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SS battle tank:
Typ: Light
Crew: 4: loader/gunner, commando, 1 machine gunner and 1 for the cannon
Cannons: 3 heavy cannons, 2 can fire at a time, they fire heavy missles to destroy enemy's
Lenght: 4 meter
Weight: 200 ton
Range of cannons: 1.5 miles
Range of machine gun: 700 meter
Armor: 1/2 steel armor, 1/2 aliminium armor
3,500,000


SE 46 main battle tank:
Crew: 3, gunner, commander, driver and somebody for the cannnon(s)
Cannons: 2, front and back
Engine: AGT-1500 turbine engine
Weight: (pounds) 78 ton
Lenght: 4 meters
Height: 1.7 meters
Armor: 1/2 inch of Steel Plate, 1/2 inch of Depleted Uranium Tiles
Speed: 45 mph
Fuel: 321 gallons
main gun: 158mm gun, 42 sabot rounds, 35 piercing rounds
missiles: 12 heavy missiles
Commanders gun: m2- 68 cal
price: 7,000,000 dollar


SS battleship:
Lenght: 52 meter
Weight: unknown
Range: 6 miles
Artillery: 23 Thunder-2 artillery and 17 heavy artillery
Armor: 1/4 steel armor, 1/4 uranium armor, 2/4 fully armed armor
Cannons: 47 heavy cannons, shooting heavy missles
Rockets: 4000 is stack.
Crew: around 100 people
Can take: around 2 million ton, and 7000 soldiers
12,750,000

SS fighter jet 1.1:
Lenght: 8 meter
Weight: 24 ton
Speed: 321 km each hour
Crew: 3: Gunner, flyer, bomber
Armor: 3/4 steel armor, 1/4 uranuim armor
Range: 700 meter
Can cary: 18 ton, people and bombs
Bombs: a lot of 250 kg bombs

11,000,000


Questions? Send to Sergeant Jamita.

Those things, such as the fighter jet and the first tank are impossibly short.

You battleship is horribly overpriced given it's range of only six miles.

Besides, cannons can't fire missiles and more than one main-gun on a tank is generally a really bad idea.


You seriously need to go post this in the draftroom before opening storefronts.

OOC: You know, i amke these stuff like i want, but i can lower the price...

OOC: Roef, please learn how to design a realistic vehicle before posting one. If you need help, I am always open.

And secondly, uranium armor would kill the crew with radiation poisoning almost instantly.

OOC: just one question: isn't alimunin light and only strong enough against 30 .cal weapon?

Go ahead and build them like you want. When the people in the ships die as soon as they're up the gang-plank, pilots realize they can't fit in the planes, and the tank crews have to have five to six people crammed in like sardines then don't be surprised that you don't get business.

OOC: Yup, that pretty much sums it up. And when aluminium gets hit by anything larger or more powerful that a 30 caliber, it shatters and becomes shrapnel to those nearby.

OOC: Yup, that pretty much sums it up. And when aluminium gets hit by anything larger or more powerful that a 30 caliber, it shatters and becomes shrapnel to those nearby.

Not one of the most pleasent happenings for a sailor, tanker, or anybody else for that matter.

Not one of the most pleasent happenings for a sailor, tanker, or anybody else for that matter.

OOC: Yea, that's no joke.

OOC: All of a sudden I don't feel safe close to aluminium anymore. Anyhow, isn't 52 metres too small for a battleship? I mean the USS Arizona was 185 metres long and that pack more of a punch than those being purposed. Also, I think a crew for a battleship is around 1500-2000 men. I could be wrong.

OOC: It is a small battleship! Now, shut up if you dont want to buy something...

It's not a "small battleship" but it sure would make a nice, armed fishing trawler.

What you want. I dont mind.

...that was an insult to it's size.

My smallest ship, a Ticonderoga (which currently has to fill the role of both my navy's cruisers and destroyers) could own your ship in a five-on-one battle in YOUR favor.

OOC: Roef, you want to make people take notice of you and buy stuff off you? Then go to the Draft Room and get it sorted out. Also, while you're at it, look around NationStates forum and view storefronts such as Lyran's for what you should put into a storefront.

While we're expressing our warships, one of my aerial destoryers (the weakest in the aerial navy) can take on four of your easily. Maybe six if you want to add the Seeker and AU-1 onboard the aerial destoryer

Good for you. But my full navy coud take your navy out, not fully, but a piece...

...that was an insult to it's size.

My smallest ship, a Ticonderoga (which currently has to fill the role of both my navy's cruisers and destroyers) could own your ship in a five-on-one battle in YOUR favor.

ooc saddly my smallest are landing craft but my 840 feet long Missile Battle Cruiser would eat one and ask for seconds

Not really, my full navy could wipe yours off the face of the earth Roef because of their training and better armed/armored ships with more capacity, stronger weapons, and longer ranges.

Roef, I'm not sure I should take you seriously or not about that comment. Ok, how about I put into your mind how much firepower two aerial aircraft carriers have.

During the Second Pirate Alliance War between Pirate Alliance and Lynion, two aerial aircraft carriers sank around 18 battleships and cruisers without air support and they were moderate damaged which meant they still could get home. They used a high powered magnetic puslion cannon that ripped through the hauls of the battleships and cruisers and they were better armed than yours. That's only two aerial aricraft carriers, wait until you see a 200 aerial warship fleet bearing down on you.

Yes, you coud beat me. But, still i coud send all i coud, and take as much out as i can.

Which still wouldn't be enough. You're not King Leonidas, you don't have 300 Spartans, we're not in the pass, and anybody invading is not a ten thousand-strong Persian army. Even if that were the case, if you pay attention to history all 300 and Leonidas were killed along with the others there with them...entirely.

Yes, but if you invaded me, i woud accept my death, but woud do everything i coud to defend.

So you'd still be wiped out. We're not in a movie Roef.

Besides that, there was this totally new discovery that soldiers have this thing called "morale". It can be totally and utterly destroyed if the entirety of a much larger force invades so they don't want to defend for fear of their lives and sometimes even betray their original country...

...that was sarcasm in case you didn't know.

Yes, but if you invaded me, and as goal killing al my civilians and soldiers, i woud send everything as possible, to sell my skin as high as i coud.

With a 'Basket Case' economy and a Defense Budget in the Millions, Roef, you probably wouldn't be able to do much more than launch one or two anti-ship missiles at any attackers, before resorting to throwing rocks.

It's like the Iraqi navy (http://z.about.com/d/politicalhumor/1/0/D/8/iraq_navy.jpg)!!!!

I coud affort more than 2 missiles! You are sutch a dumass! And anyway, my nation woud do all i coud to destroy as much as possible, and kill as much enemy's as possible!

Kinetic bombardment an you would not need to waste time sending in poeple

No Roef, you really couldn't. You sir are the "dumass" as you word it, which I assume is supposed to be "dumb ass". That raises a question from me Roef: how do you know the common butt's I.Q level?


Imperial isa is right as well.

If a nation, tryd to invade me, i woud send defences, and nukes, and missiles as much as i can to fight back! To show, that Roef wont die without a fight!

So maybe one nuke and a couple of ASMs then being left down to your inferiorly trained and equipped troops?

It's like the Iraqi navy (http://z.about.com/d/politicalhumor/1/0/D/8/iraq_navy.jpg)!!!!

OOC: You sir just made my day! That's bloody hilarious!

IC: Seriously though, you really don't want to argue with us for several reasons.

1. We're infinitely more experienced then you in both design and RPing.

2. Your economy is in shambles and your total population is very low.

3. Our designs are MUCH better then yours and a war between them would be nothing more then a comical turkey shoot.

4. We're polite. Bad mouthing in II is like resisting getting bummed in prison. The more resistance you put up against an unstoppable force, the more the opponents "weapon" gets harder.

You realize you just used an in character post to say that you were good at RPing.... don't you?

You realize you just said that you were good at RPing.... while in character.

I meant IC as in responding to the actual thread. The OOC part was responding to a completely different thing (a funny picture).

OOC: Roef, if you want to make a good storefront with naval items, do some research first. Check out Quester's storefront, or mine/North-Point's, look at the draftroom, and then come back. Trust me, wikipedia doesn't answer all :D

Ahh I see, quite funny out of context though, :D


Btw I have already sent Roef to the Draftroom and he has registered(awaiting account approval/activation), so I am going to sit back and wait to see if he will improve.

Ahh I see, quite funny out of context though, :D


Btw I have already sent Roef to the Draftroom and he has registered(awaiting account approval/activation), so I am going to sit back and wait to see if he will improve.

OOC: Now since that's done, lets drink it over with some BRAWNDO: THE THIRST MUTILATOR (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tbxq0IDqD04) tm

Brought to you by Carls Jr.

I coud affort more than 2 missiles! You are sutch a dumass! And anyway, my nation woud do all i coud to destroy as much as possible, and kill as much enemy's as possible!

OOC: Your defense budget is $320 Million. That includes salaries for your soldiers, maintenance, logistics (food, gas, munitions, training, etc.). Unless your entire military is composed of untrained individuals who are not paid, fed, provided the equipment necessary to maintain their weaponry, or even given weapons and ammunition.

So no, even if you dedicated your entire military towards anti-ship weapons, you honestly couldn't afford more than a handful of missiles, launchers, and personnel trained to fire them. Not to mention the upkeep of these missiles, the acquisition of radar systems so that you can actually find and track targets for your missiles, trained technicians for these radar systems, spare parts and maintenance for these radars, etc.

Seriously, the only "dum ass" here is the person who's selling Main Battle Tanks that have less armor than modern APCs while insulting the people who are trying to help. That person is you, Roef. Please, go to the Draftroom and learn about weapons designs from people who are much more knowledgable in that area than I am. That way everyone can enjoy themselves and have more fun.

OOC: Yup, that pretty much sums it up. And when aluminium gets hit by anything larger or more powerful that a 30 caliber, it shatters and becomes shrapnel to those nearby.

OOC: It also burns quite easily IIRC.

OOC: Yea, lol. Flaming ballistic aluminium shrapnel! RUN!!

OOC: Yea, lol. Flaming ballistic aluminium shrapnel! RUN!!

OOC: I read somewhere that that the fumes from burning aluminum are also highly toxic.

So in summary, don't use aluminum as armour.

OOC: Yea. So in essence;

RUN!!! Ballistic burning aluminimum shrapn... *cough and die!!*

That aluminimum was YOUR idea, i got from CA but anyway...
Now, you are saying it is bad? Good way to sell your stuff...

OOC: I read somewhere that that the fumes from burning aluminum are also highly toxic.

So in summary, don't use aluminum as armour.

ooc so they found out in vietnam

Besides, cannons can't fire missiles


ooc:

The 2A46M series disagrees with you xD


See Kobra or Refleks.

ooc:

The 2A46M series disagrees with you xD


See Kobra or Refleks.

this too (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MGM-51_Shillelagh)

TO: The nameless king of Roef, Roef
FROM: VATO Prime General Rust

We have over looked your storefront and I wish to make this one statement: If you intend to use a product that is used in nukes as armour, then your battleships is already lost due to the posion and I doubt there's anyone willing to go sail a battleship with that kind of armour plating.

To: Lynion

From: Colonel Johnsen

As first, king roef died. As second: I never used them, i was planning to sell them to enemy's, than hope that they woud use them, die and that i coud win from there navy and military. This is just a way of looking, to look if you all knew it woud be deadly. It is al a evil thing, i hoped you woudnt notice, that means, that i coud use them to enemy's.
Ofcourse i was not planning to hurt Lynion in any way. Or all these nation. Only the ones at war with me.

OOC: If you were at war with your enemy, they wouldn't be buying ships from you. Lame excuse for a poor design imo.

OOC: Ahh, that is wha you think... I ofcourse got a way for giving them, with excuse's and all, but i wont tell them. I will still try to do this way of attack...

OOC: are you going to do something with my telegram Roef?

OOC: What telegram?
This one?

"TO: The nameless king of Roef, Roef
FROM: VATO Prime General Rust

We have over looked your storefront and I wish to make this one statement: If you intend to use a product that is used in nukes as armour, then your battleships is already lost due to the posion and I doubt there's anyone willing to go sail a battleship with that kind of armour plating."?

OOC: yes, that was directed to you. I can see your nation on it.

To: Lynion

From: Colonel Johnsen

As first, king roef died. As second: I never used them, i was planning to sell them to enemy's, than hope that they woud use them, die and that i coud win from there navy and military. This is just a way of looking, to look if you all knew it woud be deadly. It is al a evil thing, i hoped you woudnt notice, that means, that i coud use them to enemy's.
Ofcourse i was not planning to hurt Lynion in any way. Or all these nation. Only the ones at war with me.

:headbang: DUMB.

Even people not at war with you aren't going to buy these.

If i was at war, i sad i want to give the ma peace sign. These tanks, i ask them to use it, and i dont tell the design! You arent realy smart are you?

You didn't say that, you clearly said that you plan to SELL them to your enemy! your the no so smart one XD

If i was at war, i sad i want to give the ma peace sign. These tanks, i ask them to use it, and i dont tell the design! You arent realy smart are you?


If we know the design, and your history of designs and don't want to buy them; why would somebody who is at war with you and knows your history of vehicle designs (even if they don't have the stats) want to buy them?
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...OH WAIT! I totally know the answer! They wouldn't!


Roef, we are trying to help you and the moment we point out something wrong with the idea you immidiatelly respond with nothing but childish curse-words because apparently you don't know anything else. Thus, all you can sling at us as payment for helping you is the (horribly mispelled and childish): "dum ass".

:mp: < Us trying to help you.
:upyours: < You after we try and help you.

dude, admit defeat, you ain't gonna win on the design debate, even you gotta realise they aren't any good! Go back to the drawing board, do some research, and make some decent products!

If i was at war, i sad i want to give the ma peace sign. These tanks, i ask them to use it, and i dont tell the design! You arent realy smart are you?

Trying to avoid the descent into insult slinging that this is becoming because you can't take constructive criticism for what it is - But your plan is stupid! Like anyone on NS would be dumb enough to take your tanks without question after you call for peace?

Especially now you've just, essentially, told everyone what you'd be doing with them. Any enemies just have to read here - admittedly, that would count as International Espionage, but in the case of your vehicles, I don't think that's the big issue.

Trying to avoid the descent into insult slinging that this is becoming because you can't take constructive criticism for what it is - But your plan is stupid! Like anyone on NS would be dumb enough to take your tanks without question after you call for peace?

Especially now you've just, essentially, told everyone what you'd be doing with them. Any enemies just have to read here - admittedly, that would count as International Espionage, but in the case of your vehicles, I don't think that's the big issue.


You sir, have earned my respect.

An enemy doesn't buy from its enemy. There's a thousand reasons why and besides, a T-80 can take out your tanks and using topedoe's and bombs can sink your battleship and your aircraft can be swattered down by Flak 89's. Mate, this is the worst tactic I've ever seen and it won't work.

Ursava, your post basically explains everything.

You sir, have earned my respect.

Why thank you ;)

I see. I told you, i am not using them! It is crap! If other nations buy it, and use it, i coud take them down! Thats the point!

I see. I told you, i am not using them! It is crap! If other nations buy it, and use it, i coud take them down! Thats the point!

but what tanks do YOUR forces use? A lot of your tank designs have armor that could be penetrated from the front with small arms. Perhaps you RP a nation in the early 1920's?

The Vamperial Kingdom of Lynion, The Imperial Allied States of Imperial Australia and the United Allied States of Fungi, hearby declare that all Roef freighters and products are now banished from their waters, skies and land. To enforce it, all Roef freighters and transport planes that enter their waters, skies or land will be conferscated on the spot and crew will be handed over back to their nation and their products destroyed on sight.

As first, you never saw a lot of my designs. As second: I dont RP a nation in the 1920's, third: What my forces use? M1 abrams, a lot of tanks you dont know, that kind of stuff. Jezus, what a stupid question...

The Fat People Rupublic now made clear:
They dont Fuck*ng care if you ban everything, in a day or two, you declare war anyway, you always do! You are an arrgesive nation, witch still do'snt mind!
You got 750 million, i got 600 million! Jezus! I coud fight back you know!

and intellegenit. Anyhow, you take noticed of what I've said and I'm very serious about doing this.

Actually, It'll be three against one and I'm sure there's people out that are willing to take you on boy.

Good for you! I dont care, if any of your man come 100 miles to our nation, they will be craping in there pants! They will be sleeping on there own guts! Understood?!

The Fat People Rupublic now made clear:
They dont Fuck*ng care if you ban everything, in a day or two, you declare war anyway, you always do! You are an arrgesive nation, witch still do'snt mind!
You got 750 million, i got 600 million! Jezus! I coud fight back you know!

Tell that to four nations whose armed forces have infinitely more experience, equipment, training, and basic logic.

I see. I told you, i am not using them! It is crap! If other nations buy it, and use it, i coud take them down! Thats the point!

But no-one is going to buy them because they're crap!

Unluckily for you and your products, people are not stupid enough for your plan to work effectively.

The nation of Roef, hearby declares that ALL comunication with Lynion civilians are banned. The ships of Lynion, planes and tanks, will all be DESTROYED if they enter 100 miles around Roef. The tanks will be stolen or destroyed, the planes will be used to crash on one of the building in Lynion, and the ships will be sended to hit a other ship, a lynion ship. Understood?

The nation of Roef, hearby declares that ALL comunication with Lynion civilians are banned. The ships of Lynion, planes and tanks, will all be DESTROYED if they enter 100 miles around Roef. The tanks will be stolen or destroyed, the planes will be used to crash on one of the building in Lynion, and the ships will be sended to hit a other ship, a lynion ship. Understood?

OOC: What are you going to do? Throw bloody rocks at them!

But no-one is going to buy them because they're crap!

Unluckily for you and your products, people are not stupid enough for your plan to work effectively.

Now this is untrue. As you can see, Lynion is stupid... I think most nations are VERY stupid, so i suppose one will be stupid enought to buy some.

Now this is untrue. As you can see, Lynion is stupid... I think most nations are VERY stupid, so i suppose one will be stupid enought to buy some.

OOC: While I usually stay away from name calling, you my good sir are the stupid one in this thread. Lynion made a perfectly good argument and you *try* to rebuke it using toilet language and yelling.

Good for you! I dont care, if any of your man come 100 miles to our nation, they will be craping in there pants! They will be sleeping on there own guts! Understood?!

Oh ho! Is that a threat?! Let me tell you something Roef, we wouldn't even need to get troops within 100 miles of your nation to beat you.

And even if we did, our troops would be more likely to be killed by laughter than your weapons.

EDIT: And Lynion is a damn sight cleverer than you sir, making foolish threats like you do.

OOC: What are you going to do? Throw bloody rocks at them!

So, Lynion, got 150 million more, and can use thousands of nukes, millions of rockets and hundrets of tanks? But i, with 600 million, can only trow rocks?! NO! I can use rockets, just as much as he can! I can do that to! Now shut up, you (****)!

Roef, a werewolf and a vampire are what gives their enemies nightmares. I'm not declaring war on you and I know you're dying to get your hands on better equipment so I'm not going to fall for it. I'm sure I can figure out a reason to invade you buddy. Just watch out for the Fungi, because if you make threats against them, I won't be able to hold them back.

So, Lynion, got 150 million more, and can use thousands of nukes, millions of rockets and hundrets of tanks? But i, with 600 million, can only trow rocks?! NO! I can use rockets, just as much as he can! I can do that to! Now shut up, you (****)!

I rest my case

http://i285.photobucket.com/albums/ll43/Vulture_77/monocle1.jpg

Oh ho! Is that a threat?! Let me tell you something Roef, we wouldn't even need to get troops within 100 miles of your nation to beat you.

And even if we did, our troops would be more likely to be killed by laughter than your weapons.

I got good weapons! If you got weapon, i got weapons! I got m ore than rocks! I got planes, nukes, rockets, bombers, shipd, tank and such! I can use them to! SHUT UP! You troops woud die by bombs! Now, go try to enter 100 miles toward roef! Try it!

a lot of tanks you dont know


lol wut?


I can pretty much name any modern tank in existance.

Abrams, M60, Leopard 1/2, LeClerc, Challenger 1/2, Merkava,Sabra, T-64/72/80/90, Type-98/99, M-84/2001/Degman, PT-91, that Swede tank...



unless you mean NS designed tanks, which people usually get mad if you say you operate them, without buying them.

I got good weapons! If you got weapon, i got weapons! I got m ore than rocks! I got planes, nukes, rockets, bombers, shipd, tank and such! I can use them to! SHUT UP! You troops woud die by bombs! Now, go try to enter 100 miles toward roef! Try it!

OOC: The only way you'd "win" is if you storm out of the thread crying. All of our nations have crushed nations larger, smarter, and generally better then you.

I told you, we don't need to be within 100 miles of Roef to reduce it to a pile of molten radioactive slag. One push of a button from each nation and Roef is a Irradiated Wasteland.

I don't like using nukes, it's not a fun way to crush a nation.

But in your case i'd make an exception.

Roef, a werewolf and a vampire are what gives their enemies nightmares. I'm not declaring war on you and I know you're dying to get your hands on better equipment so I'm not going to fall for it. I'm sure I can figure out a reason to invade you buddy.

You cant just claim they give me nightmares. Maybe they do, but than, nukes woud give your people nightmares.

You cant just claim they give me nightmares. Maybe they do, but than, nukes woud give your people nightmares.

OOC: Your nation doesn't have nukes... read the stickies to understand.

Orbital batteries take out the nuclear weapons and the AA outer system is designed to take out nukes. Can't you see that you cant go around nuking people?

Volzgrad, that sums up everything!

lol wut?


I can pretty much name any modern tank in existance.

Abrams, M60, Leopard 1/2, LeClerc, Challenger 1/2, Merkava,Sabra, T-64/72/80/90, Type-98/99, M-84/2001/Degman, PT-91, that Swede tank...



unless you mean NS designed tanks, which people usually get mad if you say you operate them, without buying them.

I mean tank i bought, own design tank, NOT THE CRAPPY ONES, and modern tanks... Want to find out?

OOC: Your nation doesn't have nukes... read the stickies to understand.

Good Point Volz, Roef, your nation hasn't existed long enough for it to qualify for it to have a nuclear arsenal.

I mean tank i bought, own design tank, NOT THE CRAPPY ONES, and modern tanks... Want to find out?

OOC: All your tanks are garbage...

Orbital batteries take out the nuclear weapons and the AA outer system is designed to take out nukes. Can't you see that you cant go around nuking people?

Yes i can, but i think YOU cant, just as stokmolvi, or whatever he is called, he nukes you without a reason, go cry to him... I bet you use nuclear weapons, and such to destroy nation larger, and mostly BETTER than you! You woudnt win in a fair fight, so you use nukes. That is the problem with all of you!

You older nations should know better than to continue trading threats with a new nation over his store... its not showing a good example.
You are only nurturing the n00bness.

Actually Lynion doesn't have any nuclear weapons of any kind. I have nuclear reators but no nuclear weapons

The Fat People Rupublic now made clear:
They dont Fuck*ng care if you ban everything, in a day or two, you declare war anyway, you always do! You are an arrgesive nation, witch still do'snt mind!
You got 750 million, i got 600 million! Jezus! I coud fight back you know!

OOC: Good Lord, this is getting ridiculous.

Firstly, I'm no tank expert - in fact, the only thing I'm even close to an expert in is organic chemistry, and since I left college, that's been a little sketchy.

However, a look on wikipedia should tell you that the armour on your tanks...isn't great - no-one will buy it, not even friendly nations! And as for giving them to an enemy: my nation would not accept a gift of war vehicles that a) we don't use, and therefore would be a logistical nightmare to cater for, and b) that are coming from a nation we are at war with - we don't know what you've done to them. Plus, unless you're planning to transport them in lead boxes, the radiation those things would give off would be detected before the ship made port - most nations here employ radiation checks through their customs, and uranium tankettes would be picked up...rather quickly.

Now, most of the guys here are happy to give you some pointers - and a lot of them know more than most, especially over at the Draftroom (one in fact adds to wikipedia articles, writing about tanks I never even knew existed). If you can't take the criticism here, then the guys there will dissect your tank to the last bolt and tear it to shreds - it'd be better if you cooled off a little, took some time to think about it and then came back with a design that's got it's basis at least on a real-life tank - take a look at their statistics, and see how different they are to your tank, then amend as necessary to bring it in line. Hell, look at other tanks, ask people like Lyras, Macabees, and other tank designers for help - there's no shortage of them on NS.

And they're not going to invade you over a poor tank design - they know better (or at least should) than that.

Also - the flaming and cursing don't endear people to your cause, along with the general belligerence. We've (or most of us) have been in this situation - take the help that comes and be grateful for it!

Yes i can, but i think YOU cant, just as stokmolvi, or whatever he is called, he nukes you without a reason, go cry to him... I bet you use nuclear weapons, and such to destroy nation larger, and mostly BETTER than you! You woudnt win in a fair fight, so you use nukes. That is the problem with all of you!

OOC: I've never used nukes and I've conquered at least five nations over the course of my history.

P.S. If you REALLY want to see what an actual storefront looks like, then just click on the link of just about anyone's sig.

Good Point Volz, Roef, your nation hasn't existed long enough for it to qualify for it to have a nuclear arsenal.

My nation exist long enough! I suppose, lynion, existing 2 weeks longer, exist long enought to have around 7000 nukes? I dont think so...

Want to find out?

That could be taken in so many different ways. :tongue:


What is this, a threat? even if you do have "better" tanks, I know how to use mine effectively.

That could be taken in so many different ways. :tongue:


What is this, a threat? even if you do have "better" tanks, I know how to use mine effectively.

OOC: Exactly, tactics will always top technology. Weapons are useless if you don't have experienced users.

Its Lynion policy to never have nukes. Besides, it ruins the fun out of things! You can look around and you'll see that Lynion never have nuclear weapons and doesn't own or harbour any.

you can burn in hell, i really hope you will...

And second, i got good users! These soldiers are experienced!

OOC: Exactly, tactics will always top technology. Weapons are useless if you don't have experienced users.

In all fairness, monkey with nuke always > army :tongue:

OOC: Good Lord, this is getting ridiculous.

Firstly, I'm no tank expert - in fact, the only thing I'm even close to an expert in is organic chemistry, and since I left college, that's been a little sketchy.

However, a look on wikipedia should tell you that the armour on your tanks...isn't great - no-one will buy it, not even friendly nations! And as for giving them to an enemy: my nation would not accept a gift of war vehicles that a) we don't use, and therefore would be a logistical nightmare to cater for, and b) that are coming from a nation we are at war with - we don't know what you've done to them. Plus, unless you're planning to transport them in lead boxes, the radiation those things would give off would be detected before the ship made port - most nations here employ radiation checks through their customs, and uranium tankettes would be picked up...rather quickly.

Now, most of the guys here are happy to give you some pointers - and a lot of them know more than most, especially over at the Draftroom (one in fact adds to wikipedia articles, writing about tanks I never even knew existed). If you can't take the criticism here, then the guys there will dissect your tank to the last bolt and tear it to shreds - it'd be better if you cooled off a little, took some time to think about it and then came back with a design that's got it's basis at least on a real-life tank - take a look at their statistics, and see how different they are to your tank, then amend as necessary to bring it in line. Hell, look at other tanks, ask people like Lyras, Macabees, and other tank designers for help - there's no shortage of them on NS.

And they're not going to invade you over a poor tank design - they know better (or at least should) than that.

Also - the flaming and cursing don't endear people to your cause, along with the general belligerence. We've (or most of us) have been in this situation - take the help that comes and be grateful for it!

That is the most sensible post so far.

I'm going to back out of this thread, as it's going to become a flame war otherwise. Lynion, if you happen to find a reason to squash Roef, send me a TG, i'll be only too happy to help.

*Backs out of thread*

you can burn in hell, i really hope you will...

And second, i got good users! These soldiers are experienced!

OOC: These are the comments that will make every user of NS hate you. The fact that you get so worked up over this is scary all on its own.

EDIT: experienced from what? You've never even fought in a war!

Coud you all shut up?

Coud you all shut up?

OOC: That all rests on you, simply stop pouring gasoline on the inferno.

OOC: These are the comments that will make every user of NS hate you. The fact that you get so worked up over this is scary all on its own.

Yea, i get a bit, no, a lot pissed off if everybody tells me, i can only trow rock, but a nation of 150 million more got nukes, rockets, tank, weapons and everything. I dont care if Lynion hates me,i think he is a... I am smart enought not to say it...

Yea, i get a bit, no, a lot pissed off if everybody tells me, i can only trow rock, but a nation of 150 million more got nukes, rockets, tank, weapons and everything. I dont care if Lynion hates me,i think he is a... I am smart enought not to say it...

OOC: Good, your learning to control your anger. Treat other people how you'd like to be treated and it'll all work out in the end.

No it wont, they will, even if i got 12 billion, tell i can only trow rocks, witch is not true now also.

Why not take my advice from your Operation: Sergeant thread: Spend some time writing a factbook or a WikiStates entry, if you can (I can't, so don't ask for my help on WikiStates).

At the moment you can claim "I have M1 Abrams etc" all you like, but there's no proof of it. A factbook, as long as it's not ridiculous, like "I have a billion tanks and a trillion nukes i am invincible etc" then other NS users will have a reference for when dealing with you and will probably begin to respect you more if you have a consise written document detailing your military numbers, equipment, history etc.

Also, stop the flaming - in all your threads.

*Blinks, Then Steps Back Out Of Thread*

No it wont, they will, even if i got 12 billion, tell i can only trow rocks, witch is not true now also.

OOC: No-one's saying that - but what they are saying is that you've not a lot of money to spend on your military - you've not fought any wars, so your men are experienced only as far as war games will take them. In your case, with your budget, it would be far better to have a small, well-trained army without nuclear weapons or huge amounts of tanks - you need to have a strong emphasis on infantry working with guerilla tactics, in my opinion.

As for the nuclear weapons - the British Trident system is projected to cost $200 billion to replace - that's not buying new, just upgrading what they have - they already have management systems, maintenance, and everything else. Your defence budget (from http://nseconomy.thirdgeek.com/nseconomy.php?nation=Roef) is not far under $28 billion. The Manhatten Project (the US's nuclear bomb program that lead to Little Boy and Hiroshima) cost $23 billion in today's money - there is positively no way you could afford nuclear weapons at this point in time - use the NS Issues to improve your economy, and then ask someone in the know if you can afford nuclear weapons in a few weeks.

Yea, i get a bit, no, a lot pissed off if everybody tells me, i can only trow rock, but a nation of 150 million more got nukes, rockets, tank, weapons and everything. I dont care if Lynion hates me,i think he is a... I am smart enought not to say it...

OOC: Lynion can afford those types of things because he has one of the best economies in the game. You have the worst. You will have access to more money as your population grows, but if your economy is bad, you may have access to less money than a nation MUCH smaller than you that has a better economy.

Yes i can, but i think YOU cant, just as stokmolvi, or whatever he is called, he nukes you without a reason, go cry to him... I bet you use nuclear weapons, and such to destroy nation larger, and mostly BETTER than you! You woudnt win in a fair fight, so you use nukes. That is the problem with all of you!
[OOC: Somebody get the water hose. Roef, I dislike it when somebody mentions me, makes fun of my nation name, and then goes on to say that I am a warmonger that attacks every new nation in existence. If this were true, then nations like the Beatus, (Soviet) Aissur, and Yanitaria would have gone hating me by now, since all of them formed later during the year. I would have nuked you over your nukes, but you backed out. The only reason I used nuclear missiles is because I am too lazy to sail over to your nation and occupy it. Besides, a nuclear war on a huge scale is a Very Bad Thing(tm).]

No it wont, they will, even if i got 12 billion, tell i can only trow rocks, witch is not true now also.

As the individual who made the comment in question, I feel it fair to restate what I originally said, in context.

I said that, with a defense budget of approximately $320 Million (I use NSTracker for my figures, from personal preference), you do not have enough funds to field more than a handful of anti-ship missiles, the radar systems necessary to track and acquire targets for said missiles, the launchers for said missiles, the maintenance and upkeep for the missiles, radars and launchers, training for radar technicians, training for missile launch and reload teams, salaries for your missile launch teams, salaries for your radar technicians, salaries for your logistics staff who will bring food, gas, spare parts, munitions and other necessities to these individuals, etc. Even if you dedicated the entirety of your national defense budget to Anti-Ship Missile systems. Thus, after launching a handful of Anti-Ship missiles, your military would be forced to resort to throwing rocks, because in your current state your nation cannot afford anything more.

I stand by my statements. With your budget, you would have enough money to support possibly one branch of your Armed Forces for about one day of combat operations. For a bit of context, the U.S. military spends on average $400 Million per day in Iraq (http://usliberals.about.com/od/homelandsecurit1/a/IraqNumbers.htm). That's the entire Roef defense budget, plus $80 Million, in just one day of operations, and it's not even close to the entire U.S. military that's deployed there.

You need to fix your Economy via the daily Issues, and take the advice of people willing to help, rather than flame them and aggravate people until they do decide to declare war on you and burn your country off the face of the Earth.

Well, someone sad my best weapons are bloody rocks, so i get a bit pissed off.

*Roef's defense budget is 27,666,310,648.93, or about 27.6 billion dollars a year, according to NSTracker.

I see, so tthat means, i can build nukes, or orckets and such.

Yes you can, technically. You should probably worry about putting a conventional military together first however.

As for the nuclear weapons - the British Trident system is projected to cost $200 billion to replace - that's not buying new, just upgrading what they have - they already have management systems, maintenance, and everything else. Your defence budget (from http://nseconomy.thirdgeek.com/nseconomy.php?nation=Roef) is not far under $28 billion. The Manhatten Project (the US's nuclear bomb program that lead to Little Boy and Hiroshima) cost $23 billion in today's money - there is positively no way you could afford nuclear weapons at this point in time - use the NS Issues to improve your economy, and then ask someone in the know if you can afford nuclear weapons in a few weeks.

Nukes, no. Missiles, yes.

You all realize Roef has only a slightly smaller defense budget than modern day France... don't you?

Hey, if you're going to go around nuking eachother, at least give me all your money by buying Anti-Ballistic Missile Satellites before you get turned to dust.

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=562853

Its generally considered inappropriate to advertise your products in another persons storefront, in case you didn't know any better.

I know, but I saw that all you guys were talking about nuclear war, and couldn't resist.

*Roef's defense budget is 27,666,310,648.93, or about 27.6 billion dollars a year, according to NSTracker.

His budget is $27.6 Billion in his currency, converted to approximately $320 Million Universal Dollars, according to NSTracker. I do research most of the claims that I make, before I make them.

If you want to get really technical, then it is exactly $331,982,714.0648 rounded to the ten thousandth dollar.

Well.. I don't recognize that aspect of NSTracker, but that's an issue for another thread.

Fair enough. Like I said, it's a personal preference, and I apply it equally to everyone. It just seems more immersive to me to have budgets, et al displayed in a nation's own currency, because that's what they would raise from their taxpayers, and that's what they would have at hand to spend.

I coud affort more than 2 missiles! You are sutch a dumass! And anyway, my nation woud do all i coud to destroy as much as possible, and kill as much enemy's as possible!
Insults are not acceptable.
Whether you want to accept it (a wise decision at this point) or not (not so smart), the people who are posting are trying to help you and explain why no one will buy your weapons and vehicles. Several have offered to help.

If you honestly want to play this aspect of the game, I suggest you do, in fact, consider their advice and experience. If not, your experience will be less than enjoyable.

If i was at war, i sad i want to give the ma peace sign. These tanks, i ask them to use it, and i dont tell the design! You arent realy smart are you? Insults STILL are not acceptable.
Who is going to buy weapons without knowing the specs on them?

Now this is untrue. As you can see, Lynion is stupid... I think most nations are VERY stupid, so i suppose one will be stupid enought to buy some.
Insults still not acceptable.

Yea, i get a bit, no, a lot pissed off if everybody tells me, i can only trow rock, but a nation of 150 million more got nukes, rockets, tank, weapons and everything. I dont care if Lynion hates me,i think he is a... I am smart enought not to say it...

It doesn't matter if I have a bigger population than yours. Its about having the economy to pull it off. Now, I'm going to make an offer, look at the end of this post.

OOC: Lynion can afford those types of things because he has one of the best economies in the game. You have the worst. You will have access to more money as your population grows, but if your economy is bad, you may have access to less money than a nation MUCH smaller than you that has a better economy.

Thank you Gun Manufacturers, you have my respect.

Now, if anyone is going to ask me or thinks about, I'm willing to have people wonder over to Lynion and its colonies and see once and for all I DON'T have nukes!

Oh ho! Is that a threat?! Let me tell you something Roef, we wouldn't even need to get troops within 100 miles of your nation to beat you.

And even if we did, our troops would be more likely to be killed by laughter than your weapons.

EDIT: And Lynion is a damn sight cleverer than you sir, making foolish threats like you do.

Actually I haven't threaten him yet or have I? I'll get back to you on that one. Roef, its best to use tactic's that hope that if you throw everything that you might win.

Yes i can, but i think YOU cant, just as stokmolvi, or whatever he is called, he nukes you without a reason, go cry to him... I bet you use nuclear weapons, and such to destroy nation larger, and mostly BETTER than you! You woudnt win in a fair fight, so you use nukes. That is the problem with all of you!

Actually I got one thing to point out about this quote. When I was around th 360 million population point, I did something that everyone might've think was stupid. During the Rynibar Conflict, Volzgrad which was in the 1 billions, had taken the southern Tip of Rynibar and was about to invade the rest of the island. To avoid a war that'll break our fronts, I banded together most of the nations and Rynibar and put forward a plan that would nearly wipe out Volzgrad forces. They would attack Volzgrad front causing his reserves to go out in force thus leaving his harbour lightly defended by I think around 150 to 200 warships I don't know the numbers. Anyhow, using an air force of around 200 fighters, bombers and topedoe fighters, The Lynion Air Force alongside an additional 140 warships and 3 carriers helped take out Underhill Harbour where Volzgrad was stationed. While this was happening, i luanched two landings at the southern part of Volzgrad control zone and the eastern part of Volzgrad control zone and we started to push them back. It ended with Volzgrad having the bulk of his fleet sunk and not a single nuke was fire. I didn't use a nuke but I engaged a larger and a better nation and Volzgrad was an excellent enemy at the time.

Roef, there are a lot of nations you can learn from about how to act around bigger nations. Look at Romandeos for example.

You know how he got so big with out being turned in to a radioactive desert every other wendsday? I'll tell you: HE DIDN'T SWEAR EVERYBODY OUT IF THEY GAVE HIM CRITICISM!!!!

We've tried to help you many times yet you always yell and swear at us when we do.

Roef, why can't you take constructive criticism like everyone else?

It doesn't matter if I have a bigger population than yours. Its about having the economy to pull it off. Now, I'm going to make an offer, look at the end of this post.



Thank you Gun Manufacturers, you have my respect.

Now, if anyone is going to ask me or thinks about, I'm willing to have people wonder over to Lynion and its colonies and see once and for all I DON'T have nukes!



Actually I haven't threaten him yet or have I? I'll get back to you on that one. Roef, its best to use tactic's that hope that if you throw everything that you might win.



Actually I got one thing to point out about this quote. When I was around th 360 million population point, I did something that everyone might've think was stupid. During the Rynibar Conflict, Volzgrad which was in the 1 billions, had taken the southern Tip of Rynibar and was about to invade the rest of the island. To avoid a war that'll break our fronts, I banded together most of the nations and Rynibar and put forward a plan that would nearly wipe out Volzgrad forces. They would attack Volzgrad front causing his reserves to go out in force thus leaving his harbour lightly defended by I think around 150 to 200 warships I don't know the numbers. Anyhow, using an air force of around 200 fighters, bombers and topedoe fighters, The Lynion Air Force alongside an additional 140 warships and 3 carriers helped take out Underhill Harbour where Volzgrad was stationed. While this was happening, i luanched two landings at the southern part of Volzgrad control zone and the eastern part of Volzgrad control zone and we started to push them back. It ended with Volzgrad having the bulk of his fleet sunk and not a single nuke was fire. I didn't use a nuke but I engaged a larger and a better nation and Volzgrad was an excellent enemy at the time.

OOC: I remember that! Clever plan I have to admit. You bunch really beat me up fairly well that battle. I guess I made up for it when I captured the northern half of Blacktopia later on in a different RP.

OOC: And then shortly afterwards we out aside our differences for a war and then we became friends. Hahahahahaha! Anyhow, Roef, that was Lynion gathering smaller nations to bring down a bigger nation and that is tactic's.

Hey Volzgrad, the only thing I was worried about was if you didn't send those reserves. Haha, it proves my point that smaller nations can bring down bigger nations if they use tactics.

I am not getting angry of help, but i do get angry if people stay telling me, than my nation can trow 2 rockets, and than it TOTALY without cash...

And even if we did, our troops would be more likely to be killed by laughter than your weapons.

What has he some how manged to get hold of the funniest joke in the world?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JJFZrOLQM-Y

Ok
i have a way to solve all this.
now everyone shut the fuck up.

Roef, i challenge you and only you AND NOONE ELSE.
to a war, i will decalre war only if you accept. we will fight. i am bigger then you i have nukes but i swear on the honor of all things kewen, i wont use my nukes k?

now we can see if your tank claims are alright, and MAYBE just MAYBE put and end to this noobdfaggotry and that goes for everyone.

now everyone shut the fuck up.

yur Kewen this just lead to more shit so cut it out

No, everyone needs to cut it out, noone seems to understand. HES NOT GOING TO LISTEN. and if he getsnto a war with you, hes going to be pwned. and i dont know about you guys, but the thought of making some poor little kid at home get all sad becasue a bunch of older more experianced people crushed him.(even if he does deserve it) it dosnt sit right with me.


hes not going to understand. so why not listen, leave him alone and dont provoke him. he went all swearing because numerous times you wouldnt stop with the "helpful critizsim"(which was helpful) even when he asked.

anyhow.

Roef, my offer stands. Kewen e Mano! Me vs You. to see if you really can RP and maybe prove all these people wrong.

I'm only a few days older than him, I'll be happy to make a Closed thread and have a one on one against Roef

Nein!!! i challenged first!

and i am a noob in the ways of MT so its fitting.

Yeah, but he'll probably still complain about how you're a much bigger nation, beating up on him. In fact, he's currently in a war with a nation about the same size as yours, and is just giving the guy the ignore cannon basically because of his size.

Besides, I'm the one who said (and still says) that Roef would basically be throwing rocks after a few days of fighting, at best, because the Roef-ian defense budget (not to mention their economy) is garbage. Which is the comment that got him so wound up. So for me, it'd be poetic.

If to make him happy, i'd gladly rp the war as if with a nation size exactly like his, if not smaller.

This is why I don't engage in wars to often, and when I do it may only be to help out friendly nations where I may send a battalion or two. Though I have since started the RP kept my story constant and on NSwiki or is it wikistates the one that went down and is now back up, though the article needs to be finished and fixed up immensely.

While I understand and indeed support some measures to keep it more realistic so we don't see people saying "i just lunched a gazillion nuclear missiles at ur country and it landed on u destroying all of ur tanx and everything else so i win you lose etc" But they are simple bits that do annoy me with some of the older nations who seem to think that they are all knowing and what they say goes. While Reof is a different case and should be attempting to try and fix up his storefront, though people who say his idea of selling cheap weapons to nations so that he can come through and attack them with their shitty weapons is rather clever, though would not work as very few people would buy this weapons. But yes back to my main point there does sometimes seem to be a large amount of people where these 'rules' (I use the term loosely) are in place and some aren't entirely correct to RL yet people don't really want to give them any flexibility. And hell, there is one NS issue where we have the option of sending rockets into space, one of my nations got that very quickly only about a week in, yet if I came on here saying that I had a space program with that nation it would almost certainly be yelled down by a few posters who in my opinion sometimes like to be the police rather than a neighbour.

Can anyone just drop all of this? Ok so the guys makes crap stuff, let him do it and learn from his mistakes. Can't we just ignore this until he gets it better via the NS Draftroom??

Yea do that. I made a topic on NS draftroom, and they gave help, it is going better...
I will send the design, wait a sec..



SE 46 main battle tank
Crew: 4, gunner, commander, driver, loader
Engine: AGT-1700 turbine engine
Weight: 67 tons
Lenght: 9.2 meters
Height: 2.1 meters
Armor: Steel Plate, depleted uranium, titanium, ceramics, tungsten
Speed: 37 mph
Fuel: 2100 liters
Commanders gun: M2 - .50 cal
missiles: 7 ATGM missiles
Turret: 105m gun turret
co-axial: M240 machine gun
Further information:


Classification: Military main battle tank
Manufacturer: M.H.T.G designs
Designer: M.H.T.G designer; John alterna
Designed: 2001
Country of Origin: Roef
Produced: unknown
Users: Roef-ian military, M.H.T.G operations
Numbers Produced: unknown

OOC: Now you're getting the hang of it!

Actually I got one thing to point out about this quote. When I was around th 360 million population point, I did something that everyone might've think was stupid. During the Rynibar Conflict, Volzgrad which was in the 1 billions, had taken the southern Tip of Rynibar and was about to invade the rest of the island. To avoid a war that'll break our fronts, I banded together most of the nations and Rynibar and put forward a plan that would nearly wipe out Volzgrad forces. They would attack Volzgrad front causing his reserves to go out in force thus leaving his harbour lightly defended by I think around 150 to 200 warships I don't know the numbers. Anyhow, using an air force of around 200 fighters, bombers and topedoe fighters, The Lynion Air Force alongside an additional 140 warships and 3 carriers helped take out Underhill Harbour where Volzgrad was stationed. While this was happening, i luanched two landings at the southern part of Volzgrad control zone and the eastern part of Volzgrad control zone and we started to push them back. It ended with Volzgrad having the bulk of his fleet sunk and not a single nuke was fire. I didn't use a nuke but I engaged a larger and a better nation and Volzgrad was an excellent enemy at the time.

I was there! with a small force, I remember it ended in a peace deal. To stop the war and killing. He was a good adversary.

Yea do that. I made a topic on NS draftroom, and they gave help, it is going better...
I will send the design, wait a sec..



SE 46 main battle tank
Crew: 4, gunner, commander, driver, loader
Engine: AGT-1700 turbine engine
Weight: 67 tons
Lenght: 9.2 meters
Height: 2.1 meters
Armor: Steel Plate, depleted uranium, titanium, ceramics, tungsten
Speed: 37 mph
Fuel: 2100 liters
Commanders gun: M2 - .50 cal
missiles: 7 ATGM missiles
Turret: 105m gun turret
co-axial: M240 machine gun
Further information:


Classification: Military main battle tank
Manufacturer: M.H.T.G designs
Designer: M.H.T.G designer; John alterna
Designed: 2001
Country of Origin: Roef
Produced: unknown
Users: Roef-ian military, M.H.T.G operations
Numbers Produced: unknown



Now you're getting it right Roef! Also, for production it means from when did you start building it to when you stopped building it. For most, newer vehicles will usually have:

*Insert Year Here* - Now.

Keep on sending your things to the draft room and you'll be producing good vehicles after a while.

Big IMprove ment, i might just suggest one little thing. go for a whee bit of a bigger gun. feel free to ignore this.

Yea, the turret is now a 120mm L45 smoothbore, and after it is done, i will send a new design, to have a look...

the 105 mm could work if it was a High-velocity Railgun other then that the 120mm L45 smoothbore is the better weapon for the tank

I know, that is why i changed it, and use a 120mm L45 smoothbore...
And you, everybody, do you like the new design? This one is good right?

Sounds like a very good tank. I'm a bit worried about the depelted uranium but i won't say anything at this point.

Sounds like a very good tank. I'm a bit worried about the depelted uranium but i won't say anything at this point.

http://www.army-technology.com/projects/abrams/

Ok, that seems fair enough. I won't say anything else now.

Well, it is a good tank right? everybody happy?

it's getting there, more you let people help you ,the better it gets

Looks like an interesting well rounded tank to me! I will pre-order 10.

Anemos major:
I am sorry for now, only selling until it is fully done. I am still editing, and changing the thing. I will make a new storefront, named:
RTH-78-main battle tank released for export [M.H.T.G war vehicle]
When this appears, you can buy... I am still changing and bettering it.
But, thanks, it realy means a lot to me if you all think it is a good one...

I made it, go to:
RTH-78 main battle tank

Providing a link to a thread is also a good idea.