NationStates Jolt Archive

OOC: Alright then the general conference shall begin with a orderly debate and any private meetings between leaders shall have to wait till after the general debate.

IC: Within the Imperial Palace at Valdra, the Imperial Capital of the Scandinvan Empire, the grand conference room of the palace had been prepared in all of its grandeur for the meeting. The marble interior had been polished, the oil paintings dusted, the mosaics washed, the dogs watered, the cooks have been working for hours to prepare a feast, and everything else had been readied.

Thus now Emperor Ingolf III, who would be serving as both president of the Congress and representative sat down upon central throne of the throne and looked around at the various assembled persons. Then he stood up and said,” Welcome monarchs and assorted dignitaries I am pleased to announce the beginning of the first congress of the Grand Imperial Alliance.

Are there any motions to open the debate on a relevant topic?”

"Unfortunately, I must report that his majesty could not attend tonight on account of a illness. But in the meantime, I am Lord Dunmore, the Parliament Head." Dunmore told Ingolf.

"I presume we should start with elected seats and general organization of the alliance, would that be alright?" he suggested.

"Unfortunately, I must report that his majesty could not attend tonight on account of a illness. But in the meantime, I am Lord Dunmore, the Parliament Head." Dunmore told Ingolf.

"I presume we should start with elected seats and general organization of the alliance, would that be alright?" he suggested."Lord Dunmore, welcome, and your motion carries. We shall now begin inquest as to who should occupy the elected seats.

Secondly, the organization of the alliance is now up for debate."

"I would like to nominate ralkovia for war council higher seat," said Thomas Voles, leader of the ralkovian subsection commitee created for the GIA. He had looked towards everyone before saying something again,"We would also like to set up a way for amending the charter."

"In what way would the charter be amended?" Dunmore asked.

(Well is the charter going to be are constitution)

"I would like to nominate ralkovia for war council higher seat," said Thomas Voles, leader of the ralkovian subsection commitee created for the GIA. He had looked towards everyone before saying something again,"We would also like to set up a way for amending the charter.""Point taken. However might it be noted that your nation already has a Higher Seat on the War Council.

As well amending the Charter of the GIA is not currently germane."

(Well is the charter going to be are constitution)OOC: Yes, it lists the main princples of the alliance and acts as its guideline.

Empress Catalia herself had chosen to attend this one, feeling it best. Besides, with what she had brought with her... No one in her nation had the security clearance to talk about it anyway. Not until it was time.

"We are in agreement with the nomination of Ralkovia on the recommendation for war council," Catalia began. "And we would also, after the motion from Ralkovia is decided upon, motion that the current seat assignments be kept until the next election."

"So, should we then decided out of the general members who gets an elected seat?"

His Most Gracious Imperial Majesty Wyatt von Waldenburg IV, and there was some more, but he forgot them at the moment rested his head between two thin hands and stared doe eyed at a convenient space, which happened to contain the Ralkovian delegation. It had been a twelve hour plane flight, in which he had not a moment to himself, and not had a break from urgent messages pouring in from field officers across the world.

When the meeting kicked off he had very little to add other than a 'aye' or "hear hear' mumbled under his breath. Mostly, and in agreement with Imperial policy, the discussion could be carried by others and should a majority be attained then so be it.

The trip had been planned as a vacation of sorts for the Emperor, who at seventy-nine, slept little and worried through most nights.

"If it pleases you Emperor Ingolf We would also like a forced receivement clause to be added or at least acknowledged"


Forced Receivement- When a king or queen or government head has lost power and is in danger of being killed. An ally is forced to take the person in

"I think you misspelled government.....but it makes a fine point, maybe forced is too strong of a word."

"Also, I would like to chip in The Commonwealth for a permanate seat on the Governing Council."

Empress Catalia herself had chosen to attend this one, feeling it best. Besides, with what she had brought with her... No one in her nation had the security clearance to talk about it anyway. Not until it was time.

"We are in agreement with the nomination of Ralkovia on the recommendation for war council," Catalia began. "And we would also, after the motion from Ralkovia is decided upon, motion that the current seat assignments be kept until the next election.""Motion carries and Ralkovia shall maintain its Higher Seat then."

"So, should we then decided out of the general members who gets an elected seat?""Elections shall be carried out once the general details of the alliance are finally hammered out."

"If it pleases you Emperor Ingolf We would also like a forced receivement clause to be added or at least acknowledged"


Forced Receivement- When a king or queen or government head has lost power and is in danger of being killed. An ally is forced to take the person in"Point sustained. The amendment shall be voted on during the general elections."

Marco de Rossi had attended himself because, realistically speaking, nothing the Regnant did in his official capacity required him to actually be present in the nation. Sure, he might meet with other nobles, or representatives of businesses or common unions, but those weren't things he, personally, had to handle. He just liked it. Being that the GIA revolved around monarchs (though, the Noble Congress had had some misgivings at calling the Regnant a "monarch" considering the long-standing antipathy toward the empire and the Reign of Thieves in Santherese history) and he was technically the "king," he decided his presence was more important here than anywhere else -- at the very least, since it was the first congress, and therefore technically historic.

"Well, my nation will certainly never get rid of me, but Santheres would be more than willing to host endangered leaders of alliance members. Now, excuse the question, but are higher seats threatened that Ralkovia had to be moved to maintain it?"

Catalia smiled, then said, "We would also like to move that all meetings of this alliance be held under the highest of classifications, for security reasons."

She had another motive for that, but it could wait.

"Thats proposterous.....higher seats threatned....what justification is there in that?" Dunmore scoffed.

"As for the classifications of the meetings, I am for."

(Good night guys I have to go to sleep....)

Catalia smiled, then said, "We would also like to move that all meetings of this alliance be held under the highest of classifications, for security reasons."

She had another motive for that, but it could wait.

"It would be difficult to pass information back to senior members of my government and not have it then spread through half of noble society and God knows how many common retainers. Depending the reason you ask for this now and as a general statement, instead of perhaps striking something from the record at a later time when it is relevant, we may indeed have to create a whole new security clearance level. Perhaps we should play security classifications by ear. Not all governments are as capable as yours in maintaining mass secrets."

"It would be difficult to pass information back to senior members of my government and not have it then spread through half of noble society and God knows how many common retainers. Depending the reason you ask for this now and as a general statement, instead of perhaps striking something from the record at a later time when it is relevant, we may indeed have to create a whole new security clearance level. Perhaps we should play security classifications by ear. Not all governments are as capable as yours in maintaining mass secrets."

"Our ability to keep one secret is unfortunately compromised. Frankly, I'm surprised we've kept it this long, with as much as our citizens have figured out," Catalia answered. "But, we do have one issue, for which the stance of this alliance towards the World Assembly would need to be known before I bring up that other issue."

"The stance of this alliance on WA is currently unknown. However, we shall in all fairness choose to maintain a neutral stance towards the WA."

The ralkovian representative sat quietly only listening. Before speaking again he cleared his throat,"Obviously this alliance isn't secret and is quite out in the open. We have a great group of powerful countries but what we need is a strong force behind it, I believe that we should have a special defense force that can act as a rapid response to international crisis across the alliance. While the numbers, details, and rules are up for debate, we would like to have some sort of standing military preferably a navy with marine escorts even a small one. Not only will this provide a military to protect all alliance members but it will also bring unity as each of our nations men and women work together. If said policy passes we should then begin to work out the specifics."

The three Hobbeebian Emperors had decided to attend to meeting, but have choosen to remain silent until this moment. Ralkoviahad been known for being a warmonger. and with the suggestion of having a defense Corp. established in the nation of GIA; The Hobbeebian Emperors felt they needed to speak.

" I feel that a defese corp would be benifical to our alliance as a whole, however I must stress a strict regulation of its use in the world around us. Overuse, or misuse of these forces could alienate us from the world as a whole- straining our collective economies." spoke Hobbeebius Ikarus the First Emperor while being surrounded by his families personnel/ceremonial guard.

" I am in full support with my brother. While we are an alliance of empires we can not survive if the world breaks down its economic relations with our nation over misuse of our military forces." Spoke the other named Ca'rl Ikarus

The Third Brother remained silent but shook his head ina manner of agreeing with his two other brothers.

Emperor Antonio Vespillio observed the meeting closely. He had stood firm in agreement with all Imperial discussion. When the Hobbeebian Emperors broguht fourth the defence Corp discussion he was ready to voice an opinion after they had finished..

" I feel that a defese corp would be benifical to our alliance as a whole, however I must stress a strict regulation of its use in the world around us. Overuse, or misuse of these forces could alienate us from the world as a whole- straining our collective economies." spoke Hobbeebius Ikarus the First Emperor while being surrounded by his families personnel/ceremonial guard.


Ca'rl Ikarus expanded on the subject...

" I am in full support with my brother. While we are an alliance of empires we can not survive if the world breaks down its economic relations with our nation over misuse of our military forces."

Emperor Vespillio rose from his seat, "I am in support of the GIA National defence force and it is key to ensuring this alliance survives, it also demonstrates the trust we will have for one another. I don't believe we will have the problem of overuse and misuse, all the members i see here today appear to be dignified, honourable, and RESPONCIBLE world leaders. The members on the war counsil make the final call, but the ALLIANCE members ARE able to voice an opinion WITH stable grounds to back it up, possibly alter a decision if reasoning be legitimate"

Hobbeebius stood up in quick response to Emperor Antonio Vespillio's response.

" I never said any of use where incapable of handling the Defense corp. However I was merely suggesting we be cautious with its use. Because of it being a multi-national force all our names are attached to it and with our names of nations reputations."

"Of course we know the exact implications of depressing the world economy with terror and how it would affect all of us as a whole. We are only asking for a defense force not one used to attack any nation or nations that are not already hostile and have made threats or attacks on us."

Hobbeebius stood up in quick response to Emperor Antonio Vespillio's response.

" I never said any of use where incapable of handling the Defense corp. However I was merely suggesting we be cautious with its use. Because of it being a multi-national force all our names are attached to it and with our names of nations reputations."

Vespillio replied, "Of course, i see and agree with your point. How any of us act reflects on us all in the eyes of the world, we are bound together noble rulers, we must all consider one another now aswell as ourselves"

The ralkovian representative began to talk but his words began to sound rather slurred and rough. His reflexes also slowed which was evident as when he tried to blink it took over 3 seconds instead of the normal time. He took a small device and put it on the back of neck where the head meets the spine. It immediately gave him a fresh dose of pure Nitra-liquigel. It was a side effect of being in the military experimental division for so long. He normally wouldn't be able to even talk or be alive without the neural stimulant coursing through his head.

"We can negotiate procedures and rules after we approve of the general motion."

"We need to realize what we are. We need to know that we can use the support of our brave fellos in this alliance. Therefore, the Scandinvan Empire is in support of the motion to create a general defense for the sake of protecting the overall aims of this mighty alliance."

Vespillio raised his hand and spoke,

"I will second the motion to create a defence force which all Nations of the GIA will contribute to"

"I will vote for the resoultion for a defense force, however, im afraid that our nation cannot, at this very moment, contribute forces to a GIA defense network." Dunmore explained.

Baron Daniel Kendall, the representative of the Kingdom of Tristan Providence, had just arrived in the middle of the discussion on the GIA Self Defense force. He listened as others began to purpose their ideas for a regular force assigned to the GIA. No longer being able to keep his quite, he chose to speak up on the matter. The middle aged man stood up from his seat and with a bellowing voice he addressed the members of the GIA.

"My honored colleagues. I am greatly pleased to be here with you on this momentous day, the beginning of our alliance. His highness the king apologizes for his absence; however he had many pressing matters in the homeland. As for the issue of defense, I have a much more cost effect solution. I propose that instead of making a regular GIA force, the members of the GIA volunteer military units to act as part of the GIA Rapid Reaction Guard. Here is a short draft I have written purposing my idea." He said as he passed the papers around the table.

GIA Rapid Reaction Guard

The GIA Rapid Reaction Guard is to be the shield in the GIA's arsenal of diplomatic tools. The RRG would serve as an armed force able and ready to protect the alliance and its interests in the world. The following is some guidelines on the formation of the RRG.

1. Each member state of the GIA volunteers a military unit, IE: Naval Strike Group, Aircraft Squadron, Land Division, etc. These units would serve as the shield of the alliance when the members of the war council see fit.

2. Each country that had volunteered a unit to the RRG would receive a moderate yearly payment for its upkeep, training, and readiness. This would be based on the size of the unit, equipment used in the unit, and importance of the unit.

3. The RRG could only be called on by a 2/3rds vote by the war council. The units called up by the council would then be placed under the command of a commander the council deemed fit for the operation. When the unit's task is completed, they would then return home, and receive a deposit of money from the GIA for their services and for its needed repairs and replacements.

4. The high commanders of the RRG would be chosen by the war council, and re-chosen every 4 years.

5. Funding for the RRG would come from the GIA's yearly budget.

Reasons for Adopting the RRG:

1. This would cut the cost of a GIA self defense force DRASTICLY, compared to a regular force.
2. Units would be better organized and more equipped for the Operations at hand
3. This also gives the War Council more assets to complete tasks given by the GIA command

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"I hope, my collages, that you all can see the usefulness and inexpensiveness of this plan. It is both cost effective and organized. If you have any suggestions for this plan please bring them up so that we may strengthen it."

"I am quite intrigued by this RRG..." Lord Dunmore commmented brightly.

"However, a question for The Scandinavians....would the Governing Council turn to the War Council for external affairs and the War Council turn to the Governing Council for domestic affairs?"

ooc: (Kind of like the holy roman empire, where the pope knealed to the king on military matters, and the king knealed to the pope on religious matters)

Emperor Vespillio read through the document then stood once again, "This is a splendid outline Baron, you are responcible for it's creation?"

"We are not opposed to the idea of a rapid defense force. But, we currently have no capacity for a naval power. We can commit ground troops, of course, and we'll soon be expanding into having an air force and maybe, if things go well, eventually a space force," Catalia said. "So, we're in favor."

"The Draft was made by me, yet it does have the Kings stamp of approval. If a nation can not lend military units, said nation can always donate money to support the units. However, whether it is mandatory is up to the council."

"Space force?" Dunmore asked Catalia.

"Ralkovia has an overabundance of military units do to the 5 year draft program that has been implemented since the war at Markon. So we can provide extra units to those who cannot support military means.

Ralkovia though agrees with GIA RRG though we believe that 4 years would be way to long and we would like to see it cut down to 2 years with the ability to kick out certain commanders, with of course a 2/3s vote from the war council. This will prevent bad commanders from leading men to their deaths instead of victory.




Ralkovia also has a medium sized space force, though it belongs to the marine and airforce branchs of ralkovia. If you need help my leaders will be happy to help you, some friendly faces up in space our always something to look forward too."

GIA Rapid Reaction Guard

The GIA Rapid Reaction Guard is to be the shield in the GIA's arsenal of diplomatic tools. The RRG would serve as an armed force able and ready to protect the alliance and its interests in the world. The following is some guidelines on the formation of the RRG.

1. Each member state of the GIA volunteers a military unit, IE: Naval Strike Group, Aircraft Squadron, Land Division, etc. These units would serve as the shield of the alliance when the members of the war council see fit.

2. Each country that had volunteered a unit to the RRG would receive a moderate yearly payment for its upkeep, training, and readiness. This would be based on the size of the unit, equipment used in the unit, and importance of the unit.

3. The RRG could only be called on by a 2/3rds vote by the war council. The units called up by the council would then be placed under the command of a commander the council deemed fit for the operation. When the unit's task is completed, they would then return home, and receive a deposit of money from the GIA for their services and for its needed repairs and replacements.

4. The high commanders of the RRG would be chosen by the war council, and re-chosen every 2 years. In that manner, commanders may also be fired with a 2/3rds vote form the war council.

5. Funding for the RRG would come from the GIA's yearly budget.

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"Drafted amended, anymore ideas? Your space force would be most welcome; however, a member of the war council should approve or disapprove units into the RRG"

"And the use of nuclear arsenal or any Weapons of mass destruction, nuclear, biological, chemical or other should only be used after the approval of all 3 members of the war council though if 1 war council member should argue against it even though the benefits outway the consequences than an over ride by the vote of 2/3 of the governing body could be used."

GIA Rapid Reaction Guard

The GIA Rapid Reaction Guard is to be the shield in the GIA's arsenal of diplomatic tools. The RRG would serve as an armed force able and ready to protect the alliance and its interests in the world. The following is some guidelines on the formation of the RRG.

1. Each member state of the GIA volunteers a military unit, IE: Naval Strike Group, Aircraft Squadron, Land Division, etc. These units would serve as the shield of the alliance when the members of the war council see fit.

2. Each country that had volunteered a unit to the RRG would receive a moderate yearly payment for its upkeep, training, and readiness. This would be based on the size of the unit, equipment used in the unit, and importance of the unit.

3. The RRG could only be called on by a 2/3rds vote by the war council. The units called up by the council would then be placed under the command of a commander the council deemed fit for the operation. When the unit's task is completed, they would then return home, and receive a deposit of money from the GIA for their services and for its needed repairs and replacements.

4. The high commanders of the RRG would be chosen by the war council, and re-chosen every 2 years. In that manner, commanders may also be fired with a 2/3rds vote form the war council.

5. Funding for the RRG would come from the GIA's yearly budget.

6. WMD's of any type (nuclear, biological, chemical, godrods) shall not be used unless a unanimous vote in favor by the war council is made. If one member of the war council votes in disfavor then an 2/3rds vote in favor by the governing body must be made to approve the override.

(I think I would be an asshole if I asked you to amend something again)

"We would also like the option of amending this act if 2 out of 3 war council agree to it, other then that I have no forseeable additions to this wonderful document"

(I think I would be an asshole if I asked you to amend something again)

"We would also like the option of amending this act if 2 out of 3 war council agree to it, other then that I have no forseeable additions to this wonderful document"

OOC: lol its k.

GIA Rapid Reaction Guard Charter
-Baron Daniel Kendall-

The GIA Rapid Reaction Guard is to be the shield in the GIA's arsenal of diplomatic tools. The RRG would serve as an armed force able and ready to protect the alliance and its interests in the world. The following is some guidelines on the formation of the RRG.

1. Each member state of the GIA volunteers a military unit, IE: Naval Strike Group, Aircraft Squadron, Land Division, etc. These units would serve as the shield of the alliance when the members of the war council see fit.

2. Each country that had volunteered a unit to the RRG would receive a moderate yearly payment for its upkeep, training, and readiness. This would be based on the size of the unit, equipment used in the unit, and importance of the unit.

3. The RRG could only be called on by a 2/3rds vote by the war council. The units called up by the council would then be placed under the command of a commander the council deemed fit for the operation. When the unit's task is completed, they would then return home, and receive a deposit of money from the GIA for their services and for its needed repairs and replacements.

4. The high commanders of the RRG would be chosen by the war council, and re-chosen every 2 years. In that manner, commanders may also be fired with a 2/3rds vote form the war council.

5. Funding for the RRG would come from the GIA's yearly budget.

6. WMD's of any type (nuclear, biological, chemical, godrods) shall not be used unless a unanimous vote in favor by the war council is made. If one member of the war council votes in disfavor then an 2/3rds vote in favor by the governing body must be made to approve the override of the War Councils vote.

7. Amending this charter requires the vote of 2/3rds of the war council.

"May I motion for a vote on this charter?"

"Ralkovia approves the motion"

"All in favor please say Aye."

"Space force?" Dunmore asked Catalia.

"We plan to, in time, get a space program going. Included will be people and vehicles dedicated to taking out enemy satellites," Catalia answered.

[quote]"All in favor please say Aye."

"Aye!"

"Aye"

"Aye"

Nay. The Waldenburg Empire's only issue with the vote at hand is the classification of chemical weapons (In article VI) which we believe, though demanding a strict level of oversight, do not fall under the category thus proscribed.

Nay. The Waldenburg Empire's only issue with the vote at hand is the classification of chemical weapons (In article VI) which we believe, though demanding a strict level of oversight, do not fall under the category thus proscribed.

"That can always be discussed after the establishment of the RRG."

"For which an amendment would require a 2\3's majority rather than a more general plurality."

"Well it is a 3 to 1 vote so far"

( I assume tristan will vote for his own amendment)

"Aye"

"We would rather have a definition of chemical and biological weapons before this passes than afterward. For this reason, Santheres votes nay at this juncture."

"We would rather have a definition of chemical and biological weapons before this passes than afterward. For this reason, Santheres votes nay at this juncture."

"Chemical weapons we can understand changing the definition. However, Biological weapons are WMD's, and we will support no Amendment changing their definition."

"The fact is that there is no definition at all, which adds to the nature of this. Arguments can be made for a lot of things being or not being biological warfare. It's not so simple as 'cause a plague' to many, if not most. Some may be more strict in their definitions than you are. Others less. This is no amendment, this is clarification to avoid unnecessary errors and problems down the road."

"The fact is that there is no definition at all, which adds to the nature of this. Arguments can be made for a lot of things being or not being biological warfare. It's not so simple as 'cause a plague' to many, if not most. Some may be more strict in their definitions than you are. Others less. This is no amendment, this is clarification to avoid unnecessary errors and problems down the road."

"Ah, yes, I see what you are saying now. Now, what perimeters would you put on a WMD?"

Hobbeebia: Aye in favor of the newest form of the RRG admendment.

The Empire of Avarahn votes in favor of this latest motion.

We would also like to add that the force we would volunteer would be the Naval Comprehensive Light Attack Force ( N-CLAF ).

Also, we agree that the definition of chemical, biological and mass destruction weapons be carefully regulated and controlled and only ever used if there are no other options and if it is not an inherently evil action.

________________

His Imperial Highness Prince Terrens De Renard,
Duke of Oeil Aigel ( 59 th ),
Marquis of Matheson,
Earl of Evening Bay,
Count Silver Rings,
Baron De Renard,
Knight of the Purple Order, the Imperial Knighthood, the Vareal Honour,
Imperial Representative of The Emperor.

In the name of Emperor Jason Chrissahn Serention I,
The Empire of Avarahn.


" Aut viam inveniam, aut faciam "


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"I must object to this amendment on the grounds that it violates Article on the grounds that the use weapons of mass destruction, in soverign state, is regulated by the respective and not in anyway regulated by the GIA.

Article 2:

3. That no member commits any act of sabotage, war, or violation of sovereignty.

As well, as the following that the General Assembly due to the fact that to include extensions of the overall Charter, or subsequent powers of the GIA belong to the General Assembly and not the War Council. Thus it is the power of the GA and not the War Council to amend any treaty or proposal.

Article 5:

15. All powers not delegated to the other Councils do hereby belong solely to the General Assembly of the members of the GIA.

To note we cannot support this proposal till its sixth and seventh causes are striken from it or amended radically."

"I must object to this amendment on the grounds that it violates Article on the grounds that the use weapons of mass destruction, in soverign state, is regulated by the respective and not in anyway regulated by the GIA.

Article 2:

3. That no member commits any act of sabotage, war, or violation of sovereignty.

As well, as the following that the General Assembly due to the fact that to include extensions of the overall Charter, or subsequent powers of the GIA belong to the General Assembly and not the War Council. Thus it is the power of the GA and not the War Council to amend any treaty or proposal.

Article 5:

15. All powers not delegated to the other Councils do hereby belong solely to the General Assembly of the members of the GIA.

To note we cannot support this proposal till its sixth and seventh causes are striken from it or amended radically."

"I don't quite see how my charter violates article 2. I would be most happy to change the 6th and 7th clauses if I could get an idea, of what they should be changed to."

"What Ralkovia has in mind was not regulating anyones military, that would do more harm to my country than anyone else here but that the GIA should approve of the use of these weapons first when a country appeals to use them in a conflict that GIA troops are in. This is to prevent the death of GIA troops in the region if there is a mission secret or otherwise. If a country should fire a nuclear weapon because their intelligence somehow fails then there should be a back up system to protect our troops.

If a country is in a war with another country that is not a GIA nation or one that we have designated hostile and we should all fight then that country is regulated to use the weapons however they like. So pretty much it goes like this

Conflict with GIA troops in the region- approval for WMDS by the council

Conflict between a GIA nation and another nation and no GIA troops are needed or being used- Free use of WMDs...well as free as you should use with weapons that cost millions to manufacture and use.

This is beneficial to our alliance because we have the ability to have some order in a war region instead of every country on their own using nukes, chemicals, and biological agents as they see fit and causing untold damage to not only the enemy but troops.

This act though should have an elastic cause that allows a nation to use a WMD on what we should designate a priority target. Such as a large army, an important enemy leader, or enemy facilities that manufacture or are capable of launching a nuclear, bilogical, chemical, or orbital based weapon asset if they believe that the oppurtunity would be lost if they didn't act at that moment. Of course if GIA troops were lost in that attack there would be an investigation of what happened and if the action the country was deemed right, not morally or ethically, then it is dropped. If deemed wrong, well it should be elevated to the governing body where they would decide what the punishment is. Of course they will pay compensation to the families of the GIA soldiers lost in the attack but other than that it is up to the governing body.

That is what I had in mind."

"I am quite intrigued by this RRG..." Lord Dunmore commmented brightly.

"However, a question for The Scandinavians....would the Governing Council turn to the War Council for external affairs and the War Council turn to the Governing Council for domestic affairs?"

ooc: (Kind of like the holy roman empire, where the pope knealed to the king on military matters, and the king knealed to the pope on religious matters)"The powers are quite clearly laid out in the Charter of the GIA."

"Ok lets get onto the next order of business. I would like to propose a unified Embargo list, countries that are listed will not be traded with by any of our countries. This will put up a united front of the alliance. Details can be discussed further by my Emperor would like a unified alliance not only in force but in mind. We must all stand together and help one another."


(If I was around during the time of the American Constitution I believe they never would have got it done because I would just keep adding amendments)

"That may not be appropriate at this time to discuss embargos untill we have presented ourselves to the international community, however, a united front on who we are against in general might benifit us greatly when we come to forign policy."

"Fine then it sounds good to me"

"What Ralkovia has in mind was not regulating anyones military, that would do more harm to my country than anyone else here but that the GIA should approve of the use of these weapons first when a country appeals to use them in a conflict that GIA troops are in. This is to prevent the death of GIA troops in the region if there is a mission secret or otherwise. If a country should fire a nuclear weapon because their intelligence somehow fails then there should be a back up system to protect our troops.

If a country is in a war with another country that is not a GIA nation or one that we have designated hostile and we should all fight then that country is regulated to use the weapons however they like. So pretty much it goes like this

Conflict with GIA troops in the region- approval for WMDS by the council

Conflict between a GIA nation and another nation and no GIA troops are needed or being used- Free use of WMDs...well as free as you should use with weapons that cost millions to manufacture and use.

This is beneficial to our alliance because we have the ability to have some order in a war region instead of every country on their own using nukes, chemicals, and biological agents as they see fit and causing untold damage to not only the enemy but troops.

This act though should have an elastic cause that allows a nation to use a WMD on what we should designate a priority target. Such as a large army, an important enemy leader, or enemy facilities that manufacture or are capable of launching a nuclear, bilogical, chemical, or orbital based weapon asset if they believe that the oppurtunity would be lost if they didn't act at that moment. Of course if GIA troops were lost in that attack there would be an investigation of what happened and if the action the country was deemed right, not morally or ethically, then it is dropped. If deemed wrong, well it should be elevated to the governing body where they would decide what the punishment is. Of course they will pay compensation to the families of the GIA soldiers lost in the attack but other than that it is up to the governing body.

That is what I had in mind.""To point out the War Council would, technically, have the power to order a WMD strike if they so willed if such a resolution was passed."

"If the war council cannot have power over WMDs, then I would suggest that individual members should retain the right to issue sanctions against members who use an excess of force in this manner. There is no excuse for using a nuclear weapon when a handful of troops would do just as well other than disregard for human life, the environment, and government funds. Even if a caveat must be added to "acts of war" or "free trade," and the disallowment of embargoes to make this work.

"Whichever is more agreeable.

"Now, where exactly are we going with this?"

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"If the war council cannot have power over WMDs, then I would suggest that individual members should retain the right to issue sanctions against members who use an excess of force in this manner. There is no excuse for using a nuclear weapon when a handful of troops would do just as well other than disregard for human life, the environment, and government funds. Even if a caveat must be added to "acts of war" or "free trade," and the disallowment of embargoes to make this work.

"Whichever is more agreeable.

"Now, where exactly are we going with this?""The more legal way, according to the standards set forth by the Charter, would be for the Assembly to handle this issue and can be given the powers to govern the use of WMD's."

"So what do we have to do then?"

He got up for a second to stretch."Actually I would propose we look to new business first and put this controversial matter behind us until we can deliberate a resolution"

"Second."

One of the ralkovian guards ran into the room,"sir, the country its falling apart."

The man stood for a second in disbelief,"WHAT!?!?!?!?!?!" He couldn't have said it louder if he had a megaphone."Please Excuse Me I have a national crisis to deal with." The man said walking out as fast as he could.

I syggest that the Imperial Alliance assist our fellow Imperial nation, Ralkovia in their domestic problems.

I am sure that the current Empress of Ralkovia will be glad for any assistance whatsoever.

Ralkovia is an imperial nation that has long been ruled by middle ground policies and governments under and Imperial monarchy. Now that imperial monarchy is poised to fall unless we help them.

If not we will lose a good imperial nation to communists and fascists. We do not want that, thus i suggest all capable members to lend financial, diplomatic or military support to aid Ralkovia in their darkest hour.

Thank you.

(I needed to do something or this alliance would be dead and forgotten.)

If I where an imperial nation I would join up...

Edit: Because that would mean I need a military... at current I have none!

The Hobbeebian Emperor Hobbeebius stood and gave a proposal...

" What of our protectorates, will they be under the subject of the GIA's resolutions or will they remain under the sole command of their protectors?"

(I needed to do something or this alliance would be dead and forgotten.)

i agree, now we just have to wait and see..

If I where an imperial nation I would join up...

why dont you become one ???

hehe :)