NationStates Jolt Archive

Government-Monarchy,Lord Loren Soth of Dargaard Keep
Population-1.7 million (humans food)

Society-The Forsaken society is much like a normal human society,perhaps because the Forsaken are simply undead humanoids there are farmers, laborers, soldiers, perhaps the only true difference between the two are the necromancers whos sole purpose is reanimating the deceased to serve the mighty Lich lord, that and the fact that the Forsaken can and often do feed on the flesh of the living

Currency-
Gold is the most commonly used coinage although silver and copper are also used.

Military
Zombies-Mindless flesh eating creatures, armed with a shield and spear
Footmen-Obediant foot soilders, armored with mail and trained to fight
Skull warriors-Elite heavy infantry, posses magical abilities, healing
Bowmen-skilled archers using longbows and shorbows
Berserkers-Large troll like creatures bent under the dark will of Overlords
Skirmishers-Crossbow and axe wielding infantry
Lancers-Light calary, armed with smaller crossbows, and swords, or lances
Skull Knights-Heavy Calvary, Or dismounted Infantry, posses ability to use magic, healing,
Knights of the Black Rose-Elite heavy calvary, serve under Lord Soth himself,ability to reanimate the dead,healing,other magical abilities.

OOC: Armed zombies? Given that they don't have sufficient mental power to understand that hitting something with a sword is more damaging than with a fist, I doubt that they'd be able to use the spears, or comprehend the point of blocking with the shield.

ooc: its a social class or rank if you will, think more along the lines of the old horror movies with the skeleton warriors..

Zombies-Mindless flesh eating creatures, armed with a shield and spear.

You can't arm a mindless animal. Bipedal or no, it won't be able to understand the concept of a weapon.

you're making this entirely too difficult for yourself...think outside the box, yes they're mindless meaning they do as their told, they don't question things, tell one to pick up rocks and that's all it will do for eternity. Why this is even a point of debate is beyond me....

Ah, so in the sense iof mindless obedience. I See What You Did There.

Forgive clutter.

Yes, now they aren't bright or anything but they have basic intelligence

First things first: I need a little back story. Where did these necromancers come from? Who are they? Are they a small oligarchy, or inter-warring factions, etc? What other powers besides raising the dead do you intend to us?

Second, zombies are not allowed weapons. Their zombies for a reason. I'll let you have skeleton warriors armed with weapons, because thats basically cannon for a dozen different fantasy sources. Its a point of debate because it is a point of debate. So no more armed zombies.

Since when did the dead eat? I can imagine your necromancers feeding off some small human populace that is treated like cattle, but I see no reason for the dead to have farmers or craftsmen. An undead army isn't going to be outfitted like the King's Guard, marching all pretty in line. This is pretty much as best equipped you're going to get one of your undead warriors, and this being a skeleton warrior.

Also, since you're undead and are ruled by necromancers, I'm going to make a rule specific to your kingdom. Since you're necromancers and can therefore raise the dead, I declare that you can never raise an army above 30,000 in number, and then only once at a time, with a cool-down time of at least one-in-game-year. This meaning that you can, at any time, have a total of 30,000, but never more, and if those 30,000 get destroyed, then you will have to wait before raising more troops from the dead.

With that rule in place, I'll give you your live-human population (food source) at 1.7 million.

Acceptable?

clearly you are not familiar with many stories, games, novels involving the undead. Undead are a whole lot more than a bunch of skeletons running around in viking helmets with shields...

Zombies, you and Aryan keep thinking of the stereotypical horror flick zombies that move around like near paraplegics and have no intelligent thoughts. Again this goes back to your obvious lack or very limited experience with many novels, and games, stories, etc etc.

Also limiting my army to 30,000 walking retards that would be simply cleaved in two by any organized force is ridiculous
Thus since I would have to rp as nothing more than a horde of retarded flesh eating skeletons I will not participate in this rp.

Only System Shock 2 Zombies have guns(shotguns) and weapons(if large pipes count) with them. Although they are actually human bodies controlled by a parasite annelid, and they infest a spaceship rather than a graveyard.

Also, can I assume zombies will be vulnerable to holy water and alike? Or will things change a bit from convention about how to defeat undead?

clearly you are not familiar with many stories, games, novels involving the undead. Undead are a whole lot more than a bunch of skeletons running around in viking helmets with shields...

Zombies, you and Aryan keep thinking of the stereotypical horror flick zombies that move around like near paraplegics and have no intelligent thoughts. Again this goes back to your obvious lack or very limited experience with many novels, and games, stories, etc etc.

Also limiting my army to 30,000 walking retards that would be simply cleaved in two by any organized force is ridiculous
Thus since I would have to rp as nothing more than a horde of retarded flesh eating skeletons I will not participate in this rp.

Yeah. You ONLY have a force of 30,000 endlessly obedient and willing to do anything shock troops. What a shame. :rolleyes:

Nevermind what sort of regular army you could amass through training or mercenaries.

Have anyone heard about the undead armies of Arcanum: of Steamworks and Magick Obscura's world? Or about the dread barbarians?

I wouldn' call them shock troops when they look like flava flav with a helemt and a shield, and are as dumb as a pile of cow dung....

Dragonlance the undead have knights etc etc, hell even LOTR the Urakhai are undead just reanimated elves changed with dark magic. I could list others where Zombies have weapons and basic intellect..

Also in DL the undead have craftsman and such...basically to build things for war..I suppose as long as my 30,000 army got to be more than retards with spears I would be interested again

LOTR the Urakhai are undead just reanimated elves...

lol. No.

Also in DL the undead have craftsman and such...basically to build things for war..I suppose as long as my 30,000 army got to be more than retards with spears I would be interested again

I have to say, Thrash, 30,000 isn't a big number when border defences and garrisons are taken into account.

Regarding 'retards with spears', I think this applies only to the zombies. Skeletons (http://www.petertcrowell.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2007/03/skeleton-warrior.jpg) are usually held to have retained memories of their former lives, and as such usually retain some battle skills. Their equipment can vary, but given that most skeletons are fallen warriors, they tend to have comparatively good kit (Chainmail, helms, swords, axes, shields, spears, poleaxes, ranged weapons, etc.) and take a lot of killing..

What you're looking at, here, are 30,000 troops of average equipment and skill, who feel no pain, are not subject to morale, and have the ability to replenish their numbers from the enemy dead. Then, of course, you have your special units mentioned at the top. Not to mention the fact that missile fire does nothing to your basic troop type.

Can I suggest 50,000 infantry and 10,000 cavalry as a better number?

if I got to keep my specialized units and could it be 35-45K? with the bulk being medium "OK" infantry?

Backstory:A Knight thrown into Exile because he was to have a bastard son with the King's daughter. The Knight (Lord Soth) flees execution but his mistress can not, torn by his emotions he returns takes her body and turns to dark magic in attempts to ressurect his lost lover. He fails however and the dark magic consumes him. He leads his army, which remained loyal to their general against the king in an attempt at vengence however he and all his men are killed or executed. His dark magic however revives him as an undead along with his army and he now spends eternity seeking vengence.

How's that?

Lastly I'd like to have land around the Deserts of Khem or Northern marshes...

Quintus, I think you misunderstood me when I said that zombies can't have weapons. You apparently equated that to meaning that your entire army had to be the aforementioned zombies that "look like flava flav with a helemt and a shield, and are as dumb as a pile of cow dung". So please drop the condescending connotations, remembering that I'm trying to deal fair with you. Got it? Good.

Now. Addressing the issue. The way New Aryan described the Skeleton warriors is how I was also describing them. Ergo, you will have a bulk of medium, descent troops. I'll raise the number to 40,000 troops total. Again, the rule being that your magic cannot supersede that number, though, like Aryan stated and I implied, you can replenish those numbers.

Now, I see your nation being a bit more separated from the others due to your nature and the fact that I'm sure most of the human empires would try stomping you out of existence in order to keep you from spreading. Which is why the relatively small number of troops was meant to be of an entirely offensive nature, with your kingdom's territory acting as an active physical barrier to any invasion (ie swampland, etc similar terrain).

Savvy?

That works, does my back story work for you?

Wasnt trying to be condesending was just saying...From what Im reading i suppose my group will have to be similar to this Deamon army and just launch repeated crusades against the kingdoms of men.

As for territory I requested a desert or swamp, both would not hamper my armies at all since I dont have to eat or drink, but anything else would suffer in the enviorment...

Back story works. I'll add you to an appropriate place with that type of terrain. Approved.