NationStates Jolt Archive

OOC: First, a few rules: No nukes, no real invasions, like millions of troops,no flaming.

IC:

'Sir!' Asked a happy major.
'what soldier?' Asked the general.
'On great hanika, the unknown lands we claimed, has been found oil! Much oil!'
'Good news? You think?'
'Yes sir... I... But...'
'The lands arent claimed on paper! Only Roef-ian troops are there! No real claim has been made!'
'But that means... O my god!'
'Yes, it means EVERY single nation can claim it if they beat our soldiers!'
The general gave order, to escort him to the lands, and take 25000 soldiers to it. An army of G.W.M.U light tanks and RTH-47-main battle tanks headed toward the lands. Bought from the G.W.M.U, as a deal, that the G.W.M.U woud get 2% of the oil. The military aslo payed something, but less than normal. The tanks headed toward Great Hanika,, but still in hope enemy's woudnt come to claim the oil... The largest war ship of Roef, was sended to do the job there... Carying, lots of food, mining machines, to get the oil, and some weapons. The troops who where already on the land, got scared as the commander gave a massage, that enemy's woud attack... And with only 120 soldiers...

OOC: Who are the 120 soldiers already on the oil lands? Yours?

Yes, first it was kinda unknown, nobody lived there, and roef claimed it. But it wasnt claimed on paper, so not real, not official.

OOC: I need to go, so dont send a large attack and everything...

ooc Just Hand it over to BC now and save yourself

The Government of Salzland is content to sit back and wait for the Griffencrest Corporation to arrive and seize the "unknown lands."

Ahh, yes, but as i sad: I dont need to save myself, no invasions, no nukes, and such... If rules are broke, that player will be ignored at the thread.

The Roef-ian army arrived after a long trip. They had just arrived, and already the soldiers had set up oil drill machines. It didnt took long, as they found a lot of it. After a hour or so, 24 big tanks, that coud hold up to 100 liters, where filled. Two dats after the arrive, the tanks got there to. About 1000 G.W.M.U light tanks arrived, with it 400 RTH-47 MBT's.
The tanks where put in place, as the best defence line they coud ever think of.

Ahh, yes, but as i sad: I dont need to save myself, no invasions, no nukes, and such... If rules are broke, that player will be ignored at the thread.

OOC: So let me get this straight - you've found oil, claimed it, and then said that even though this thread is titled [WAR], you'll ignore anyone who challenges your claim?

So, what exactly is this supposed to be? Yet another in a long line of un-RPable threads?

OOC: So let me get this straight - you've found oil, claimed it, and then said that even though this thread is titled [WAR], you'll ignore anyone who challenges your claim?

So, what exactly is this supposed to be? Yet another in a long line of un-RPable threads?

OOC: That's how I read it, which is why this thread's getting the Mk. 1337 Ignore Cannon. Either Roef wins, or no one gets to play. Great idea for an RP

"Guardian," started a Vamperial Knight as he held a telegram in his hands. "We just got word that Roef has found some oil,"

"I'll see what Lee and Jian thinks about it," replied the Vamperial Guardian as he took the telegram and went through the marble hallways.

Lynion was quiet since the Last Pirate Alliance War which ended in Lynion victory and Pirate Alliance uter destruction. The Guardian passed by a pair of Vamperial Masters who were talking with Vamperial Headmasters Jian and Lee.

"Sir, we just got a report that Roef has claimed to have found oil on an island somewhere," stated the Guardian as Lee and Jian looked at him.

"I say we send an Interceptor over the island and figure out if its worth our time. If Griffencrest Corporation enters this conflict, then we're pulling out to avoid an open war which is what we don't require at the moment," replied Vamperial Headmaster Lee. "Don't send a telegram to Roef for the time being. Instead, send a Stealth Super Sonic Jet to scout it. Send the Jack of Diamonds,"

"Will do sir," replied the Guardian as he left the room.

Two hours later, the Jack of Diamonds had taken off on a scouting mission to the island. She knew deep down that it wouldn't be of any interest to them but she also knew there was more to mission than first mets the eye.

No thats not it! Ofcourse you can send 100.000's of troops, but not millions! Not the full army! You can send troops, and attack me, but just dont nuke or sometihing like it.

IC:
"Sir. The oil is founded!, a lot of it! More than on the E-C erea!"
"Good lord! Go mine more! Until enemy's arrive, if they arrive anyway, we have to drill as much as possible! And, i want you to send a massage to the vamperial empire!!"
"What is the man named?"
"Lee soldier, but send this to him:"
"I dont know, just send this!".
"I know our nations have bin in war. But i think. that it was long enough. I want to ask you, to help me colect the oil. As repay, you will get 45 to 50% of the oil. Without blood, no weapons. If in need, we doud help each other, to defend our claimed lands. This is all i want to say. And if you dont want to get problems, or dont want to do this all, and dont want to know ANYTHING about it, than send a massage with "No". Thank you, and i got fully trust, that you are not yet planning attacks. But think about it. We woud be strong... So strong..."

"I will send sir!"
"Good, this coud rise the economy of Roef to higer than ever! Than we, the might Red-head army, woud be the best of the best in Roef!"
"Yes sir! Let us do it!"

OOC: Hold on, you just god-moded because you don't know Lee, you don't know whose the commander and I haven't sent the Jack of Diamonds yet.

ooc you Don't mine oil you Drill for it

OOC: I know, that is why i never spoke of it, i just asked you to help me, and i woud help you. Thats all. I didnt spoke of that diamont, and i think, that with 600 million people, i coud know how the leader of the nation is called. And i dont told about a commander.

OOC: So then how do you know Lee? Also, the Jack of Diamons is flying a Stealth fighter jet that can't be picked up on radar and it hasn't even come close to your island. The leader of Lynion is High King Vamp and he's away at the moment.

OOC: I think his point was more: In character, you have no idea that Lynion is doing anything at this point.

OOC: I know that! I didnt spoke a word about the plane! I just asked from him to get 50% of the oil without war! In return he woud help me, fight his own enemy's, and mine! That dus NOTHING to do with that plane or his plan!

OOC: It doesn't explain anything about Lee. Not many nations know about the Headmasters in the Vamperial Order or their names. How do you know Lee and his rank?

Now happy? I changed, and i didnt named him, or anything. I just asked to help.

OOC: I'm not talking about the jet. Unless you have spies sitting next to that airfield watching every plane that takes off, and noting the direction they're heading in, you have no In Character knowledge that Lynion is planning on getting involved. Ergo, you have no reason to be offering to split anything with Lynion. Because you don't know that Lynion is interested in anything involving this island/landmass/whatever.

OOC: It doesn't explain anything about Lee. Not many nations know about the Headmasters in the Vamperial Order or their names. How do you know Lee and his rank?


Because, our nations have had war around 20 times! I got hundrtets of massages all together, so i coud know.
But i changed, so forget it.

OOC: I'm not talking about the jet. Unless you have spies sitting next to that airfield watching every plane that takes off, and noting the direction they're heading in, you have no In Character knowledge that Lynion is planning on getting involved. Ergo, you have no reason to be offering to split anything with Lynion. Because you don't know that Lynion is interested in anything involving this island/landmass/whatever.

That why i sad this:

And if you dont want to get problems, or dont want to do this all, and dont want to know ANYTHING about it, than send a massage with "No".

OOC: I've never gone to war with you Roef. Besides, Lee doesn't respond to nations that don't consider any matter to Lynion.


IC:

TO: Roef
FROM: Vamperial Order of Lynion, Vamperial Headmaster Jian

We have no reasons to have anything that you have or want. You have no reason and we don't see this as a peace offering. Because of the possible bribe attempt, we no longer want anything to do with you.

To: Vamperial Headmaster Jian

From: Sergeant hollister

Very well. Than i will have to take all the oil myself. I just offerd, if you dont accept, its alright. And nothing to do with? I suppose you want something from the oil?
Well, and if not, i am very, very sorry for saying that without reason, i hope i am wrong, and that you will be peacefull, or just let the oil rest.

TO: Sergeant hollister, Roef
FROM: Vamperial Headmaster Jian, Vamperial Kingdom of Lynion

We have enough oil in our colony to supply us for decades to come. Don't try and offer another bribe to us again. You're not considered a friend, ally nor a neutral country but a country that is stated as: Enemy/Nothing to do with. Best you watch how you treat us or we'll be the ones that'll make you eat your own words.

To: Vemperial Headmaster Jian

From: Sergeant Hollister

Ofcourse, i am sorry. And i am not saying anything bad, just telling what i think. And if you dont have anything to do with the oil, i am sorry for being unfriendly. Thank you.

OOC: Oh, the hell with it

IC:

To: The Government of Roef
From: Office of the Minister for Foreign Relations, Salzland
CC: Nations of the World

Sirs,

Salzland satellite intelligence collection agencies have recently noted the movement of a large concentration of Roef military units to a territory we believe you refer to as "Great Hanika." As this territory is located unacceptably close to Salzland, and your nation has a history of launching campaigns of aggression, and we note that your troop levels in this territory have increased exponentionally over the last 24 hours, at this time we feel that the deployment of Roef-ian armed forces to this territory poses an imminent threat to Salzland National Security.

As such, we ask that all Roef-ian armed forces be removed from this territory within 24 hours, or rest assured that we will take action to remove them by force.

Signed,

J. Marcus Davis
Minister for Foreign Relations

Jian read the telegram again as he looked at Lee.

"Why don't you ever talk to Roef idoits?" asked Jian to Lee.

"My way is with the sword Jian," replied Lee as he pulled out his Hell-Froged Longsword from his side belt. "Besides, why are we sending the Jack of Diamonds anyway?"

"Not only have they bribed us to turn a blind eye to their past deeds," started Jian as he pulled out a map and the direction Jack of Diamonds was heading. "They are trying to pick a fight with us. We can't let them know Vamp is away at the moment. How soon until Woff gets here?"

"He's an hours flight from Lynscert Island. Why?" replied Lee.

"He might be able to help us," replied Jian as he tapped on Roef and the new found island.

ooc why on earth have you not change it to Drilling for oil

OOC: Roef could be a bit slow at changing things. Let Roef have a bit of time.

To: Salzland

From: Roef

I think you are wrong. This lands, are a few miles from Roef lands. That woud mean, that you are close to me, so that you can understand, No, i will not retread. I know what you are doing, or trying to do. You are going to mine the oil, and keep it for yourself. This is a roef claimed lands, or the papers are being signed around now. This is now a roef territory. If you are scared, send an attack, and try to match to my RTh-47 MBT, and my light tanks, and all those troops. I hope i made myself clear.

OOC: Oh I'm going to enjoy watching this.

To: The Government of Roef
From: Office of the Minister for Foreign Relations, Salzland
CC: Nations of the World

Sirs,

You may 'think' whatever you like, but the fact of the matter remains that our satellite tracking indicates that your forces have had to travel up to 48 hours by ship just to arrive in this territory. By ship, averaging 10 knots per hour, that would put this "new" territory nearly 500 miles from Roef proper. As such, we flat out reject your contention that this territory is only "a few miles from Roef lands."

We have no knowledge of any oil or other resources present on this island, and your revelation that there are comes as a surprise to this Government. As Salzland already produces enough oil domestically to meet its own needs, we are willing to go on the record and publicly renounce any interest in the resources in this territory. Upon the removal of Roef troops from this island, we will have no problem letting these resources remain where they are. Failing that, they will be opened up to fair bidding contracts from private corporations around the world. Salzland only cares about one thing in this matter, and that is maintaining its National Security. All other concerns are irrelevant.

If the official response of the Roef Government is war, then Salzland has no choice but to respond in kind. As of 11:52 AM Local Time, per majority votes in both houses of Congress and signature by the President, a state of war now exists between our nations.

We attempted to settle this issue peacefully. Now we will settle it through force.

Signed,

J. Marcus Davis
Minister for Foreign Relations

OOC: Will either edit an ORBAT into this post, or make a new one, once I figure out just how much overwhelming firepower to bring down.

OOC: Oh dear, Salzland caught you out.

Goodbye Roef

EDIT: I should also point out that since all nations Nautical Borders are around 25 nautical miles in every direction from their nation, 500 miles away would make it anyones land, not part of Roef.

People's Republic
Alversia
Ministry of Foreign Affairs

The Alversian People's Republic has watched the escalating conflict in this area with growing concern with regards to the peace in this area. We have since been informed that a state of war has been declared between the nations of Salzland and Roef. As we do not desire to see the body count of this conflict escalate, we are willing to permit both nations to send Deligates to our own country, neutral territory and try to gain a peaceful and bloodless end to, what can only be, a short war.

Yours Sincerely,

Robert McCrawley
Minister for Foreign Affairs

OOC: Nah, i dont care if he did. Than its war.

IC:

To:Office of the Minister for Foreign Relations, Salzland

From: Sergeant Hollister

Very well. As first, our nation did not even used ships to get to this land. It isnt an island, and if it is, it is still in the waters of Roef. So, in this case you are the war maker, the troubble maker. And, if your nation do's produce oil, do's not mean, our do's to. Our nations oil is drilled, and over. This island is more worth to us, than the lives it will cost. Thank you.


OOC: And remember, no nukes. No invasion on your nation or mine, only on the land itself.


More IC:

As the state of war, Roef re-acts with sending 50.000 new troops. And with tanks, 400 new RTH-47 MBT, and 200 light tanks. The army is heading there now, and as the island is within miles from Roef, they will arrive in an hour or less.

To: The People's Republic of Alversia, Care of Minister Robert McCrawley
From: Office of the Minister for Foreign Relations, Salzland

Sir,

We are more than willing to enter into negotiations aimed at achieving a diplomatic solution to this incident. The only condition the Armed Republic requires to be met is the removal of Roef-ian armed forces and claims from this territory. We will not tolerate a hostile regime stationing tens of thousands of troops within cruise missile range of our nation.

Salzland would like to acquire this territory, in order to secure its territory from any potential threats. We are more than willing to prohibit any Salzland nationals from participating in, and in general waive any national claims for taking part in the mining, drilling, harvesting or extraction of any resources from this territory, in exchange for the security provided by maintaining control over this land.

We eagerly await your response, sir.

Signed,

J. Marcus Davis
Minister for Foreign Relations

People's Republic
Alversia
Ministry of Foreign Affairs

The Alversian People's Republic has watched the escalating conflict in this area with growing concern with regards to the peace in this area. We have since been informed that a state of war has been declared between the nations of Salzland and Roef. As we do not desire to see the body count of this conflict escalate, we are willing to permit both nations to send Deligates to our own country, neutral territory and try to gain a peaceful and bloodless end to, what can only be, a short war.

Yours Sincerely,

Robert McCrawley

To: Robert McCrawley

From: Sergeant Hollister, head of operations in Great Hanika

We will accept. As this island in within miles from roef, there is no change our forces will attack salzland. But i think he just wants war and oil.
If he agree's to, we can begin.
But beware, it will make no sense, if you try to make me leave the land. This coud change the act in Roef, the economy, and the money problems. We coud sell the oil, and get a lot of money from it. Our forces are well trained, and want, and will, defend and conquer the rest of the land. Thank you.

ooc Alversia outside of FT RPing :eek:

IC:

To: Office of the Minister for Foreign Relations, Salzland

From: Sergeant Hollister

Very well. As first, our nation did not even used ships to get to this land. It isnt an island, and if it is, it is still in the waters of Roef. So, in this case you are the war maker, the troubble maker. And, if your nation do's produce oil, do's not mean, our do's to. Our nations oil is drilled, and over. This island is more worth to us, than the lives it will cost. Thank you.



To: Sergeant Hollister
From: Office of the Minister for Foreign Relations
CC: Nations of the World

Sir,

We have indisputable satellite surveillance proving that your troops have travelled 500 miles to reach this territory (OOC: AKA Post #8, detailing how Roef had to wait two days for tanks to arrive at the territory after a "long trip"), rather than the few miles that you claim. No nation's boundaries extend for 500 miles, nor will Salzland recognize your claims that this territory is yours.

As your nation refused to accept a diplomatic solution to this incident, the Armed Republic is forced to wage war in order to remove the threat to our National Security posed by your military's presence in this territory. Additionally, as your nation continues to insist on using diplomatic channels to provoke conflict, until the conclusion of this war all diplomatic relations between Salzland and Roef, barring the peace negotiations sponsored by Alversia, are hereby cut off and closed.

Signed,

J. Marcus Davis
Minister for Foreign Relations

To: Sergeant Hollister of Roef. Officer of Foreign Relations, Salzland.
From: Robert McCrawley

The Alversian People's Republic disapproves of the hardline and militaristic attitude being adopted by the Roef-ian Military. This conference is intended to ensure that there will be no need to deploy the Armed Forces of either Nation. As such, we shall propose the following to both nations:

1) Both sides shall withdraw all armed forces to a position six miles from the area in question and thus create a Demilitarised Zone between both nations.

2) In the interests of the Roef-ian economy and with assurances from the Salzland Government that they do not need the capital as much, we propose that Roef be given a monopoly over the oil in the region with the provision of privatising certain areas once the oil money has stabilised the Roef-ian economy.

3) We propose that nationals of both sides be permitted in the area without fear of harressment or discrimination, providing jobs for those of both nations.

4) Neither side shall bring firearms of any kind into the DMZ with the exception of Law Enforcement with must remain in proportion with the population of the area.

Are both sides in agreement with the articles laid down in this Treaty?

We await your reply.

Robert McCrawley


OOC: BTW Roef, why is a Sergeant in charge of a military force? A Sergeant is not even a commissioned Officer. One above Corporal and one below Lieutenant.

ooc Alversia outside of FT RPing :eek:

OOC: Believe it :D

Provisional Salzland ORBAT

Naval Detachment

Gerald R. Ford-Class Aircraft Carriers: 6 (SDFS Dauntless, Defiant, Intrepid, Liberator, Victorious and Resolute)
Carrier Air Groups: 6 (one per carrier, see Wikipedia for composition (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carrier_air_wing))
Modernized Iowa Class Nuclear-Powered Battleship: 18 (3 per battle group)
Ticonderoga-Class Cruisers: 24 (4 per battle group)
Arleigh Burke-Class Destroyers: 36 (6 per group)
Oliver Hazard Perry-Class Frigates: 60 (10 per group)
USS Virginia-Class SSN: 24 (4 per group)
Supply-Class T-AOE Combat Logistics vessels: 18 (3 per group)

Air Detachment

12 F-22 Air Superiority Wings (72 fighters/wing)
3 F-15C Air Superiority Wings (72 fighters/wing)
7 F-15E Ground Attack Wings (72 fighters/wing)
4 A-10 Thunderbolt II Ground Attack Wing (72 aircraft/wing)
3 Squadrons of B-2 Spirits (16 bombers/squadron)
2 Squadron of B-1 Lancers (16 bombers/squadron)
2 Squadron of B-52 Bombers (16 bombers/squadron)
2 Wings of KC-135 Tankers (60 aircraft/wing)

500 AH-64D Apache Gunships
1050 OH-58D Kiowa Scout helicopters
600 UH-60 Blackhawks

Various C-130 and C-17 transport aircraft

Ground Detachment*

30 Divisions of Salzland Defense Force Marines (10,000 men/division)
-20 Mechanized Infantry Divisions
-10 Armored Divisions

Organized into 3 Corps (2-4th Corps) each of 10 Divisions

Mech. Infantry Division:
-160 M1A2 Tanks
-200 M2A3 Bradley APCs
-30 M-109 Paladin Self-Propelled guns
-10 M-270 MLRS
(4,000) Armored + Maintenance personnel
(6,000) Combat Infantry

Armored Division:
-320 M1A2 Tanks
-300 M2A3 Bradley APCs-50 M-109 Paladin Self-Propelled guns
-25 M-270 MLRS
(5,500) Armored + Maintenance personnel
(4,500) Combat Infantry

Totals:
6,400 M1A2 Tanks
7,000 M2A3 Bradley APCs
1,100 M-109 Paladin Self-Propelled guns
450 M-270 MLRS
135,000 Armored + Maintenance personnel
165,000 Combat Infantry
*Ground totals excluding Air Defense battalions, unit transportation (humm-vees, trucks, etc.), logistics assets, organic units to the divisions.

Strategic and Tactical Missile Defenses in Theater

200 Falkasian BI-4 Missile Defense satellites
350 Falkasian BI-3 Missile Defense satellites
200 LIM-49 Spartan Block II Anti-Ballistic Missiles
400 Sprint Block II Anti-Ballistic Missiles
12 Patriot PAC-3 sites
25 MEADS sites
Various SAM sites, Ticonderoga and Arleigh Burke vessels, etc.

To: Sergeant Hollister of Roef. Officer of Foreign Relations, Salzland.
From: Robert McCrawley

The Alversian People's Republic disapproves of the hardline and militaristic attitude being adopted by the Roef-ian Military. This conference is intended to ensure that there will be no need to deploy the Armed Forces of either Nation. As such, we shall propose the following to both nations:

1) Both sides shall withdraw all armed forces to a position six miles from the area in question and thus create a Demilitarised Zone between both nations.

2) In the interests of the Roef-ian economy and with assurances from the Salzland Government that they do not need the capital as much, we propose that Roef be given a monopoly over the oil in the region with the provision of privatising certain areas once the oil money has stabilised the Roef-ian economy.

3) We propose that nationals of both sides be permitted in the area without fear of harressment or discrimination, providing jobs for those of both nations.

4) Neither side shall bring firearms of any kind into the DMZ with the exception of Law Enforcement with must remain in proportion with the population of the area.

Are both sides in agreement with the articles laid down in this Treaty?

We await your reply.

Robert McCrawley


OOC: BTW Roef, why is a Sergeant in charge of a military force? A Sergeant is not even a commissioned Officer. One above Corporal and one below Lieutenant.



OOC: Believe it :D

OOC: This went up while I was typing... Also, about to leave for 4 hours of classes, so I'll be unavailable until then.

IC:

To: Robert McCrawley
From: Office of the Minister for Foreign Relations
CC: Nations of the World

Sir,

Proposals #1, #3 and #4 are immediately acceptable. However, for Proposal #2, the Armed Republic would much prefer resource control be opened to bid contracts from the international community at large, in the interests of fairness.

As the nation of Roef initiated hostilities in this matter, we will await the Roef-ian response, before signalling our acceptance of the conventions laid down in this proposal.

Thank you again for your willingness to mediate.

Signed,

J. Marcus Davis
Minister for Foreign Relations

OOC: How many people are involved? bad rules or not, he did state that he didn't want millions of troops and the sheer amount of personell(Logistics included) with the force you have right there...

OOC: How many people are involved? bad rules or not, he did state that he didn't want millions of troops and the sheer amount of personell(Logistics included) with the force you have right there...

OOC: I take my national security very seriously:D. Also, he later clarified that he didn't want millions of troops deployed for the invasion of homelands. Anything kept to this territory (besides WMDs), at least as far as I interpret it, is okay.

I mean, he's already got over 75,000 troops deployed, plus Armor, logistics, etcetera, so how am I going to drive him out if I'm limited to throwing an equal number of troops at an enemy sitting behind prepared defenses, expecting an attack? Right now it's basically my 300k ground troops versus his 75k, which is just over a 3:1 advantage, which is traditionally the accepted ratio for a successful attack.

135,000 Armored + Maintenance personnel
165,000 Combat Infantry

300,000 there, and the usual ratio for logistics is anywhere from 5:1 to 20:1. Either way, you're way over the limit. But, since he only said that about his homeland, have at it.:p

OOC: BTW Roef, why is a Sergeant in charge of a military force? A Sergeant is not even a commissioned Officer. One above Corporal and one below Lieutenant.
ooc
indeed


OOC: Believe it :D

just remind to keep your tech apart :P

OOC: I dont want millions of troops for each nation. Together, rather not, but i woud accept.

IC:
To: Robert McCrawley

From: Sergeant Hollister

A i will accept these terms, but i want the right to drill for the oil. He already stated he lcaims, it, but no. This is my oil. And i dont want you all to mess with it. If you give me a right to build facotry's, drill for oil and bring a lot of civilians and workers, i will take away my soldiers. I want to drill this oil, otherwise we got a big problem, but there will be a other way, a, i think, unfriendly way and a agressive. I just want the oil, to make sure the Roef economy will rise. Thank you.

OOC: Yes, but if you send 300k troops, i will to, or as much as possible. And that army is kinda useless, as it is a piece of land, with not a lot of water. You can enter it with ships from your nation.

IC:
All troops active, not defending,or dead atleast, in Roef where sended to make sure the oil was for me. As Salzland got 300.000 troops, they want more troops. Around 250.000 are heading there.

To: All nations involved.

From: Sergeant Hollister

As you might know, i sended a lot of troops. This is, because i dont trust Salzland, and as he got 300.000 troops around it, and it is my land, i think i got a right to send some troops to make sure i got more. If we find a good way, all troops will be sended back.

OC: I want? I sent? We're talking about a country here Roef, not one man.

IC:

To: Who it concerns on both sides,

Taking into account what both sides have stated with regards to Article II. We have decided to rewrite it to try and bring both sides to peace. However, we beg both sides to cease military build ups until negoitiations have broken down and there is no alternative.

We have expressed our disapproval already at the militaristic and undiplomatic attitudes of the Roef-ians, who have yet to express a desire to end any hostilities and, in fact, seem eager to encourage them.

Therefore, we amend Article II to express the following:

2) In the interests of the Roef-ian Economy, we suggest that the oil be sold to any bidders and that the Roef-ian Government recieves a tax from the Installations there to help float her economy.

We await your replies

Robert McCrawley

(OOC: I can see why you all fall out with Roef so much)

To:Robert McCrawley

From: Sergeant Hollister, head of operations in Great Hanika

Ah. That means? We sell the oil, and others get it? I ment, i want the oil, use a bit of it, sell it or do something else with it. If i get the oil, and the right to drill on the land, i accept to cease all military operations. And, i am sending 250.000 soldiers. To make, that our force are bigger than Salzlands, to make sure he wont attack. This isnt for a war fact, only if he attacks.

(OOC: I can see why you all fall out with Roef so much)

OOC: Well, if he just took on board the advice we've all tried to give him, maybe he'd be a better RPer.

135,000 Armored + Maintenance personnel
165,000 Combat Infantry

300,000 there, and the usual ratio for logistics is anywhere from 5:1 to 20:1. Either way, you're way over the limit. But, since he only said that about his homeland, have at it.:p

OOC: Like I said, 300k ground troops for me (including Armored) versus his 75k infantry, excluding Armored, etc. Plus he has unspecified naval deployments, air forces that I'm sure will arise, and his own logistics corps necessary to supply his forces across over 500 miles of ocean.

Plus, as I've noticed, Canedian Army (er, I mean Roef... gotta get that right), has already warped in an extra quarter of a million troops. Which, I will state right now, will not be arriving uncontested.

*****

IC:

To: The Alversian Foreign Ministry
From: Office of the Minister for Foreign Relations, Salzland
CC: Nations of the World

Sirs,

As the Nation of Roef has refused to compromise on even one issue in your peace proposal, and in fact has made movements to deploy an additional massive force to the territory in question, the Government of Salzland has no choice left but to conclude that the Nation of Roef is dead-set on going to war. As such, the Armed Republic must respond in kind and is taking actions to ensure that the re-infocing Roef units do not arrive in this territory.

One oversight which was noted after posting our previous message (OOC: While I was in class) was the matter of what would be done with the bids filled for resource extraction in this territory. All funds raised in awarding bids will be donated to the International Red Cross, for global disaster relief and humanitarian aid. The funds raised from the extraction and sale of the resources themselves will be reserved for the corporations that extract and sell them. As already mentioned, beyond National Security Salzland maintains no other interests in this territory.

We have attempted to reach a diplomatic solution in which no party maintains military forces in this territory. We will not stand idle while Roef moves hundreds of thousands of soldiers to within a few hundred miles of Salzland proper. Nor will we support rewarding Roef's actions with financial subsidies.

We humbly thank the Government of Alversia for attempting to mediate this conflict, but the only course forward is now clear. The Armed Republic has had war thrust upon it, and must respond in kind.

Signed,

J. Marcus Davis
Minsiter for Foreign Relations

*****

Open ocean, 200 miles from "Great Hanika"

The SDFS Gauntlet, a Virginia-Class submarine, had been stalking the Roef-ian transport vessels since they had left harbor on their two day journey to "Great Hanika." Dozens of vessels stretched across the sea, bringing hundreds of thousands of men to the territory, in an effort to bolster its defenses. This action was unacceptable to Salzland, and taken in context with the earlier mutual declarations of war between Roef and Salzland, provided the Gauntlet with a prime target.

Located 40 miles from the convoy, well outside any anti-submarine networks, the Gauntlet rose to a depth of fifteen meters, preparing to fire its entire complement of Harpoon anti-ship missiles. Five other Virginia-Class vessels were operating at similar distances, preparing to launch a first-strike that would hopefully send a decent chunk of the Roef armed forces to the bottom.

Based on Roef's economy, and the sheer scale of their deployment to this territory, Salzland's military advisors believed that they would simply be unable to keep any meaningful deployment on the island for more than a few months. As such, the first step of Salzland's operations against Roef would consist of interdicting Roef's shipping and starving the Roef-ians out. There were only so many vessels in the Roef-ian naval and shipping fleets capable of supplying such a large force. Many of them would go to the bottom tonight.

"Fire all tubes," called Captain Lewis Smith, as the Gauntlet acquired targets for its Harpoons. The vessel shook slightly as each Harpoon was pushed out, floating in a buoyant capsule until it reached the surface, where its rocket motors ignited and propelled it toward the Roef-ian transports. The first missiles would cross the distance in a matter of minutes, arriving just as the second salvo took flight. There would be no mistaking this action: the Armed Republic would not stand by and let Roef pose an imminent threat to its national security.

To: All parties

It seems that all attempts at peace have broken down against the wall of Roef-ian stubborness. It seems like the price of oil is worth the deaths of several thousands on both sides and we condemn their government for it's lack of compassion for it's citizens as well as for it's corporate greed. We wish the Armed Republic of Salzland all the best in it's way and inform that the thoughts and prayers of the Alversian people will be with your soldiers.

Robert McCrawley

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Secret Communique to the Armed Republic of Salzland
We have noted the Roef-ian build up in the area with some concern and our fears have not been alleviated by their refusal to co-operate with the international community towards the goal of peace in this region. With this in mind and with the best interests of her own people at heart, we would like the chance to send 'Volunteers' from the Alversian People's Army to the campaign and attach them to Salzland Forces fighting in the area. With regards to equipment and organisation, we can leave that up to you, it is for you to decide how such volunteers could be best employed in your own military.

For the record, we suspect as many as 10,000 Men may wish to volunteer for frontline and rear area duties. WOuld it be possible to organise this into a Unit within your army? The APA would pay any wages for these troops during their time in your forces.

Best regards

Field Marshall Coy
Commander of the APA

OOC: Roef, just what is to stop me annhilating your 250,000 troops and the oil fields using a barrage of conventional bombs and saving Salzland the trouble of fighting a massive and bloody ground war?

You said no Nukes, but I could easily use conventional bombs to flatten the island, or I could employ some of Pale Rider Arms' Biological Weapons. I would suggest you make peace with Salzland, as a fight with him is one you cannot win, no matter how many troops you materialise on that island.

OOC: Roef, just what is to stop me annhilating your 250,000 troops and the oil fields using a barrage of conventional bombs and saving Salzland the trouble of fighting a massive and bloody ground war?

OOC: Cause there's no RP in that ^^

OOC: Cause there's no RP in that ^^

OOC: And? That would be par for the course with Roef. There's no RP in this anyway, especially if Roef keeps changing where these Oil Fields are.

Besides, this will only end with Roef utterly defeated anyway. He has no idea how to RP properly, and don't get me wrong, I have tried giving him advice - but these sort of threads keep appearing. Maybe the only way to show him is to obliterate his military forces and show him that his threats of war are empty threats.

OOC: Sorry for the very underwhelming post. I'm rather swamped with work at the moment.

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Official Communique from the Volzgradien Government

Due to the massive breakdown in diplomatic relations in this conflict and the long standing grudge between Volzgrad and the nation of Roef, I would like to, as of now, declare a full state of war against the nation of Roef. With the rapidly increasing militarization of Roef and it's leader's blatant attempt to gain Internationally owned land, we in Volzgrad believe that now is the time to take action and stop Roef before further damage can be done.

On that statement, I would like to confirm the deployment of 25,000 Volzgradien Patriotic Army soldiers and 20 vessels of the Volzgradien Liberation Navy. Currently, the 300th and 400th Siege Regiments along with the 31st Assault Fleet have been earmarked for this great honor. The Volzgradien Parliament would also like to declare it's full support of the nations of Salzland and Holy Marsh.

Signed,
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OOC: Sorry for the very underwhelming post. I'm rather swamped with work at the moment.

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Official Communique from the Volzgradien Government

Due to the massive breakdown in diplomatic relations in this conflict and the long standing grudge between Volzgrad and the nation of Roef, I would like to, as of now, declare a full state of war against the nation of Roef. With the rapidly increasing militarization of Roef and it's leader's blatant attempt to gain Internationally owned land, we in Volzgrad believe that now is the time to take action and stop Roef before further damage can be done.

On that statement, I would like to confirm the deployment of 25,000 Volzgradien Patriotic Army soldiers and 20 vessels of the Volzgradien Liberation Navy. Currently, the 300th and 400th Siege Regiments along with the 31st Assault Fleet have been earmarked for this great honor. The Volzgradien Parliament would also like to declare it's full support of the nations of Salzland and Holy Marsh.

Signed,
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OOC: See what I mean? This will only end badly for Roef. Oh well...

OFFICIAL STATEMENT TO ALL INVOLVED NATIONS

All Ustian Military Forces are now at Alert Condition 2. Any offensice movement of Roefian Troops against Salzland or Volzgradian forces will be met with swift and cataclysmic consequences. All Roefian Military Forces will stand down and vacate the area where Oil has been found immediately, or will suffer the consequences.

Good Day Sir!

MESSAGE ENDS

OOC: I would kindly ask that this not turn into a dogpile, because as past history has shown, that's only going to end in a full-on exchange of nuclear weapons, and Roef/CA getting upset and leaving again. I'm happy for the help, but ideally I'd like to keep the troop totals about equal, so that I get the satisfaction of cleaning Roef's clock using superior tactics.

Short/Secret IC (Because I have a Russian quiz to study for, and no time for my usual long posts): The Government of Salzland is happy to accept all aid offers received from the World.

OOC: Like I said, 300k ground troops for me (including Armored) versus his 75k infantry, excluding Armored, etc. Plus he has unspecified naval deployments, air forces that I'm sure will arise, and his own logistics corps necessary to supply his forces across over 500 miles of ocean.

Plus, as I've noticed, Canedian Army (er, I mean Roef... gotta get that right), has already warped in an extra quarter of a million troops. Which, I will state right now, will not be arriving uncontested.

OOC: You completely missed the point, but I'll let that go in the interest of seeing Roef get crushed under the weight of several nations.:p
@Volzgrad: Not involved in this fight. I just got back and am planning a civil war, I just like watching people who want to throw their weight around(Roef) who can't do it in any way, shape or form.XD

OOC: You completely missed the point, but I'll let that go in the interest of seeing Roef get crushed under the weight of several nations.:p
@Volzgrad: Not involved in this fight. I just got back and am planning a civil war, I just like watching people who want to throw their weight around(Roef) who can't do it in any way, shape or form.XD

OOC: Oh well, it made my unacceptably short post slightly longer.

OOC: I would kindly ask that this not turn into a dogpile, because as past history has shown, that's only going to end in a full-on exchange of nuclear weapons, and Roef/CA getting upset and leaving again. I'm happy for the help, but ideally I'd like to keep the troop totals about equal, so that I get the satisfaction of cleaning Roef's clock using superior tactics.

OOC: Well, I have no intention of using Nukes. If he does, I will simply swat them from the sky using the Excaliber Missile Defence System.

And if he doesn't want to get dogpiled again, he should accept the advice we've been giving him!

OOC: That's why I'm only sending a comparitively small force of men. I prefer character RPs anyway ^^
Does Roef do this a lot then?

An Official Declaration of War to the Nation of Roef

Due to unanimous votes in both houses of congress and the consent of the president of Ursava, as of 11:30 this morning a state of war has been stated against the nation of Roef.

Any and all communications, save for any pre-arranged peace-talks by any third party, have been severed between Roef and Ursava.

We have studied this situation and found that your actions seem to be encouraging other nations to act in a violent manner because apparently you want a war. Well the nation of Ursava is glad to grant such a foolish wish to your country and it's inferiorly(OOC: I think that's how it's spelled) trained country's military and we will not stop until the following demands have been met by the country of Roef:


The withdrawing of all Roefian military forces.

The abandoning of all Roefian drilling facilities.


These are only two requests and if you deny them it will become clear to the Ursavian government that the Roefian government seeks nothing but war. Until these are met, expect nothing but war from the country of Ursava.


******


The two aircraft carriers and their escorts moved along through the ocean around the island carrying a lethally armed load of infantry, armor, and aircraft to combat the Roefian forces on the island.

The ships were just within sight of the island, it being a tiny speck upon the horizon to anybody on the bridges of the ships. With this, landing craft began to head for the beaches laiden with Leopard II tanks and Naval Marines. They sloshed through the waters around the island on their way to the beaches.

They approached the beaches at a decent pace and the loading ramps began to drop down while the Naval Marines and the Leopard IIs began to deploy on to the beach. The tanks fired their smoke grenades to make a sheild from expected enemy fire but when they came under none. the Naval Marines began to fortify the beach and set up a command station. After this, they would move farther in-land where they would try and find a place to land heavier aircraft and thus have more supplies coming in faster than the Roefians could probably manage.




To: All the Nations of the World (save for Roef).
From: The Government of Ursava.

Any who have read our declaration can tell that as of this moment, we are at war with Roef. To us it is apparent that they have been attempting to aggrivate other nations in an attempt to seem tougher than they actually are. We have made a beach-front for any willing to attempt war and will only stop if a third party is willing to arrange a peace meeting. Until then, expect nothing but violence against the Roefian forces on the island until they withdraw from the island entirely.



OOC: Yes, he does do this often Alversia. Anyways, I didn't post an ORBAT because my force is simply holding a beach-front for any other invading force.

OOC: Alversia: Oh yeah, he does this all the time.

OOC: Ursava, I'd be careful about the beachhead because he does have Naval units around, plus 75k troops already on the island, with more heading in. The cavalry will be arriving soon, however.

OOC: I have two aircraft carriers complete with escorts. Not only is my gear more advanced (slightly), my people are better trained. Also, anybody (besides Roef...obviously) is free to use the beach-head as a landing zone for your men.

OOC: Here's my prediction of this thread. (http://i285.photobucket.com/albums/ll43/Vulture_77/33750059_e8380343d5.jpg)

OOC: You sir, have made my day.

Encryption: Extremely High
TO: Coalition Forces waging war against Roef
FROM: Vamperial Kingdom of Lynion, Vamperial Grand Headmaster Woff

We have seen the current situation near Roef and with your kind permission, I wish to dispatch 4th and 3rd Carrier Aramda's from Lynion and the 4th Imperial Australian Armada from Imperial Australia. Attach to this will be the 6th Lynion Assassin Division and 10th Lynion Hunter Division which will act as my ground force. The detachment is being gathered to be sent to the frontlines to help bring an end to Roef and its Forces

To: Vamperial Grand Headmaster Woff
From: Office of the Minister of Defense, Salzland
CC: Coalition Nations


Sir,

Having received your message, we feel it best at this time that your naval units move with all possible speed to re-inforce the advanced positions occupied by elements of the Ursavan armed forces. We fear that they are outnumbered by the Roef-ian units already present in this territory, and also fear that additional Roef divisions will arrive prior to the mobilization and deployment of the ground portions of the Salzland Defense Force detachment.

We wish to thank you for your offer of assistance, and wish good fortune upon your forces in the coming days.

Signed,

Ian Williams
Minister for Defense

No thats not it! Ofcourse you can send 100.000's of troops, but not millions! Not the full army! You can send troops, and attack me, but just dont nuke or sometihing like it.

IC:
"Sir. The oil is founded!, a lot of it! More than on the E-C erea!"
"Good lord! Go mine more! Until enemy's arrive, if they arrive anyway, we have to drill as much as possible! And, i want you to send a massage to the vamperial empire!!"
"What is the man named?"
"Lee soldier, but send this to him:"
"I dont know, just send this!".
"I know our nations have bin in war. But i think. that it was long enough. I want to ask you, to help me colect the oil. As repay, you will get 45 to 50% of the oil. Without blood, no weapons. If in need, we doud help each other, to defend our claimed lands. This is all i want to say. And if you dont want to get problems, or dont want to do this all, and dont want to know ANYTHING about it, than send a massage with "No". Thank you, and i got fully trust, that you are not yet planning attacks. But think about it. We woud be strong... So strong..."

"I will send sir!"
"Good, this coud rise the economy of Roef to higer than ever! Than we, the might Red-head army, woud be the best of the best in Roef!"
"Yes sir! Let us do it!"

OOC: I've just realised something that I didn't before. Roef wants to ally with me and he intends to do with giving me oil. Hahaha, now, here's something I've being doing and I've just realised, Roef buddy is opened to invasion.

Before I go on, I would like to state the following:

Roef Population is 598,000,000
His defence budget is $194,767,346,592.00

To prove my point here is what I did which is based on theory because I don't know the numbers in his military.

If he had 1% which is 5,980,000 of his population in his military forces he would have $32,569.79 to spend on personal and I thought...let's go lower.

If he had 0.5% which is 2,990,000 of his population in his military forces, Roef would have $65,139.58 to spend on personal and that (in my opioin) isn't enough.

Let's go even lower.

If he had 0.25% which is 1,495,000 of his population in his military forces, Roef would have $130,279.16 to spend on personal. If Roef Military Forces have an average of $70,000 for payment (its AVERAGE!!) that leaves $90,117,346,590.00 to spend on training, food supplies, equipment, armour etcra...

Let's say he goes with 0.25%, and Roef has sent 325,000 men to the island, he has 1,170,000 to defend his homeland. If Coalition Forces massacare Roef Forces, Roef would be open to an invasion force that wouldn't need to be over a million to take on Roef military forces.

At Roef, I suggest you watch the deployment of your troops. If you send too much and the bulk of them gets masscare, (chance of that is very high) then you'll have a weak military force open for invasion. You need to keep an eye on your economy and how powerful your military budget is going because you need to pay your men, supply them, train them etcra...

OOC: Let's leave homelands out of this... Roef made it very clear that this thread is only for fighting over the territory. I understand where you're coming from, but I don't want this to get ignore-cannoned before I get at least a few good shots in

TO: Office of the Minister of Defense, Salzland
FROM: Vamperial Grand Headmaster Woff, Vamperial Kingdom of Lynion

I have sent my very best. I can't send my elite verten's at the moment as they are returning from the Pirate Alliance War. However, I have a feeling if we can massacare Roef troops here, his homeland is open to invasion. I'm going to give Coalition Forces permission to harbour at the Colony of Lynx which can be used as a base of operations. I'm also going to send three army corps to Lynx Island to ensure it doesn't get invaded (around 300,000 men) by Roef.

The detachment is numbering close to 400 warships and around 50,000 Spec Ops as they are the only force able to be sent at this time. I have sent Vamperial Headmaster Tal Rasha and he is an excellent tactican, military leader and brilliant with attacks.

Good luck.

OOC: I'm trying to help Roef about his military deployment. The Invasion of his Homeland is a massive what if... because his thread states we can't.

OOC: Yeah, Lynion, that was my mistake. I'm kind of sick, so I mis-read your intentions there.

IC:

300 Miles West of 'Great Hanika'

Admiral Lawrence Salvatore, commander of the Salzland Third Fleet and overall commander of the Salzland Defense Force Naval detachment, strode through the Combat Information Center of the SDFS Defiant with a smile on his face. Counting the Allied units pouring in to support them, over five hundred vessels were gathered to confront the Roef naval forces surrounding 'Great Hanika.' And if all went according to plan, the SDFS Gauntlet would be firing the first shots of the war to take 'Great Hanika' momentarily.

The large island was only a few hundred miles from Salzland proper, placing it well within missile range for any hostile nation hoping to launch a surprise attack on Salzland. Now that threat was materializing, and it was up to the Coalition to ensure that it would not come to pass. Air support from the mainland, supported by a veritable fleet of KC-135 tankers, was already supplementing the carriers' own air groups and escort vessels, ensured that any Roef aviators that came close would be mercilessly destroyed. Meanwhile, P-3 Orions based off of the carriers dropped strings of sonar buoys in along the perimeters of the battlegroups, searching for enemy submarines. They were supplemented by over 50 Oliver Hazard Perry-Class Frigates, pinging away with their active sonar and acting as a screen for the fleet proper, and even further out, 18 Virginia-Class submarines hunting for any of their Roef-ian counterparts.

It would be another 18 hours before the fleet entered weapons range, leaving the Ursavan detachment of the Coalition fleet hanging precariously until then. Plans had been made to make practically unlimited air support available for the Ursavans, and allied fleets dispatched by Lynion were vectored in to support. Should the Ursavans hold out long enough, the rapidly marshalling elements of the Salzland Defense Force Marines would have a clean disembarking point on 'Great Hanika.' This would allow them time to organize and get into the fight, without having to make a costly beach assault against heavily fortified positions.

Now all the Admiral could do was wait for the battle to be joined.

OOC: we all make mistakes mate, no harm done. I'll presume its MT

IC:

The fleets were dispatched under the command of Vamperial Demonic Headmaster Tal Rasha. It was his first major command since the Last Pirate War and his second command was Vamperial Master Jin who was eager to head for battle.

"We'll be providing naval supremcey around this island and for the Coalition Forces. Our fighters will be providing us and the Coalition Forces air support and our ground troops will be part of the advancing parties," started Tal Rasha in an icy deep voice. "When we're close to the island, dispatch the Assassin's and the Hunters to help with the advancing forces,"

"Will be done Tal Rasha," replied Jin as he made preparations for the troops to be prepared for a landing.

The armada's were about two hours sail from the island and their numbers were 420 warships with seven carriers.

The Ursavian Naval Marines were digging...that's really all they were doing with their barbed wire, machine-gun nests, guard positions, and the tanks surrounded by sand-bags on three sides they were simply digging extra positions in order to better defence in the event that the original emplacements were destoryed.

Besides that, there was a reserve near the medical tents, mess halls, command center, and generally along the coast-line in order to punch out any attacks by Roefian forces who might attempt to take back the beach-head from the coalition forces. They would make sure that any and all attempts to take the beach would be stopped while Salzland and other military forces in the area would touch down without a costly beach assault.

Meanwhile, on one of the two aircraft carriers paratroopers of the 22nd 'Raging Bears' were being prepped to drop in what seemed to be, according to spy sattalite images, a good landing zone for other aircraft on the island. They would not drop until other members of the coalition assault force had touched down and moved out.

"This is Vamperial and Australian warships calling Coalition Forces," started Tal Rasha. "We're just entered the island waters, how far are the Coalition Forces?"

The troop landing ships were preparing to disembark to the island as fighter squadrons were preparing to take off to join the fight. The Australian's were mainly made up of heavy cruisers, battleships, destroyers and frigates, while the Lynion's had carriers, frigates, destroyers, one dreadnought, battleships, heavy and light cruisers and AA Cruisers known as Swatters. The Demonic Armada was coming to the island.

OOC: Should Roef not be given a chance to reply to all this?

OOC: I think that's what we're waiting for.

OOC: I'm not IC replying until Roef actually does something RPable. As per usual, he has abandoned his thread when the heat gets turned on.

OOC: Fair enough Volzgrad. Did you see my post about his military budget and stuff like that?

OOC: Why would he provoke a war when he doesn't want to fight it?

OOC: Nations, you realise he doesn't have much of a military force? Wait...sorry! What I should say, Roef can't afford a massacare of his troops.

Anyhow, here's a list of chances I've put forward:

Chances of claiming the island: 1/5
Chances of gaining oil: 1/3
Chances of being cut off: 3/7
Chances of a war that he'll avoid: 7/10
Chances of a full scale massacare of Roef troops: Extremely High
Chances of leaving: Predictable.

OOC: Let's give him a chance to respond first, he apparently hasn't been on in the last 15 hours or so

OOC: He's due to come on within the hour.

OOC: A war on oil, again.

OOC: Some nations aren't interested with oil RBS but out for colony threats. I'm only in this conflict because I feel that Lynx is at stake of being attacked by Roef.

OOC: I'm only in because I'm RP-ing this territory as close enough to my country for a nation to launch a ton of cruise missiles at me in a sneak attack. And with Roef being a nation capable of doing such a thing, it's in my best interests to kick him out.

OOC: It could also be a time to knock some sense into Roef as well.

OOC: Then I will look at the situation then. If Roef attacks my colonies, I will do smth.

OOC: Then I will look at the situation then. If Roef attacks my colonies, I will do smth.

ooc so now you happen to have some colonies near Roef

OOC: Nono, I mean if he somehow attacks people's colonies for no reason, near or far.

OOC: Nono, I mean if he somehow attacks people's colonies for no reason, near or far.

ooc then you shouldn't used If Roef attacks my colonies

OOC: Lol.

If you didnt knew, he declared war, he got 300.000 troops there, and i knew he was going to attack I am REALY getting sick, of everybody, declaring war, because salzland claims, that every lands with oil, is in his region! I will ignore that, with all the attacks on me as i was offline and such. If you all want war, with me, just because i want some oil, you can all go to *BLEEP*ing *BLEEP*!

OOC: Calm down Roef. You can still drill oil in your controlled parts. I only did that post because you need to be carefuly of how far you stretch your military numbers. You can match his numbers, but you just need to be careful of how many you send.

OOC: No need to get so worked up Roef, you did bring this on yourself by refusing to compromise on my treaty. To clarify what I meant by giving some of the oil away was that you could sell the land for a couple of billion or million, then tax them, say 10% on all they produce so if they mine 100 billion pounds of oil, you get 10 billion in tax. At best, you make a killing, at worst, no one moves in and you mine it yourself.

There really is no need to be so childish.

If you didnt knew, he declared war, he got 300.000 troops there, and i knew he was going to attack I am REALY getting sick, of everybody, declaring war, because salzland claims, that every lands with oil, is in his region! I will ignore that, with all the attacks on me as i was offline and such. If you all want war, with me, just because i want some oil, you can all go to *BLEEP*ing *BLEEP*!

OOC: Then don't start threads about discovering oil and say that people can get involved, but when bigger nations show up you whine. Grow up and learn how to take advice and you'll do much better here.

ooc oh no now Alversia saying you can mine oil

OOC: you can't mine oil, you drill for oil! Can't anyone get it right?

OOC: No need to get so worked up Roef, you did bring this on yourself by refusing to compromise on my treaty. To clarify what I meant by giving some of the oil away was that you could sell the land for a couple of billion or million, then tax them, say 10% on all they produce so if they mine 100 billion pounds of oil, you get 10 billion in tax. At best, you make a killing, at worst, no one moves in and you mine it yourself.

There really is no need to be so childish.

REFUSE?! I didnt! I liked the idea of peace, until he declared war! He declared war, with the reason, that he thinks i cant have some troops on the place he got 300.000! I just want this oil, and i DO want to find a peacefull way. He dont want that. And if we gotta get war, i ask Salzland to fight me alone, if i win, i get the oil, if he wins, he gets it. Thats my idea, cus this isnt like i wanted it to bo.

OOC: Okay, one: I don't have any ground troops there yet. They haven't even left the Salzland mainland. All I have in the area are Naval and Air forces.

Two: I declared war once you refused to remove military forces from this territory. You could've left your civillians there and drilled for oil for as long as you wanted, instead you sent in over a quarter of a million troops (325,000 to be precise).

Three: If the only way I get to fight you is by doing it alone, then fine. So be it. When I win, I still intend to open any resources up to international corporations, and donate the proceeds to the Red Cross. Minus a portion for my expenses in securing the territory. You may begin by responding to my anti-ship missile attack.

If you can't handle a handful of nations attacking you with only a small numerical superiority, then you shouldn't make open threads.

OOC:

@Roef: Calm down. You have much right of sending troops to the island but if you look at what Salzland stated, he didn't wanted the oil because he wants to make sure national security on his homeland isn't threaten by the sudden numbers on the island by you Roef.

OOC: Roef, Then you should have called it invite only. You also should have read better- he sent the forces before he saw the treaty, then agreed to the treaty. Then you sent more. It is a lack of communication that is the problem. Calm down, this is a habit of yours.

OOC: you can't mine oil, you drill for oil! Can't anyone get it right?

OOC: Drill, mine, ignite, whatever, it's all good.

REFUSE?! I didnt! I liked the idea of peace, until he declared war! He declared war, with the reason, that he thinks i cant have some troops on the place he got 300.000! I just want this oil, and i DO want to find a peacefull way. He dont want that. And if we gotta get war, i ask Salzland to fight me alone, if i win, i get the oil, if he wins, he gets it. Thats my idea, cus this isnt like i wanted it to bo.

OOC: Both sides were under a treaty of truce. He would not have attacked you but you still built up military forces regardless. He didn't just 'suddenly' declare war, he declared war because you would not compromise on the ownership of the oil, insisting you have it all.

BTW, as no one has actually fired yet, may we actually sit down and try to resolve this without the obliteration of Roef?

OOC: I already fired at his troop convoys, via a wolfpack of Virginia-Class subs launching Harpoons at them. At this point I am unwilling to make further attempts at diplomacy. I feel my request for Roef to remove only his military forces from this territory were entirely reasonable, and in the face of a Roef-ian build-up instead, have no recourse except to go to war.

As Roef will not engage beyond a one on one, apparently, I believe this thread will become closed to just myself and Roef. Thank you to everyone who has offered support, and I look forward to receiving resource bids from your nations upon the successful conclusion of this operation.

OOC: Drill, mine, ignite, whatever, it's all good.


ooc no it's not all good, poeple want Roef to get better then he should have the right facts on things

OOC: You can use Lynx Colony for supplies if you require it. I'll dirvert the navy to Lynx for te time being.

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OOC: Them there's fightin' words! :p
In that case, I wish you the best of luck and I will be here should you need somewhere to discuss surrender terms

ooc no it's not all good, poeple want Roef to get better then he should have the right facts on things

OOC: I was referring to myself, I said mine as well ^^

OOC: I was referring to myself, I said mine as well ^^

ooc dam word with so many meanings

Yes, only me and Salzland. And i am very unhappy about the fact that you dont look for a peace way of ending this. And i want to tell you, and think of it, the attacks already made on me will be ignored as i was offline. Lets think of it like my troops arrvied, and are at the camp, and your troops just got to the beach of the island (i made island of it, as you stay saying its an island) Deal? I dont care if it is a deal... It is now.

OOC: We coud also make a new thread, closed and all. Like: Operation National security, or something like it, thare we can fight, and only fight there... I think its an good idea.

ooc can you for once not name a thread with Operation in it,as you starting to sound like the USA military

Yea, but i like the "Operation" part, it sounds cool.
But he isnt online, so ofcourse i wont attack him or such. I wait...

OOC: We coud also make a new thread, closed and all. Like: Operation National security, or something like it, thare we can fight, and only fight there... I think its an good idea.

More like;

Operation Let's Get Outta This Thread Pronto Before We Get Our Asses Handed To Us

Just roll with it Roef. Remember, you titled this thread [WAR], you can't get angry when people take you up on the offer.

Yea, but i like the "Operation" part, it sounds cool.
But he isnt online, so ofcourse i wont attack him or such. I wait...

ooc it's not cool when you use it for every thread you done that gone down hill

OOC: No, we keep it here. Plus, we're working from nearly opposite ends of the world, so attempting to only do anything while we're both online would be borderline impossible.

I deployed my Naval and Air forces, and launched an attack on your naval units. You may claim whatever damage you wish from that... say your ships shot down all but one of the Harpoons, whatever. But I will not allow myself to be limited to not being able to attack your supply lines while they're exposed, your re-inforcing troops while they're vulnerable (AKA before they arrive at the island, because contrary to popular belief you cannot just say "I deploy 250,000 troops and they arrive instantly"), and to only attacking during the short time of the day we're both online.

I have not claimed any damage, so there is nothing wrong with what I did. Welcome to Role Playing. You, also, are welcome to deploy forces and attempt to counter-attack my Air and Naval units (because they are the only ones that I will accept are in-theater, because they are the only units I have deployed). You may not, however, claim damage on my forces, just as I cannot on yours. Those are the rules.

OOC: Very well. Lets see like it if you just fired them. O, and i didnt even tell that i used navy's.

IC:

"Harpoons coming in!" screamed a commander at on of the ships.
"Return fire!" He yelled at his man. The soldiers took the guns, and some tryd to destroy the harpoons, but most fired back at the navy that fired the harpoon (s).
After a few seconds the commander yelled: "Full speed forward! Move to the island, and stay returning fire! Full steam forward!".
The ships started to go as fast as they coud, in hope to get away.
"I hit a ship! But i dont know if it is sinking, or it is bad..." Called a low level marine.
"Good soldier! I think that... SHIT! We lost the armaldia queen!"
The armaldia queen was hit by a lot of harpoons, and exploded as one hit the fire arsenal, and some hit the oil. The ship was sinking.
"What with the marines of the queen?" Yelled a almost crying soldier.
"I dont know... Send out the Beda-Qus, to take the surviving marines!"
The soldier, who was almsot crying, named John Herka, was crying, as his brother was on the queen.

OOC: Why are we fighting for oil? National security? You are safe if you let me drill the oil.

OOC: We're fighting because I gave peace a chance, and you decided that you wanted to fight instead. Now you have a war, and I was even kind enough to agree to make this a Closed thread, so that all of the other nations that wanted to jump in could not.

And yes, you've been bringing troops to this territory by sea since Post #8 in this thread, where you said that it took two days by ship for your troops to arrive. Additionally, you said that you were using warships to transport supplies and equipment to the territory, which is a horribly inefficient way to go about doing so. Plus, since you declared that this is in fact an island we're fighting over, the only ways to arrive are by air and sea, and if you're moving that many troops, and that much equipment and supplies, the only realistic way you can do so is by sea.

And I know about this in-character because, as I stated all the way back on page one or two, I have satellite surveillance showing this.

Edit: I should say to clarify that Post #8 had mentioned your troops arriving by ship, until it was edited out.

Edit#2: Also, at some point, I'd like to ask for you to provide an ORBAT, so that I know what sorts of units you're deploying here. You already have mine, so in my opinion it's only fair.

Edit#3: I'm not going to respond to your ships firing their guns at my subs, A.) Because even if you were using 16" guns or even ASROC (Anti-submarine rockets), my subs would still be out of range, and B.) Because my subs are underwater, and would thus have no way of knowing they were being shot at, even if they were within gun range.

IC:

As the first salvo of Harpoons struck home, each of the six Virginia-Class submarines fired off the last two missiles in their complements, sending a final twelve missiles towards the Roef fleet. The subs were too far away to observe the results of their strikes, but their orders were to launch from a safe distance, in order to prevent the Roef naval deployments from detecting and engaging them. Their mission complete, each submarine descended back to their normal operating depths and began to slowly move away from their launch positions, to avoid giving Roef-ian sonar operators any clues as to their location.

The subs weren't done yet, however. Each was assigned a kill box along the path of the Roef vessels on the way to 'Great Hanika,' where they would be free to use up to 16 of their 20 Mk. 48 ADCAP torpedoes to inflict as much damage as possible.

The war had begun.

The Ursavians were waiting, nothing more.

Leopard IIs, superior in training and more durable than the Roefian tanks, waited in rumbling impatients behind their sand-bag fortifications with thermal imagery scanning the environment around their beach-head.

Meanwhile soldiers lay prone at the front with others in the few guard towers, standing around, talking, eating, sleeping, or keeping stock of any and all medical supplies while the barely visible flash of explosions of the Salzland military forces could be seen off in the horizon. Right now all the Ursavians could really do was wait...simply wait for other nations to use their beach-head as a casualty-free landing zone and a way to reach other parts of 'Great Hanika' with relative ease.

OOC: I think I will join in the new war? LOL. Lynion, as your ally, I can help you if you wish.

OOC: You don't always have to follow my every step RBS and ask me what to do. If you want to join, inform Coalition Forces.

IC:

Vamoerial Headmaster Tal Rasha armada was about to near the island but it was going to take time to deploy the troops. The Imperial Australian's deployed into battle formation along the starboard flank while the Lynion transport ships started their approach to the island at the purposed landing zone that was granted by Coalition Forces.

"What do you think of this?" asked Tal Rasha to his second command Vamperial Master Jin.

"This should be easy for Coalition Forces," replied Jin. "The Roef would have to depend upon ships and air transport carriers to get their equipment to the island. If we cut off that route and beseiged the island, then Roef would have no chance but to surrender to Coalition Forces,"

"Have the Swatters on Code Rust and the heavy and light cruisers ready to fight if the Roef dare's to come anywhere near us," replied Tal Rasha. "This is Vamperial Headmaster Tal Rasha calling Coalition Beach, anyone there? We're preparing to land the Spec Ops,"

To: Coalition Forces
From: RBS

After observing the current crisis in Roef, we would like to join you in this battle.

OOC: It's been closed to just Roef and I, because otherwise Roef/CA already said he would just quit and kill the thread. I really do appreciate the offers to help, all, and if it were up to me then I'd say the more the merrier, even if it were limited to just a token contribution. But it's not. Sorry :(

OOC: First Roef states its open and now Roef says its closed. Roef, make up your mind!!

I didnt even say its open, i sad its not closed, but now it is.
O, and salzland, that list of sodleirs, i just sended a lot of tanks, the tanks you can find at my storefront, and a lot of soldiers with guns and mp5's.
And you cant just say NOW that they are out of range, you shoud have sad that first, so if i cant attack back, that attack will be ignored as you didnt state where you was, the rang and such.
IC:
The warships where heading close toward the island, and there was no attack jet, the soldiers where getting the feeling that they where safe. The commander of the fleet got a massage from President Algo:
"Some submarines are heading your way. Make sure all attacks will be defeaten, and be as fast as possible. I will come to the island after it is safe, with the best helicopter in Roef, the Seahawk. With me, a lot of other helicopters will arrive, carying some soldiers and a lot of weapons and ammo. After you arrive, start to build a place where helicopters can land. Understood?"
"LAND!" Yelled a soldier at the front of the ship.
"How far away?" Asked the commander. "An hour, maybe two, until we arrive."
"Good. Full speed?"
"We are on full speed, sir." "Good. Send a massage to them with the radio:"
"We will arrive in two hours or less. Wake up all troops, start to build a helicopter-landing place. President Algo is coming to us..."
The commander was finisht speaking. "Yes sir!" Sad the soldier who had spotted the island.

OOC: Can I ask a question Roef? What percentage of your population is in the military forces?

I guess about 1 or 2%. As 600 million, it is ofcourse more thsn 250.000...

OOC:

@Roef: I'm going to give you some advice you should know. Go to page 5, post 74.

I got all the information from Nationstates Dossiers and the purposed numbers were between 0.25% and 3%.

Nationstates Dossiers: http://nsdossier.texasregion.net/main.aspx

Type in Roef for your nation and it shows your budget. I suggest you get a better economy.

OOC: I am trying to do that yes, but i still think that around 2 or 1% is good.

IC:
As the first ship of the fleet arrived, thousands of troops runned up the island. It was not yet a strong thing, but some of the soldiers got the idea to build a wall, a bit stone and a lot of wood... even some mud...
The second ship arrived, and the fleet commander finaly was of the sea. He sad he was a bit sea-sick, because he had been on sea for around 2 days.
The ships dropped some food and such, and than started to scout the sea, and island, maybe there was an enemy ship or submarine coming...

OOC: Did you at least see post 74 on page 5?

In the nation of Roef:
"This cant be done! This will be one of the wars, that we will win!" Yelled President Algo at the conversation building in Valgoria, the capital of Roef.
"These people, declared war as we tryd to raise our economy! But now, we will win this. And they will be scared for us! They will knoiw, just as everybody, that if Roef go's for anything, we will get it!" After this, the crowd yelled, and some waved with rifle's, and some with guns.
"Our forces, will take this island, and make it a colony, and the place to get oil, FOR Roef!" The president sad. "I will make this ou..." Than a terrorist, one of the few that survived the terrorist hunt after they attacked, runned toward the crowd with his gun shooting. He hit one of the presidents higest man in the head, and that guard fell down, dead as hell. The other guards, pulled there gun, but not as fast as the president himself. The president was angry, and he pulled a 12mm gun, and shot the terrorist in the hand. The man dropped his gun as he got hit, and fell. Algo walked toward him, and sad: "Trying to kill me, hu?!" And the president shot him in the leg.
"Killing me? To free roef?!" The president shot him in his other leg.
"And this, is for all the people your terrorist group killed." And he shot the man in his arm.
"Want me to end it? Shall i?" Asked Algo.
"I am not scared to die! I spit in the face of death!" Yelled the wounded terrorist.
"Good, because i spit you in your face." Than he spitted in the man's face, and that blowed his brains out.
"This will happen to the enemy troops to! Not so painfull, but they, WILL DIE!"
The crowd yelled as hard as they coud, and screamed. All together:
"President algo! President Algo! Roef will win!"

OOC: Did you at least see post 74 on page 5?

I did, but i dont agree. I think that i can feed my troops, and go more than 0.25%. I go with 2%.

2%? you only have $16,284 to spend on pay packets and equipment on each soldier. I highly doubt your soldiers will be a match to any other nation.

OOC: Roef, I specifically said that they were 40 miles away in the post where my subs launched their harpoons. Located 40 miles from the convoy, well outside any anti-submarine networks, the Gauntlet rose to a depth of fifteen meters, preparing to fire its entire complement of Harpoon anti-ship missiles. Five other Virginia-Class vessels were operating at similar distances, preparing to launch a first-strike that would hopefully send a decent chunk of the Roef armed forces to the bottom.

I'm taking a practice Law School Admissions Test (LSAT) today, so I'll be unable to make any in-character replies for approximately 7 or 8 hours.

OOC@Lynion: How big is your military btw?

OOC@Roef: He has a point, sometimes having less of something is having more.

OOC: Found it!

I have a military of 13,831,800 personal in the navy, air force and army.

My defence budget is $4,323,856,426,512.19

Budget and that gives me $312,602.58 to spend on each personal
Personal

I do a pay average of $110,000 per year and that leaves me $202,602.58 to spend on equipment, food, supplies, training and anything else I can think of. Or, $202,602.58 and mutliply it by 13,831,800 and that gives me to $2,802,350,344,000.00 to spend on the military. I usually try to budge a trillion on buying equipment each day and the rest on the personal.

LOOC@Roef: He has a point, sometimes having less of something is having more.


OOC: He has a point Roef. Like I only use .7% of my ENTIRE population for my military. .1% is kid-soldiers, .1% is Genetics (genetically enhanced soldiers), and the remain .5% is just regular soldiers, supplies, artillerists, tank drivers, logistics, and other such things. Yes, despite my size my soldiers are well-payed, better trained than your's Roef, and equipped with better technology. So if I went against a nation like Salzland for an island like this and I RPed it right, him and I could probably seriously bloody each other's nose before either of us left the island. I'm sure Salzland would be willing to agree with me.

OOC: you don't need big armies to conquer another one. You just need excellent tactic's that can be put into force.

Yes, but i got 2%, he got 7%, so i can have 2%!

OOC: Roef, I specifically said that they were 40 miles away in the post where my subs launched their harpoons.

I'm taking a practice Law School Admissions Test (LSAT) today, so I'll be unable to make any in-character replies for approximately 7 or 8 hours.

40 miles? Than my ships coud have spotted them with a radio, and than got away, these things shoot forward. So, still i will ignore, no, not igonre, but they idnt hit.

You didn't read it right. It's 0.7% not 7%. Don't take this the wrong way Roef, but you have a weak economy. You need a stronger economy and budget to defence to have a big army.

OOC: I'm finally going to swear in this debate because I believe that somebody as ignorant as Roef needs it. Everybody, I'm sorry.



OOC to Roef: Okay you little bag of breathing sh*t! Listen to other people for once in your F*CKING life! We've tried helping you but apparently you're so pathetic you think that everybody not totally agreeing with you is trying to get you. Shut the F*CK up and listen to reason before you go on rambling "Well, he has..." F*CK YOU! You're government's economy is in the crapper, you can't afford that. His isn't, he can afford that given his size. I've got some breaking news for you Roef: LIFE ISN'T F*CKING FAIR! Just because somebody else has something doesn't mean that you can do the same!



OOC to Everybody else: Sorry for that outburst, but I just couldn't take having attempted to give him advice only to have it ignored or reverse-engineered and have him do the opposite of what I originally said. If this gets me banned, so be it. I said what I had to get off my chest about the situation to Roef/Canedian Army. Go ahead and berate me, chew me out, or talk about me secretly through PMs. I don't care, I can finally calm down knowing that I finally said that to him. I'm not asking for anybody's forgiveness but just that you try and see it from my stand-point. If this get me banned, you may notice Romandeos has the same I.P as mine but I ask you not to ban that country for he's just my brother and he shouldn't be banned for my raging anger. That's all.

40 miles? Than my ships coud have spotted them with a radio, and than got away, these things shoot forward. So, still i will ignore, no, not igonre, but they idnt hit.

ooc dude you can't spot shit with a radio You Mean Radar

Yea i do, wrong typed.

And to Ursava:
Shut up.

OOC: Ursava, you have every right to be angry towards Roef/CA and so does everyone else that comes across him. I congulate you on this post.

Roef: I suggest you listen to everyone because LIFE IS NOT FREAKIN' FAIR AND GET IT THROUGH YOUR THICK SKULL!!

I feel better now.

I am not CA! Think what you want, just wanted to say that.

OOC: you often sound like CA though.

Maybe thats because i am his brother? Same way of doing? I dont know, he is my brother, and possibly he played on my nation once, where i dont agree to, but thats it! You cant get angry on ME cus SOMEBODY ELSE was kinda bad!

OOC: It doesn't matter, it's not like we're going to be like: "Oh, he's not CA so it's okay that he's a horrible RPer who doesn't listen anybody's advice."

I dont care what you think! Now, i ask nicely, please, dont post in this thread, as you all might know, its closed to me and salzland, so please all shut up and talk to somebody else.

OOC: now, let me state this Roef. The nation didn't say 7% but 0.7%.

Fine! I dont care! Sorry for being a bit unfriendly, but i am getting angry on Ursava.
So, can you all please shut up and talk to me later? I just want to fight that war, and than i will take further actions.

IC:
"Is tha' drill ready?" Asked Sergeant Hollister, head of operations in Great Hanika.
"Yes sir! It is going to roll in 1 minute!" Sad a bit scared soldier. As the Sergeant was a friend of President Algo, he coud have anything done.
"Can i go?" Asked he.
But the Sergeant didnt hear him, he was looking up at the best drill of Roef, a 15 meter thing, to drill for oil faster than ever. The operations in Great Hanika, woud stop as the oil was gone, than they where planning to set a guard of 100 soldiers, and Sergeant Hollister, to defend the place, and build a lot of hotels and houses. First the oil, than later a place to live.
After 30 seconds of staring to the thing, the drill started to drill.
At didnt took long, until the first barrels where filled. As the machine put the oil in barrels himself, they didnt had to do anything.

OOC: Not many people are going to RP with you in future Roef if you keep this atitude up. Do you want that? How would it feel to be alone and not listening to other people's advice.

I am lissening, but i didnt get real advice here, only people who sad that i got to much soldiers.

OOC: If you were, you be taking in what we gave you as advice. Not everyone can have the biggest armies in the world and you don't have to match the next guy. Hell, when the French took on the Germans in World War 2, France had the 3rd biggest army and they were massacared by a smaller army within 40 or 50 days. Now Blitzberg attacks are excellent if you can do it right.

Anyhow, ask yourself this: how many nations, without naming them, will invade you when they get the chance?

OOC: Way to much. But i dont fully understand why.

OOC: You want to know why? People are interested with much more interesting threads with different ideas and themes that make people think about everything they do. Now, I'm not saying you don't have interesting threads, you have a few good ones and they would be better if they had more details rather than everything being thrown around the place.

Now, I want to point something out to you that should wake you up. During the First and Second Gulf Wars, the Iraqi's always outnumbered Coalition Forces somewhere around 3:1 or 4:1 but it was a high number. Actually, Coalition Forces took on the 5th biggest army in the world. However, the Iraqis weren't well equipped or trained. If I remember right the Coalition Forces would advance so fast and smash through the Iraqis, that whenever they got prisoners, they gave them a bottle of water and to head south.

Can you see that the biggest army may never be the one that wins the war?

Roef I will gladly help you learn how to RP properly. No insults, no curses and no condemnations. You are going to end up on your own in this Forum unless you improve your style and attitude, please do not take that as an insult because I am only telling you the truth, see the amount of people in this thread alone that you have annoyed. If you do want help and advice then TG me and I'll gladly help anyway I can.

Alright.

IC:
"Stop the drill!" Sergeant Hollister yelled at his man.
The drill has been smoking, and he feared an explosion.
"Go check it out!" He told his army.
A soldier, who knew how it worked, walked toward it.
He climbed into the 15 meter thing, and than he yelled:
"I can fix it!"
After two hours, the drill was ready again, and it was going to drill for more oil.
In the day only, around thousand barrels where filled with oil.
The Roef-ian navy sended a large tanker, to export all of it to Roef.

OOC: Was that to me or Lynion?
BTW, is English your first language?

OOC: It was to you. And it is not my first language! I say that every time again :)

[OOC: I have directed this thread in the direction of the mods for their viewing. While I have said that I have ignored Roef, I must say that you cannot drill thousands of barrels of oil with your weak economy. Besides, why would soldiers drill for oil? It makes little sense.]

OOC: It was to you. And it is not my first language! I say that every time again :)

Sorry, this is the first thread I have seen you in. Do you want to take this conversation to TG's?

Ofcourse, lets start :).
And to stok:
My troops drill for oil, as that is the thing where this war go's about.

OOC: Then you have a TG ^^

Alright, but i need to go away in 4 minutes... Im sorry.

OOC: Roef, you haven't become respected enough on these forums to have the right to tell people to shut up, especially since you won't take on board any advice we have given you.

OOC: I am delighted to tell you that Roef shall be taking advice on me as to the art of RPing.

OOC: I am delighted to tell you that Roef shall be taking advice on me as to the art of RPing.

OOC: I should warn you that i've given him plenty of advice across the broad spectrum of his other threads, and he has failed to take any of it into account.

So, I wish you luck, but I doubt he'll actually listen.

OOC: I should warn you that i've given him plenty of advice across the broad spectrum of his other threads, and he has failed to take any of it into account.

So, I wish you luck, but I doubt he'll actually listen.

OOC: We'll see

Ofcourse, lets start :).
And to stok:
My troops drill for oil, as that is the thing where this war go's about.

OOC: You obviously don't know anything about drilling for oil. That takes special training and skills that soldiers don't typically have, unless you spend a lot of time and money training them and that's just stupid.

40 miles? Than my ships coud have spotted them with a radio, and than got away, these things shoot forward. So, still i will ignore, no, not igonre, but they idnt hit.

No. My subs are 40 miles from your closest ships. You said you had your ships bringing in the troops, your tanks, and your soldiers. No submarines, no anti-submarine helicopters or aircraft, nothing to detect my submarines. I even gave you the chance to add them in when I asked you for an ORBAT, and you only said you had tanks and troops on the territory, and obviously the ships bringing them in.

Even if you were using the best SONAR in the entire world (SONAR, not 'radio' or 'RADAR'), you would not be able to detect anything, let alone a Virginia-Class submarine, from beyond 50 kilometers. To put that in perspective, my subs launched from just over 64 kilometers away.

There are no anti-submarine weapons systems on the entire planet that have a range that long. And before you say "Then how did your missiles hit?" I will explain that Harpoon missiles use active radar to search for targets, meaning that they are effectively fire and forget. All I have to do is point my submarines in the right direction, launch, and the missiles do the rest of the work.

You cannot ignore my attacks because of your own oversights in deployments, tactics, and your ignorance of modern warfare tactics and technology. My missile attacks are not only plausible, but sound naval strategy for engaging a hostile convoy.

No. My subs are 40 miles from your closest ships. You said you had your ships bringing in the troops, your tanks, and your soldiers. No submarines, no anti-submarine helicopters or aircraft, nothing to detect my submarines. I even gave you the chance to add them in when I asked you for an ORBAT, and you only said you had tanks and troops on the territory, and obviously the ships bringing them in.

Even if you were using the best SONAR in the entire world (SONAR, not 'radio' or 'RADAR'), you would not be able to detect anything, let alone a Virginia-Class submarine, from beyond 50 kilometers. To put that in perspective, my subs launched from just over 64 kilometers away.

There are no anti-submarine weapons systems on the entire planet that have a range that long. And before you say "Then how did your missiles hit?" I will explain that Harpoon missiles use active radar to search for targets, meaning that they are effectively fire and forget. All I have to do is point my submarines in the right direction, launch, and the missiles do the rest of the work.

You cannot ignore my attacks because of your own oversights in deployments, tactics, and your ignorance of modern warfare tactics and technology. My missile attacks are not only plausible, but sound naval strategy for engaging a hostile convoy.

OOC: Couldn't have said it better myself. Clearly you have an extensive knowledge of naval warfare. I'm more of a siege specialist myself but I do have the occasional naval battle.

In the day only, around thousand barrels where filled with oil.
The Roef-ian navy sended a large tanker, to export all of it to Roef.

Warning: Putting all the oil from an entire island into a tanker is:

1) Not possible.
2) Stupid, frankly- one missile hits and BOOM! Sorry.

OOC: TG Salzland

ooc: why do i do this. Yes Roef dosnt take a hint, he could possibly be CA, but your fellows cant take a hint. When a guy says "Stop posting in this thread its closed" you usually comply, so why are you still posting here? if you wanna keep bugging Roef setup a OOC thread for that purpose, coz i remember read he wants to be left alone, so whyy donty ou leave him alone? if this was happening to you, i bet you would of already called the mods, everytime Roef starts a RP( thats a bit of a compliment) i see all the same people jumping on the thread and constantly bugging him, IF HES NOT LISTENING STOP TRYING.

Cut it out. Stay out of closed RPs. Quit the unneeded OOC comments.

Erid Lor, Royal British States, Volzgrad, Lynion, warned -- ie, you're very close to a ban, ie, don't put a foot wrong for however long it takes me to forget about you.

Ursava, banned for 24 hours for this post (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=14024998&postcount=147).

Response to a polite query from a player who wondered if it was wrong to give OOC advice: no, it's not.

These are helpful, if not always courteously worded, OOC comments: OOC: You obviously don't know anything about drilling for oil. That takes special training and skills that soldiers don't typically have, unless you spend a lot of time and money training them and that's just stupid.

Warning: Putting all the oil from an entire island into a tanker is:

1) Not possible.
2) Stupid, frankly- one missile hits and BOOM! Sorry.

[OOC: I have directed this thread in the direction of the mods for their viewing. While I have said that I have ignored Roef, I must say that you cannot drill thousands of barrels of oil with your weak economy. Besides, why would soldiers drill for oil? It makes little sense.]

Plus this (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=14025468&postcount=177) lengthy one from Salzland and Alversia's offer to help Roef with RPing.

Helpful OOC comments are appreciated. They make the forums work smoothly.

Response to Royal British States: You, individually, are very close to a ban. Your post OOC: Now Roef, you're in deep sh!t. I bet he is now making a new account and running away like what he done before. And before. And many times before. was a flame, and could have earned you an infraction.

It didn't because the remarks by others who were jumping on the bandwagon were less offensive and an all-encompassing warning seemed more appropriate -- mods don't actually like handing out penalties, you know.

If the "however long it takes me to forget you" is confusing, consider this. A formal infraction takes one week to clear. However, I remember you from earlier threads making similar comments empty of any helpful intent. Now I associate this one with your name as well.

Thus, you seem to be doing your best to make me remember you as a poster who bothers other posters. This memory may be sufficient, should you transgress again, to make me check your post history and see if my impression is correct. If it is, and I have to choose between giving you an infraction and giving you a ban, I may choose the latter.

On top of that, other mods remember names that appear in the Moderation forum. If they appear often as the subject of complaints, whichever mod is handling the query will probably do a post-history check, with similar effect on their choice of penalty.

That's why it would be a Very Good Thing for you to be as forgettable as you can for an (indeterminate) while.

Now I'm going to delete the empty or no longer relevant posts and, hopefully, let the people who are playing get on with the RP.

OOC: TG Salzland

OOC: Response sent. After reading all of this, I think you're right about a separate thread. In my opinion, it's necessary just to keep things tidy.

Yes it is, go all make a thread called: BOTHERING ROEF.
There you can say as much as you want about me:). Salzland, can we return to warfare?
And if you want this so much, here:
IC:
BOOM!
"What the hell?!" Yelled Sergeant Hollister as a other ship gets hit.
"I think there are subs around this place!" Called a soldier back.
"Lets get the hell out of here! Full speed toward the island!" Said the Sergeant.
"Send this to Roef, to president algo!"
"Subs attacking! The perdama queen got hit, and is sinking now! The marines and troops will die, as we cant go and take them now! Sergeant Hollister."
"Yes sir, anything else?"
"send this to Great hanika:"
"Subs attacking, full speed. Make sure everything is ready."
BOOM! Another harpoon hit the perdama queen.
"That ship is going down!" Screamed Sergeant Hollister.
"Everybody! get your gun from your beds and such! Take the ammo, and prepare for a sea battle!"

a telegram arrives from a battleship from zot109land to all ships from other country's


stop make war the oil is from the land of roef (i don't now the name )
i will defend roef till death if is necceserry
:hail: the almithy dictator of zot109land

OOC: Right, as of now can we stop RPing in this thread until we have sorted this out. It will be moving to a new thread soon, an HYPER-CLOSED thread, where we can sort this thing out in private.

so its not a war annymore

so its not a war annymore

OOC: It will be, but not here, and closed

OOC: Why not here? I still want that oil you know :)

OOC: Moving a thread does not mean the end of the event, we shall be moving the war to a different thread where you, me and Salsland can settle this away from the OOC. It will be the same war, just in a different thread.

But it woud be a war with only me and salzland right?

OOC: Yes and anyone else you approve, hence the closed thread

O alright...

OOC: All right, I'll hold off until the new thread's up

OOC: Yea, thats best for now.

OOC: Who's going to make the thread? I can put it up later this evening, unless either Roef or Alversia want to.

OOC: No, you can make it.

New (Closed) thread is up, here's the link: http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=566805