button and was soon staring at the President of Leocardia.

"Afternoon President Morales," the king greeted and tiped his hat. "lets conduct ourselves in the best of manner today as we return administering of the Islands back to you today."

Mary Basset sat at the desk in the Hegemon's office, looking at the computer screen before her. Around her, out of view of any watching on a video cscreen, were several members of the Sumguaian cabinet, all silent as the conneciton was established.

"Good day to you, Mr. Morales." She said when the connection ahd been set up and the Leocardian leader's face appeared on her screen. "I do sincerely hope that we may come to a satisfactory agreement."

"Ah! Good day to you as well Mrs. Basset...lets make this quick and agreeable to both sides." The king said as Mary's picture poped up onto the screen.

The screen flickered on, and the seal (http://i194.photobucket.com/albums/z216/Cazelia/seal2-2.gif) of the DRC popped up on the screen, with rock music playing quietly in the background. After a few moments it faded, and President Hasley appeared on the screen in a black suit and a red tie. He quickly straightened it.

"Well, here I am. Now can we get to the discussion? I have a meeting with the joint cheifs in two hours about the war" Said Ingram.

President Martin Watson looked from his desk. He had an aide bring in a screen. Once the connection was complete, the President of Greal was facing the Leocardian president. So this is the president...

"Afternoon, Mr. Morales." said Martin grimly. Like all Greali, he was beginning to despise the Leocardians.

President Nicolas Villa sat at the desk in the presidential office with the camera on him. He was watching the hegemony leaders introduce themselves and looked at the Leocardian president. In another time line is is possible that the Worker's Republic and the People's Republic might have been friends, but sadly they had met on the opposite sides of a war.

Hopefully that could be changed.

"President Nicolas Villa here"

Morales waited for a couple minutes later, looking down at his speech papers, awaiting for the rest of the Hegemony leaders. After no show, he looked up, and a fiery flame could be seen within his eyes. His face was structured into a battle-hardened warrior's face, and his lightly toned skin showed a resemblance of fierceness in his personality.

The live talk is up. I will allow any more Hegemony leaders to participate, however, they must respectfully introduce themselves and allow our agreement proposals to follow through and hold back on comments.

He took a gulp from his iced cold water. And fingered to the public installers to begin recording the meeting and show it to the public.

Leaders of the Hegemony, I, Justin Morales, President of Leocardia, is here for one reason: to attain the Makoki Isles under Leocardia's possession from your custody. There had been heated debates and ongoing domestic battles to whether we should retrieve the lost islands, and today, we are talking, rather than killing our own men for each other's unsettled problems.

Leocardia wishes to retrieve the Makoki Isles and we are willing to negotiate. Please list your terms and we will determine how we will compromise to it.

General Dubrilobov brushed the last lint from his coat, making sure his medals and awards were properly set and polished before he stood in front of the video pick up.

From the other side, there was a flicker on the screen, replaced by a seal of the Commonwealth Ground Defense Force before being replaced by the General's youthful face.

"As Commander-in-Chief of Commonwealth forces stationed in Greal, I have been appointed to speak on behalf of my country," he addressed.

Morales waited for a couple minutes later, looking down at his speech papers, awaiting for the rest of the Hegemony leaders. After no show, he looked up, and a fiery flame could be seen within his eyes. His face was structured into a battle-hardened warrior's face, and his lightly toned skin showed a resemblance of fierceness in his personality.

The live talk is up. I will allow any more Hegemony leaders to participate, however, they must respectfully introduce themselves and allow our agreement proposals to follow through and hold back on comments.

He took a gulp from his iced cold water. And fingered to the public installers to begin recording the meeting and show it to the public.

Leaders of the Hegemony, I, Justin Morales, President of Leocardia, is here for one reason: to attain the Makoki Isles under Leocardia's possession from your custody. There had been heated debates and ongoing domestic battles to whether we should retrieve the lost islands, and today, we are talking, rather than killing our own men for each other's unsettled problems.

Leocardia wishes to retrieve the Makoki Isles and we are willing to negotiate. Please list your terms and we will determine how we will compromise to it.

Mary chuckled. "I am afraid, Mr. Morales, that the Hegemony has yet to enforce it's claim upon these isles. We have no prescence in the area, and at the moment the islanders are governing themselves without our interference."

"What I suggest, Mr. Morales," She continued, "Is that this practice be allowed to continue, that the islands become Leocardian territory once agaiin, yet retain their current practices of self governance on all but the international level, and be permitted to determine economic policy, as well as to determine their local governing system independant of the national government."

"Wait, so let me get this straight.......the whole time, ever since that war.....Leocardia thought the isles were under the administration of the Hegemony. And the Hegemony thought the isles were in the hands of Leocardia. But the whole time the islands have been ruling themselves on their own?

Nicolas chuckled to himself lightly once he heard the islands had been ruling themselves with no one knowing it. While it was technically Hegemony territory they had ruled themselves. It was always nice to see when the underdog pulled one over and became peacefully independent.

"Perhaps we should have some oversight, to make sure the islands can have the independence that Mary suggested. Just a few advisers and diplomatic personnel on the islands to ensure nothing bad happens."

"Wait, so let me get this straight.......the whole time, ever since that war.....Leocardia thought the isles were under the administration of the Hegemony. And the Hegemony thought the isles were in the hands of Leocardia. But the whole time the islands have been ruling themselves on their own?

"Oh, we knew that they were Hegemonic territory, but the Hegemon felt that self governance and a lack of interference by the Hegemony would be best for the isles. We are not a colonialist alliance after all."

"That would make more sense, however I am not 'in tune' with the Hegemons' policies...So since we know that...should we continue and discuss these isles independence? And if so, then the size and scope of the isles territories, mining and fishing rights, ect. should then be discussed."

A shuffle was the scene of the draftroom, updating results of the compromise. Diplomats of Leocardia gathered and printed a series of scenarios for which Leocardia should stand on. Morales looked up at the camera.

Leocardia will allow the Isles to be self-governed, and all Grealites living in Leocardia will be sent to the Isles under this condition: 1) They will self-govern the Isles under Leocardia's possession and 2) Leocardia will have full authority to overpower any action that goes against the righteousness of the Government in the Isles.

"Why will Greal forigners living in Leocardia be sent to the Isles?"

Morales looked at the Zoingan representitive weirdly.

The fact that we can clearly settle Leocardian ethnic fights on Grealis, we can form a specialized zone for Grealis to stay and not have to face discrimination in the mainland. The Grealites are free to move in and out of the Isles.

ooc: The King of Zoingo Leocardia, the rep was unable to attend due to my post that had him, was eaten by Jolt.

IC: King Ragnald look back at his diplomats for a few seconds, murtured something, and then looked back at Morales and replied.

"Okay, I just had a few diplomats back here that were concerned over such a proposal to move Grealis to the Isles. But it your proposal Mr. Morales seems to have a legitimate reason to be put into action."

Martin was now concerned about the prospect of forcing Greali citizens to the isles. But there weren't many Greali living in Leocardia, due to a ban on travel plus the recent wars, the Greali had grown a hatred of Leocardians.

The General, while listening, had been taking notes, and decided to interject.

"In your two point proposal on self-governance," he began, "Does the second point refer to the actions of the Isles government or of a foreign power? Also, if there will be a problem between the Greali citizenry and Leocardian government, the Commonwealth could act as a neutral third party," the General offered.

The General, while listening, had been taking notes, and decided to interject.

"In your two point proposal on self-governance," he began, "Does the second point refer to the actions of the Isles government or of a foreign power? Also, if there will be a problem between the Greali citizenry and Leocardian government, the Commonwealth could act as a neutral third party," the General offered.

When the self-governance passes a lift of laws that goes against the Leocardian federal power, then the federal laws will still be enforced in the Isles.

When the self-governance passes a lift of laws that goes against the Leocardian federal power, then the federal laws will still be enforced in the Isles.

"This sounds a bit of a step back," the General's youthful voice said cooly, "Considering how long they've been allowed to govern themselves, isn't it a bit much to ask that a foreign entity be allowed to veto their laws?" General Dubrlilobov rested his head on his hands, "Certainly, autonomous zones should remain lawful to the laws of its host nation, but the host nation must also respect its natural sovereignty."

"This sounds a bit of a step back," the General's youthful voice said cooly, "Considering how long they've been allowed to govern themselves, isn't it a bit much to ask that a foreign entity be allowed to veto their laws?" General Dubrlilobov rested his head on his hands, "Certainly, autonomous zones should remain lawful to the laws of its host nation, but the host nation must also respect its natural sovereignty."

Morales gets frustrated.

Do you not realize that the Isles will be under Leocardian control?

He rounds up his security leaders and mentions a plan to attract the FUS attention: rounding up Greali citizens and executing them in public.

King Ragnald leaned back in his seat and then leaned back up...

"I think that what my friend General Dubrlilobov is trying to get to is the fact that these Isles have ruled themselves for quite a while...and now their laws are being called under question and could be vetoed by a nation that ruled them a while ago."

Morales gets frustrated.

Do you not realize that the Isles will be under Leocardian control?

He rounds up his security leaders and mentions a plan to attract the FUS attention: rounding up Greali citizens and executing them in public.

King Ragnald leaned back in his seat and then leaned back up...

"I think that what my friend General Dubrlilobov is trying to get to is the fact that these Isles have ruled themselves for quite a while...and now their laws are being called under question and could be vetoed by a nation that ruled them a while ago."

"Yes, that is my meaning," the General said as his aide d' campe walked over and whispered something in his ear. "And I hope the Comrade-Morales doesn't believe that a crime against humanity will make us see things his way," Dubrilobov added.

Morales gets frustrated.

Do you not realize that the Isles will be under Leocardian control?

He rounds up his security leaders and mentions a plan to attract the FUS attention: rounding up Greali citizens and executing them in public.

Mary smiled. "Do you not realize that we are giving the isles to you? Need I remind you, Mr. Morales, how succesful Leocardia has been in it's past attempts to take from the Hegemony that which we were not willing to give. If I were you, I would be happy that the Hegemony is willing to give the isles back at all. The law of the Makoki government will not be superceded by Leocardian federal law, but shall be supreme within the isles. The Makoki isles will also determine their own levels of economic regulation and trade policies."

She sighed, rubbing her eyes for a moment. "You must understand, Mr. Morales, that I feel the ideal would be for these isles to become an independant nation. It is only through my respect for the fact that they were once a part of Leocardia that this conference is even happening."

OOC: will Grealian civilians be executed as they are speaking?

ooc: no, just a possible way to gain FUS's attention...

Mary smiled. "Do you not realize that we are giving the isles to you? Need I remind you, Mr. Morales, how succesful Leocardia has been in it's past attempts to take from the Hegemony that which we were not willing to give. If I were you, I would be happy that the Hegemony is willing to give the isles back at all. The law of the Makoki government will not be superceded by Leocardian federal law, but shall be supreme within the isles. The Makoki isles will also determine their own levels of economic regulation and trade policies."

She sighed, rubbing her eyes for a moment. "You must understand, Mr. Morales, that I feel the ideal would be for these isles to become an independant nation. It is only through my respect for the fact that they were once a part of Leocardia that this conference is even happening."

OOC: will Grealian civilians be executed as they are speaking?

OOC: Just brainwashed Grealian civilians by Leocardian special forces speaking for a pro-Leocardia control.

IC:

You also need to realize we want this Isles back, and you guys are not allowing us to do so unless we give up political power. When possessing a property, wouldn't you want partial power over the possession as well? I'm already being generous that Leocardia should allow Grealians to move and live there from discrimination by the Leocardian people, do you want me to deport them?

OOC: If there are any Greali citizens at all in Leocardia.

IC:

"Well, we support a proposal that allows Isles to choose their own way. Do they want Leocardians as their masters? Or do they want to be an independent nation. Really, we should be asking the people."

OOC: Just brainwashed Grealian civilians by Leocardian special forces speaking for a pro-Leocardia control.

IC:

You also need to realize we want this Isles back, and you guys are not allowing us to do so unless we give up political power. When possessing a property, wouldn't you want partial power over the possession as well? I'm already being generous that Leocardia should allow Grealians to move and live there from discrimination by the Leocardian people, do you want me to deport them?

OOC: If there are any Greali citizens at all in Leocardia.

IC:

"Well, we support a proposal that allows Isles to choose their own way. Do they want Leocardians as their masters? Or do they want to be an independent nation. Really, we should be asking the people."

"My Greali comrade is correct, Mr. President," General Dubrilobov said with false reverence. "It is ultimately the People who decide the government they want. Even the Commonwealth Protectorate has little oversight by us, with the country run by its legislature and governor. As for you're generosity towards Greali's; don't think I'll give you a pat on the back for acting with a bit of Goddamn human decency."

"Comrade General," his aide-d' campe whispered cautiously. "Perhaps..."

"I would advise General Dubrilobov to take it more slowly, we are giving the islands back to Leocardia, so lets address each issue one at a time."

OOC: If there are any Greali citizens at all in Leocardia.

IC:

"Well, we support a proposal that allows Isles to choose their own way. Do they want Leocardians as their masters? Or do they want to be an independent nation. Really, we should be asking the people."

Fortunately in history, Leocardia had treated the Isles fairly, it was until then the Hegemony took our privilege of having them, now you are asking to give them away. Do you not know the existence of what we're doing? I am negotiating for the Isles back under Leocardian control, and you're here telling us that we should let them go independent?

"The Hegemony did no such thing, as they exercised no control over the Isles since Leocardian withdrawal. Hence, the indigenous population has summoned forth their own sovereign rights of self-government, and any actions contrary to such progress may be reacted upon hostiley by the Isles population," the General said, cooling down a bit after the King's comment. "Surely, this accord must benefit the people as much as it benefits Leocardia..."

"The Hegemony did no such thing, as they exercised no control over the Isles since Leocardian withdrawal. Hence, the indigenous population has summoned forth their own sovereign rights of self-government, and any actions contrary to such progress may be reacted upon hostiley by the Isles population," the General said, cooling down a bit after the King's comment. "Surely, this accord must benefit the people as much as it benefits Leocardia..."

Please don't fool me with your propaganda. We have taken satellite imaging and have intelligence proof that Hegemonic forces have stationed in there. And what about you, FUS, did you not have armed soldiers stationed in the Isles? For what purpose, and is that what you call "self-governance"?

OOC: Note to the thread of the invasion, LS, you said Hegemonic forces will station in the Isles.

Please don't fool me with your propaganda. We have taken satellite imaging and have intelligence proof that Hegemonic forces have stationed in there. And what about you, FUS, did you not have armed soldiers stationed in the Isles? For what purpose, and is that what you call "self-governance"?

OOC: Note to the thread of the invasion, LS, you said Hegemonic forces will station in the Isles.

ooc: who's LS, by the way?

ic:

"Those forces were stationed after you threatened invasion of Greali territory. Through your own misunderstanding, you caused us to react proactively against your forces. I am certainly willing to remove my guns...they can still reach pretty far from other shores." the General's smile simply vanished in a flash, "Our forces have in no way interfered with the self-governance of the Isles, and we have no intention of hampering their self-determination, although it is apparent you do..."

OOC: LS is Lord Sumguy
IC:

"Yes, we believe the people of the isles should decide what they want. Why are we deciding the fate of millions of people living at the isles? Let their people decide whether they want Leocardian rule again, or independence."

"I couldn't have said it better," General Dubrilobov said. "Note that our main concern is the security of Greal after this debacle has ended."

Please don't fool me with your propaganda. We have taken satellite imaging and have intelligence proof that Hegemonic forces have stationed in there. And what about you, FUS, did you not have armed soldiers stationed in the Isles? For what purpose, and is that what you call "self-governance"?

OOC: Note to the thread of the invasion, LS, you said Hegemonic forces will station in the Isles.

OOC: I did? Are you sure you arent mixing me up with Cazelia?

ooc: according to the thread, only Cazelia was given the territory, not the Hegemony.

"Unfortunately, my sources point that the Hegemony as a whole, does not have the administration of the Isles. When Cazelia attacked and Leocardia surrendured, they gave up the Isles to Cazelia, not the Hegemony. So the true question lies...will Cazelia give the Isles back to Leocardia?"

ooc: according to the thread, only Cazelia was given the territory, not the Hegemony.

"Unfortunately, my sources point that the Hegemony as a whole, does not have the administration of the Isles. When Cazelia attacked and Leocardia surrendured, they gave up the Isles to Cazelia, not the Hegemony. So the true question lies...will Cazelia give the Isles back to Leocardia?"

OOC: it was surrendered to Cazelia to be the territory of the Hegemony.

ooc: are you shure? Because when Cazelia declared war on Leocardia, most of you guys were against it. Then, Leocardia surrendured the Isles to Cazelia and Cazelia only, not the Hegemony.

ooc: are you shure? Because when Cazelia declared war on Leocardia, most of you guys were against it. Then, Leocardia surrendured the Isles to Cazelia and Cazelia only, not the Hegemony.

OOC: Cazelia stated that the territory would belong to the Hegemony in his surrender demands.

ooc: Okay, I need that clairification....

ooc: according to the thread, only Cazelia was given the territory, not the Hegemony.

"Unfortunately, my sources point that the Hegemony as a whole, does not have the administration of the Isles. When Cazelia attacked and Leocardia surrendured, they gave up the Isles to Cazelia, not the Hegemony. So the true question lies...will Cazelia give the Isles back to Leocardia?"

If it were to be Cazelia's territory, then who's right is it to station FUS forces into the Isles under the name of the Hegemony?

"The Commonwealth, in joint defense with the Hegemony, moved forces in, under the context that the regaining of the Isles would be the first step towards aggression towards Greal and therefore, towards us," the General answered. "Our stationing of troops was not to impose Commonwealth control over the islands, but to provide for the mutual defense of Greal."

"The Commonwealth, in joint defense with the Hegemony, moved forces in, under the context that the regaining of the Isles would be the first step towards aggression towards Greal and therefore, towards us," the General answered. "Our stationing of troops was not to impose Commonwealth control over the islands, but to provide for the mutual defense of Greal."

Why? Greal does not control the Isles. Your act of moving soldiers into the Isles is seen as a aggressive act already, as you still launder your excuses of trying to make the Isles a independent state.

"We merely stated that it should be the decision of the Isles whether or not they want to return to Leocardian rule, and if not, that their decision of independence should be given proper discussion. IN your own declaration you spoke of aggression towards Greal, and as mandated through our Defense Directorate, aggression towards Greal is to be construed as a hostile act towards the Commonwealth. We are completely willing to move our forces off the Isles, many of which have already been returned to Greal as part of our Expeditionary Force."

"We merely stated that it should be the decision of the Isles whether or not they want to return to Leocardian rule, and if not, that their decision of independence should be given proper discussion. IN your own declaration you spoke of aggression towards Greal, and as mandated through our Defense Directorate, aggression towards Greal is to be construed as a hostile act towards the Commonwealth. We are completely willing to move our forces off the Isles, many of which have already been returned to Greal as part of our Expeditionary Force."

Morales realized the true intelligence of the general was nothing but the size of a pea.

Do I need to repeat myself? Greal doesn't own the Isles, and aggression toward Greal has nothing to do with the Isles, so we see your deployment of forces in the Isles as nothing but an excuse.

ooc: clearly, your not getting it. i'll quietly ditch this rp...

Morales realized the true intelligence of the general was nothing but the size of a pea.

Do I need to repeat myself? Greal doesn't own the Isles, and aggression toward Greal has nothing to do with the Isles, so we see your deployment of forces in the Isles as nothing but an excuse.

"As of now, Mr. Morales, the isles are Hegemonic territory." Mary said, rubbing her eyes. "Greal is a Hegemony member." She smield. "In any case, you are straying from the topic. Does Leocardia have any objections to the Hegemonic Makoki Isles becoming an independant state? If so, please, give reasons why."

"As of now, Mr. Morales, the isles are Hegemonic territory." Mary said, rubbing her eyes. "Greal is a Hegemony member." She smield. "In any case, you are straying from the topic. Does Leocardia have any objections to the Hegemonic Makoki Isles becoming an independant state? If so, please, give reasons why."

We feel that the Makoki Isles should belong to Leocardia, because it was once Leocardian territory. In history, when Leocardia battled with the Hegemony, we had never mentioned Makoki Isles in any of our wars. It was until Cazelia started a nuclear war, while launching a full-scale invasion in the protectorate colony of Makoki, that we lost custody. Never in history had Leocardia mistreated the islanders in the Makoki and has not done anything wrong to make it so serious to lose custody of the Isles forever.

We request the Hegemony to not allow the Isles to become independent, because we have treated the Isles with respect, just like the other colonies of Leocardia, and we solely think that our share in the Makoki region should be returned to us rightfully.

As little as you were informed, we have financially supported the Makoki until the Cazelian invasion, and until now, we still want to protect the Makoki region from dangerous foreign influence, as the Makoki islander natives are historically known to be the ancient ancestors of the Leocardian race. We want to keep the colony to keep our ancestry alive.

We feel that the Makoki Isles should belong to Leocardia, because it was once Leocardian territory. In history, when Leocardia battled with the Hegemony, we had never mentioned Makoki Isles in any of our wars. It was until Cazelia started a nuclear war, while launching a full-scale invasion in the protectorate colony of Makoki, that we lost custody. Never in history had Leocardia mistreated the islanders in the Makoki and has not done anything wrong to make it so serious to lose custody of the Isles forever.

We request the Hegemony to not allow the Isles to become independent, because we have treated the Isles with respect, just like the other colonies of Leocardia, and we solely think that our share in the Makoki region should be returned to us rightfully.

As little as you were informed, we have financially supported the Makoki until the Cazelian invasion, and until now, we still want to protect the Makoki region from dangerous foreign influence, as the Makoki islander natives are historically known to be the ancient ancestors of the Leocardian race. We want to keep the colony to keep our ancestry alive.

ooc: not gonna respond to this icly, but i must say, this is info that you probably should have mentioned a lot sooner. it seems like your pres. suffers from dissociative identity disorder, btw...

ooc: not gonna respond to this icly, but i must say, this is info that you probably should have mentioned a lot sooner. it seems like your pres. suffers from dissociative identity disorder, btw...

ooc: I was planning on something like that for my president.