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As SMJ attacked Roefian borders a few days ago, Roef attacks back.
Roef first talked with the president, and tryed to find a peaceful way. But it didnt work out, as one of the military's of the president, shot at our minister of Defence, on order of the president of SMJ. This gets: A full war. A village; Dan-khien, is getting attacked by roef troops. A army of NN troops, specials in boms and machine guns, the NN-1111, is attacking this village now. 1200 soldiers are in this army.
The borders, are getting attacked to.

Richard Alkebra runned toward Dan-Khien. With his ak-47 loaded, and his bombs ready for use, lying a bit back, they where ready for the attack. In this village, Minister of defence is living... If we can catch him, we can ask a lot of money and/or surrender. Guns started to rumble, people fell down, and more and more NN troops came out of the woods, and everbody started to fire. After a minute of so, the civilians started to shoot back... Strange, a soldiers called. "I didnt knew they had guns!" A other one yelled.
Richard walked into the village, and was searching for the minister of defence. After a few minutes, half of the town was taken over, but the minister was still not found... Than Richard saw him, the minister...
He runned to him, pulling out his hidden 12mm gun ,and shot the man in his foot. The minister fell down, and Richard took him to the rest of the soldiers.
After the village was burned down, everybody left...
More towns where attacked, and more people, and soldiers, found the death...

Security of State Theresa Green was being ferryed through the area aboard Air Force Three.
"Madam Secuutary, there appears to be alot of weapons fire below and major explosions" An aide reported
"Any idea on teh cause?" Thereas asked
"None"
"Ok, reroute us to the nearest Civvie airport" Theresa said as she stood and headed to the command deck at the top of the airplane "And get me the nations govvermant"

The soldiers prepared for a new attack: This time, with a small, helpless village as goal. The village, is going to be blown up, and in a few hours, the soldiers would attack.

OOC: Who are the SMJ? Are they a nation, terrorist organisation or what?

OOC: A nation, but it doe's not exist. That is why i use it, and it is a sort of terrorist organisation too... A bit of both...

OOC: You realise this will over stretch your troops? You got two wars happening including this one.

TO: Roef Government
FROM: Northam-York Government

Before we can make a say in anything, we would like to know why is Roef interested with invading its next door nation?

At this time the Government of Salzland is unable to manufacture a Causus Belli satisfactory enough to warrant a declaration of war against Roef, on behalf of Sandi-Maru-Jet.

(Edit) However, we will continue to monitor the incident as it develops.

Official Statement By The Ustian Ministry Of Defence

Over 2 hours ago, the nation of Roef declared war on Sandi-Maru-Jet. An hour ago, the Prime Minister authourised the Navy to go to full alert, and engage the Roef-ian forces whenever & wherever they meet. Untill Roef backs out of the nation of Sandi-Maru-Jet, they are at a de-facto state of war with Ustio.

Meanwhile...

Ships slid from their docks all over Ustio. Soon, the Centre Force was assembled in the Hudson Straights, just off the coast of Ustio. They steamed forward, heading into international waters.

Centre Force ORBAT
Ustian Royal Navy - 16 Ships
- 3 Kuznetsov Class Carriers (HMS Vengeance, Victory & Vision)
- 2 Modernised Iowa Class Battleships (HMS Dagonet & Artorius)
- 4 Type 45 Destroyers (HMS Hydria, Stier, Pelagious & St. Stanley)
- 4 Type 23 Frigates (HMS Typhoon, Tempest, Tornado & Triumph)
- 2 Typhoon Class Submarines (HMS Waldriech & Solis Ortis)
- 1 Wasp Class Amphibious Assault Ship (HMS Marauder)

Fleet Air Arm - 92 Aircraft
- 80 Su-33 Flanker-D Naval Fighters
- 4 Tu-160 Blackjack Bombers (Operating From Bases In Ustio)
- 8 Lun Class Ekranoplan

Air Force Three touched down at an airport and Theresa stepped out onto the tarmac
"Anything yet from either side?"
"Nothing"

International Waters

The ships of the Ustian Centre Force sliced through the waves out in international waters. So far, they had not seen any Roef-ian ships. But tensions were already running high. The sailors & airmen of the Centre Force had heard of The Aggresive People Of Roef long before this deployment, and their constant aggression against nations of the world - Kewen, Salzland - the list went on.

The ships had adopted a standard defensive posture, with the Carriers at the centre of a circle of Destroyers & Frigates, and the Battleships bringing up the outer Port & Starboard sides. The submarines were not far too, leading the charge with the Lun Class Ekranoplan's scouring the seas for ships, subs and mines, with Su-33's running Combat Air Patrols over the fleet.

The Roef iant soldiers got massage that some peopel where on the move: Enemy's. They where ordert, to return home at once.

[QUOTE=Ustio North;14080675]International Waters

The ships of the Ustian Centre Force sliced through the waves out in international waters. So far, they had not seen any Roef-ian ships. But tensions were already running high. The sailors & airmen of the Centre Force had heard of The Aggresive People Of Roef long before this deployment, and their constant aggression against nations of the world - Kewen, Salzland - the list went on.
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No, no no no. Kewen declared war on ME, and salzland did too.

OOC: It's propaganda Roef. Since I'd condsider Salzland a neutral nation, possibly friendly, then our news would spin it so that it looked like you started those wars.

OOC: Refusing diplomacy and sending more troops to a disputed territory is effectively a declaration of war.

Edit: But that's neither here or there.

ooc i don't see any post from Kewen about war with you

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=566600

It's here Imperial

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=566600

It's here Imperial
ooc
thanks an huh,somneone now screwed

ooc
thanks an huh,somneone now screwed

OOC: Well, he did say that his forces were retreating, so he's out of the hot water for the moment.

Things were usually quiet in Lynion with Fungi and the Pirate Alliance fully extinct. However, with the recent troubles near Roef, it was taken into caution if another detachment of 50,000 men and extra equipment should be sent to Lynx Colony. Under the command of Tal Rasha, a sizeable detachment force was sent to Lynx Colony to ensure that the colony and its people weren't threaten by the sudden war in the next region.

Imperial Statement

Romandeos has considered deploying forces to help resolve this conflict, but it appears Roef's government has realized this situation is impossible, and the military forces of that nation are now in retreat. While we could sustain such military deployments as would be necessary to pacify the region we currently have not the desire to do this.

For the moment, we shall be content to remain on the sidelines and observe.

~ Imperial Diplomatic Representative Charles Goodman

OOC: Before I bother writing an IC post would anyone be interested in assisting me imposing a No Fly Zone along the Roefian border?

OOC: I'll will as the Battlehawk needs to get involved (SEE BELOW)

"How close are we to our oilfields in this area?"
"Not far, this is a major concern"

OOC: Before I bother writing an IC post would anyone be interested in assisting me imposing a No Fly Zone along the Roefian border?

OOC: In a word: Yes. I'll use the Centre Force to patrol there if you like.

OOC: Trying to make a no fly zone? Well, il tell you one thing:
My military planes will fly out wherever they want, they wont,as than everybody always declare war, and second: My passager planes will fly too. If you send any planes into my area, you will be destroyed. Or atleast your planes.

OOC: I assure you that if you fire on Tolvanic planes your air force will cease to exist, I spend more on defense then your rinky ink country's entire GDP.

OOC: Yes, what would you do: I got a lot of more money, and i was setting up a act of war against you? What would you do?

ooc: Hum... If nothing else it will make a good addition news-clip to my next "Into the Unknown" broadcast. Karshkovia probably won't get involved just because I don't like rolling over nations with less than five months game time. Now if they ended up attacking a real nation instead of a fake nation, then the fleets (as listed in my link below) may be called up.

edit: Per your comment to Tolvan, look at the "Join date". If the nation is over a year older than you , they pretty much could walk all over your country and not break a sweat. In point of fact, so could I or my friend (at least I think of him as my friend) Ustio. I'd keep my aggression in check personally. Just helpful words of advice.

OOC: Yes, but if this nation already attacked yours first?

OOC be a nice walk in the park Karshkovia

OOC: Yes, but if this nation already attacked yours first?

ooc: if you attacked Karshkovia, which no one has done because I like diplomacy and to work things out instead of battles, your nation would pretty much become a protectorate that I would most likely donate to Ustio or Stoklomolvi or The Third Spanish States. And if you upset me, I'd probably give your nation to The Ryou Black Islands.

If a bigger nation attacked me, I'd try to work it out diplomatically and play some quick defense-only with my military...but that's just me.

You also may want to look into the fact that your nation needs to be at least one more solid month older before you would be allowed to RP your start of a nuclear weapons program. Countries like Ustio, Karshkovia, and Tolvan have nukes already. Bad idea to get in any sort of brawl with them .

Again, just words of advice.

edit: Per your comment to Tolvan, look at the "Join date". If the nation is over a year older than you , they pretty much could walk all over your country and not break a sweat. In point of fact, so could I or my friend (at least I think of him as my friend) Ustio. I'd keep my aggression in check personally. Just helpful words of advice.

OOC:That you can :)

In response to your comment about use of nuclear weapons, I do have them but I try my best to keep their use to an absolute minimum, as going round nuking any nation under the sun is just dumb, and generally turns most NS members against you.

However, don't think that means I wouldn't use them if the situation called for it...

ooc: Ustio..just as an aside, you are in the NEWS (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=566219&highlight=karshkovia).

ooc: <snip>

And if you upset me, I'd probably give your nation to The Ryou Black Islands.

<bigger snip>

OOC: Dude, that's harsh. And we'd totally glass you for being an enemy of anything sane. :tongue:

ooc: Ustio..just as an aside, you are in the NEWS (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=566219&highlight=karshkovia).

OOC: Nice. You seem to know my nation pretty well.

OOC: Dude, that's harsh. And we'd totally glass you for being an enemy of anything sane. :tongue:

OOC: Well, I suppose it depends on the level he pisses Karshkovia off. Having been involved in the Greston-Ryou Genocide War, I couldn't condone giving him to Ryou, but I wouldn't be in a position to stop you.

OOC: Yes, what would you do: I got a lot of more money, and i was setting up a act of war against you? What would you do?

OOC: Even though I only RP with a pop of about one billion, I'm still much considerably larger and vastly more powerful than you are. Normally I dislike attacking small nations but you never seem to learn that blatant aggression will not go unpunished.

OOC: Roef, stop pissing people off. You and your brother seem to have this pathological need to lead people on, then yell at us when we respond. If you continue like this there isn't a single person on NS who will RP with you.

OOC: Dude, that's harsh. And we'd totally glass you for being an enemy of anything sane. :tongue:

ooc: lol...well that certainly would put you more into the NEWS (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=14081509&postcount=47)

OOC: Let's try to stay on topic.

IC:

To: Nations of the World (excluding Roef)
From: Office of the Minister of Defense, Salzland

Sirs and Madams,

Having received word concerning a proposed No-Fly Zone around the Nation of Roef, the Armed Republic of Salzland is more than willing to dispatch forces to ensure that Roef-ian military air units are not able to conduct operations outside of their nation. Please advise as to how many air and sea units you require from the Salzland Defense Forces in order to effect said No-Fly Zone.

Signed,

Ian Williams
Minister for Defense

ooc: if you attacked Karshkovia, which no one has done because I like diplomacy and to work things out instead of battles, your nation would pretty much become a protectorate that I would most likely donate to Ustio or Stoklomolvi or The Third Spanish States. And if you upset me, I'd probably give your nation to The Ryou Black Islands.

If a bigger nation attacked me, I'd try to work it out diplomatically and play some quick defense-only with my military...but that's just me.

You also may want to look into the fact that your nation needs to be at least one more solid month older before you would be allowed to RP your start of a nuclear weapons program. Countries like Ustio, Karshkovia, and Tolvan have nukes already. Bad idea to get in any sort of brawl with them .

Again, just words of advice.

OOC: What about me? I like colonies too. :D

Any way, despite having a longer time on NS than Karsh, he is still probably more wise and patient than I. So if you are able to piss him off enough for him to threaten to give you away to Ryou, you must be extremely aggressive.

So simply, quiet down with the warmongering and the threatening of everyone's allies.

ooc: roef, arnt you getting ahead of yourself, im INVADING YOU and your delaring this attack, personally i think its a bit stupid, you should wait untill after our little war before yo udo this, i mean you dont know if you win or lose yet, and if i win i sure as hell wouldnt let a Australia-esque colony(whichi is what you would become) do this. ^.^

ooc: roef, arnt you getting ahead of yourself, im INVADING YOU and your delaring this attack, personally i think its a bit stupid, you should wait untill after our little war before yo udo this, i mean you dont know if you win or lose yet, and if i win i sure as hell wouldnt let a Australia-esque colony(whichi is what you would become) do this. ^.^

OOC: No worries Kewen - he ran a mile after I entered international waters.

ooc: Im half tempted to make you a colony greston of the MC

OOC: I assume we want to keep the No-Fly Zone here... still waiting for an IC reply as to what forces you require from me.

ooc: Im half tempted to make you a colony greston of the MC

OOC: That would be very impressive if your little MC could colonize me. That little alliance of yours is very poor and would be extremely easy to fend off.

ooc: Im half tempted to make you a colony greston of the MC

OOC: That would be very impressive if your little MC could colonize me. That little alliance of yours is very poor and would be extremely easy to fend off.

OOC: And you've not taken into account the nations that would come to Greston's aid :rolleyes:

OOC:

Idle threats are almost always a bad idea, Gataway.

OOC: And you've not taken into account the nations that would come to New Greston's aid :rolleyes:

OOC: lol, I highly suggest you delete the New before he mauls you. It's like calling Waldenburg's nation "Waldenburg2" or Uiri's guys "Uirian," or my guys Leistungian.

OOC: Nah, me and Ustio are cool. I'd just whack him over the back of the head and be done.

OOC: And you've not taken into account the nations that would come to Greston's aid :rolleyes:

OOC: *Winks* I don't know what you're talking about.

ooc: Seeing as I would be the OP i'd reach an agreement with Greston and limit the number of partcipants on both sides to avoid the typical NS clusterf%$# so it wouldn't matter how many allies either of us had. And I wouldnt so much call it little New Greston seeing as even if I go by your old nations population I have seven hundred something million on you alone..but that requires me to remove the 300 million population cap I put on my nation and deal with all NS's wanked bs..which unfortunately I have to do since my old place of rping has closed.

ooc: Seeing as I would be the OP i'd reach an agreement with Greston and limit the number of partcipants on both sides to avoid the typical NS clusterf%$# so it wouldn't matter how many allies either of us had.

OOC: I'm led to believe that your threats are not hollow, then?

ooc: Not so much, but it's cool folks. As we can see the thread as it was started is pretty much derailed and the thread starter was spanked by the grownups and sent to his room without dinner.

Now if the adults would stop circling the dinner table with knives, I think we are all set to close the thread :)

ooc: Well there is the matter of the Gholgoth thing going on in my region, which Greston has said he'd support the Goths instead of the region, if/when he does that would place him in a de facto state of war with the rest of the region.

ooc: talking on regions, I'm thinking of looking for a new one with some other nations that RP here in II. Hummm.....

ooc: You'd probably be welcome in Mediterranica, we just want active people...lately our influx of new players all died...

ooc: Well there is the matter of the Gholgoth thing going on in my region, which Greston has said he'd support the Goths instead of the region, if/when he does that would place him in a de facto state of war with the rest of the region.

OOC:Ah yes, the Gholgoth thing...good luck not getting smeared against the wall, by the way.

ooc: Numbers are not everything, everyone on NS seems to think "I have 1billion pop and you have 500 million so I crush you!" No not the case and thankfully Gholgothic rpers under stand this as well.

ooc: Numbers are not everything, everyone on NS seems to think "I have 1billion pop and you have 500 million so I crush you!" No not the case and thankfully Gholgothic rpers under stand this as well.

OOC: If I thought numbers were everything I wouldn't be threatening you right now.

ooc I dont get threatned by nats :wink:

ooc: Not so much, but it's cool folks. As we can see the thread as it was started is pretty much derailed and the thread starter was spanked by the grownups and sent to his room without dinner.

Now if the adults would stop circling the dinner table with knives, I think we are all set to close the thread :)

OOC: That's par for the course with Roef's threads.

Gentlemen, even if this has gone somewhat off topic, it doesn't mean we can't be civil with each other.

ooc: Alright, do you want me to turn this thread around right now? I will so help me god! Now Leistung, you stop provolking Gateway, and Gateway quit poking Leistung or I will reach back there and bop both of you in the head and place you in time out.

oh god....I'm turning into my father

Gataway not gateway..im not a PC

[OOC: You got AIM/MSN Gataway?]

Gataway not gateway..im not a PC

*sigh*

yes. you see my MSN logo thing but if not its rtpayton17@hotmail.com aim is the same thing just without the @hotmail.com part

OOC: Alright Gat, long story short before I go: attack Greston and you will lose. He has tons of allies, invading the number of islands he has would be a logistical nightmare, and if you haven't noticed, his troops don't tend to surrender.

ooc: all points you just made are null...Budda Im on MSN what'd u want..?

ooc: all points you just made are null...Budda Im on MSN what'd u want..?

OOC: Ah...no they aren't.

ooc: Seeing as I would be the OP i'd reach an agreement with Greston and limit the number of partcipants on both sides to avoid the typical NS clusterf%$# so it wouldn't matter how many allies either of us had. And I wouldnt so much call it little New Greston seeing as even if I go by your old nations population I have seven hundred something million on you alone..but that requires me to remove the 300 million population cap I put on my nation and deal with all NS's wanked bs..which unfortunately I have to do since my old place of rping has closed.

OOC: Actually, Kewen has a point. Even though you can limit the number of allies Greston could have, you can't limit who they are and while you claim that numbers aren't everything, they do contribute somewhat to a nations victory or defeat in war.

ooc: Leistung just don't argue with Gataway. He's not worth the effort. Remember Sadaam's Intelligence Minister waving his hands and saying "There are no American troops in the capital"? That's Gataway right now. :)

OOC: Salzland, if you declare war on me, or a act of war, Kewen will help me. I agreed to fight this war, and he will help me with my military.

OOC: My View on Roef............Invade him.

Oh and Stop if the OOCs, same to Roef.

OOC: Salzland, if you declare war on me, or a act of war, Kewen will help me. I agreed to fight this war, and he will help me with my military.

OOC: Roef, Kewen is already at war with you! :rolleyes:

OOC: Roef, I think there's a number of nations that are willing to invade you. Just one question aimed at Roef: Why do you make this threads?

OOC: I know, but as i said: He asked me first, if i wanted war, he would, if he won, help my military, spend something of his 15 trillion on my defence, and if i didnt wanted war with him, he woudnt started one. It was all, a gaint deal. I agreed to the war, and we came up with these idea's outself. Get it already?

OOC: Roef, I think there's a number of nations that are willing to invade you. Just one question aimed at Roef: Why do you make this threads?

I like to see how you all get upset and angry. No, its a joke... Just, i like to make these threads.

OOC: Roef, Kewen is already at war with you! :rolleyes:

OOC: from what I am seeing, This Roef guy is like DoubleWideville, only he doesn't want to conquer NS and he is much worse.

OOC: Salzland, if you declare war on me, or a act of war, Kewen will help me. I agreed to fight this war, and he will help me with my military.

OOC:

?

A.) When did I declare war on you? Besides smacking you around and taking Great Hanika.

B.) The only messages I've sent in-character have been to set up a No-Fly Zone prohibiting your Air Force from operating outside your nation.

C.) I prefer to let Kewen speak for himself as to what he intends to do.

OOC: One last question aimed at Roef: How many allies do you have? They don't include any nation starting with Canedian...

ooc: No, I just wanted to end the conversation but now I will continue.

1. I didn't say i would limit who they are, and I know this but I could make a 100 page list of times where the larger supposedly more dominate force is sent packing by a much smaller one. The 300 movie is based of one such event and then there is the American revolution as well just to name two.

2. Logistically it would be simple to take only islands needed and let the others dwindle away when supplies stop, same as US did to Japan in WW2. And who said I would be taking prisoners?

I'd like to be done but if you wish to continue then I have all day since I'm on convalescent leave

OOC: I know, but as i said: He asked me first, if i wanted war, he would, if he won, help my military, spend something of his 15 trillion on my defence, and if i didnt wanted war with him, he woudnt started one. It was all, a gaint deal. I agreed to the war, and we came up with these idea's outself. Get it already?

OOC: I've been watching the Operation Marauder thread Roef, and what you said I have almost no problem with, except this

OOC: I know, but as i said: He asked me first, if i wanted war, he would, if he won, help my military, spend something of his 15 trillion on my defence

Now, as I see it Roef, neither of you have won yet - so why would he help you when he's halfway through a battle against you?

ooc: No, I just wanted to end the conversation but now I will continue.

1. I didn't say i would limit who they are, and I know this but I could make a 100 page list of times where the larger supposedly more dominate force is sent packing by a much smaller one. The 300 movie is based of one such event and then there is the American revolution as well just to name two.

2. Logistically it would be simple to take only islands needed and let the others dwindle away when supplies stop, same as US did to Japan in WW2. And who said I would be taking prisoners?

I'd like to be done but if you wish to continue then I have all day since I'm on convalescent leave

OOC: We ought to move this to TG's or something. As to your points, you do realize that the smaller force is generally the defender's, right? Your second point would rely on you achieving naval superiority, like the US in WWII. That's much easier said than done when dealing with Greston.

OOC: Gataway, I would like to add the last years of WW1 when Germany was blockarded by the Allied Forces and with that, they eventually straved and they lost the war via lack of supplies.

OOC: I've been watching the Operation Marauder thread Roef, and what you said I have almost no problem with, except this



Now, as I see it Roef, neither of you have won yet - so why would he help you when he's halfway through a battle against you?

The war is almost over. He got only about 1000 or 2000 troops, 1 battleship and a few cruisers, a few tanks and some artillery. I got around 3000 to 4000 troops, 8 tanks, 3 battleships, 6 cruisers, and a lot of artillery on the second defence place there. This war will higly take a day, or maybe two. He woudnt help middle in teh war, but this war is almost over, and salzland didnt declare war yet. I think that is enough.

ooc: roef, lemme put it plain and simple. YOU CANT TRAIN AND BUY MORE TROOPS. not with an "incrsed budget" in the RP this is IN ONE DAY, and your budget has not increased, in the RP your defense budget is as high as it was when we started, no more no less, give or take i'd say in IC terms this has been going on for almost four to five hours our little war, and in that time your defense budget will not increase and you wouldnt have time to train a new group of soilders.

OOC: It doesn't sound like it's nearly over, more like it's just beginning.

Besides, how do you know Kewen won't side with us?

OOC: It doesn't sound like it's nearly over, more like it's just beginning.

Besides, how do you know Kewen won't side with us?

OOC: Because he was siding with me from the start, we talked before we came on teh idea of the war, and you are mistaking: It is almost over. If 98% of teh army's sent is dead, i think it is alsmost over.

ooc: You know, I'm about ready to send in my navy (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=13874088#post13874088) with 250,000 troops and just finish this war off already.

OOC: This war is already over, if you read everything, you see my troops are away, so dont blame me now. And as second, they attacked first! This a defending act...

OOC: Defending being the operative word there. Karshkovia, your fleet has my support.

OOC: So, if anybody attacked you, you defend and defeat, and you attack bsck, you dont call it fair? Strange, you should see a doctor for that.

OOC: So, if anybody attacked you, you defend and defeat, and you attack bsck, you dont call it fair? Strange, you should see a doctor for that.

[OOC: That was CORNY.]

OOC: No, that was true...

OOC: No, that was true...

[OOC: No. It was a sad attempt at being funny, you dumb fuck. Let me ask you, do kids in your school make fun of you, like I'm making fun of you? Because I'd believe that in a second, in fact, even if you say no, I'm pretty sure that's exactly how your life is. Man, that must be awesome.]

OOC: ...

It's too early in the day for me to consume the amount of alcohol I'd need to to deal with this properly.

IC:

The Government of Salzland will fully support its allies in Ustio North in this matter. Please feel free to call upon us for any assistance you may require. The entirety of the Salzland Defense Forces are at your disposal.

OOC: ...

It's too early in the day for me to consume the amount of alcohol I'd need to to deal with this properly.

IC:

The Government of Salzland will fully support its allies in Ustio North in this matter. Please feel free to call upon us for any assistance you may require. The entirety of the Salzland Defense Forces are at your disposal.

OOC: That's okay, i'm drunk enough for the two of us!

Nah, but thanks for the support. Will do another IC post soon.

International Waters, Roefian Border

The Centre Force sat still, motionless blocks on the blue ocean. Almost 25 miles ahead was The Aggressive People Of Roef. Since Roef had retreated from Sandi-Maru-Jet, they were on a standdown for a while. Now, it was looking like a full scale invasion was on the cards...

Once again, the Armed Republic of Salzland found itself about to engage in conflict with The Aggressive People of Roef. This time, Air and Naval elements of the Salzland Defense Forces were moving into the area to support operations spearheaded by Ustio North. What had begun as international pressure to force the Roef-ians to back down from invading a neighboring nation had instead turned into a potential full-blown war.

So far, only a handful of Frigates and Destroyers had arrived in the region, ahead of a multi-carrier battle group task force. Basing rights for the Air Force detachment were still being negotiated, so other than a few squadrons of fighters operating with near-continuous tanker support, the SDF Air detachment had not arrived in force yet.

For the time being, Salzland would build up its strength in the region and wait for one side or the other to make the next move.

OOC: Marked for Karshkovia's entry. Roef is on a 24 hour ban, but I will get a post up that he can deal with when he returns.

eek gadz, le highlights they burns.

I haf been summond.

From what i gather, and have agreed this is what transpires between me and roef.

1. I am in a war with him, if i win, a puppet government will be setup in roef, which will make sure roef will not fudge things up. for if he makes a bad war thread and looks like hes going to fuck himself up, i can decalre it void before it starts / make sure none of my/his military involed.

2. If i win, i would be financing his military, where as before he had a measly few billion on his whole army, he could spead that much on each trooper alone.

3. I get tp skip ahead across lines, invade him and kill his president.

any moar questions? if not i shall sleep again.

OOC: I will say the following.

1.) Should you win, expect that you will be ignore-cannoned as soon as it is convenient. It's happened before with Roef/Canedian Army. Every person who has tried to help or invaded and made him a protectorate has been betrayed or blatantly ignored the second he could get away with it. Ex: East Congaree and Uiri, just off the top of my head.

2.) It's your money so you can do what you like with it, but in the event that #1 happens, recognize that in all likelihood he will still keep all of the fancy new toys that you bought for him. Please, for the sake of all of us, be careful with how much money you're willing to part with.

3.) Uh... not really sure how to respond to your point three. Roef's gone through Presidents like they're going out of style... I believe he's had 3-4 in the last month alone. Killing another one isn't going to accomplish anything. But whatever floats your boat.

That's about all I have for now. Busy studying for a quiz and a test, so no in-character stuff.

Edited to add that Roef's on a mandatory 24 hour vacation, so odds are this thread's going to die off anyway.

if he ignores me, then everyone can pretty much inore all his neat toys, he has them on the condition i stay there, and if not i can just detonate the four strategically place mini nukes and wipe the heratics if he becomes one of the face of the map, and then never help him again.

i dont like being backstabed.

why is roef banned for 24 hours?

why is roef banned for 24 hours?

He got involved in a flame war.

The Ekranoplans were first to break the border. They thundered past the fleet, skimming alond the water. They were on the hunt for Roef patrol ships, and were ordered to sink any they found without warning. The four pairs began scouring the ocean, Sunburn Anti-ship missiles at the ready...

ooc: stop the rp, roef shouldnt be allowed to actually do this Rp, for if i won this wouldnt happen ergo void, and we dont know the results yet, so can we stop this RP till my little war is over kplsthx.

OOC: With the greatest of respect Kewen, you stick to your war, and we'll stick to ours. I'm sick of Roef's one-line threads and empty threats, as are many other NS members, and Roef is either going to have to grow up or put up with being smeared by everyone he annoys. I really don't know why you're helping him, as I tried and got nowhere. And i've been reasonable with him in his early days, but that was then and this is now.

EDIT: I knew this post sounded familiar - it's almost a word-for-word copy of a post which (Surprise, Surprise) I posted in another of Roef's threads.

ooc: If you read my post, i said STOP UNTILL MY WAR IS OVER, because by my assumttions and roefs agreement, if i won He would be a puppet of sorts, and if he was this whole thing would of never happened, meaning you wouldnt of decalred war in this thread. so. stop this thread FOR NOW.

ooc NO Kewen you not the OP so stop telling poeple they must stop this war all for your one

ooc: meh, he dosnt have to listen, im just saying my threada has signifigant relevance to this if something happpens, tis just saying this could out of sync roef's timeline of history if i take over, and theres a war and theres no trace of me. someone is kinda out of sync in timeline, so im saying just wait.

ooc he not going to listen to you or any one else in stoppping both so give up

ooc: meh, he dosnt have to listen, im just saying my threada has signifigant relevance to this if something happpens, tis just saying this could out of sync roef's timeline of history if i take over, and theres a war and theres no trace of me. someone is kinda out of sync in timeline, so im saying just wait.

ooc: with all respect due, Kewen, I would suggest that you have no true say in this and in-fact I would like to point that you, yourself have started your war thread with Roef with the exact words:

roef, i know you told me to wait untill after your oil war, but i cant be buggered waiting so im starting it now, theres a thing called fluid time. in this RP im assuming that you had ended your little war come home with or without your oil. and havnt been invaded since. so yes. think of this RP as a few years after your Oil war Kpls thx.(if you ignore this fine, but thats just showing the NS community you cant handle a good RP

So really, you have no high ground to stand on. My personal suggestion is to quietly back out of the thread before you say the wrong thing and upset the folks here and the alliance here decides that instead of (or including) Roef, that you would make a good protectorate....Especially when you insult people by using the KTHXBYE garbage. As a side note: I personal have stayed away from RPing with you based on your treatment of others and use of that childish dismissal, so as a suggestion, you may want to rethink your posts before submitting them.

Now back to the case at hand, we can't be buggered into waiting until you finish up your war with Roef because of actions taken here by Roef that Roef has to answer for. So there is a thing called fluid time in where we are going to RP assuming that you had ended your little war with by winning or not. So yes, please either think of this RP as a few years after your little spat between yourself and Roef where you won, and the alliance of older, stronger nations are going to take you and roef as protectorates (because honestly, your March 2008 nation still has a much weaker military than any of the others in the alliance, including myself) or you can think of this RP where you lost your war and the the alliance of older, stronger nations are going to take just Roef as protectorate, and you can go on your way with your nation intact.

OOC: I would suggest stopping, if only because Roef will not be able to respond until tomorrow because of his 24 hour ban. Otherwise, Kewen's thread should have no impact on this, if only because of flex time.

ooc: meh, he dosnt have to listen, im just saying my threada has signifigant relevance to this if something happpens, tis just saying this could out of sync roef's timeline of history if i take over, and theres a war and theres no trace of me. someone is kinda out of sync in timeline, so im saying just wait.

OOC: Correct me, but wasn't your "War" with Roef meant to be a practice war? So that wouldn't have any effect on Roef's history anyway.

Captain Walker entered the bridge of HMS Vision, the lead carrier in the group. The fleet was still imobile, even though the Ekranoplans and submarines had moved off into Roef-ian waters. He lifted his binoculars to his eyes, scanning the horizon for any Roef-ian ships.

Nothing.

He turned to a sailor stood at the helm of the ship

"Have there been any sightings of Roef ships yet?" he asked him

"No sir" replied the sailor

"Well, keep your eyes peeled for them" Walker told him "We don't want their destroyers getting in close where the battleships can't hit them"

KARSHKOVIAN ORBAT:

Carriers x 2
One (1) Nimitz-Class Aircraft Carrier (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nimitz_class) Yovari
One (1) Kiev-Class Aircraft Carrier (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kiev_class_aircraft_carrier) Minsk

Battleships x 1
One (1) Modified/Modernized Montana-class (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Montana_Class) Guided Missile Dreadnought Freedom

Cruisers x 6
Two (2) Ticonderoga class guided missile cruisers (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ticonderoga_class_cruiser)
Agamemnon Roanoke

Two (2) Kirov class Battlecruisers (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kirov_class_battlecruiser)
Alexander Agrippa

Two (2) Slava class cruisers (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slava_Class)
Juno Churchill


Destroyers x 18
Four (4) Arleigh Burke class guided missile destroyers (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arleigh_Burke_class)
Javelin Archer Olympus Bowen

Four (4) Spruance class destroyers (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spruance_class)
Seifer Persephone Themis Melenaus

One (1) Udaloy-III Heavy-destroyer (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Udaloy_class_destroyer)
Karshenko

Two (2) Udaloy-II destroyers (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Udaloy_class_destroyer)
Odin Sagittarius

Three (3) Kara Class destroyers (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kara_class_cruiser)
Kiara Midvalley Altair

Four (4) Sovremenny class destroyers (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sovremenny_class)
Lesath Ascella Procyon Sirius


Frigates x 20
Six (6) Oliver Hazard Perry class frigates (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oliver_Hazard_Perry_class)
[list] Everest Voralpe Remmel Tafelberg Kenya Pierce

Six (6) Talwar class guided missile frigates (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talwar_class_frigate)
Hyperion Prometheus Lexington Tomakin Proxima Demeter

Eight (8) Krivak-3 class guided missile frigates (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Krivak_class_frigate)
Nova Wright Raphael Farrar Davis Meyers Lamia Moore


Corvettes x 28
Ten (10) - Tarantul class corvettes (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tarantul_class)
Maine
Lejeune
Panther
Guantanamo
Rowell
Carlson
Schilt
Bodley
Schott
Edson


Eight (8) - Pauk class corvettes (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pauk_class_corvette)
Carpentum Ostia Actium Hamilcar Salamis Macedonia Zama Simyra

Eight (8) Grisha IV class ASW corvettes (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grisha_class_corvette)
Bogota Syracuse Deneb Yuma Angeles Pueblo Brisbane Ankara

Two (2) Bora-class hoverborne guided missile corvettes (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bora_class_guided_missile_hovercraft) Sarajevo Chechnya


Submarines x 18
Two (2) Virginia-class attack submarines (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Virginia_class_submarine)
Newcastle Manoora

Two (2) SSN-21 Seawolf-Class attack submarines (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seawolf_class_submarine)
Providence Challenger

Two (2) Project-971A Akula II class attack submarines (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Akula_class_submarine)
Destiny Nostromo

Four (4) Akula I class attack submarines (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Akula_class_submarine)
Caddebostan Illyria Dalmatia Venerable Timberwolf

Two (2) Oscar II-class hunter/killer submarines (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oscar_class_submarine)
Murex Baal

Two (2) Typhoon class Ballistic Missile Submarines (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Typhoon_class)
Formidable Leviathan

Two (2) Delta class Ballistic Missile Submarines (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Delta_class)
Cicero Keyser Söze


Two (2) Project 677 Lada class advanced attack submarines (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lada_class_submarine)
Neco Adonis


Support Ships x 60

Eight (8) Supply class fast combat support ships (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fast_combat_support_ships)
Defender Pathfinder Spirit Morningstar Templar Thunderbird Peerless Crusader

Eight (8) Sacramento Class fast combat support ships (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fast_combat_support_ships)
Ironclad Ballista Wyoming Archon Budapest Sacramento Trafalgar Trebuchet

Twenty-eight (28) Ropucha class landing ships (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ropucha_Class)
Apache Seattle Fearless Norris Jupiter Brazas Merlin Nordhaus Inverness Lakota Koh Maxwell Meer Virgil Centaur Mathias Courageous Minotaur Jarl Vicksburg Antietam Hotspur Bishop Washington Jefferson Rigel Essex Lafayette

Ten (10) Natya-class minesweepers (http://www.janes.com/extracts/extract/juws/juws0579.html)
Sumter Protege Kodiak Benevolence Zephyr Diligent Maryland Sierra Cerberus Vambrace

Two (2) AS-39 Submarine tender ships (http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/systems/ship/as-39.htm)
Kyushu Dublin

Four (4) SSV-33 Kapusta CnC ships (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_command_ship_SSV-33)
Churchill Savior Appalachia Jerusalem

Troops x 350,000
100,000 Regular Karshkovian Army Soldiers
250,000 Support troops (Logistics troops)

Naval Air Force x 615
100 - Sukhoi Su-33 Flanker-D (fighter)
50 - Sukhoi Su-37 Super Flanker (fighter)
30 - Mikoyan MiG-31 Foxhound (interceptor)
100 - Sukhoi Su-24C/D Fencer (attack/Bomber)
20 - Su-25 Frogfoot (attack)
50 - Tupolev Tu-22M3 Backfire-C (MK/MZ) (strategic bomber)
25 - Tupolev Tu-142 Bear-F (long range ASW)
30 - Il-38 May (medium range ASW)
25 - Sukhoi Su-24MR Fencer (reconnaissance)
20 - Mil Mi-24 Hind (attack helicopter)
50 - Mil Mi-8 Hip (transport helicopter)
90 - Kamov Ka-27 Helix (ASW helicopter)
20 - Mil Mi-14 Haze (ASW helicopter/search-and-rescue)
5 - Beriev A-50 Shmel (Airborne Early Warning Radar)

OOC: Forget it, i will ignore the thing until the war with kewen is over.

OOC: Forget it, i will ignore the thing until the war with kewen is over.

OOC: Heh, figures :rolleyes:

OOC: Forget it, i will ignore the thing until the war with kewen is over.

OOC: Wow, I didn't see this one coming... :rolleyes:

OOC: Roef can't handle international pressure that's why and he doesn't have any allies, so he's counting on Kewen to be his ally.

OOC: There's no point in getting banned because of this mor-*ahem* person of differing opinion. When the threat to Greston has subsided, I'll come up with some IC reason to invade Roef.

OOC: Roef can't handle international pressure that's why and he doesn't have many allies, so he's counting on Kewen to be his ally.

OOC: Any mate, not many. I'm not sure whether you've been watching the Roef Vs Kewen war, but Roef is just totally ignoring everything Kewen posts.

OOC: I stand corrected. I've changed it to any instead of many.

OOC: I stand corrected. I've changed it to any instead of many.

OOC: Actually, he must have an ally in the nation of Daranen, because I denied him an embassy on that basis.

OOC: Sure it isn't the same person?

OOC: Hey, nobody better invade this guy without me. Give it a week and I'll have my sailors flicking off his homeland as they watch the cruise missiles land.

ooc: Karshkovia, My handling of people? seriously come on, insulting people with kthcbye garbage? how is that insulting... i dont find it insulting, and if it did insult someone i would stop, unlike you mr high and mighty, i stoop low enough to help the little guy, everyone has given up on roef, EVERYONE but me. go ahead chide me call me names decalre war on me, etc! I dont care, you may think you have the high ground, but when i honestly look at some of you im digusted, you dont wanna help roef correct? ima take that as yes. Roef may/ may not be ignoring my help, but from what i can tell, he is still RPing with me and tiny progress is better then none, and i dont know about you but im actually helping him so if you dont like me, and don RP with me on the basis i help the little guy who is picked on, and chide all the big experianced players because they wont give some poor kid who has little to no experiance a break, then go ahead dont RP with me, i will stick to RPing with guys that arnt total jokes/jerks.


also, you want this to be awhile after my invasion of roef? fine, so your going to take him as a protectorate if you win, and he goes along with it, but im asking are you even going to try helping him? seriously are you? or are you just invading him coz your tired of his childish antics and wanna make him shut up and go away its as simple as that, Are you going to help him, or are you not. are you in this to improve him, or to crush him to pass time.

OOC: He has ignored countless attempts at help. Hell, Lynion has already tried the same thing as you're trying and the result was the same. Sorry to break it to you Kewen, but sometimes a show of force is exactly what a person needs to kick some sense into them.

We all want to help Roef. He just doesn't appear to want to help himself.

ooc: Karshkovia, My handling of people? seriously come on, insulting people with kthcbye garbage? how is that insulting... i dont find it insulting, and if it did insult someone i would stop, unlike you mr high and mighty, i stoop low enough to help the little guy, everyone has given up on roef, EVERYONE but me. go ahead chide me call me names decalre war on me, etc! I dont care, you may think you have the high ground, but when i honestly look at some of you im digusted, you dont wanna help roef correct? ima take that as yes. Roef may/ may not be ignoring my help, but from what i can tell, he is still RPing with me and tiny progress is better then none, and i dont know about you but im actually helping him so if you dont like me, and don RP with me on the basis i help the little guy who is picked on, and chide all the big experianced players because they wont give some poor kid who has little to no experiance a break, then go ahead dont RP with me, i will stick to RPing with guys that arnt total jokes/jerks.


also, you want this to be awhile after my invasion of roef? fine, so your going to take him as a protectorate if you win, and he goes along with it, but im asking are you even going to try helping him? seriously are you? or are you just invading him coz your tired of his childish antics and wanna make him shut up and go away its as simple as that, Are you going to help him, or are you not. are you in this to improve him, or to crush him to pass time.

OOC: In case you hadn't already realised Kewen, we have tried helping him - he doesn't listen. I mean, you're seriously going to help him after his last few posts in Operation Marauder?.

OOC: Sure it isn't the same person?

OOC: Can't be, Daranen's posts are much better spelt and punctuated.

o: im not giving up, till he says in the exact words more or less :stop helping or go away or piss off or etc, anything that involes GO AWAY untill such a time, i will help roef to the best of my ability.

And yes, i did notice you all tried to help him at one point, and i did notice you getting tired of him giving up then changing to trying to wipe him of the face of NS. more or less. then again, i could be wrong

o: im not giving up, till he says in the exact words more or less :stop helping or go away or piss off or etc, anything that involes GO AWAY untill such a time, i will help roef to the best of my ability.

And yes, i did notice you all tried to help him at one point, and i did notice you getting tired of him giving up then changing to trying to wipe him of the face of NS. more or less. then again, i could be wrong

OOC: No, you got it exactly right.

o: im not giving up, till he says in the exact words more or less :stop helping or go away or piss off or etc, anything that involes GO AWAY untill such a time, i will help roef to the best of my ability.

And yes, i did notice you all tried to help him at one point, and i did notice you getting tired of him giving up then changing to trying to wipe him of the face of NS. more or less. then again, i could be wrong

OOC: I won't try to stop you. And btw, the reason we all changed to fighting him was because he can't be reasoned with. We have tried. We have tried again. We have failed, and he has failed.

OOC: Helping? Helping? O, i didnt know, because all you do, it telling me to shut up, yelling you will invade me, and that you tried to help; NOT... Or, i dont think so. Kewen is helping, asking nicely if i want a war to show others some stuff, that sort of it. THATS helping.

OOC: Helping? Helping? O, i didnt know, because all you do, it telling me to shut up, yelling you will invade me, and that you tried to help; NOT... Or, i dont think so. Kewen is helping, asking nicely if i want a war to show others some stuff, that sort of it. THATS helping.

OOC: That stuff came after we gave up helping you.

ooc: Okay, if you guys have given up, then go away and leave him alone till your ready to try again, I on the other hadn am going to help him till he tells me to piss off.

have you considered why he wasnt being reasonable, would you be reasonable if someone was like

Example person A : Hey Mr X ! YOu suck , this threads teh shit, FIX IT THSI WAY OR STOP MAKING THEM, etc on and on.

maybe, if you tried nicely(which you did at first no doubt) and not hassled him though everythread, but let them die peacefully and TG'd him, setup extrathreads or stuff then he might of listened, I know if someone was like that to me i wouldnt listen.

OOC: Don't act like this is news to you. Several RPers here have bent over backwards to help you and all you do is whine and flame people who criticize you. If people weren't interested in helping you nobodu would take part in your one line threads (which are barely readable anyway). The problem lies solely with you. I normally disdain IC wars for OOC reasons, but in your case I may even help.

OOC: Helping? Helping? O, i didnt know, because all you do, it telling me to shut up, yelling you will invade me, and that you tried to help; NOT... Or, i dont think so. Kewen is helping, asking nicely if i want a war to show others some stuff, that sort of it. THATS helping.

OOC: Ha! And what do you call the scores of people helping you with you designs? Or Lynion and others trying to help you with your RPing? Or everyone constantly trying to help your writing style? What do you call that, Roef?

ooc: you helped him, ill admit it, but he didnt listen ill admit that, so if hes not listening and your not helping you could just leave him you know... and he is learning, i've seen him around NS draft room, after he took your advice to go there, and from what i've seen, he has been improving.

my solution in all of this. ify ou dont like roef, and dont wanna help him any more, leave him alone till you feel he is good enough to warrent your presense in his thread, and you feel like you wanna help the guy.

OOC: Yea, i agree to Kewen. if you dont like me, just leave me alone. And to Leistung:
My designes, that was helping, but the ones hlped me there, didnt agreed to attack me.
Lynion with helping me RP? Just not true, they just wanted me to die, and to kill all civilians. And with my writing, thank you for that, but msot people dont. If you do, i thank you for it.

OOC: Don't act like this is news to you. Several RPers here have bent over backwards to help you and all you do is whine and flame people who criticize you. If people weren't interested in helping you nobodu would take part in your one line threads (which are barely readable anyway). The problem lies solely with you. I normally disdain IC wars for OOC reasons, but in your case I may even help.

OOC: Indeed. For example, here:

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=14022742&postcount=98

Here:

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=14083957&postcount=23

Not only that, but as I mentioned in the Bothering Roef 2 thread, he attempted to threaten me with getting the mob on me after I critisied his tank design.

ooc: you helped him, ill admit it, but he didnt listen ill admit that, so if hes not listening and your not helping you could just leave him you know... and he is learning, i've seen him around NS draft room, after he took your advice to go there, and from what i've seen, he has been improving.

my solution in all of this. ify ou dont like roef, and dont wanna help him any more, leave him alone till you feel he is good enough to warrent your presense in his thread, and you feel like you wanna help the guy.

OOC: The issue is that he's been around for months and hasn't improved one iota in my eyes. Now, people accept that newbs will be newbs for the first two or three months, but by this point, we've reached the end of our ropes.

If we ignore him, we condone this sort of behavior, and unfortunately that isn't something I can do.

OOC: No, i didnt even said something to you, only to budda C or something. I was going to get the mob on him yes, but not for a tank design from a month ago.

ooc: well invading him and beating the living fudge out of him ICly will do nothing. you hear me? abosolutly.friggin.nothing. Not a single thing, if Roef is as bad as you say he is, any thread you start with him will be filled with rampant godmoding, and if you look at my thread with him, you will see barely any godmoding on him part, a great improvment from his previous RP's not to mention it is getting more legible.

and its making some sense, although his tactical directions couldnt be much worse.

OOC: No, i didnt even said something to you, only to budda C or something. I was going to get the mob on him yes, but not for a tank design from a month ago.

OOC: Oh, so that makes it alright does it?

ooc: also, if anyone cares to notice, he actually is listening to me each post he is getting better, he is now somewhat cleary stating what he is shooting at with something, although he now needs to tell me the specifics of what that something is, i is an improvment.


p.s excuse any poor spelling tonight, its 3:05am here, and im dead tired.

Salzland ORBAT (For a No-Fly Zone only, at this time)

Naval Detachment

Gerald R. Ford-Class Aircraft Carriers: 6 (SDFS Dauntless, Defiant, Intrepid, Liberator, Victorious and Resolute)
Carrier Air Groups: 6 (one per carrier, see Wikipedia for composition)
Modernized Iowa Class Nuclear-Powered Battleship: 18 (3 per battle group)
Emperor-Class Battlecruisers: 24 (4 per battle group)
Manticore-Class Cruisers: 24 (4 per battle group)
Ticonderoga-Class Cruisers: 24 (4 per battle group)
Arleigh Burke-Class Destroyers: 36 (6 per group)
Oliver Hazard Perry-Class Frigates: 60 (10 per group)
USS Virginia-Class SSN: 24 (4 per group)
Supply-Class T-AOE Combat Logistics vessels: 60 (10 per group)

Air Detachment

12 F-22 Air Superiority Wings (72 fighters/wing)
3 F-15C Air Superiority Wings (72 fighters/wing)
7 F-15E Ground Attack Wings (72 fighters/wing)
4 A-10 Thunderbolt II Ground Attack Wing (72 aircraft/wing)
3 Squadrons of B-2 Spirits (16 bombers/squadron)
2 Squadron of B-1 Lancers (16 bombers/squadron)
2 Squadron of B-52 Bombers (16 bombers/squadron)
2 Wings of KC-135 Tankers (60 aircraft/wing)
Various C-130 and C-17 Transports

ok, enough with the ooc junk, isnt it clear roef has pretty much ignore bombed the IC portion of this thread, so people you can stop worrying about Orbats.

OOC: Until it's announced that this thread is over and the Coalition nations give up the proposed No-Fly Zone, thank you very much but I will be submitting an ORBAT and deploying forces to the region to support my allies.

ooc: I see the sense in that, but also can you see theres no point in doing alot of semi-hard work of some good RPing if hes not going to acknlodge there existance? meh go ahead with if you want, im just trying to save your time.

OOC: There's a reason why I created an MS Word document with pre-assembled ORBATs. 5 seconds of cut-and-paste, and if things fall through then oh well.

ooc: I see the sense in that, but also can you see theres no point in doing alot of semi-hard work of some good RPing if hes not going to acknlodge there existance? meh go ahead with if you want, im just trying to save your time.

OOC: He doesn't have to acknowledge, in the same sense that I don't have to acknowledge his existance. But the fact remains, we're still going to be there, shooting down his planes when they try and leave.

ooc: and hes going to see his planes still flying away.

Kewen, do you how stupid you are making your self look right now? In my eyes, and these eyes have seen a lot of crap happen on NS, he has not changed a bit. His tank designs did go from a pile of rubbish to something formidable but that was with people giving him all of the answers. He didn't do any of it. Quite frankly I'd love to help Roef become much better than he is now because I know damn well I was just as newbish and stupid, if not worse, at his age too. You just need to cool down mad. Believe it or not, Lei, Ustio, Lynion and the rest have helped much more and you are simply teaching him how to argue an incorrect point with people who know better than you.

OOC: There's a reason why I created an MS Word document with pre-assembled ORBATs. 5 seconds of cut-and-paste, and if things fall through then oh well.

ooc hope you back that onto a disk,as it bitch it you have to delete your drive like i had to,just to get it working again

all that work gone :(

ooc: and hes going to see his planes still flying away.

OOC: Oh yes? and how is he going to get past something in the range of over 200 aircraft, plus naval anti-aircraft defences, who are enforcing the blockade?

Also, Imperial expect to be flamed by Roef for posting in Operation Marauder.

ooc hope you back that onto a disk,as it bitch it you have to delete your drive like i had to,just to get it working again

all that work gone :(

OOC: From all of the deployments on here, just about all of it's already posted on here, so all I have to do is go into my post archives and dig 'em out. Besides, it's just a template (basically), where I plug in the number of carrier battle groups, fighter wings, ground divisions etc. that I want to use, and build the rest of the force around that.

OOC: From all of the deployments on here, just about all of it's already posted on here, so all I have to do is go into my post archives and dig 'em out. Besides, it's just a template (basically), where I plug in the number of carrier battle groups, fighter wings, ground divisions etc. that I want to use, and build the rest of the force around that.

ooc i hate you :tongue:
luckly i have someone of my stuff posted here too,just it's not up to date or i have to dig deep to find it

ooc: imp, he will se his planes flying away if he dosnt see them planes existing to stop him

New greston, He has changed, aye maybe he got others to make his tank for him, but if you look that means hes listening, that means he was reasonable enough to let people with experiance help him.

if you would love to help him, them help him, and for the help everyone else has given him? going from all of your own points he hasnt listened to any of them, so i dont see how they could of helped, given good to great advice yes completly possible my advice may not be the best, but it is advice and at the moment im the only one i see helping him.

also arguing a useless point? im trying to teach him how to godam RP properly. please point out where i have taught him how to argue.

going from all of your own points he hasnt listened to any of them

OOC: Now do you see why we're sick of him?

Man what the hell do you think you are doing right now? Both you and Roef know that are arguements are true and that they have the right to attack. This is almost like being a sore loser. You're acting like his mother when Roef got sent to the principal. You can't blame us for giving up because when we try what we get in return is a poorly written complaint or a flame. It is almost laughable how wrong you are about us, we aren't half as horrible OOCly as your portray. But I digress, why should I be wasting my time argueing with one adult newb standing up for his little nine year old newb.

OOC: Roef can't handle international pressure that's why and he doesn't have any allies, so he's counting on Kewen to be his ally.

Sorry, I had to force myself to stop laughing before I could post.

Did i ever say your arguements are false( i probably did to a few)
and yes, he is a newb, yes he sucks at RPing, yes if given the chance and i wasnt who i am i would love to crush him to.

Im not blaming you for giving up, if thats what it sounds like. Im blaming you for trying to flatten him into a pulp which will do nothing because you have given up and he refuses to listen.

and oocly, you guys are all probaly nice guys, and gals depending idk. but, to him you are acting badly, and yes he does deserve some of it,but if you hate him that much then stop dealing with him, and let people who tolerate him bring him up to your levels then you can deal with him which is what i have been trying to put across.

Think of it like prision,
All of you guys would be the nice surburban people, when he breaks the law(sucks at RPing) you send him to juvie, which is equivilant to poking around his threads and pressing the point, when that failed you sent him to prison which was lynion and all that, who setup threads and such, and when that failed, most of the world gave up hope. so you sent him to a maximun security prison aka me. Im not going to give up hope, so think of it as a life sentance with no parole so the only way hes getting out is by suiciding( aka telling me to go away) then i will stop helping.

eek... thats a horrible anagram but im tired, im cranky and i need my nap.
also, I am not a newb! I am just not as awesome as all of you.

Did i ever say your arguements are false( i probably did to a few)
and yes, he is a newb, yes he sucks at RPing, yes if given the chance and i wasnt who i am i would love to crush him to.

Im not blaming you for giving up, if thats what it sounds like. Im blaming you for trying to flatten him into a pulp which will do nothing because you have given up and he refuses to listen.

and oocly, you guys are all probaly nice guys, and gals depending idk. but, to him you are acting badly, and yes he does deserve some of it,but if you hate him that much then stop dealing with him, and let people who tolerate him bring him up to your levels then you can deal with him which is what i have been trying to put across.

Think of it like prision,
All of you guys would be the nice surburban people, when he breaks the law(sucks at RPing) you send him to juvie, which is equivilant to poking around his threads and pressing the point, when that failed you sent him to prison which was lynion and all that, who setup threads and such, and when that failed, most of the world gave up hope. so you sent him to a maximun security prison aka me. Im not going to give up hope, so think of it as a life sentance with no parole so the only way hes getting out is by suiciding( aka telling me to go away) then i will stop helping.

eek... thats a horrible anagram but im tired, im cranky and i need my nap.
also, I am not a newb! I am just not as awesome as all of you.

OOC: Ah, you sound like me talking to/about Roef some time ago - and look where I am now because of Roef.

also, can i point out one tiny little fact in this ltle RP
Why are you blockading him? if you read his first post it said:

Since SMJ attacked Roef a few days ago, Roef attacks back.

Now to me, that seems like a fair go you know, it attacked him he attacks back, sorry if this point has been brought up before i just noticed.

anyhow folks, im going to bed ill be back to post later, after i have a few nights sleep.

just a few quick comments

Kharkova(real sorry if i spelt your name wrong i am really tired) I personally have nothing agaisnt you, and i found your thread "into the unknown" to be pure awesomeness, and i hope(this also goes for everyone) if this roef buiness ever goes past we can actually RP togethor when a situation arises, as something i have to admit, i tend t ocall people out on there faults alot, and fail to look at what good that did so if it seems i am personally calling you people out, im not, im just trying to point something out.

also, can i point out one tiny little fact in this ltle RP
Why are you blockading him? if you read his first post it said:

Since SMJ attacked Roef a few days ago, Roef attacks back.

Now to me, that seems like a fair go you know, it attacked him he attacks back, sorry if this point has been brought up before i just noticed.

OOC: But that's a contradiction to the title, which says "Roef Attacks Sandi-Maru-Jet". SMJ doesn't exist, it was just a made-up nation so that Roef could start yet another war. Did you see how the "Oil Claimed In Roef Lands[WAR]" thread ended?

Well, it was something along the lines of Roef ignoring the thread because Salzland, myself and a couple other nations decided to take him up on his offer of war and fight him for the oil.

anyhow folks, im going to bed ill be back to post later, after i have a few nights sleep.

just a few quick comments

Kharkova(real sorry if i spelt your name wrong i am really tired) I personally have nothing agaisnt you, and i found your thread "into the unknown" to be pure awesomeness, and i hope(this also goes for everyone) if this roef buiness ever goes past we can actually RP togethor when a situation arises, as something i have to admit, i tend t ocall people out on there faults alot, and fail to look at what good that did so if it seems i am personally calling you people out, im not, im just trying to point something out.

OOC: As with me, I have nothing against you personally - I just think you're bonkers for trying to help Roef, where so many others have failed.

ah yes, his excuse for a war, but did you think, maybe he was trying to get someone on HIS side? considering he was attacked first.
he probably wasnt expecting the world to jump on the agressors side from a IC point of view, when OOCly he is the agressor, but OOC and IC arent supposed to get mixed.

ah yes, his excuse for a war, but did you think, maybe he was trying to get someone on HIS side? considering he was attacked first.
he probably wasnt expecting the world to jump on the agressors side from a IC point of view, when OOCly he is the agressor, but OOC and IC arent supposed to get mixed.

OOC: That's the main problem. Anyone who saw that thread instantly turned against him.

OOC: Whoops, I've been gone and missed all the good rebuttals...damn it...

Alright, here's the deal--eventually someone a lot nastier than any of us is going to get pissed with Roef and splatter him against the wall. There will be nothing you can say to avoid it, Kewen. Only Roef can avoid it by learning himself that perhaps he does need some work, and by working on it by himself. Until that time, I will continue to OOCly strongly dislike him, and ICly consider him an enemy of Leistung.

OOC: Whoops, I've been gone and missed all the good rebuttals...damn it...

Alright, here's the deal--eventually someone a lot nastier than any of us is going to get pissed with Roef and splatter him against the wall. There will be nothing you can say to avoid it, Kewen. Only Roef can avoid it by learning himself that perhaps he does need some work, and by working on it by himself. Until that time, I will continue to OOCly strongly dislike him, and ICly consider him an enemy of Leistung.

OOC: Yes, I'd go along with that too. As far as this thread is concerned, Roef probably won't come back for fear of being minced. I'll gracefully back out of this thread - for the time being - untill such time that Roef grows up and faces the consequences of what he posts.

For those who I was helping with the blockade - my forces will remain on the border and I will RP their movements and attacks/defences, but i'm now going to move on and work on a RP about my history, somewhere in the 1940's.

OOC: Now, about that not turning up, your wrong. What blockade?
Only that first one? The one i igonred? From ursava or something?

OOC: I'm going to start up an RP about my history in the 1800's

ooc: Karshkovia, My handling of people? seriously come on, insulting people with kthcbye garbage? how is that insulting... i dont find it insulting, and if it did insult someone i would stop unlike you mr high and mighty, i stoop low enough to help the little guy, everyone has given up on roef, EVERYONE but me. go ahead chide me call me names decalre war on me, etc! I dont care, you may think you have the high ground, but when i honestly look at some of you im digusted, you dont wanna help roef correct? ima take that as yes. Roef may/ may not be ignoring my help, but from what i can tell, he is still RPing with me and tiny progress is better then none, and i dont know about you but im actually helping him so if you dont like me, and don RP with me on the basis i help the little guy who is picked on, and chide all the big experianced players because they wont give some poor kid who has little to no experiance a break, then go ahead dont RP with me, i will stick to RPing with guys that arnt total jokes/jerks. also, you want this to be awhile after my invasion of roef? fine, so your going to take him as a protectorate if you win, and he goes along with it, but im asking are you even going to try helping him? seriously are you? or are you just invading him coz your tired of his childish antics and wanna make him shut up and go away its as simple as that, Are you going to help him, or are you not. are you in this to improve him, or to crush him to pass time.

You'll learn. Why do you think that the older 2003-2006 nations that are still active do not mingle with any nation less than a year or so old? Because it usually takes a maturity of learning the RP before they are willing to put their time into it. Most of us that have been around for nearly a year or more have gone through this at least once a month and we don't have a lot of time for it anymore. That's why you see introductions to nation threads that hardly anyone ever responds to, or nations with less than a 100 post count being fairly ignored by the community at large. People that play nations like Roef litterally flow through this website like muddy water. Every one in a while you will catch some good RPers like Ustio, Pan-Arab Barronia, Soviet Aissur, Ralkovia, Oseato, Belschaft, Alfegos or Stoklomolvi just to name a few. And you really can tell almost immediately who is someone to RP with and will be around for a while and who (like Roef) isn't worth responding to and will either just RP with themselves or go away.


Kewen, just do me a favor and do a search for the name "Doublewidesville"


Roef, as far as I am concerned, your on the ignore list.

ooc i just did a search for that name and only just got your post Karshkovia

You'll learn. Why do you think that the older 2003-2006 nations that are still active do not mingle with any nation less than a year or so old? Because it usually takes a maturity of learning the RP before they are willing to put their time into it. Most of us that have been around for nearly a year or more have gone through this at least once a month and we don't have a lot of time for it anymore. That's why you see introductions to nation threads that hardly anyone ever responds to, or nations with less than a 100 post count being fairly ignored by the community at large. People that play nations like Roef litterally flow through this website like muddy water. Every one in a while you will catch some good RPers like Ustio, Pan-Arab Barronia, Soviet Aissur, Ralkovia, Oseato, Belschaft, Alfegos or Stoklomolvi just to name a few. And you really can tell almost immediately who is someone to RP with and will be around for a while and who (like Roef) isn't worth responding to and will either just RP with themselves or go away.


Kewen, just do me a favor and do a search for the name "Doublewidesville"


Roef, as far as I am concerned, your on the ignore list.

OOC: Bolded part isn't true in my case. I'll RP with whomever, no matter their nation's age. Hell, I was hoping Roef could have gotten in on my nuclear weapons thread that's currently ongoing. Him joining someone else's character RP might be just the thing to teach him to be a better RPer.

To Roef: Once my current nuclear weapons thread plays out, I might have a similar one (may not be nukes, though). I'll TG you when it's about to start.

ooc: sorry..added the s


Try Doublewideville


Trust me...Roef = Doublewideville

OOC: At least DWV had a spellchecker...

OOC: At least DWV had a spellchecker...

You are right....DWV wasn't as bad as Roef.

This thread got more attention than some superbly written RPs with less than half of its views. Guess that writing a 25-line long reply or reading a 100+ pages equivalent thread isn't for everyone or everyday.

*Edit: When I had Roef's age, I used to spend most of my time hanging on with my friends in school and in their homes or my home to play, like most kids. I only got Internet access when I was 14. Times are really changing... :headdesk:

OOC: Now, about that not turning up, your wrong. What blockade?
Only that first one? The one i igonred? From ursava or something?

OOC: *Sigh* Read back a few pages Roef, you'll see that me, Karshkovia, Salzland and possibly Leistung are blockading you now.

OOC: Why don't you invade him?

OOC: Why don't you invade him?

OOC: Truthfully? I cannot be bothered - he'll probably pull a CA, fire millions of non-existant nukes and run off.

ooc not worth it

OOC: Fair enough, just asking.

OOC: Fair enough, just asking.

OOC: What really gets me is that although we call him a newb, he's not. He's got 500+ posts under his belt and he's still terribly bad at taking advice.

OOC: Ustio North, Roef might not be great as in absorbing/taking the advice in like they need to.

OOC: No, i think lynion is right. Now, what we could do, is just shut up about me, and talk to me when you think i am "good enough" for your "highly" leadership.

OOC: Roef, why don't you do an RP and take it all the way through instead of making stupid ones and stopping them before it even starts?

OOC: Ah, because everybody says it is dumb and stupid after the first post. Thats why.

OOC: Actually, you make some really good threads. People don't think its dumb or stupid, they just have a bit of a hard time understanding everything. When you start a new thread, you can include 'OOC' notes as well.

EG: (Could've gone in your first post) OOC: SMJ is a country that doesn't exist but is more of a (insert description of the nation and what it does).

Everyone uses OOC notes, its simple and it can really help moving the thread along.

Meh. he did this one explain why he was invading SMJ, and yet everyoen still invaded him, and flocked to SMJ a fake countries defense, lynion whats that say? when SMJ ICly is the agressor and everyone defends SMJ

OOC: Kewen, it means nations are finding excuses to invade Roef and thus they'll use anything they can to invade Roef. This is because people won't give patience towards Roef because of what he did earlier and I don't even know what it was. So, when people say: "Leave the poor bloke alone," people will get more interested with their evil thoughts and thus, they'll contiune pervoking Roef. However, without the words being said, people will still flock to give Roef crap.

Thus it leads to conclusion, in order for Roef to have the international community thrown off its back, Roef must do something heroic thus everyone will forget about his past when the heroics happen. This will either throw everyone off Roef's back or alot of people will start to leave him alone.

Suggestion: Roef, start up an embassy program if you haven't got one and gain some allies in order to avoid invasions which you cannot rightfully ignore so long as the invasion is an IC reason not an OOC reason. If its an OOC reason, then you have the right to use the Ignore Cannon. Remember, everyone needs an IC reason to invade the other guy and not an OOC reason. If someone invades you or threatens you, ask for an IC reason because you have a right to a IC reason.

He has an embassy program...

Roef, start up an embassy program if you haven't got one and gain some allies in order to avoid pointless invasions which you can rightfully ignore so long as the invasion is an IC reason not an OOC reason. If its an OOC reason, then you have the right to use the Ignore Cannon.

Do you mean 'cannot rightfully ignore'??

OOC: I stand corrected and I've edited the post.

TO: (Open Transmission)
FROM: Vamperial Kingdom of Lynion, High King Vamp

The blockard or invasion is a pathetic excuse just to turn Roef into a state of your nation. I've got nothing against the blockarders or invaders nor do I wish to start a war with anyone. However, because of this, Lynion is going to turn a blind eye to whatever Roef did to tick off Lynion and we'll allow refugees to enter our country.

Your reason for the invasion or blockard is just as low as an ant. You start the blockard or invasion simply because Roef defends its lands from Sandi-Maru-Jet who pervoked Roef by attacking Roef first. Tell me leaders of this fair world, what would others think about your actions? We may not be perfect and I know I'm not, but your reason is just pathetic.

I am willing to stand corrected if and only if the Coalition Forces gives the world a strong and firm reason why they are stagging the blockard or invasion. I will not accept any sorts of reason that states Roef attacked SMJ first because its clearly seen, stated and heard that Roef Forces were pervoked.

Remember, I have no interests in starting a war with anyone. I'm just pointing out some facts to the world leaders.


OOC:

Seriously guys, this IC reason isn't strong, firm or have any support. The blockarders or the invaders are simply using this thread as an excuse to invade Roef.

Attention Roef: Roef now has the right to use the Ignore Cannon and close this thread. Why do you ask? The blockarders or the invaders are using a pathetic excuse to be honest.

IC Reason: Hey guys, guess what? Roef was pervoked by some nation he made up on the spot. Duh! We'll side with SMJ because they pervoked Roef and hell, we don't like the guy OOCly. We'll get four bigger nations than him and beat the living daylights out of him for no IC reason. Com'n guys, let's go beat Roef and then lets turn on SMJ so we can gain more lands.

Real Reason:

OOC Form reason
Reason: They don't like the guy because they have something against Roef in OOC form. Sure, the bloke needs some help with his grammar, his spelling in some points and lets not forget English is his second language (I heard he was Dutch first and English second I think). This guy has improved and no-one can deny the fact. Ok, he has a long way to go but he's getting there and his storefront was getting better, what happened to that anyway?

I feel this is being read by the blind but really, can you just leave the poor guy alone or do I need to spell everything out just to get it into your skulls. If we help this guy, he might have some really cracking ideas of threads and he has. I like the idea behind the oil war (didn't join because B.C. might come along and try and get every ounce of the oil) and the land grabbing thread which sounded very good. What Roef needs and what everyone needed when we were all new to RPing is support! Give him support guys just like Kewen even if its just a positive comment from time to time which Roef really require.

OOC:

Seriously guys, this IC reason isn't strong, firm or have any support. The blockarders or the invaders are simply using this thread as an excuse to invade Roef.

Attention Roef: Roef now has the right to use the Ignore Cannon and close this thread. Why do you ask? The blockarders or the invaders are using a pathetic excuse to be honest.

IC Reason: Hey guys, guess what? Roef was pervoked by some nation he made up on the spot. Duh! We'll side with SMJ because they pervoked Roef and hell, we don't like the guy OOCly. We'll get four bigger nations than him and beat the living daylights out of him for no IC reason. Com'n guys, let's go beat Roef and then lets turn on SMJ so we can gain more lands.

Real Reason:

OOC Form reason
Reason: They don't like the guy because they have something against Roef in OOC form. Sure, the bloke needs some help with his grammar, his spelling in some points and lets not forget English is his second language (I heard he was Dutch first and English second I think). This guy has improved and no-one can deny the fact. Ok, he has a long way to go but he's getting there and his storefront was getting better, what happened to that anyway?

I feel this is being read by the blind but really, can you just leave the poor guy alone or do I need to spell everything out just to get it into your skulls. If we help this guy, he might have some really cracking ideas of threads and he has. I like the idea behind the oil war (didn't join because B.C. might come along and try and get every ounce of the oil) and the land grabbing thread which sounded very good. What Roef needs and what everyone needed when we were all new to RPing is support! Give him support guys just like Kewen even if its just a positive comment from time to time which Roef really require.

OOC: I don't really see much point in this thread anymore - much like I do most other of Roef's threads, as they generally all end up this way.

Roef won't be getting any positive comments from me untill he actually does something to merit such a comment, starting with not making threads where we can critisize him (no-one else does it), flaming people who give him advice, running away every time someone declares war on him - even when that was what he wanted - and throwing his less-than-considerable weight around like he owns the place.

So, to clarify here's a list of things you should do Roef:

Don't Flame People - Ever!
Don't Make Any More Threads About Bothering You
Don't Run Off When Someone Declares War On You - Stand Up And Face The Consequences
Stop Throwing Your Less-Than-Considerable Weight Around - You Don't Have The Military Power To Back It Up When You're Talking With Myself, Greston etc
As A Follow Up To No.4, Don't Go Around Declaring War On New Nations Either - I Will Be One Of The Many Prepared To Stop You

OOC: I would like to question 5 just this once. How many nations has Roef declared war on and are they real or fake? Fake as in what he's done with SMJ.

mostwere fake i think, or were with random NS nations who never saw this forum before.

OOC: I would like to question 5 just this once. How many nations has Roef declared war on and are they real or fake? Fake as in what he's done with SMJ.

OOC: None, it was just a warning. Though he has threatened to attack several larger nations over the course of his other threads.

OOC: Yea, nice to talk about me, isnt it?

OOC: This topic has no use so I'll ask a mod to lock it. There isn't any more RPing and it is just a bitch at Roef topic which, sadly, is common because of his skills and attitude.

OOC: Your right, why cant we continue this "conversation" in Bothering Roef 2?

OOC: My nation regards Roef as a hostile, aggressive nation in-character, based on the number of wars initiated, including one against myself, after completely ignoring any diplomatic solutions. I am not blockading or invading, nor do I understand why I've been lumped in with the nations who are. My sole purpose in deploying armed forces to this region has been and remains to prevent the Roef-ian armed forces from leaving their nation to conduct further international wars of foreign aggression. Whatever his troops do in his country is none of my business, In-Character. Whatever his civillian vessels do, domestically or abroad, is their business, In-Character. However, In-Character, at this time Salzland believes that any foreign deployments of Roef troops are a threat to international peace and stability.

Seriously, I would suggest that Roef just take a few days without posting new war threads, and look around to see how other people do it. See how to develop an adequate Causus Belli (sure I mis-spelled it) or justification for war, look at other war threads that other RP-ers consider to be "done properly," and imitate them. Then invest the time to make a war thread that's more than a couple of sentences, adequately describes the factions involved (In-Character I have no idea who SMJ is, but as my foreign policy towards Roef is to prevent their military from campaigns of aggression I have no choice but to deploy in their support), and lays out the rational for war.

I personally guarantee that a war thread laid out in such a manner will be 1,000% more successful than the status quo.

OOC: Your right, why cant we continue this "conversation" in Bothering Roef 2?

OOC: Something to do with you being banned for instigating a flame war, perhaps?

Seriously, I would suggest that Roef just take a few days without posting new war threads, and look around to see how other people do it. See how to develop an adequate Causus Belli (sure I mis-spelled it) or justification for war, look at other war threads that other RP-ers consider to be "done properly," and imitate them. Then invest the time to make a war thread that's more than a couple of sentences, adequately describes the factions involved (In-Character I have no idea who SMJ is, but as my foreign policy towards Roef is to prevent their military from campaigns of aggression I have no choice but to deploy in their support), and lays out the rational for war.

I personally guarantee that a war thread laid out in such a manner will be 1,000% more successful than the status quo.

1. I heartily back this sentiment, though I believe that Roef should wait at least two weeks before doing another war thread.

2. I also advise Roef to get spellcheck (download Firefox or else write your posts in MSWord) so that we can better understand what he's saying. It's also been proven through a study that those who spell better are seen as better, generally.

3. Cassus Belli is I believe the spelling. I may have got it wrong though...

OOC: My nation regards Roef as a hostile, aggressive nation in-character, based on the number of wars initiated, including one against myself, after completely ignoring any diplomatic solutions. I am not blockading or invading, nor do I understand why I've been lumped in with the nations who are. My sole purpose in deploying armed forces to this region has been and remains to prevent the Roef-ian armed forces from leaving their nation to conduct further international wars of foreign aggression. Whatever his troops do in his country is none of my business, In-Character. Whatever his civillian vessels do, domestically or abroad, is their business, In-Character. However, In-Character, at this time Salzland believes that any foreign deployments of Roef troops are a threat to international peace and stability.


OOC: Is this not the point of a blockade?

OOC: Is this not the point of a blockade?

OOC: Yes. And btw, a quote box counts as 5 lines of a signature, so you're over the 8-line limit.

I like to see how you all get upset and angry. No, its a joke... Just, i like to make these threads.

Proof enough that your RP style is simply trolling. Thread closed.