NationStates Jolt Archive

OOC: Before anyone jumps on my case, this thread was created at Roef's request, as a direct continuation of this thread (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=566263)

IC:

On September 17th, the news that the nation of Roef seized the uninhabited territory of Great Hanika, located less than five hundred miles off the coast of Salzland, caught most of the Salzland Government by total surprise. The land mass, roughly the size of Greenland, could almost be called a continent onto itself. Now it was occupied by over three hundred thousand soldiers from Roef, a nation which Salzland viewed as unfriendly at best. With such a large deployment of troops from an imperialist regime stationed so close to Salzland, the Government of Salzland first took steps to petition the Roef-ian military to depart. That was responded to with an additional deployment of soldiers to Great Hanika.

Feeling that its hands were tied, the Armed Republic had no choice but to declare a state of war between itself and Roef, deploying a large force to eject the Roef-ian military from the territory. Already the first shots had been fired, as a handful of Salzland Virginia-Class submarines launched a missile attack on the convoy bringing Roef reinforcements to the territory. Now both sides were sizing each other up, re-arming and preparing for the next phase of the conflict. Only one nation could take possession of Great Hanika, and it was too late for either country to back down. The matter would only be settled one way; through war.

Salzland ORBAT

Naval Detachment

Gerald R. Ford-Class Aircraft Carriers: 6 (SDFS Dauntless, Defiant, Intrepid, Liberator, Victorious and Resolute)
Carrier Air Groups: 6 (one per carrier, see Wikipedia for composition (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carrier_air_wing))
Modernized Iowa Class Nuclear-Powered Battleship: 18 (3 per battle group)
Ticonderoga-Class Cruisers: 24 (4 per battle group)
Arleigh Burke-Class Destroyers: 36 (6 per group)
Oliver Hazard Perry-Class Frigates: 60 (10 per group)
USS Virginia-Class SSN: 24 (4 per group)
Supply-Class T-AOE Combat Logistics vessels: 18 (3 per group)

Air Detachment

12 F-22 Air Superiority Wings (72 fighters/wing)
3 F-15C Air Superiority Wings (72 fighters/wing)
7 F-15E Ground Attack Wings (72 fighters/wing)
4 A-10 Thunderbolt II Ground Attack Wing (72 aircraft/wing)
3 Squadrons of B-2 Spirits (16 bombers/squadron)
2 Squadron of B-1 Lancers (16 bombers/squadron)
2 Squadron of B-52 Bombers (16 bombers/squadron)
2 Wings of KC-135 Tankers (60 aircraft/wing)

500 AH-64D Apache Gunships
1050 OH-58D Kiowa Scout helicopters
600 UH-60 Blackhawks

Various C-130 and C-17 transport aircraft

Ground Detachment (Not yet deployed to Great Hanika)*

30 Divisions of Salzland Defense Force Marines (10,000 men/division)
-20 Mechanized Infantry Divisions
-10 Armored Divisions

Organized into 3 Corps (2-4th Corps) each of 10 Divisions

Mech. Infantry Division:
-160 M1A2 Tanks
-200 M2A3 Bradley APCs
-30 M-109 Paladin Self-Propelled guns
-10 M-270 MLRS
(4,000) Armored + Maintenance personnel
(6,000) Combat Infantry

Armored Division:
-320 M1A2 Tanks
-300 M2A3 Bradley APCs-50 M-109 Paladin Self-Propelled guns
-25 M-270 MLRS
(5,500) Armored + Maintenance personnel
(4,500) Combat Infantry

Totals:
6,400 M1A2 Tanks
7,000 M2A3 Bradley APCs
1,100 M-109 Paladin Self-Propelled guns
450 M-270 MLRS
135,000 Armored + Maintenance personnel
165,000 Combat Infantry
*Ground totals excluding Air Defense battalions, unit transportation (humm-vees, trucks, etc.), logistics assets, organic units to the divisions.

Strategic and Tactical Missile Defenses in Theater

600 Falkasian BI-4 Missile Defense satellites
450 Falkasian BI-3 Missile Defense satellites
500 LIM-49 Spartan Block II Anti-Ballistic Missiles
700 Sprint Block II Anti-Ballistic Missiles
20 Patriot PAC-3 sites
45 MEADS sites
Various SAM sites, Ticonderoga and Arleigh Burke vessels, etc.

OOC: Still, i wanted oil.

IC:

ORBAT of Roef:


Naval Detachment

6 aircraft carriers
27 battleships
Cruisers: 24 cruisers
Destroyers: 17 destoryers

Air Detachment

15 f-35's
12 f-22's
5 f-15's
41 stealth bombers



Ground Detachment: (already in Great Hanika)

-10 extra divisions (for everything, but not so good)
-20 heavy armed divisions
-10 Armored Divisions

Tanks:

200 MBT-11 tanks
12 m1 abrams


Armored Division:
-100 MBT-11 tanks, 20.000 soldiers (2 divisions)

OOC: Please clarify... is your Air Detachment composed of squadrons, wings, or are you just deploying 15 F-35 fighters? Also, what is the composition of an "Extra division," as well as a "Heavy Armed Division"? What is the meaning of the random "Tanks" category, when you have a separate listing for an "Armored Division," and also are the numbers provided for your Armored Division for one Division, or for two (as seen in your parenthetical notation)? What type of aircraft carriers are you deploying? What Battleships? What Cruisers? What Destroyers? What Stealth Bombers? There are different types of each just in the real world (not counting NationStates designs), with vastly different capabilities.

I also note that you have apparently substantially increased your deployment of forces from the previous thread... this will be noted In Character through surveillance, and will correspond with my nation deploying reinforcements. I will caution you that, depending on the types of vessels and quantities of fighters you are deploying, you are going to be very close to deploying your entire military. The Carriers alone (again, depending on what class they are) will be (depending on whether you use currency conversions in your budget) anywhere from 25% to 400% of your entire Defense budget. That's not counting the rest of your deployment, just your aircraft carriers. I'm not trying to be mean, merely pointing out the fact that in all likelihood your nation has deployed its entire military to this territory.

OOC: Yea, around the full military. What you must understand, is that, we only want the oil. This oil, coud get our nation out of budget shit. If we, spend the money we win by this, on defence, i coud be great and strong.

IC:
To: Salzland

From: President Algo

Look. I love my nation, and i, as president, got the task to rule it, and make sure it survives, and is rich. Look, our nation, only want the oil. If we get 50% of the oil, and we WONT hold any troops there, only drillers, can we find a peaceful way than?
If i, deploy all my troops, and take them to Roef, can we, as a peaceful nation-working way, can i drill the oil than? I will promise, all troops will go home, and 50% of the oil is for you. The rest, for us, and you can also have the island, full of strong wood, silver and, we think, even some uranium. This is the best i can offer. And i hope, that you we can find a peaceful way.

OOC: Please answer my questions. I will post them again, to make sure you see them. Please clarify... is your Air Detachment composed of squadrons, wings, or are you just deploying 15 F-35 fighters? Also, what is the composition of an "Extra division," as well as a "Heavy Armed Division"? What is the meaning of the random "Tanks" category, when you have a separate listing for an "Armored Division," and also are the numbers provided for your Armored Division for one Division, or for two (as seen in your parenthetical notation)? What type of aircraft carriers are you deploying? What type of Battleship? What type of Cruiser? What type of Destroyer? What type of Stealth Bomber? There are different types of each just in the real world (not counting NationStates designs), with vastly different capabilities. Knowing what you are using is important (not to mention something that I could find out easily in-character), and only fair, especially considering you know that same information for my forces. Thank you.

IC:

To: President Algo, Roef

From: Office of the Minister for Foreign Relations, Salzland

Sir,

Having received your message, and already fired upon your forces, at this time the Government of Salzland is not interested in negotiating a peace treaty unless your forces are willing to surrender immediately and unconditionally. Your nation has provoked conflict over this territory, your nation used diplomatic channels to transmit messages inciting conflict, and your nation refused to compromise even in the slightest until war became the only solution. Should you surrender unconditionally, your personnel will be permitted to return to your homeland. Your military equipment will be left behind, to be seized and destroyed by the Salzland Defense Forces.

We are not willing to reward your Government for its actions in this incident. If you agree to surrender unconditionally and leave the territory, Roef corporations will have the opportunity to compete fairly with all nations of the world for the rights to the resources in this territory. Should you reject our agreement, your nation will not be granted even that chance of attaining anything from Great Hanika, and the Armed Republic of Salzland will make war against your forces on Great Hanika using every conventional weapon at its disposal.

This is our final offer.

Signed,

J. Marcus Davis
Minister for Foreign Relations

To:Office of the Minister for Foreign Relations, Salzland

From: King Remijnse

Well, no. We, shall leave, take all our arms and we will send drillers. But, hey, than its war. You, cant just claim this island, 500 miles away from you. This, is an oil thing. We shall have the oil, and only we. And, as you refuse, our rockets shall land on your new fleet of warfare.

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Hundrets of missiles took off. As the Salzland fleet was spotted on the satelite, 50% of all missiles where used. And all where sended to destroy Salzlands fleet. We looked for a peaceful way, they didnt. Now we woud fight them and blow there brains out.
Around 450 missiles, bought, stolen, and got from other nations.
They where all heading to the fleet of Slazland, and as these where the best of the best, and where sended by best computer tech of Roef, thay woud surely hit.

OOC:
You shall, i think, say than none, or one hit, everybody arrived without harm and such.
Go ahead, but that woud be totaly ignored, and your fleet ,is around 500 ships big, a little TO big isnt it? Bit unrealistic.

1.) My Defense Budget is $3.3 Trillion. In the 1980s, the United States maintained a fleet larger than what I deployed, with a budget of $500 Billion. Do the math.

2.) What type of "rockets" or "missiles" are you using? V-2s? Cruise missiles? ICBMs? Based on the range from my ships to your homeland, only cruise missiles or ICBMs could even reach me. ICBMs would be demolished by my strategic defenses, and depending on what type of cruise missile you launch, I'm willing to bet that I'm not even in range for you to attack with any sort of accuracy.

If you're just going to call them "rockets," then I'm going to assume they're unguided projectiles (because that's what a "rocket" is), and that they will miss. I'm also ignoring your statement that "they would surely hit," because no weapon strikes its target flawlessly 100% of the time. Plus, that statement is a God-mod, because you are not allowed to claim damage on my forces, as I am not on yours.

I will not respond to your rocket/missile attack until you answer my questions about what types of projectiles you've launched at me (which weren't declared on your ORBAT, by the way), where they were launched from/how they were launched (Air, missile silos, etcetera), what types of vessels you have deployed, and how many aircraft you have deployed (Squadrons, wings, etcetera).

If you do not provide that information, then your rocket attack will be ignored as ineffective unguided munitions launched at targets beyond their range, and I will be forced to provide the information on your deployments myself, meaning that I will have to determine what types of vessels, how many aircraft, etcetera you have deployed, because you refuse to do that. I have asked three times now for this information. I will not ask again.

And do not chastise me for what I will or will not claim. I fired 36 Harpoon anti-ship missiles at your convoy, which was not even expecting attack by submarine, from well within the Harpoons' operating range, and you claimed only two hits without even announcing what type of vessels were defending. Based on the range and flight time, your ships would have had a maximum of five minutes of warning and response time if they had detected my missiles the second they launched.

OOC:
Launched from a silo, a V-7, own design, go see draftroom to check, and, how many aircrafts? I think a squad. They arent rockets, and i didnt claimed damage.

OOC: All right, I see that the V-7 is a Ballistic missile with a conventional warhead and no guidance package. I have to leave for class, but when I return, my strategic missile defenses (as claimed in my ORBAT) will shoot them all down.

OOC: I am sick of it, and you cant attack Roef itself, the rules where clear: Only war on the island.

IC:
All troops got there stuff, and left to Roef.
As they already drilled oil for 2 billion, it was time to go.
After an hour, the island was far away. Everybody was happy to leave, to be safe.

OOC: All right, I see that the V-7 is a Ballistic missile with a conventional warhead and no guidance package. I have to leave for class, but when I return, my strategic missile defenses (as claimed in my ORBAT) will shoot them all down.

All? Yea, NOT! God-modding, remember? 450 missiles, and all down? Not one hit? Not gonna happen.

OOC: I am sick of it, and you cant attack Roef itself, the rules where clear: Only war on the island.

IC:
All troops got there stuff, and left to Roef.
As they already drilled oil for 2 billion, it was time to go.
After an hour, the island was far away. Everybody was happy to leave, to be safe.

Where did I attack Roef? Your missiles are clearly Ballistic missiles, as indicated on the Draftroom itself. As such, they must enter space before re-entry approaching their targets. As such, my strategic missile defenses have the opportunity to intercept them.

Edit: Besides, if you're going to continue launching missile attacks in-theater from your home territory, you can expect me to retaliate against these sites.

All? Yea, NOT! God-modding, remember? 450 missiles, and all down? Not one hit? Not gonna happen.

Remember this?

Strategic and Tactical Missile Defenses in Theater

600 Falkasian BI-4 Missile Defense satellites
450 Falkasian BI-3 Missile Defense satellites
500 LIM-49 Spartan Block II Anti-Ballistic Missiles
700 Sprint Block II Anti-Ballistic Missiles
20 Patriot PAC-3 sites
45 MEADS sites
Various SAM sites, Ticonderoga and Arleigh Burke vessels, etc.

All of the bolded would have the opportunity to intercept your un-guided rockets before they hit any of my ships. Not to mention the fact that attempting to hit a relatively small, moving target from over 800 miles away with an unguided rocket is virtually impossible. The Germans tried it in World War II, and were lucky to hit the city they were aiming at. So your 450 unguided rockets, versus my 1050 satellites, 1200 dedicated Anti-Ballistic Missiles, and 50 or so SAM vessels. And you're attempting to drop those 450 missiles on a... call it 1 million square meter target, in a 200 million square kilometer ocean. You'd be lucky if any of those missiles landed within 50 kilometers of one of my ships, let alone hit them.

IC:

As the Roef transport vessels departed for their home ports, they were detected by KH-12 reconnaisance satellites. This information was transmitted via low-frequency signals to twelve Salzland Virginia-class submarines, who took up positions along the transports' routes to Roef. Each submarine carried 6 Harpoon anti-ship missiles and 18 Mk. 48 ADCAP torpedoes. Their orders were simple: sink every transport heading for Roef.

As the Roef-ian satelite spotted some enemy satelites leaving the Harbor of Salzland, the navy sended all free subs, battleships and everything to make sure the ships survive to Roef. As, the ships only need 200 miles to go for Roef, only one day, the Roef-ian goverment was sure that they woud make it.

OOC:
And, you cant be faster than me, your nation is right on the map, mine left, look at it like that. The island, is 500 miles from you, i need to go 200 miles to Roef. No change you will make it.

1.) My subs are already deployed, and on your side of the island. They already attacked you, remember?

2.) It's 500 miles from Great Hanika to you, based on how long it took you to arrive in the original thread. Changing the distances is a God-mod. You can increase the speed of your vessels, and maybe knock a few hours off the travel time, but there's no way a bunch of big, heavy, slow transports can cover that in one day. They could barely do 150 miles in one day.

Also, yes, I could be faster than you. A submarine with a top speed of 25 knots in fact can go faster than a transport vessel with a top speed of about 6 knots.

Edit: 3.) I'll assume you meant you spotted my submarines leaving harbor, which as I already said they have been deployed since the start of the conflict. And as you already admitted you had deployed practically your entire military, I'm going to ignore the additional fleets that have apparently spawned in your homeland.

4.) How on Earth did you drill two billion barrels of oil in two days, when Saudi Arabia produces 10-20 million barrels per day?

5.) As I have already asked you three times to provide information as to what classes of vessels you have deployed, and you have ignored me, beginning with my next in-character post I will choose what classes you have deployed for you. My submarines would easily be able to determine this in-character (through comparissons of SONAR samples, SONAR types radiated by your ships, their speed, the number of propellers or 'screws', etcetera), and it's unfair, not to mention unrealistic, for me to have to defend my submarines against ambiguous vessels with whatever anti-submarine capabilities you decide to give them.

OOC: No. Just forget it, if you choose for me, i think i will ignore the total thing.
And, i didnty drill 2 billion barrels, but enough oil for 2 billion dollar.
And, In this thread, NO subs left harbor.
So, i will just look like it, if you just left.
As last: I didnt send my full military, almost.
So, if you ignore these other ships, i will ignore all next attacks. I, got 2 billion dollars in oil, you dont, i got something from it, you didnt.
END OF CONFLICT!

OOC: He isn't ignoring anything, Roef. Your plans and knowledge of what is going on just isn't as good as his, and because of this his defenses and plans are superior to yours in every possible way. When someone is playing by the rules but still has you by the balls, you have to live with it, not run away as you are about to do.

OOC: CLOSED! Read it, closed... Now, shut up. Rules are rules, he will live with it, and if not, be ignored, and he broken them, so ignored. I got oil, and the oil already arrived at Roef in the first thread, so its over.

OOC: You shut up. You declared "End of conflict!" so the rule there is voided. And his submarines arrived in their positions in the first thread as well. You just can't accept it when someone has you by the balls. If you can't face the facts sometimes, no one will want to RP with you. Ypu need to live with the rules and facts of reality.

OOC: He sended subs, i did to, and mine woud have attacked anybody it they spotted them, so hey woud have fled! Now: CLOSED! CLOSED! CLOSED! CLOSED! CLOSED! CLOSED! CLOSED! CLOSED! CLOSED! CLOSED! CLOSED! CLOSED! CLOSED! CLOSED! CLOSED! CLOSED! CLOSED! CLOSED! CLOSED! CLOSED! CLOSED! CLOSED! CLOSED! CLOSED!

OOC: Your ORBAT:

6 aircraft carriers
27 battleships
Cruisers: 24 cruisers
Destroyers: 17 destoryers

So no, no subs. You failed.

OOC: Please, anybody, tell him to SHUT UP! I am getting to F*CK*NG ANGRY! SHUT UP!

OOC: Yes, telling me you're angry and ye;lling at me to shut up. That's effective. I'll leave this thread, only because I was TGed POLITELY(You know what that is?) to leave. You declared an end to the conflict, so I consider this topic open game. Either way, I'll leave.
But fact is, you did not send any submarines in the past thread, he did, he has you by the balls and did it by the rules, and you're throwing a hissy fit because you aren't getting your way. Consider this our final discussion on this matter- you can't be more than nine(I draw this concklusion from your attitude, so no one be like "ZOMG FLAMES!". I seriously think he is a little kid, so from here on in I will *attempt* to go easy on him.) so I guess I'll let it go.

OOC: Roef, I have followed the rules. From the beginning, I stated that this thread was a continuation of the previous one, not replacing it. That means the actions taken in the previous thread are valid.

I have asked you politely numerous times to provide me information that, in-character, my submarines would easily be able to establish. Yet again you refuse. I have no choice then but to either ignore your vessels, or identify them myself. I cannot react to them in any other way.

Let me provide you one example. You are using 17 Destroyers, according to your ORBAT. Your ORBAT does not tell me whether your Destroyers have the capacity to transport one or two (or more) helicopters for anti-submarine warfare (let alone what types of helicopters they would be), whether your Destroyers have depth charges, torpedoes or anti-submarine rockets, or a combination of the three, what types (if any) of deck guns, machine guns and surface-to-air or cruise missiles are carried on them, what their maximum speed is, their range, RADAR and SONAR capabilities, or any other vitally important information that I would not only be able to find out in-character, but need to know to be able to respond to them effectively. I will not respond to anti-submarine attacks launched by vessels that are not equipped with the weapons and technology to conduct said attacks.

Your continued insistence on deploying additional ambiguous, undeclared forces beyond what was provided in your ORBAT, not to mention God-moding by declaring that my subs must've run away because the submarines you magically spawned in-theater would've chased them away, is causing me to rely increasingly on ignoring your forces. As mentioned previously, I cannot respond to ships and submarines with completely unknown capabilities, that are apparently chasing my Naval units all over the ocean at Warp speed.

It appears apparent that there will not be any further role-playing of substance in this thread. As I cannot even receive the most basic information on the types of units I am facing, and my attacks are either ignored or at best rendered marginally effective by God only knows what sorts of air-defense systems, I have no choice but to let this thread conclude with Roef's full withdrawal from Great Hanika (as claimed by Roef), followed by my occupation of the now-empty territory. I am ignoring the oil tankers that are leaving the island, because there is no mention provided as to the number, type, or capabilities (speed, range, etc.) of these tankers, not to mention the fact that they blew through a wolfpack of submarines and crossed 500+ miles of ocean in the space of a couple of hours.

I tried.

EDIT: Also, I'd like to add that, as thread creator, I have no problem with Holy Marsh posting here after Roef proclaimed the conflict over.

OOC: I tried as well, sorry Salzland. A waste of your time.

OOC: It's all right... I'll give Roef a chance to respond tomorrow, when he comes back on, but since he's pulled everything out, I'm going to make an In-Character post landing my troops on the island sometime tomorrow, then start up a new thread auctioning off resourcing rights.

OOC: As with all of you, I tried to help as well, without Roef knowing it. Myself and three other nations got together and wrote up a series of "help-points" for Roef on how to RP, and my friend that he has had contact with the most TG them to him. It appeared our help was ignored. Oh and on the matter that you mentioned Salzland in another thread, that is why I posted that new thread, because I had involvement in trying to help him. (A little bit of covert word-phrase my friend, just a bit so Roef doesn't catch on and get angry).

OOC: Sorry that he didn't take your hints, I for one would've enjoyed this thread much more if something had come of it. (Edit) Thank you, and thank you to the other three nations that took the time out of your lives to try and help. Were I not participating in this thread, it is entirely possible that I might have been among you. As for the other matter, consider your cloak and dagger-work safe ;)

As Roef declared that the conflict is apparently over, I don't mind if anyone else wants to post some advice to either of us, for things that we should've done differently.

For one, I realized while I was in class that Saudi Arabia pumps out that 10-20 million barrels of oil a day, not per year, which is a mistake I should've picked up on. Also, I probably should not have gotten cocky, and tried to win the thread using only 6 submarines. In case anyone was wondering, yes, that was intentional.

For Roef: Information, and facts, matter in a role-play. You need to know the capabilities of the units you are deploying, just as your opponent needs to be able to find out what your ships, planes, tanks, soldiers, etcetera are capable of. A fleet of Battleships that are loaded to the gills with nothing but 16" deck guns is a fearsome sight, however they would be totally defenseless against Air, anti-ship missile or submarine attacks. There are vastly different vessels within each class, with different capabilities, and each has to be treated differently.

As I have to study for a Russian quiz tomorrow, that will have to do for my quick two cents' worth of advice. Also, if anyone has any suggestions for anything I could've/should've done differently, I'll be happy to hear them.

OOC: There's not much you could have done when faced with RPing of such a poor nature.

OOC: Salzland, Roef seems to think he already drilled the oil on the island. He TG'd me about it earlier.

OOC: Salzland, Roef seems to think he already drilled the oil on the island. He TG'd me about it earlier.

OOC: As of the last relevant post in the other thread, he said he pumped out 1,000 liters of oil. Now that's jumped to $2 Billion in oil, and it's all magically crossed 500 miles of open ocean and arrived safely back in Roef, all in one post. Now I don't know how many liters $2 Billion in oil would be (considering I do not believe there is a NationStates standard price for it per gallon or per liter), but I assume that it would be a significant quantity. Not to mention the fact that, in-character, I would have noticed via satellite that a large number of tankers were heading to the island, taking on oil, and preparing to depart. Instead, I had the opportunity to make one post preparing to attack the vessels before they left, only to have my submarines completely ignored and have all of Roef's ships arrive "happily" and "safely" back home.

As I didn't even have the opportunity to contest this, as far as I'm concerned he didn't get a drop of oil out of Great Hanika and those tankers are getting the Mk. 1337 Ignore Cannon. If I was feeling especially vindictive, I would just drop a Peacekeeper ICBM on his port and oil refineries, however I feel that would be poor form and thus will not do so.

OOC: Please, anybody, tell him to SHUT UP! I am getting to F*CK*NG ANGRY! SHUT UP!

OOC: He sended subs, i did to, and mine woud have attacked anybody it they spotted them, so hey woud have fled! Now: CLOSED! CLOSED! CLOSED! CLOSED! CLOSED! CLOSED! CLOSED! CLOSED! CLOSED! CLOSED! CLOSED! CLOSED! CLOSED! CLOSED! CLOSED! CLOSED! CLOSED! CLOSED! CLOSED! CLOSED! CLOSED! CLOSED! CLOSED! CLOSED!

These childish displays have earned you a yellow card. You must not abuse other players, no matter how much you think they deserve it. If they are breaking rules, report it in the Moderation forum. If you simply don't like the way they RP, don't RP with them.

Holy Marsh, there are no problems with your entering a closed thread because you entered when the reason for closing it no longer existed, as the conflict had been declared over.

Other players, comments on RPing are helpful but please use IRC, MSN, TGs or offsite forums for general chat.

Thread closed.