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An Official Declaration from the Government of Ursava

The government of Ursava, over the last several months, has been reviewing the actions of the nation of Roef. As of 11:25 AM, both houses of congress have unanimously decided to instate a declaration of war against the nation of Roef.

The nation of Roef’s actions have been deemed as both immature as a nation wishing to participate in the modern, global community; and also as an attempt to provoke rather than avoid a conflict with other nations of the free world. As such, the nation of Ursava believes that the only truly effective way to rectify the situation is with a flex of military force that the government of Roef could not possibly equal at present.

President Zigana Saáry of Ursava
Vice President Aliz Gyarmati of Ursava
Minister of War Moricz Papp of Ursava


An Official Message to the Nations of the Free World

Given our declaration of war, we are initiating a blockade against the nation of Roef. We will enforce this blockade with force, if necessary, to any vessel that attempts to bypass it with military weaponry. All vessels are subject to search and all illegal cargo will be seized. Crews of vessels transporting the aforementioned illegal cargo may be detained. All ships are required to allow the boarding of the search teams both when arriving, and leaving from Roef. All Roefian vessels or aircraft that approach within fifty miles of any Ursavian forces without sending of surrender will be fired upon.

Any neutral missions similar to that of Red Cross will be allowed through, assuming they maintain true neutrality and have obtained permission from the Ursavian government before-hand. Any and all ships attempting to run the blockade will be given one warning and if they do not follow it, will be fired upon by blockading forces.

President Zigana Saáry of Ursava
Vice President Aliz Gyarmati of Ursava
Minister of War Moricz Papp of Ursava



Ursavian ships cut through the clean, blue waters off the coast of Roef as they moved in to position off the coast of Roef. To anybody who happened to be walking along the beach they would see a looming group of silhouettes that made up the Ursavian blockading force. What they could see above the surface was not the only threat being as the Virginia class submarines made sure that the surface ships were protected from any enemy submarine that might attempt to attack them or run the blockade. They didn’t fire on the coast like any invading force might do so soldiers could land, they just waited in what appeared to be silence. Despite this exterior appearance aircraft from the carriers were being prepped, helicopters prepared, and deck-guns armed for battle.

The blockade of Roef had begun.

TO: Ursava Government
FROM: Vamperial Kingdom of Lynion, High King Vamp

What excatly is the reason your declaring war on Roef and the Blockard?


It was during this time that the Lynion's dispatched two armada's and two fleets from Lynion and Imperial Australia to watch the events unfold. If things were to get out of hand, then Vamperial Headmaster Tal Rasha had orders to defend Lynx Colony. They were ordered not to take part in the blockard but make sure that Lynx wasn't threatened.

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Official Greal Statement
Ministry of Foreign Affairs

To: President Zigana Saáry of Ursava, Government of Roef
Encryption Level: None
Subject: RE: Blockade

The Imperial Republic of Greal will support the Government of Ursava's blockade of Roef and will send naval forces in support. Three naval fleets will be dispatched as part of the blockading force. All vessels attempting to enter or leave Roefian waters are subject to search by the Greal Navy and will seize any illegal cargo.

Signed,

Martin Watson
President of Greal
Imperial Republic of Greal

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Three naval fleets were immediately on route. The first fleet would arrive within a day, while the remaining two fleets would arrive later in the week. The Greal naval fleet was required to support Ursava in any action against Roef. Any Roefian citizens in Greal would be detained by the Greal police, and their property confiscated.

ooc: no chance, you guys will let up on the guy? at all? seriously hasnt he suffered enough, and i suspect this blockade is becuase Ursav wants revenge for being 24 hours banned. IMO <-- my two cents.

To the nations participating in the blockade,

The LTE government believes that this blockade is illegal according to Ursava not showing any serious points of the blockade. Without Ursava telling anyone the reasons for this declaration, the blockade is considered illegal. The Lithuanian Empire will stay neutral, however, should the invasion actually begin, we will move in to protect Roef.

An Official Declaration from the Government of Ursava

The government of Ursava, over the last several months, has been reviewing the actions of the nation of Roef. As of 11:25 AM, both houses of congress have unanimously decided to instate a declaration of war against the nation of Roef.

The nation of Roef’s actions have been deemed as both immature as a nation wishing to participate in the modern, global community; and also as an attempt to provoke rather than avoid a conflict with other nations of the free world. As such, the nation of Ursava believes that the only truly effective way to rectify the situation is with a flex of military force that the government of Roef could not possibly equal at present.

President Zigana Saáry of Ursava
Vice President Aliz Gyarmati of Ursava
Minister of War Moricz Papp of Ursava


An Official Message to the Nations of the Free World

Given our declaration of war, we are initiating a blockade against the nation of Roef. We will enforce this blockade with force, if necessary, to any vessel that attempts to bypass it with military weaponry. All vessels are subject to search and all illegal cargo will be seized. Crews of vessels transporting the aforementioned illegal cargo may be detained. All ships are required to allow the boarding of the search teams both when arriving, and leaving from Roef. All Roefian vessels or aircraft that approach within fifty miles of any Ursavian forces without sending of surrender will be fired upon.

Any neutral missions similar to that of Red Cross will be allowed through, assuming they maintain true neutrality and have obtained permission from the Ursavian government before-hand. Any and all ships attempting to run the blockade will be given one warning and if they do not follow it, will be fired upon by blockading forces.

President Zigana Saáry of Ursava
Vice President Aliz Gyarmati of Ursava
Minister of War Moricz Papp of Ursava



Ursavian ships cut through the clean, blue waters off the coast of Roef as they moved in to position off the coast of Roef. To anybody who happened to be walking along the beach they would see a looming group of silhouettes that made up the Ursavian blockading force. What they could see above the surface was not the only threat being as the Virginia class submarines made sure that the surface ships were protected from any enemy submarine that might attempt to attack them or run the blockade. They didn’t fire on the coast like any invading force might do so soldiers could land, they just waited in what appeared to be silence. Despite this exterior appearance aircraft from the carriers were being prepped, helicopters prepared, and deck-guns armed for battle.

The blockade of Roef had begun.

The ASoGM sees this as nothing more than an imperialistic maneuver by the natiion of Ursava. From the intelligence we have been able to gather, the nation of Roef poses no threat to Ursava. Therefore, until such time as Ursava can provide evidence of such a threat, the ASoGM will see such a blockade as illegitimate. Any attempts to stop ASoGM ships bound for Roef will be seen as an act of aggression, and will be dealt with severely.

Encrypted message to Roef:

TO: Roef leadership
FROM: Franco, a citizen of the ASoGM
RE: supplies

My name is Franco, and I have a business proposition for you. I can get you small arms such as Stinger missiles, SMAWs, RPGs, AK-47s, M16s, and others. I would be willing to do so for $1.5 billion USD, paid up front. There is however, the risk that the shipment could be intercepted, by either my government or one of the ones blockading you. If you wish to accept this offer, send a reply directly to me. DO NOT send a message to the ASoGM government, as this offer is not from the ASoGM government, and their finding out about this deal could cause complications that neither of us need.

OOC: Ursava, I don't think in your first post you can already have your navy off of Roef. They need to get there first and Roef would have detected it. You need to give him a fair shake. This post is also time stamped after my civil war.

From: The United Government of the Holy Marsh.
To: Nations Involved in the Blockade, Primarily Ursava.

While we understand your greivances with Roef, we do not believe that a blocakde and declaration of war is the right move. Instead, we believe this will only serve to make the problems worse, and a loss of life on all sides will occur. Instead, wouldn't it be wise to just monitor his naval forces using satellites and if they seem to be preparing to undergo an offensive operation, then launch an attack? Why, your naval forces appeared so quickly, Roef couldn't even respond to your declaration before your forces arrived. Surely, such a speedy force could strike at Roef's navy at prcatically anytime? So, why bother hurting the civilian market of the nation? It sees illogical, and as a nation of the modern world we hope you'll see this.
Instead, why not create a Joint Task Force Fleet of the nations involved that could strike at Roef at anytime with overwhelming power while not also doing undo harm to the civilians of his country?

1 Genevia Avenue, Erid'Lor

This famous house was one where every Prime Minister since the 2nd DAKRA Pact had lived was now occupied by Gael H. Liegelor, currently PM of Erid'Lor.

Liegelor had led the life- 5 years in the regular military followed by 15 in special operations, and now he was Prime Minister, second in command of the nation, second only to the Lord- Lord Henry Parallax, founder of the New Parallaxian Dynasty.

A snore reverberated through the room, sound waves vibrating at speeds faster than any living being could move, rebounding off the hardwood floor and the walls, the ceiling, the doors, quickly enough as to not cause an echo. For even busy Prime Ministers in charge of running a nation needed their sleep. Especially this one, after 72 hours straight without any rest, full of busy decision-making and various ministerial duties and business.

Oh, but he knew nothing, no, nothing, of what was to come; indeed, if he did, he would likely have a nightmare or, should he have heard the news during the day, he would have slowly lowered his hair down onto the glistening hardwood desk that was his main workplace and closed his eyes.

Restless, Liegelor tossed and turned; and then the telephone rang loudly, interrupting a dream, interrupting glorious sleep and the rest it brought.

Blearily, Liegelor stretched, rubbed his eyes and stifled a yawn; putting his glasses on, he looked at the clock. 5.30 am.

"Joy," he thought, sarcastically, and picked up the telephone.

"Hello? 1 Genevia Avenue, Prime Minister Gael H.-"

"Yeah yeah we know the drill, Gael. This is urgent."

Liegelor knew that voice- Avery Torrington, Chairman of the Republic Military Intelligence and Technology Institute (RMITI) and also the Director of Intelligence- leader of the Eridite Intelligence Agency, the EIA.

"Yes, what?"

"There's a... situation, Prime Minister. We've got a slight problem in Roef and the states around it."

"Well, what? Spit it out, damnit- you woke me up at 5.30am, this better be something serious, so don't sit there and be quiet- what?!"

"I suggest you turn on the news. There'll be a conference later today, 10am, at The Place."

Liegelor frowned; Torrington was like that, somewhat cold, somewhat aloof; it came after years and years of duty in the military and in the intelligence community. He was once called "The Iceman" in the EIA and Omega Force for his legendary calm under pressure and his simultaneous coldness of attitude. As for him saying that the meeting was to be held in 'The Place'... he suppressed a shudder, and some horripilations popped up along his arms. Whatever happened must have been bad, or very serious, for the meeting to be held in the secret bunker deep under Genevia's streets, where wars were normally discussed and commanded from.

Walking into the living room, feet stepping on the carpets that covered the floor, he plonked down onto the sofa and flicked the TV on via the remote, then switched channels until he got to DAKRANEWS TVCorps, the premier news broadcasting agency of Erid'Lor.

What he saw on the breaking news marquee at the bottom of the screen made him sit up straight and take notice.

The news ticker read, "Breaking news- Ursava blockades Roef."

The news anchor, who was by some coincidence half-Ursavan half-Eridite, began by saying, "Today Ursava announced measures against the purported 'immaturity' of Roef by blockading said nation; Ursava's two houses of Congress had voted unanimously to institute this measure beforehand. By flexing its strength, Ursava hopes to send a clear message to Roef to not 'provoke' and to rather 'avoid wars'.'

"It remains to be seen how Erid'Lor will react; several different parties have issued different statements. The Erid'Lor Progressive Party, predominant party in Erid'Lor, declared in a press statement that 'resorting to the use of force where some more peaceful solution could be used is deplorable, though we do see some logic in Ursava's blockade.' A spokesman for the Isolationist Party, meanwhile, which has no seats in Parliament, declared that 'the matters of others are not our concern' and that Erid'Lor should 'forget about outside issues and concentrate on the pressing domestic ones'. When pressed about the so-termed 'pressing domestic issues', however- 87% of the populace reported approval of the current leadership and 90% said that Erid'Lor was in a very good state-they declined to elaborate.'

Liegelor laughed heartily.

"...the Ministry of Foreign Affairs will apparently issue a communique and a press statement regarding this matter later in the day. It's unknown, as stated, what the response will be, and various government officials declined comment, including Minister of Foreign Affairs Esmeralda Lee Jr." The screen had by now been split into two sides, one with the news anchor's image talking, and the other showing Esmeralda's face, which soon changed into a map of Roef.

"It remains to be seen what Roef's reaction will be, and what other state's reactions will be as well."

"In other news, port traffic in Eritron in terms of tonnage handled is at its highest ever, and..."

Liegelor flicked off the TV. Now he knew what 'the situation' was.

OOC: Expect another post within 12 hours.

OOC: You aware that a blockade is an act of war? Also, what happens when when ships from a larger nation (like mine) refuse to abide by the blockade?

OOC: He said, "both houses of congress have unanimously decided to instate a declaration of war against the nation of Roef." so a state of war does exist.

OOC: Tolvan, Ursava enforces the blockard. There isn't a strong IC point to support this. I'm trying to figure out what to do at the moment, so far I'm just dispatching forces to Lynx to make sure things don't get out of hand.

OOC To All Sides: I suggest that no hostilities be initiated right now, and Roef, keep a cool head. I'm going to try to do something... :p

Don't worry, it won't damage any of you. :D

As the Government of Salzland currently has significant quantities of forces deployed around the world, including forces already (OOC: I think, depending on whether the new thread is ever made) deployed against Roef, were we to agree that this blockade was necessary at this time we do not have the physical capacity to support this endeavor.

We would also caution our allies in Ursava to avoid overstretching themselves, and deploying forces into an unwinable situation. There will be calls for justifiable actions against Roef to come; patience and tact will carry this day.

OOC: He said, "both houses of congress have unanimously decided to instate a declaration of war against the nation of Roef." so a state of war does exist.

OOC: I was referring more to the fact that boarding neutral ships in international waters (or Roefian waters) for that matter tends to piss people off a bit.

OOC: You said blockade, so that is what I responded to. As for the boarding part- agreed.

Liegelor walked into the command room, the 'War Room' as it was called. The chatter of the entire Cabinet and the upper command of the military began to cease; everyone got into chairs around a square table.

Torrington stood up. "Yesterday, Ursava declared a state of war with Roef and blockaded Roef; former nation's ships are moving towards their enemy now to initiate blockade action. The response from the international community is varied- Greal and Salzland support it, Lynion is staying neutral, Holy Marsh is neutral but tilts toward the side of supporting the blockade, while LithuanianEmpire and Gun Manufacturers do not support it.'

"We have several options- do we support the invasion, stay neutral, denounce it, propose peace, send in SpecOps, or what. We've had no previous dealings with this nation but it does seem that Roef provoked a war with Salzland over an island with oil 500 miles away from their mainland."

Liegelor stood up as Torrington stood down; "Ladies and gentlemen, I am for the policy of neutrality and trying to stop this conflict. If we are successful, needless lives will not be lost, there will be no hostilities, fathers won't lose their sons, mothers won't lose their daughters. War will have been averted, for the good of all. On the other hand, what have we to lose? We, specifically, will not be harmed if we stay neutral, and even if the peace process falls through, then we won't be harmed; perhaps that is selfish but it is still true, and we will still have tried."

Nods and murmurs from around the table as Liegelor took his seat; then Frank Parallax, son of Henry Parallax, the Minister of Trade and Industry, stood up and said, "Sir, while I respect your call for peace I do not think that that is the best option; Erid'Lor should denounce an illegal act, an invasion for no true good reason, a move that will hurt the civilians of Roef for the immaturity of their leaders. How can that be good? We must stand by Roef, however bad their leadership must be, for the good of their people- we must not be selfish. I urge you all to support the choice for not supporting Roef."

People were reconsidering; more nods.

Candace Tolorikin, Parliament Speaker, stood up, and said, "Frank, I respect your views, but I must agree with Gael here. Perhaps Erid'Lor should denounce the illegal act, and I agree with your sentiments that this should stop; but is it not true that discretion is the better part of valour, that both of the options work towards the same goal? Gael's proposition carries far less risk and for the same goal, and we can get all sides down to the conference as opposed to threatening the nations supporting the truce and getting into a war."

Torrington looked around the table. "Any further arguments? No? Well, vote then."

It was a unanimous vote for Liegelor's proposition.

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To: All Involved Nations
From: Ministry of Foreign Affairs, Erid'Lor

To Whom It May Concern:

It's come to our attention that Ursava and various other governments are initiating a blockade against Roef. Before needless lives are lost and war is started, we would like to invite all parties to a conference in Genevia for a possible discussion and, hopefully, that will allow for cessation of hostilities.

Yours,
Esmeralda Lee Jr.
Minister of Foreign Affairs, Erid'Lor
"For King and Country!"

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Official Greal Statement
Ministry of Foreign Affairs

To: President Zigana Saáry of Ursava, Government of Roef
Encryption Level: None
Subject: RE: Blockade

The Imperial Republic of Greal will stand down from the blockade and withdraw its naval fleets, due to concerns expressed by the Ministry of Foreign Affairs.

Signed,

Martin Watson
President of Greal
Imperial Republic of Greal

To: Ursava
From: The Allied States of New Kereptica
Concerning: Blockade of Roef

Ursava, we ignore your empty threats. You will not fire on a nation with three times you population, and a defense budget eight times that of your's. Our trade with Roef shall continue completely uninhibited. Any attempt to board a Kereptecian vessle, or in any other way inhibit our trade, will be considered an act of war against the States, and met with swift and decisive action. Keep in mind, our trading vessles will not be armed. They will be crewed by civillian seamen. Should you attack them, their deaths will be on your head. We will extract a ton of flesh, for every ounce taken.

OOC: Well, this would have been a very tempting proposition if Roef and I had not come to terms about my "stolen" design. However, I may feel inclined to get in on the action later....

Convoy Oscar Four-Five
Approaching Roef

The convoy, four merchantmen and a pair of escorting destroyers, had recieved word of the Ursavian blockade while they were still five days away. Tolvan had very little trade with Roef directly, but Tolvanic flagged ships carried cargo to and from almost every nation in the world with a coastline. While the Commonwealth was not particularly fond of Roef, it was not about to allow Ursava challenge the Right of Free Navigation on such flimsy grounds. For now the convoy slowed its advance, but only to allow reinforcements to catch up. The Prime Minister hoped that a conflict could be averted, but how far this went was up to Ursava.

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To: The Government of Ursava
From: Santherese Humanitarian Society

Blockades too frequently harm those who are nothing but innocent and know little of the petty squabbles between national leaders. As such, the Humanitarian Society is dispatching its Mercy-class hospital ship Goodwill, carrying foodstuffs and medical supplies to be distributed by our personnel to the civilian populace. They will sit offshore for an indefinite period of time, slowly introducing necessities into Roef to discourage the government from seizing shipments -- following that, they will continue service as a hospital ship for any sick or wounded from either Roef or Ursava, or any other nation which requires.

We ask you do not threaten our ship or personnel. There will be no armaments of any kind aboard the Goodwill. Security, if you can provide any, would be appreciated.

Thank you for you cooperation,

Marchessa Adele de Rossi
Chairman, Board of Governors
Santherese Humanitarian Society

A lonely cargo ship flying the Kereptecian flag slowley made it's way out of the ice-choaked harbor of Isu-nord, toward the tropical lands of Roef. At night, many of the portholes were lit and, if you listened hard enough, you could hear faint music emenating from the cabins.

ooc: no chance, you guys will let up on the guy? at all? seriously hasnt he suffered enough, and i suspect this blockade is becuase Ursav wants revenge for being 24 hours banned. IMO <-- my two cents.

OOC: Actually, my brother (Romandeos) can verify that I was planning this before I found out I was banned. Go ahead and ask him. To all nations who are trying to threaten me, my forces have been ordered have been ordered to enforce a blockade and not an actual invasion; despite this they are not afraid to fight.

I'll post ICly soon so please don't go to far ahead without me.

OOC: Just to clarify, I believe it was fairly clear that I wrote that A.) I don't support the blockade at this time; and B.) That even if I did I have no resources to commit to it.

Not singling anyone out, just want to make sure everyone is operating from the same set of facts.

OOC: Ursava doesn't have a strong IC reason except that Roef is immature government which doesn't mean much. I'm staying netural at the moment.

IC:

Vamperial Headmaster Tal Rasha Armada and 300,000 troops finally arrived in Lynx Colony alongside several thousands civilians willing to have a change of life. If things were going to go well, then there wouldn't be any fighting and Lynion wouldn't have to take part in the blockard. The 120 warships docked in various habours around Lynx as the military forces moved to secure key strongholds around the colony that would be used to keep an eye out for any activities that were happening nearby. Tal Rasha Command Post was at the Radar Station where they could monitor the situation of the blockard.

"Give the military time to rest," ordered Tal Rasha. "However, put Lynx on Code Blue. Standby stations and prepare to go into Code Orange before Code Rust,"

[OOC: Ursava, had he done some research, could have discovered that CA obtained nuclear missiles from Roef, though that was a bit muddled. Still, in my eyes CA is a lake.]

OOC: Roef did give CA nukes that CA used against me but I'm still thinking if its worth going to war against Roef.

OOC:

To all nations who are trying to threaten me, my forces have been ordered have been ordered to enforce a blockade and not an actual invasion; despite this they are not afraid to fight.


OOC: They should be you're pissing off nations that dwarf you. I'm by no means a large nation by NS standards and my Defence Budget is 33 times as large as yours. For that matter my Defence budget is almost six times your entire GDP.

Numbers per: NSTracker (http://nstracker.jfsoftware.com/index.php?nation=tolvan&nation2=ursava&nation3=&nation4=&nation5=&nation6=)

Also, since it doesn't appear Roef is even going to show up this thread isn't going anywhere very fast.

OOC: Roef did give CA nukes that CA used against me but I'm still thinking if its worth going to war against Roef.

OOC: Supposedly that was all retconned away in a feeble attempt to prevent about a dozen nations from curbstomping Roef over his unregulated sale of nukes. I'm still not convinced that Roef and CA/CM aren't the same person, but that's irrelevant.

OOC: Is it even possible to prove that Roef and CA/CM are the same person?

OOC: Is it even possible to prove that Roef and CA/CM are the same person?

OOC: Unfortunately no, though there are similarities in their posting styles (same bad spelling and what not) but since they're supposed to be brothers that could be used to explaing that, since we all know siblings write exactly the same.

[OOC: Y'all just best let it be. I advised Roef to ignore this thread in a TG early this morning. Whether you did indeed plan this before your day-ban seems rather moot after said day-ban, Ursava. It seems suspicious.

I would suggest that y'all do the same and ignore him. A few of you posting here were already warned that you were nearing a ban. I figure it'd be the best idea to avoid what might flare your temper and loosen your tongue to the point where trapsed close to a ban again.]

ooc: and all the opposition to this blockade came AFTER i pointed it out lol. +1 point to me :P

OOC: Not really. I was posting before you, but it took me a long while. In fact it was so long that I would've been the first one to reply but...

Apologies for thread irrelevance.

ooc: and all the opposition to this blockade came AFTER i pointed it out lol. +1 point to me :P

OOC: I posted when I read the thread, so -2 points for you due to ego trip.XD

OOC: Ursava, are you really sure you want this?
Because if i wanted to, i coud send, like a bomber attack, with 200 jets and 500 ships. I coud whipe you of the face of the earth. Now, take this away of feel my wrath.
To all other nations, i am sorry that it got this far. I hope, that after this all, we can, finaly, live together. Peacefully together. To lynion, i say sorry, for that i gave CA the nukes. But i coudnt know, what happend. He is my brother, and i thought, that if everybody, was blowing up my borther... nah. I thought i woud create peace! But, no, it created more; hate, other wars, and people died for that. I am very sorry to you all.

IC:

To: Ursava

From: President Algo

Take away everything. Our defence budget, is hger than yours, and mine is blowing low anyway. Your nation, coud buy around 3 battleships, a year? more?
But if you really want this, it can. I will strike that blockade, i will destroy your capital, i will crush everybody of your goverment, i will destroy your navy and your military. But "Hey"? What it matters? But i warned you, dont get angry if i use a lot of nukes against you later, if you dont destruct the blockade. NOW!

OOC: Your piss poor economy and military budget could not support anything near that large of a deployment, even in your home waters.

This (http://nstracker.jfsoftware.com/index.php?nation=Roef) is roughly what your budget should be.

OOC: Yes i can in my own waters. And, as his budget is 32% of mine, i will ignore this thread, 100%. It is not possible, that he gets without any other fight, to my beach, as i got radars to you know, and with subs, and than just can do that. Its not possible, and this is, my last post here. This thread=IGNORE!

OOC: Roef, Lynion isn't interested in waging war with the manufactour. Ahh forget the incident, its just between Lynion and CA who no longer exists. One piece of advice, don't venture too close to Lynion waters or Lynx Colony waters.

OOC: I knew this would happen since Ursava just showed up at your shores, but Tolvan does have a point about your budget.

[OOC: So much for my advise about staying away....

And Roef, please get the facts before you go on a rant. Ursava spends 268 billion on defense and you only 197 billion. If you convert both to USD, he spends about 89 billion and you spend about 15 billion.

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OOC: I know, as i said, my budget is low. But, HIS budget, is 32%, thats means 5 ships.

Read what Catawaba said. I think that settles it.

OOC: Roef, you can't afford 2% of your population in the military even with Law and Order budget added onto it. Do I need to show you the result of that?

OOC: No, but i coud win from him, yes i coud...

OOC: We're discussing budgets. You claimed you had a larger budget than he did, you are wrong.

OOC: you could possibly win with a smaller force and more advance tech but you can't do it with this kind of population in your military. Do you want me to show you the facts?

OOC: No, but i coud win from him, yes i coud...

OOC: Actually Roef, you going to war with Ursava would result in this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VDW0ZnZxjn4)

It's all fine and dandy throwing down threats like "I'll Wipe You Off The Face Of The Earth", but you haven't got the military power to follow through (As It Were ;)). Even inside your own waters/nation, your budget is your budget, and doesn't change just because you suddenly come up against someone you can't beat with your current military force - addressing the issues in a sensible manner will improve your economy.

OOC:

Roef, you don't decide what a nation can buy, its budget aside.

Further, based on what I can see, everybody involved here has made errors. Having said that, I would advise Roef, Ursava, and everybody else here to be reasonable, and pretend this did not happen. Just...walk away.

Oh, just as an aside, Ursava did plan this before he was banned.

Later, all.

OOC:

Roef, you don't decide what a nation can buy, its budget aside.

Further, based on what I can see, everybody involved here has made errors. Having said that, I would advise Roef, Ursava, and everybody else here to be reasonable, and pretend this did not happen. Just...walk away.

Oh, just as an aside, Ursava did plan this before he was banned.

Later, all.

OOC: Well, if Roef would just take the advice about not getting on everyones nerves with un-RPable threads, empty threats and n00bish tactics, then we would leave him alone. But he doesn't, so we end up coming into his threads to correct him.

Have you seen his MBT-11? He seems to think its cannon has a range of nine miles!

OOC: Well, if Roef would just take the advice about not getting on everyones nerves with un-RPable threads, empty threats and n00bish tactics, then we would leave him alone. But he doesn't, so we end up coming into his threads to correct him.

Have you seen his MBT-11? He seems to think its cannon has a range of nine miles!

OOC:

I've seen it, but still, you can only help somebody if they wish to be helped.

Having said that, I once again suggest we all walk away, and let this thread die.

OOC:

I've seen it, but still, you can only help somebody if they wish to be helped.

Having said that, I once again suggest we all walk away, and let this thread die.

OOC: Yes, I suppose so.

*Walks away, holding his dignity under his arm*

ooc: and all the opposition to this blockade came AFTER i pointed it out lol. +1 point to me :P

OOC: Only because you saw it before me. :tongue:

OOC: Anyway, this thread, is ignored by me.