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The Realm of Celtica (400 B.C Factbook)

DaWoad
16-09-2008, 17:44
The Realm of Celtica


Short Name: Celtica
State Religion: none
Government: Monarchy (of sorts)
City colors: Black,Green
Demonym: Celts, Celticans
Official language: Greek (ancient)

Population: 230 000
Currency: 1 Obol (gold coin)=100 Partae (silver coin)=1000 Cintae (bronze coin)
Trade Goods: Food (lots including grains, salted meat, smoked meat and fish), wood, gold, bronze, silver, animal hides
Location: Celtica (Blue)

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History
Apparently in around 800 B.C.E (the oldest record and only recorded recently) a boatload of people left their island of war and fear for better climes. They brought with them seedlings and their massive war bows and nothing else. After many days at sea and a number of storms they landed in a forest that was uninhabited and they set up camp their planting their seedlings and soon a withing the Forest there was a large grove of Yew trees in the middle of this forest. Around this grove the community grew and flourished, the majority of the inner forest was cleared and farmland was set up there. The first Introduction that the Celts had to the Greek world outside of their own city was a 20 man hoplite platoon that attempted to attack their city. It was utterly destroyed by the long hunting bows made of yew (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/English_longbow) which punched through the armor of the hoplites, at short ranges, easily. This led to a deliberate expansion of the forest on the part of the celts who grew it out too 15 km away from the edge of their farmlands. It also led to the expansion of the city though that was also through the large population expansion experienced by the celts due to plentiful fields and farmlands and good hunting in the forests. An inner city was also set up which houses the yew grove, the ranger cast and the king inside a stone wall. During the last 100 years two things happened that led to the eventual decision by the celts too reveal themselves. First they gained access too four valuable metals, bronze, iron gold and silver through veins of these metals discovered in the forest and second a brief civil war led to the overthrow of a king who was attempting to misuse his power.

Society
The society is run by a king who is elected every ten years. 4 members from each cast act as leaders for that cast and it is these who decide on which king to chose. The king can be either male or female and has essentially unlimited power for those ten years though at any point they can be overthrown by a 2/3 vote of the leaders of the casts. There are six of these casts and all but the Army is open to both men and women. Men and women are given equal rights and responsibilities within Celtica as, when the initial colonization occurred, the celtican society would not have survived without equal participation by both.Some members of society are only nominal members of a cast (for example the king is nominally a ranger) and elders especially are taken as such. Once you can no longer perform your task (due to age or illness) you will be kept within your cast and perform as you can (for example elders oversee most of the farms and plan crop rotations etc. as well as determining planting times) the only exceptions are the Army and to a lesser extent the Rangers. Once you can no longer perform as a member of the Army you are retired and given the choice of tradesman, farmer or boatman and provided with a farm, boat or place within the city. Once you can no longer hunt effectively in the rangers you are either assigned as a commander (if you have proven skilled at command), an advisor to the king or retired into farming, fishing or selling.


Casts
Rangers: Armed with longbows and two Iron Swords these act as both ranaged troops and hunters. They hold the highest position of honor but also the most demanding and are trained from birth in both the use of the two swords and the use of the bow. They wear iron rings under animal hide leggings and long shirt both of which are dyed dark green and brown. They carry 120 arrows in three quivers one on the back and one on each leg and their swords are worn at the hip.
Army: This consist of heavy Phalanx style infantry wearing iron armor they train constantly from age seven and are adapt at both movement and attack in full armor. their primary weapon is a 12 foot wooden spear of which they carry two. Their secondary weapon is a double edged stabbing short sword. They are distinguishable by their forest green cloaks worn at all times save in battle. Their helmet is made of bronze and overs their entire face save for a single t shaped opening that allows for sight and breathing. When not clad for war they wear black cloth leggings and a black long shirt. the elite Guard of the Army wears armor that has been set with obsidian, making it entirely black and they wear black cloaks and black helmet covers.

Boatsmen: These people both fish and provide the Navy for the Celts. They use small, very fast boats with 30 people in them, from which they can both fish and use to fight. The front of the boat is clad with an Iron ram used to hole enemy ships below the water line and each boat carries 5 people who know how to use the long bows provided too them but who also act as fishers. they are clad entirely in black animal hide pants.

Farmers: These are given basic Heavy infantry training and are equipped, during times of war with bronze armor. shields and spears but are of militia quality. Mostly the Farmers farm save for training twice a year with regular forces when they can. they wear light green shirts and leggings

Miners: The miners are trained only to use A longbow and not well at that. They mostly mine and train only once a year. mostly they work the four mines within the Celtic forest. They are distinguishable by theirdark green shirts and black pants.

Tradesmen: These consist of blacksmith, carpenters, traders, tanners, smelters, brewers and the like. They train on one day of the seven day week with the regular army and as such form the backbone of the militia. They train as light infantry and carry five javelins which they can throw with great accuracy as well as use in close combat. They also carry a short stabbing sword. And alternate between the role of skirmisher and infantry. Generally their tactic is to hurl Javelins at the enemy foe the retreat and reform behind the heavy infantry to add their weight to the infantry's own. They wear what they want but are generally identifiable by their green and black patterned shirts and pants.

Army
The army consists of
40 000** Rangers (http://wiki.guildwars.com/images/f/fc/Ranger_Ancient_armor_m.jpg)
10 000 Elite Heavy infantry (http://i200.photobucket.com/albums/aa42/Aglarech/The%20Fourth%20Age/TNS006.jpg)
30 000 Heavy infantry (http://img382.imageshack.us/img382/8131/corinthianhopliteqw4.jpg)
60 000* heavy militia
40 000* light Militia
20 000* Long range militia forces
and
1 000 Navel uniremes
(
950-"militia" (train as a secondary function to being fishers and traders.)
50- "regulars" (train on a schedule and can act as raiders but are primarily Fishing and trading ships.)

*These are nominal numbers. Due to illness, age, pregnancy (for women obviously) etc. the true number that can be fielded at any one time is should be taken as 2/3 of the given number. Also, these are militia. Fielding those kind of numbers requires the shutdown of the entire Celtican Industry. These millitia Troops would only ever be fielded as an absolute last resort.

**Rangers provide logistics and food support for the Army as well as providing minimal engineering functions. They are primarily hunters and scouts rather than military troops. That being said their Yew longbows do give them a nice range advantage over conventional bows and they practice with them constantly. They also train against each other regularly and as such are very good at using they're secondary weapons. Due to illness and pregnancy (rangers are retired when they become to old to successfully hunt) the Ranger number can be taken as around 3/4 (30 000) available at any one time.

***last but not least DISCLAIMER: the pictures were just for fun. my Elite heavy infantry are not actually LOTR gondor tower guards. actually they resemble them in no way save that they both wear black. It just looks cool.
The World Soviet Party
16-09-2008, 20:24
First things first, keep working on the factbook.

Second, I add you to the map, you don't add yourself.

Third and final, I give you a population, you don't choose one.
DaWoad
16-09-2008, 21:03
First things first, keep working on the factbook.

Second, I add you to the map, you don't add yourself.

Third and final, I give you a population, you don't choose one.
I did tell you it was still in progress lol but thanks for the heads up. I already edited for population and added to my factbook and the map was just to give you a hand but sorry bout that. Can I keep that location on the map? or are you assigning those?
thanks and sorry again
Osprey,
leader of the celts (lol)
The World Soviet Party
16-09-2008, 22:48
Well, no problem with that, but you saved it in .jpg, which is a no-no for maps and any other form of graphic imagery, at least in NS.

Don't worry, I'll add you myself.

Population: 230,000
DaWoad
16-09-2008, 22:51
Well, no problem with that, but you saved it in .jpg, which is a no-no for maps and any other form of graphic imagery, at least in NS.

Don't worry, I'll add you myself.

Population: 230,000
ahhh fair enough and ty and ill get rid of it now lol (space eater)
Thrashia
19-09-2008, 03:30
1) Drop the longbow. Yew was not used in the construction of Hellenistic or Roman bows because the Yew tree didn't grow in Southern Europe and never has.

2) Very few things other than a full armored man charging full tilt with a sharp spear or a ballista-sized bow would penetrate Greek shields. Its why the phalanx was so effective at protecting troops. So drop that bit.

3) Your population should allow for you to field, at most, 20,000+ men. Of those only about 16 to 18 thousand could be considered for combat.

4) I like the LOTR The New Shadow pic, but its gotta go. Not accurate to our rp at all, and the heaviest infantry you're going to have access to is this fellow (http://www.sgibson.k12.in.us/gshs_new/ms_socstud/marathon_dwmpnl/hoplite%2065.jpg).

5) Like I told Ralkovia, you will not have access to all those precious ores right in around your country. I myself, while having access to gold and silver, must import iron ore and other necessities, and I'm a freaking empire. So no.

6) There are very few specialists in the field of engineering. Most of what is known is for the building of houses, walls, and bridges. In terms of the military you'd have to hire siege engineers from either me or possibly Egypt (which is me again), or go by the tried and true method of starving people.
DaWoad
19-09-2008, 03:50
1) Drop the longbow. Yew was not used in the construction of Hellenistic or Roman bows because the Yew tree didn't grow in Southern Europe and never has.

2) Very few things other than a full armored man charging full tilt with a sharp spear or a ballista-sized bow would penetrate Greek shields. Its why the phalanx was so effective at protecting troops. So drop that bit.

3) Your population should allow for you to field, at most, 20,000+ men. Of those only about 16 to 18 thousand could be considered for combat.

4) I like the LOTR The New Shadow pic, but its gotta go. Not accurate to our rp at all, and the heaviest infantry you're going to have access to is this fellow (http://www.sgibson.k12.in.us/gshs_new/ms_socstud/marathon_dwmpnl/hoplite%2065.jpg).

5) Like I told Ralkovia, you will not have access to all those precious ores right in around your country. I myself, while having access to gold and silver, must import iron ore and other necessities, and I'm a freaking empire. So no.

6) There are very few specialists in the field of engineering. Most of what is known is for the building of houses, walls, and bridges. In terms of the military you'd have to hire siege engineers from either me or possibly Egypt (which is me again), or go by the tried and true method of starving people.

1)covered that. though I'll change it too them building out of different kinda of wood if you think thatd work better but the longbow stays lmao)
2)will drop that
3)Agreed . . .I covered that . . .kinda . . . (btw my army is only 30 000 with 10 000 of THOSE trained as elites) I can cut it down though. If you think that would be more appropriate. That being said if were really gonna get draconian bout this talk it over with TWSP and have himb= cover this.
4)lol oh I know that was just for fun . . .I'm not intending to rp those . . .(will star that)
5) see three.
6)wha? siege engines??? huh? oh the rangers thing??? their not Combat Engineers. I was more just thinking Roman fort style (roman troopers used to build a "camp" at the end of the days march. My rangers are engineers only to that extent).
Thrashia
19-09-2008, 03:57
Alrighty. That about covers it. I'll let TWSP sweep up after me then I guess.
DaWoad
19-09-2008, 04:04
Alrighty. That about covers it. I'll let TWSP sweep up after me then I guess.

aight thanks. if TWSP is willing to set down ground rules on rewsources and armies i'm all for that (actually it would make the RP more fun) but otherwise its gonna be hell trying to rp a realistic army against one thats 100 000 men strong.
Thrashia
19-09-2008, 04:09
aight thanks. if TWSP is willing to set down ground rules on rewsources and armies i'm all for that (actually it would make the RP more fun) but otherwise its gonna be hell trying to rp a realistic army against one thats 100 000 men strong.

Don't worry, I've done research papers on the efficiency and capabilities of the armies of antiquity. Persians may be numerous and have some cool elites, but over the whole unless their facing similar opponents as themselves (aka not Greeks) then they tend to lose more often than not.
DaWoad
19-09-2008, 04:14
Don't worry, I've done research papers on the efficiency and capabilities of the armies of antiquity. Persians may be numerous and have some cool elites, but over the whole unless their facing similar opponents as themselves (aka not Greeks) then they tend to lose more often than not.

o again I was more meaning as percentage. I thought he did quite well balancing population vs. millitary efficiency just meant if your 1 000 000 pop. and you have a 100 000 army thats cool. if your 200 000 pop with a 150 000 army. . .not so cool.