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There is a big factory, building rockets, that is operation rockets.

"Operation rocket starts!" Says a paper top.
"Operation Rockets is now open. The factory finaly started.
The biggest factory in Roef, in it: 5500 workers, and outside 10.000 troops guarding it. At this moment, more workers are getting started.
This factory produces 2 nukes each day (in NS time), and 720 normal rockets, and 3 warheads. These rockets will be used in every state of war, or to destroy towns of enemys."

Later that week:
"After one week, around 5000 rockets, 14 nukes and 21 warheads are produced!
The biggest factory is going good, and building more at this moment."

.... :rolleyes:

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Above Roef

Slowly, silently, the glider crept across the sky. It's wooden form cast no shadow on this moonless night, and it threw hardly a blip on any radar screen, much less than any normal plane. Piloting the craft, Marcvs Fvrivs reached up and turned on his microphone. "Good luck boys," he stated in quick latin. "Drop zone in 1 minute... 30 seconds... 15... GO!"

With that, man after man began to throw himself out of the back of the glider, embarking on their HALO jump down to the surface. Under the cover of the darkness, they would hopefully go unnoticed. These three men were code named squad ECHO for this mission, and would be coordinating with fire teams BRAVO and ZULU. Main objective: end the hostile nation of Roef's nuclear producing abilities. Secondary objectives were to gather any further intelligence against the nation that might be of use. Checkpoint Alpha, the first of four, consisted of penetrating the defenses and making it inside. Satellites had confirmed the presence of a substantial enemy force, up to 1,000 soldiers. At this time, however, and with this insertion, it was unlikely that many would be prepared for what was about to happen.

Operation: GOATSHANK was a go.

Low Earth Orbit

Since recent incidents involving the sale of nuclear weapons by the nation of Roef to hostile rogue nations, it was a standing priority for the Salzland Geo-Spatial Reconnaisance Agency to uncover any and all evidence of expansions to the Roef-ian Nuclear Weapons program. Twice daily various satellites, ranging from IMINT designs which took photos of suspected weapons sites and Uranium enrichment facilities, to SIGINT and ELINT machines which monitored for traces of Uranium and Plutonium released from enrichment labs as well as intercepting Roef communications involving WMDs, passed over the nation.

So when a massive factory, dumping coolant water tainted with traces of Uranium and Plutonium into a nearby river sprung up overnight, the Salzland Ministry for Defense took an immediate interest in it. During this pass, the satellite in question, a KH-13, snapped hundreds of digital photographs of the facility, capturing dozens of intercontinental ballistic missiles stacked along rail lines, awaiting transportation to silos throughout the nation. Housing for thousands of workers, along with equal numbers of soldiers (equipped with, as noted by Salzland Intelligence analysts, substantial quantities of heavy weapons), gave further evidence that this facility would be used for one thing and one thing only: bringing weapons of unspeakable devestation into the world.

Even as the first images were being hand-delivered to Salzland policymakers, each in code-word classified folders, elements of the Salzland Defense Forces were readying for deployment. The Salzland response now lay in the hands of the politicians.

OOC: Spoletivm, a glider...for a HALO jump? What's the point? The glider itself is designed to be a logistical insertion. Do you have any idea how hard it would be to get a glider up to that height, and then KEEP it long enough for an effective HALO jump?

OOC: Spoletivm, a glider...for a HALO jump? What's the point? The glider itself is designed to be a logistical insertion. Do you have any idea how hard it would be to get a glider up to that height, and then KEEP it long enough for an effective HALO jump?

OOC: it isn't unreasonable.

CTS Foxfire (FFG-405)
250 nautical miles from Roefian Waters

The Foxfire was the first, and thus far only, Type 66 stealth frigate to enter Tolvanic service. The ship was running under full emissions control (EMCON) as she closed in on Roefian waters. The lack of detectable emissions, coupled with her miniscule RCS (radar cross section) made it very unlikely anyone had seen the ship, and her captain planned to keep it that way. At the moment her forward Mk.50 VLS held eighteen AGM-303 "Lance" supersonic cruise missiles. This represented a devastating first strike capability should the decision to strike be made. The Foxfire, along with with two Type 94 attack submarines also moving into position, represented one part of the Tolvanic deployment. The other part, the distraction was coming up next.

OOC: Type 66 Link (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=564942)

There is a big factory, building rockets, that is operation rockets.

"Operation rocket starts!" Says a paper top.
"Operation Rockets is now open. The factory finaly started.
The biggest factory in Roef, in it: 5500 workers, and outside 10.000 troops guarding it. At this moment, more workers are getting started.
This factory produces 2 nukes each day (in NS time), and 720 normal rockets, and 3 warheads. These rockets will be used in every state of war, or to destroy towns of enemys."

Later that week:
"After one week, around 5000 rockets, 14 nukes and 21 warheads are produced!
The biggest factory is going good, and building more at this moment."

As ASoGM spy satellites swept over the nation of Roef, pictures of the missile factory, with its large work force and excessive military protection, caught the eye of many of the ASoGM's top intelligence analysts.

Once all the data was processed and duplicated, it was sent to the office of the Minister of Defense, Minister Smithfield.

As ASoGM spy satellites swept over the nation of Roef, pictures of the missile factory, with its large work force and excessive military protection, caught the eye of many of the ASoGM's top intelligence analysts. Also in the images captured by the spy satellites was a ship nearing Roefian waters. The intelligence analysts weren't able to make out what type it was, or who owned it, but they determined that it was some sort of stealth boat, as it wasn't picked up on the satellite's radar.

Once all the data was processed and duplicated, it was sent to the office of the Minister of Defense, Minister Smithfield.


OOC: My frigate is still a couple days out from Roefian waters, I highly doubt your satellites would pick it up since most people don't take random picture sof open ocean that far out.

OOC: My frigate is still a couple days out from Roefian waters, I highly doubt your satellites would pick it up since most people don't take random picture sof open ocean that far out.

OOC: When you said, "The ship was running under full emissions control (EMCON) as she closed in on Roefian waters.", I assumed that you were close enough to his territorial waters that my satellites could have seen you. I'll edit my other post now.

OOC: O, and everybody, i dont sell them, i use them when i need to.

IC:

"Code red! Code red! Enemy spotted!
What orders sir?
Send more defences to the rocket factory AB1f4 (that big factory)!
Yes sir!"

More soldiers started to move to the factory.
A sattelite spotted a enemy ship, and 1 soldier. This was a member of a enemy team they thought.

"How many troops are there now soldier?
around 20 thousand...
20 thousand?! dubble it! You fool! No, send 40.000 to it NOW!
Yes sir! Ofcourse!"

OOC: When you said, "The ship was running under full emissions control (EMCON) as she closed in on Roefian waters.", I assumed that you were close enough to his territorial waters that my satellites could have seen you. I'll edit my other post now.

OOC: My apologies for being unclear.

"Well, that's interesting," muttered Anthony Roberts. An analyst with the Salzland Geo-Spatial Reconnaisance Agency, he was assigned to the Roef desk and tasked with tracking three suspected Weapons of Mass Destruction facilities in that nation. In front of him was the newest series of satellite images, captured mere moments beforehand.

"What do you have, Tony?" asked Peter Gilon, the Roef desk chief analyst and Tony's immediate superior.

"That missile factory in Roef, it seems like someone really wants it protected. The Roef-ians have moved at least two additional divisions into the area immediately surrounding it. They've got so many troops in the area that they're having trouble clearing the roads enough to get their missiles out. Because of this, they're being forced to store them around the factory, meaning that they don't have enough camouflage to hide the extra missiles. If this image is correct, then the Roef-ians aren't just making missiles here, they're making a lot of missiles. More than we suspected. There are easily two hundred ICBMs just lying around, waiting for transport," Tony replied, handing over the picture.

"There's only one reason why a nation would build that many missiles in such a short time. They're going to use them. I need to speak to pass this up the line, and make sure the Defense Minister sees this."

***

To: Nations of the World (OOC: Excluding Roef)
From: Office of the Minister for Foreign Relations, Salzland

Dear Sirs and Madams,

In the last 24 hours, Salzland Orbital Reconnaisance assets have detected the activation of a nuclear weapons fabrication plant in the nation of Roef. Based on the sheer size and already-detected output of this facility (as can be seen in the attached satellite images, made available for your nations to evaluate independently of our own), at this time it is the position of the Salzland government that this is an Offensive weapons facility.

As many of you may or may not be aware, the nation of Roef has a history of supplying nuclear weapons to rogue nations, including weapons that have been successfully utilized in unprovoked nuclear first strikes. We believe that such a rapid expansion of the Roef-ian Nuclear Weapons Program, coming at a time of peace, indicate that this nation is preparing to wage an Offensive war, potentially including the first use of nuclear weapons.

As such, we call on the nations of the world to immediately institute a full series of economic sanctions against the nation of Roef, and to join Salzland in establishing an embargo aimed at halting the shipments of Uranium, Plutonium, heavy machinery, and other components needed for the establishment and maintenance of nuclear weaponry.

Signed,

J. Marcus Davis
Minister for Foreign Relations

OOC: My apologies for being unclear.

OOC: Hey, it happens (I've been unclear in posts before, too). No big deal. :)

IC: ASoGM spy satellites picked up the increased activity at the factory, and included it in their latest intelligence dossier to the Minister of Defense.

TO: Office of the Minister for Foreign Relations, Salzland
FROM: Vamperial Alliance Treaty Organisation, Prime General Rust

VATO countries have responded by expelling any trading ships to any nations part of VATO (OOC: doesn't apply to RBS by the way). However, if you say is true, VATO may be forced to dispatch one of its orbital batteries to watch the increase weapons production in Roef. Please note this isn't a military exercise but a simple watching process we're doing.

However, due to the recent developments of ICBM's, warheads and nuclear missiles, our orbital batteries have gone to Code Orange in case Roef attempts to strike any VATO nation.

"Well, that's interesting," muttered Anthony Roberts. An analyst with the Salzland Geo-Spatial Reconnaisance Agency, he was assigned to the Roef desk and tasked with tracking three suspected Weapons of Mass Destruction facilities in that nation. In front of him was the newest series of satellite images, captured mere moments beforehand.

"What do you have, Tony?" asked Peter Gilon, the Roef desk chief analyst and Tony's immediate superior.

"That missile factory in Roef, it seems like someone really wants it protected. The Roef-ians have moved at least two additional divisions into the area immediately surrounding it. They've got so many troops in the area that they're having trouble clearing the roads enough to get their missiles out. Because of this, they're being forced to store them around the factory, meaning that they don't have enough camouflage to hide the extra missiles. If this image is correct, then the Roef-ians aren't just making missiles here, they're making a lot of missiles. More than we suspected. There are easily two hundred ICBMs just lying around, waiting for transport," Tony replied, handing over the picture.

"There's only one reason why a nation would build that many missiles in such a short time. They're going to use them. I need to speak to pass this up the line, and make sure the Defense Minister sees this."

***

To: Nations of the World (OOC: Excluding Roef)
From: Office of the Minister for Foreign Relations, Salzland

Dear Sirs and Madams,

In the last 24 hours, Salzland Orbital Reconnaisance assets have detected the activation of a nuclear weapons fabrication plant in the nation of Roef. Based on the sheer size and already-detected output of this facility (as can be seen in the attached satellite images, made available for your nations to evaluate independently of our own), at this time it is the position of the Salzland government that this is an Offensive weapons facility.

As many of you may or may not be aware, the nation of Roef has a history of supplying nuclear weapons to rogue nations, including weapons that have been successfully utilized in unprovoked nuclear first strikes. We believe that such a rapid expansion of the Roef-ian Nuclear Weapons Program, coming at a time of peace, indicate that this nation is preparing to wage an Offensive war, potentially including the first use of nuclear weapons.

As such, we call on the nations of the world to immediately institute a full series of economic sanctions against the nation of Roef, and to join Salzland in establishing an embargo aimed at halting the shipments of Uranium, Plutonium, heavy machinery, and other components needed for the establishment and maintenance of nuclear weaponry.

Signed,

J. Marcus Davis
Minister for Foreign Relations

TO: Office of the Minister for Foreign Relations, Salzland
FROM: Office of the Minister of Defense, ASoGM
RE: Roef

Our satellites have also detected the factory, and we are still considering our options. We agree that sanctions against the nation of Roef is an appropriate course of action, but we are not sure if we should escalate matters further than that at this time.

OOC: Did you mean blockade, instead of embargo?

To: nations of the world

From: Roef head of nation

We are builsing those rockets because we know there where a lot of wars, and more will come. Our forces arent useing nukes, until anybody try's to invade or destroy the factory's.
The other rockets, will be used on enemy ships, factory's and roads.
Take away your troops, maybe we coud even help you get nukes or other rockets.

O, and about us, giving nukes to CA, he sad he woud use them for defencive ways.
I didnt use them, i never did. but maybe i will if you all try to stop this all.

To: nations of the world

From: Roef head of nation

We are builsing those rockets because we know there where a lot of wars, and more will come. Our forces arent useing nukes, until anybody try's to invade or destroy the factory's.
The other rockets, will be used on enemy ships, factory's and roads.
Take away your troops, maybe we coud even help you get nukes or other rockets.

O, and about us, giving nukes to CA, he sad he woud use them for defencive ways.
I didnt use them, i never did. but maybe i will if you all try to stop this all.

OOC: That message Salzland sent was to every nation in the world except you. And there's no way you can see the conversations between other nations, unless you have people intercepting diplomatic couriers, cracking encryptions, etc.

TO: Roef
FROM: VATO, Prime General Rust

Its easy saying you'll be using them for defensive purpose. However, what about selling them to Rouge Nations and Rouge Factions such as pirates? Where do you stand on that kind of issue?

To: VATO

From: King of Roef

I didnt sell them. CA got some because he helped me one time. And my nation's biggest sport is pirate hunting. I dont sell nukes to pirates, i never did.
And in the small time it is there, there are around 150 nukes, 220 warheads and 25000 rockets. Dont try to feel that.

TO: Roef, nameless King
FROM: VATO, Prime General Rust


So what do you intend to do with the missiles you have lying around? We know you have a storefront established but curiously: why do you intend to make nuclear missiles, ICBM's and warheads?

TO: Office of the Minister for Foreign Relations, Salzland
FROM: Office of the Minister of Defense, ASoGM
RE: Roef

Our satellites have also detected the factory, and we are still considering our options. We agree that sanctions against the nation of Roef is an appropriate course of action, but we are not sure if we should escalate matters further than that at this time.

OOC: Did you mean blockade, instead of embargo?

OOC: I meant an embargo, because the last time I tried a blockade against Roef's brother, Canedian Army (the one who used the nukes), the rest of the world seemed to think I just meant to invade, rather than clamp down on military exports.

So this time I'm opting for something that can clearly, only be interpreted as directed against the economic precursors necessary to support the build-up of WMDs.

OOC: I meant an embargo, because the last time I tried a blockade against Roef's brother, Canedian Army (the one who used the nukes), the rest of the world seemed to think I just meant to invade, rather than clamp down on military exports.

So this time I'm opting for something that can clearly, only be interpreted as directed against the economic precursors necessary to support the build-up of WMDs.

OOC: Ah ha!

OOC: O, and everybody, i dont sell them, i use them when i need to.

IC:

"Code red! Code red! Enemy spotted!
What orders sir?
Send more defences to the rocket factory AB1f4 (that big factory)!
Yes sir!"

More soldiers started to move to the factory.
A sattelite spotted a enemy ship, and 1 soldier. This was a member of a enemy team they thought.

"How many troops are there now soldier?
around 20 thousand...
20 thousand?! dubble it! You fool! No, send 40.000 to it NOW!
Yes sir! Ofcourse!"

While the Roefian soldiers were tripping over each other, the Spoletian fire teams were quick, agile, and mobile. Encircling the general perimeter of the factory, their black equipment enabled them to meld into the night. Each wore a headset equipped with infrared and night vision optics, and they communicated amongst themselves with hand signals. Each man removed the first of five grenades on his utility belt. Two were of the flash variety (although some men had chosen stun grenades or smoke grenades in place of them), and two were of the normal fragmenting variety, but these grenades they withdrew were special. Each carried a highly compressed dose of VX nerve gas. 30 milligrams was enough to kill a man, and each grenade carried far more than that. It was invisible, odorless, and tasteless, so the men in the camp would not know what hit them. Soon, the whole factory would be in a frenzy.

After lobbing in the grenades with VX, team ECHO swung back around to the main power generator behind the factory. Removing the generator was critical to infiltrating the factory. With no more lights on in the factory, the silent shadows of the Spoletian Special Forces would be able to creep in, plant the charges, and get out without anyone even catching a glimpse of them. After cross-training with the Doomani VESEC and the Candrian ORCA-EA, this mission would be a walk in the park.

Off the Coast of Roef

U-241 slowly climbed closer to the top of the pitch black waters. It had received little orders to this point, only enough to know that this was where it was supposed to be. Then, the transmission machine began ticking.

HOLD POSITION OUTSIDE ROEFIAN WATERS. STOP.
RETRIEVE S.O. UNITS AT 0400. STOP.
THIS MISSION MUST SUCCEED. FULL STOP.

There it was. The game plan. If the insertion team did their job, no one would ever know who pulled off the raid. If not, however, the submarine would take matters into its own hands. From then, it was just a matter of time before Spoletivm was uncovered as the culprit. Hopefully it did not come to that.

The Roef factory set on there light that dont run on the generator.
"I thought i saw a enemy soldier there!"
"Go with 50 maqn and shoot him!"

OOC:
O, and i made a storefront yes, but if you read it, you will see that i dont sell nukes.

The Roef factory stopped building nukes but are still building normal rockets.

To: Enemy's

From: King of Roef

I stopped to build nukes. I want protection!
I fought like 5 wars with the same man (maybe you didnt saw) and i am trying to make sure i can defend next time.

OOC: May I just nuke the poor n00b?

OOC: May I just nuke the poor n00b?

OOC - That makes you as bad as him. Just fire the Ignore cannon.

OOC: Thats why I ask before I do.

While the Roefian soldiers were tripping over each other, the Spoletian fire teams were quick, agile, and mobile. Encircling the general perimeter of the factory, their black equipment enabled them to meld into the night. Each wore a headset equipped with infrared and night vision optics, and they communicated amongst themselves with hand signals. Each man removed the first of five grenades on his utility belt. Two were of the flash variety (although some men had chosen stun grenades or smoke grenades in place of them), and two were of the normal fragmenting variety, but these grenades they withdrew were special. Each carried a highly compressed dose of VX nerve gas. 30 milligrams was enough to kill a man, and each grenade carried far more than that. It was invisible, odorless, and tasteless, so the men in the camp would not know what hit them. Soon, the whole factory would be in a frenzy.

After lobbing in the grenades with VX, team ECHO swung back around to the main power generator behind the factory. Removing the generator was critical to infiltrating the factory. With no more lights on in the factory, the silent shadows of the Spoletian Special Forces would be able to creep in, plant the charges, and get out without anyone even catching a glimpse of them. After cross-training with the Doomani VESEC and the Candrian ORCA-EA, this mission would be a walk in the park.

Off the Coast of Roef

U-241 slowly climbed closer to the top of the pitch black waters. It had received little orders to this point, only enough to know that this was where it was supposed to be. Then, the transmission machine began ticking.

HOLD POSITION OUTSIDE ROEFIAN WATERS. STOP.
RETRIEVE S.O. UNITS AT 0400. STOP.
THIS MISSION MUST SUCCEED. FULL STOP.

There it was. The game plan. If the insertion team did their job, no one would ever know who pulled off the raid. If not, however, the submarine would take matters into its own hands. From then, it was just a matter of time before Spoletivm was uncovered as the culprit. Hopefully it did not come to that.

ASoGM spy satellites to picked up the sub rising to shallow waters, while ASoGM SIGINT satellites picked up the transmission, and relayed it to Intelligence analysts. They then forwarded it to an in house Cryptologist, to be decoded.

To: All nations curently operating in Roef.
From: An unidentified source.

We have realized this situation and have acted as best we see fit.

One modified fighter complete with two excorts are just outside of Roef's radar-range. This modified fighter is equipped with a nuclear-tipped missile that will be fire if any of you request that the aid is needed or that it is simply getting much to strenuous. We can strike essentially anywhere at least semi-close to the coast, including this factory on any word sent by a majority of those this adresses.

To: All nations curently operating in Roef.
From: An unidentified source.

We have realized this situation and have acted as best we see fit.

One modified fighter complete with two excorts are just outside of Roef's radar-range. This modified fighter is equipped with a nuclear-tipped missile that will be fire if any of you request that the aid is needed or that it is simply getting much to strenuous. We can strike essentially anywhere at least semi-close to the coast, including this factory on any word sent by a majority of those this adresses.


OOC: Aren't you a little young, with too weak an economy to have nukes?

OOC- He's broken the 100 mil barrier

Exactely.

OOC: His defense budget (according to NSTracker) is $21,596,319,689 USD (S$89,927,075,186.68, with S$4.1640 = $1). How is it possible with his population and economy to run a nuclear weapons program? Breaking 100 million population doesn't magically give nations nukes.

OOC- True but it's one of the basic tules of II - once you break 100 mil you can have a nuclear program and not get ignored. I didn't make it but most people seem to obey it.

OOC: His defense budget (according to NSTracker) is $21,596,319,689 USD (S$89,927,075,186.68, with S$4.1640 = $1). How is it possible with his population and economy to run a nuclear weapons program? Breaking 100 million population doesn't magically give nations nukes.

OOC: It's not impossible, Israel and South Africa are widely believed to possess nuclear weapons and there budgets are about $10 billion each. India is known to have nukes and there budget is $26.5 billion (per Wikipedia), so it's not impossible, assuming the arsenal is fairly small.

Link (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_military_expenditures)

[OOC: Why can't we just nuke him? If he ignores it, well, at least we tried. None of you think that "25,000 rockets and 150 nukes" from a tiny nation is not at all threatening? I'll launch the nukes myself if none of you disagree. Yes, I have SDI, yes, if you nuke me nothing will really happen, but still.]

OOC: I never thought I'd say this, but I totally agree with Stoklomolvi. After the whole TUG thing I just want someone to show people that you can't just start a thread about making tons of nuclear weapons and not have people get threatened. If you aren't going to use them, why even create the thread?

OOC: It's not impossible, Israel and South Africa are widely believed to possess nuclear weapons and there budgets are about $10 billion each. India is known to have nukes and there budget is $26.5 billion (per Wikipedia), so it's not impossible, assuming the arsenal is fairly small.

Link (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_military_expenditures)

OOC: I guess you're right. It's just that I've seen other young nations being yelled at for being too young and not having enough money, and those were (slightly) larger nations with (slightly) more money than Ursava.

[OOC: Why can't we just nuke him? If he ignores it, well, at least we tried. None of you think that "25,000 rockets and 150 nukes" from a tiny nation is not at all threatening? I'll launch the nukes myself if none of you disagree. Yes, I have SDI, yes, if you nuke me nothing will really happen, but still.]

OOC: Why nuke without at least making an attempt to do things diplomatically?

[OOC: Diplomacy rarely works. In instances with the more experienced and older RPers, it may work, though with new members usually force is required in addition to power. Just because you possess 85,000 nukes doesn't mean that the newbie will listen. You have to show him that you CAN wipe him off the map.]

OOC: That's the stupid thing about newbies. they build nukes, clutter them together and expect everything to listen to them. However, if a good orbital strike, missile strike or something else is used and destorys one nuclear weapon: I wonder what the factory will look like after all the nukes and missiles have gone off.

OOC: Why can't you just post ICly with the guy instead of clogging his thread with worthless OOC banter? Why can't you give the guy what he wants, an RP? Why do you force every n00b that ever sets foot in II out forcefully. It is only by example that they learn.

YOU are the cancer that is killing II, not the people who seemingly don't understand your rules for RP. Belschaft, since when was it a rule that someone with less than 100 million people can't have nukes? It never has been, and it never will be. Uiri, Stoklomovoki, you guys have been on long enough to know better than to act like this. ASoGM, calculators are not the end all be all. They are hardly accurate reports taken from an RSS feed that is spewed out by NS. They are a guideline for what is acceptable. Do you really think that all these nations could be capitalist paradises with the 100% tax rates that the calculator says they have? No? Well then the calculator is wrong.

Now if you'll excuse me, I'd like to continue this RP.

OOC: Listen to Spoletivm. You guys should know better.

[OOC: I was probing around for the reactions of those that would have to reply to my nuclear missile launch. I don't need to take orders from anybody; nobody can force me to do that. That's freeform. Even if you are more experienced than me, Kampfers, I can nuke him if I want to. And I will face the retaliatory actions if need be. Still, if everyone opposes me from nuking him, I won't. Right now, there seems to be overwhelming support.]

[OOC: I was probing around for the reactions of those that would have to reply to my nuclear missile launch. I don't need to take orders from anybody; nobody can force me to do that. That's freeform. Even if you are more experienced than me, Kampfers, I can nuke him if I want to. And I will face the retaliatory actions if need be. Still, if everyone opposes me from nuking him, I won't. Right now, there seems to be overwhelming support.]

OOC: You wanna see what happens when you nuke people with powerful friends? http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=13710874#post13710874 They even sank an entire country one time due to the sheer amount of nuclear weapons they used on it. So I would recommend that you don't use nukes, they are RP destroyers. Only when they are used as a plot device and not a weapon do they actually bring substance to the RP. Right now you are using it as a weapon.

TO: Nameless Roef King
FROM: VATO, Prime General Rust

I have discuss this with the countries that are part of VATO, and I'm going to express that I have a slight concern for the factory, the workers and the men that are guarding it. I don't intend to send an inspector unless you don't take the next bit of advice seriously.

If you contiune to make nuclear weapons, then you need to store them safely. If you contiune to store them in the factory, includes everything you being making, then if a nation wishes to invade you or sees you as a threat, they'll no doublty target the factories first. If they do set off a nuclear missile or warhead, then everything has a high chance of wiping out and poisoning your land for who knows how long.

I suggest you either hide them under camoflague netting or in silos were they'll be better protected. We won't intervine in the mean time but our satelite will be watching you from time to time.

The three, unmarked fighters flew along, making sure to stay out of Roef's radar-range. The pilot in the modified fighter looked at his two escorts before shifting his range to once more adjust. His radio was open to any message sent by anybody in their government. If even a slight majority requested the launch of the nuclear-tipped missile, then his plane would be approximately ten to fifteen kilotons lighter at the press of a trigger. He angled to continue his path and waited, simply wanting to press the trigger and eliminate this threat from the face of the earth.



OOC: Keep in mind, before you get on me; the weight of "ten to fifteen kilotons" is simply an approximate weight given to me by my brother.

OOC: Keep in mind, before you get on me; the weight of "ten to fifteen kilotons" is simply an approximate weight given to me by my brother.

OOC: Kilotons is a measure of yield, not weight. A kiloton is equivalent explosive force of 1,000 tons of TNT. At least Google a word before blindly spewing it out.

OOC: As I said, in what you politely already quoted for me, I was going off my brother and he misheard me on the difference between asking for weight and kilotons and gave me the wrong number as a result. Simply calm down because there's no need to insult me over a minor mistake in typing. Now I'm simply waiting for you to get on me for not knowing about the kiloton thing but give a fourteen-year-old boy a break will ya?

OOC: As I said, in what you politely already quoted for me, I was going off my brother and he misheard me on the difference between asking for weight and kilotons and gave me the wrong number as a result. Simply calm down because there's no need to insult me over a minor mistake in typing. Now I'm simply waiting for you to get on me for not knowing about the kiloton thing but give a fourteen-year-old boy a break will ya?

OOC: I don't think he needs to calm down. He didn't insult you– he just politely and informatively corrected a mistake and offered advice to avoid making the same kind of error again.

OOC: Kilotons is a measure of yield, not weight. A kiloton is equivalent explosive force of 1,000 tons of TNT. At least Google a word before blindly spewing it out.

OOC: ...and lord knows that couldn't be taken as an offensive sentance in the least bit.

OOC: As I said, in what you politely already quoted for me, I was going off my brother and he misheard me on the difference between asking for weight and kilotons and gave me the wrong number as a result. Simply calm down because there's no need to insult me over a minor mistake in typing. Now I'm simply waiting for you to get on me for not knowing about the kiloton thing but give a fourteen-year-old boy a break will ya?

OOC: I never insulted, merely pointed out your use of a word you clearly don't understand. If pointing that out is insulting to you then that's your problem not mine.

I will not reply on this matter further to avoid clogging this thread anymore.

OOC: I agree, I realize you were pointing out the word. The last sentance simply could have been worded less...roughly. Anways, just waiting for somebody to reply to the "unidentified sender's" offer of a nuke ready to launch. So as soon as somebody wants to contact, I'll be able to make an actual IC-post besides that corny little one.

OOC: Why can't you just post ICly with the guy instead of clogging his thread with worthless OOC banter? Why can't you give the guy what he wants, an RP? Why do you force every n00b that ever sets foot in II out forcefully. It is only by example that they learn.

YOU are the cancer that is killing II, not the people who seemingly don't understand your rules for RP. Belschaft, since when was it a rule that someone with less than 100 million people can't have nukes? It never has been, and it never will be. Uiri, Stoklomovoki, you guys have been on long enough to know better than to act like this. ASoGM, calculators are not the end all be all. They are hardly accurate reports taken from an RSS feed that is spewed out by NS. They are a guideline for what is acceptable. Do you really think that all these nations could be capitalist paradises with the 100% tax rates that the calculator says they have? No? Well then the calculator is wrong.

Now if you'll excuse me, I'd like to continue this RP.

OOC: In my experience, I've learned that the calculators are generally accepted as accurate. The only things that change the figures is sales from storefronts, aid received/given, and other IC things that the calculators can't take into account.

The three, unmarked fighters flew along, making sure to stay out of Roef's radar-range. The pilot in the modified fighter looked at his two escorts before shifting his range to once more adjust. His radio was open to any message sent by anybody in their government. If even a slight majority requested the launch of the nuclear-tipped missile, then his plane would be approximately ten to fifteen kilotons lighter at the press of a trigger. He angled to continue his path and waited, simply wanting to press the trigger and eliminate this threat from the face of the earth.



OOC: Keep in mind, before you get on me; the weight of "ten to fifteen kilotons" is simply an approximate weight given to me by my brother.

The ASoGM spy satellites picked up the 3 fighters on their radars, and noted their position near Roef. All data was sent back to ASoGM Intelligence analysts, and after the analysts sifted through the latest information and pictures, determined them to be military aircraft. Somewhere between the time this data left the Intelligence agency and the time it arrived in the Minister of Defense's office, a copy of all the data was made without authorization. Included in the duplicated documents was the encrypted message intercepted earlier, the location of the previously detected sub, and the location of the unknown military aircraft, which was then forwarded anonymously via encrypted means to the nation of Roef. All record of the duplication and transmission was then erased.

[OOC: This is my last OOC post on the nuclear matter. Granate, anyone who has a brain knows what happened to British Londinium, even if it is only the slightest knowledge. Now, I realise that most of you do not know that my nation has an area of 1,784,325,926 square kilometres, and that's fine. That's why I say, "Go ahead and nuke me, for I will not care." If you nuke me, then you have to send missiles over 48,000 kilometres to get from one end of my nation, which has nothing, to the other end, which is my capital. RP destroyers, you say? Look at Vault 10. He freaking RPs a nuclear wasteland, and if I recall he had a blast doing that. Roef can do the same, if nobody else who actually knows about CA vehemently disagrees.]

[OOC: This is my last OOC post on the nuclear matter. Granate, anyone who has a brain knows what happened to British Londinium, even if it is only the slightest knowledge. Now, I realise that most of you do not know that my nation has an area of 1,784,325,926 square kilometres, and that's fine. That's why I say, "Go ahead and nuke me, for I will not care." If you nuke me, then you have to send missiles over 48,000 kilometres to get from one end of my nation, which has nothing, to the other end, which is my capital. RP destroyers, you say? Look at Vault 10. He freaking RPs a nuclear wasteland, and if I recall he had a blast doing that. Roef can do the same, if nobody else who actually knows about CA vehemently disagrees.]

OOC: Roef and Canedian Army are supposedly two different people (brothers, IIRC). And nuking him ICly for OOC reasons is metagaming, which is poor RPing.

OOC: I have an IC reason to be launching a nuke, my unmarked planes have it targeted at a viable threat and don't have unlimited fuel so they will probably fire it after a while...maybe.

OOC: I have an IC reason to be launching a nuke, my unmarked planes have it targeted at a viable threat and don't have unlimited fuel so they will probably fire it after a while...maybe.

OOC: And what is this viable threat based on?

OOC: Did you not read how many nuclear missiles and regular rockets he has? I don't care what other people say, I consider that a threat even if not directly to me but to other nations in the IC world.

OOC: Did you not read how many nuclear missiles and regular rockets he has? I don't care what other people say, I consider that a threat even if not directly to me but to other nations in the IC world.

OOC: So what. Stoklomolvi claims to have a hell of a lot more, I have more, many other nations claim to have more. Roef doesn't have a huge amount, by NS standards.

OOC: Still, with the fact that he is still producing them and that he had been willing to provide them to Canedian Army so willingly I can't trust that he wouldn't do the same with say: a terrorist group. Just because he says he won't doesn't mean it's not a lie.

OOC: Still, with the fact that he is still producing them and that he had been willing to provide them to Canedian Army so willingly I can't trust that he wouldn't do the same with say: a terrorist group. Just because he says he won't doesn't mean it's not a lie.

OOC: That's not enough of a credible threat to launch a first strike with your own nuke. Nukes are supposed to be a last resort. If you feel the need to strike at him now, conventional weapons are the only appropriate weapons.

OOC: I know, I may launch it as I said. Mainly my craft are going to see what the nations involved against Roef have to say about it and if majority says to launch it then I will. Otherwise the chances are still pretty slim.

OOC: I know, I may launch it as I said. Mainly my craft are going to see what the nations involved against Roef have to say about it and if majority says to launch it then I will. Otherwise the chances are still pretty slim.

OOC: You'd run the risk of a nuclear reprisal strike, based on the voting of people already against Roef? You're pretty gutsy. Not to mention that ICly, Roef has been notified of your military aircraft near his nation, which could greatly increase his chances of shooting the missile down. You could end up getting nuked yourself, without accomplishing your goals.

ETA: As into this conversation I am, I have to work in the AM, so I'm off to bed.

[OOC: ASoGM, Roef supplied CA with nuclear weapons, who proceeded to nuke the nations which I was helping. That's more than enough of a casus belli.]

Who sad i store the nukes outside the factory?! They lie under the ground, in silo's and such! I didnt agree that they are outside.

OOC: Yes i gave him nukes, but how did i know what we woud do with them?!
And i stopped making nukes like you woudk now if you read it! I want nukes to make sure, thyat if there comes a nuclear war, i can atleast defend myself. The regular rockets are not that bad, i want them to destroy enemy factory's and ships!

[OOC: ASoGM, Roef supplied CA with nuclear weapons, who proceeded to nuke the nations which I was helping. That's more than enough of a casus belli.]

OOC: Enough reason to nuke Canedian Army, yes (which you did). You also have a good case to demand Roef dismantle his nukes and stop production, or to use conventional weapons to strike at his facilities, but not enough reason to nuke him now.

OOC: He dos not got a reason to ask me to stop building them.
Do you got nukes? Dus Lynion got nukes? Why cant i have them to?
If i want to build nukes, i will. If Lynion can, i can.

OOC: Lynion doesn't have nukes. There was talks about it, but after finding a better weapon, the nuclear program was called off. I'll admit we have nuclear power plants but we don't have a nuclear program because we don't see much points in them. Instead of nukes, we have orbital batteries that can shoot down any nuclear strikes on Lynion and its colonies.

OOC: Good technology. O, and i made a storefront: HCAK for selling. Nukes are only sold to nations with more than 130 million.
And if you dont got them, good job. Than, that other one haves them, eeuh... Stokmolvia or something? It beginst with Stok.

OOC: You're right. Because under the last kings of Lynion, we produced a better weapon that doesn't give radiation. Anyhow, don't ask if you want to buy it because we won't even sell it to anyone. Also, don't try to be friendly with me.

To: The Government of Ursava (And only Ursava)
From: Office of the Minister for Foreign Relations, Salzland

Sirs,

Having recently received a message from your nation detailing the deployment of an aircraft armed with a nuclear weapon to the borders of Roef, we much ask you to please recall it. At this time diplomatic solutions have not been exhausted, and we feel that a nuclear first strike would result in a catastrophic escalation of this situation far beyond what is necessary to deal with the Roef-ians.

Thank you very much for your offer of assistance,

J. Marcus Davis
Minister for Foreign Relations

*****

To: The Government of Roef
From: Office of the Minister for Foreign Relations, Salzland

Sirs,

At this time we are unaware of any outside wars (OOC: Telegram wars conducted outside the forums) that your nation is involved in that would necessitate the rapid establishment of such a large nuclear weapons program. As such, we are forced to view this incident in the harshest possible light which, given your nation's prior history of arming regimes which conduct nuclear first-strikes, is unreassuring to us at best.

At this time we are willing to propose the following: In return for a complete dismantling of the Roef-ian Nuclear Weapons program, verified by random and unfettered international inspections, the Salzland Ministry of Defense is willing to provide training personnel and equipment towards the creation of a Roef National Missile Defense system.

Should any offensive actions be taken against Roef by any un-named hostile nations (OOC: Whoever you're apparently in wars with), then those actions will be noted by the international community at large and appropriate actions taken. Likewise, should offensive actions be taken by Roef, it is only fair that the same standards apply.

Thank you for your consideration,

J. Marcus Davis
Minister for Foreign Relations

*****

To: Nations of the World (except Roef)
From: Office of the Minister for Foreign Relations, Salzland

Dear Sirs and Madams,

At this time, we still hope to achieve a diplomatic solution to the problems caused by the sudden build-up of nuclear weapons in Roef. We kindly ask that all Coalition parties please refrain from any acts of provocation, in order to prevent (likely) indiscriminate nuclear retaliations.

Should diplomacy fail, all other options remain on the table.

In the mean time, in the spirit of full disclosure, the Government of Salzland has offered to assist the Roef-ians in creating a National Missile Defense system, in return for the complete dismantling of their nuclear weapons program. Should they agree, we ask that you kindly consider providing arms inspectors, to supplement our own, and ensure that Roef holds up its end of the agreement.

Thank you for your assistance, and may we be successful in our endeavors.

Signed

J. Marcus Davis,
Minister for Foreign Relations

To: Office of the Minister for Foreign Relations, Salzland

From: King Roef

Why cant we have nuclear missles? Much nations in this world have them. I dont like then, but i know, that if i dont have them, and others do have them, i will only be safe if i got them to. Otherwise others coud have them, use them against me, and i coud not fire nukes back.

TO: Office of the Minister for Foreign Relations, Salzland
FROM: VATO, Prime General 'Rust'

We have consider your thoughts and we are leaving all diploamtic relations open for the time being. We will take part in dispatching inspectors however, until a diplomatic solution has being reached, orbital battery Doom will remain over Roef space for the time being to keep an eye of the factory.

To: Nations of the world (OOC: The ones that post here)

From: King Roef

I dont mind if you all take a look around. I just want to build my nukes, to secure safe for my nation.

OOC:
I am doing good with them, see here:

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=565264

See? I am only selling to under 130 million, i dont care any guild or such.

To: King Roef
From: Office of the Minister for Foreign Relations, Salzland
CC: Involved Nations

Sir,

Having just received your message, we feel it is fair to explain our reasoning in this matter. In the past, your nation has provided nuclear weapons from its own stockpiles to rogue regimes incapable of producing their own weapons. Those regimes promptly used the nuclear weapons provided by your nation in unprovoked first strikes, resulting in millions of deaths and billions in damages.

Additionally, your own nation has a history of launching nuclear first strikes against targets incapable of responding in kind. The Government of Salzland will point to your campaigns of destruction against "Gibraltar" and "United States" as examples of such.

As such, at this time the Government of Salzland believes it is more than fair to ask a nation which sponsors global instability to relinquish its nuclear weapons. We are not asking you to stand defenseless before the world, as our nation has even offered to aid you in constructing a National Missile Defense program. We will not, however, compromise on the issue of nuclear weapons in your nation.

To: Office of the Minister for Foreign Relations, Salzland

From: King Roef

I coudnt know what CA was doing with them!
And, i realy are thinking of that defence thing, but most nations got a nuclear silo. If i dont have them, my nation will become a weak, and powerless nation.

To: The Government of Ursava (And only Ursava)
From: Office of the Minister for Foreign Relations, Salzland

Sirs,

Having recently received a message from your nation detailing the deployment of an aircraft armed with a nuclear weapon to the borders of Roef, we much ask you to please recall it. At this time diplomatic solutions have not been exhausted, and we feel that a nuclear first strike would result in a catastrophic escalation of this situation far beyond what is necessary to deal with the Roef-ians.

Thank you very much for your offer of assistance,

J. Marcus Davis
Minister for Foreign Relations

OOC: How would you know, did you track it? I had said it was from an unknown sender. Besides that all three jets have no markings of country so there really isn't a way to identify them. I'll still react ICly to this however.



IC:
To: The Office of the Minister for Foreign Relations, Salzland.
From: The Ursavian Ministry of Diplomacy.

Sir, we detest such alligations being leveled against us without any solid proof on the matter. The fact that you are so willing to sling around such insults damages our respect for your country.

None-the-less we fullheartedly agree that if diplomatic means prove succesful, that Roef should dismantle. To help maintain this we will provide inspectors once the situation has been fully handled.

To: The Ursavian Ministry of Diplomacy.

From: King Roef

What if i dismantle?! Woud every other nation dismantle to?! No!
I will only dimantle if EVERY other nation dismantles to!

OOC: That's god-modding Roef, the message was to Salzland and Salzland only. If it had been to you I would have stated such...I didn't.

OOC: How would you know, did you track it? I had said it was from an unknown sender. Besides that all three jets have no markings of country so there really isn't a way to identify them. I'll still react ICly to this however.



IC:
To: The Office of the Minister for Foreign Relations, Salzland.
From: The Ursavian Ministry of Diplomacy.

Sir, we detest such alligations being leveled against us without any solid proof on the matter. The fact that you are so willing to sling around such insults damages our respect for your country.

None-the-less we fullheartedly agree that if diplomatic means prove succesful, that Roef should dismantle. To help maintain this we will provide inspectors once the situation has been fully handled.

OOC: My bad, forgot the sender was "unidentified." Disregard the relevant portions of my message.

It just got lost in all of the OOC stuff over the last five pages. Sorry

OOC: wouldn't it be easier if we ignored him?

OOC: It's okay. I understand, I lost control there those...lots of pages back. Also, I'm still itching to take unidentified action so I may drop some commandos in.


IC:
The planes peeled away upon orders, leaving Roef but intelligently not going directly to their original started point until they were well out of the sight of any satalites that might have been watching the country of Roef. Then, once they had reached Ursavian airspace a single aircraft carrier complete with escort moved out with a squad of Naval Marines. They would insert by a HAHO jump and make their way to the main factory and move towards the perimiter around the military forces guarding the factory and they would stay out of range and sight, not engaging but simply monitoring for any and all allied forces. Upon touch-down, a burst transmission would be sent to the countries operating against Roef by another 'unidentified' source. The Naval Marines themselves being unmarked, this would give them at least a little plausible if they were seen.

OOC: This coud be true UJrsave, but more nations tell me to dismantle.

OOC: Perhaps, but on the other hand it would be nicer if you could teach him how to RP properly.

OOC: Lynion, go ignore me, but still i got nukes.

OOC: Perhaps, but on the other hand it would be nicer if you could teach him how to RP properly.

what you mean OOC properly?! I make nukes, other makes to!

OOC: Well, your factory's production rate is nearly impossible on it's own given how long (in NS time) this has been going on, with just a single factory. You have to be more realistic with time of troop movements and production of items man. Like look at my Naval Marines: the planes peeled off and they are just now making their way to your country, not already dropping off.

OOC: that's because they know how to deal with it. They even give us more details and thus, they can be trusted more. Also, you need to improve your grammar.

OOC: The biggest factory of Roef,with 5500 workers. That is not unrealistic than.
And are your planes still on the way to Roef? Maybe i shoud blow them out of the sky.

OOC: Actually, my orbital battery is above you looking down on your factory. Attempt to bring it down, and you'll be having more than you bargin for.

OOC: I was talking to Ursava. I want nukes, because much other nations got them to.

OOC: He was referring to me, threatening to shoot down planes that were already gone. Anyways, we let them have nukes because they didn't sell them to another nation who used them irresponsibly and neither do those countries use them irresponsibly themselves. When they do, we make them dismantle. Now let's quit with the OOC chatter.



IC:
The C-130 slowly cut through the dark clouds of the night while a team of Naval Marine commandos (what commandos are to commandos, who are what commandos are to normal people) looked over at each other in their HAHO jump gear. They had so far gone undetected and were still out of Roef's radar range. That changed as the pilot of the unmarked transport plane came over the speakers in back.

"We have just broken Roef-ian radar range, the jump has been given the green light." The pilot said.

The rear door slowly came open and once it was fully opened, a green light came on. The squad of six simply bolted off the edge of the ramp while the C-130 once more peeled away from Roef once moire. The Naval Marine commandos looked through goggles at the country of Roef far below. They then opened their chutes and started drifting from over the ocean towards Roef-ian territory.

A alarm gone off.
Enemy's gone over the radar range!
Sir, what to do?!
Send a f-22 attack!
Yes sir!

12 F-22's took off. Heading to the area where Ursava man landed.

OOC: You wouldn't know where the men landed, only where the C-130 (which is already leaving) is.


IC:
As Ursavian radar picked up the F-22s attempting to chase a target already near the edge of their radar range, five F35 Lightning IIs; superior fighters in their level of training, left the carrier. The pilots moved themselves to a position that would block any direct route from the F-22s to the retreating Hercules. Then at a range of approximately two miles they opened up with their short-range missiles while their sleek designs made it one of the most challenging tasks ever to detect them on radar.

Close to Roef Waters

Two light cruisers were escorting a radar ship alongside a Swatter as they placed the Radar Ship as close as they could to Roef waters without going into Roef waters. With the power of the additional radar, the orbital battery that would be cruising through space. The idea was simple and it would only be time before they were either seen by someone or the mission would be aborted.

Orbital Battery in Space

"Hey Mike, we got the radar coming through," Eric shouted to his friend on the other side of the station. "This is going to be interesting,"

Mike woke from his slumber as he flew over to Eric as the gravity was turned off due to repairs but even with it on, it didn't change much except in the core.

"Increase the telescope by 10x and then find the factory so we can send the images back to Lynion," ordered Mike.

OOC: Ursava, according to the U.S. Air Force, the F-22 Raptor is the superior fighter. Now, based on military budgets and relative economies in general, you'd have more luck claiming that your pilots have vastly superior training (basically, Roef can barely afford to even pay pilots, let alone have them spend time in their planes).

http://www.af.mil/factsheets/factsheet.asp?fsID=199

Relevant Section (Paragraph Two): "The F-22A cannot be matched by any known or projected fighter aircraft"

OOC: Then wikipedia led me wrong because it said that that it's a 'Generation' ahead of the F-22 in tech and such. This isn't the exact page but had been what the link took me to. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/F-35)

OOC: The Wikipedia article for the F-35 Lightning II also states that "The F-35 is being designed to be the world's premier strike aircraft through 2040. It is intended that its close and long-range air-to-air capability will be second only to that of the F-22 Raptor."

It's okay though, I really had to spend about 15 minutes researching to find that. I'd just go with the vastly superior training... I doubt the Roef pilots even know how to launch missiles, let alone evade them.

OOC: Okay, thanks for pointing that out Salzland. When I had stated it was my country's main fighter I was pretty tired at the time. Thanks man. :)

OOC: No problem!

IC:

"Sir, multiple radar contacts leaving Roef airspace at a high rate of speed. Returns from the low-frequency radar array match returns generated by F-22 Raptors. They appear to be in pursuit of a slow-moving contact, potentially a cargo aircraft, that just left their airspace" reported Electronics Technician Third Class Mark Johnson, of the SDFS Evan Trump, a Ticonderoga-class cruiser. The vessel was deployed to international waters at the onset of the current incident, to fly the flag in anticipation of the arrival of a carrier battle group. For the time being however, the Evan Trump was out here alone. Its low-frequency radar arrays, installed after they had successfully been used to detect and help shoot down an F-117/A Nighthawk during the late 1990s, were a recent precaution used to counter the threat of enemy stealth aircraft.

"Paint the Raptors, so they know that we see them," replied Captain Frank Thompson. "Bring the ship to General Quarters, and make a broad frequency announcement that we are in international waters, and not seeking to provoke a conflict. Make sure you add that any aircraft that pass within 100 miles of us will be considered hostile and engaged. And get on the horn to Naval Command in Rostgard. This could get messy, and I'd like to have a carrier out here if it does."

Sodleir! I saw on the radar some Lynion ships are nearing.
Yes sir?
Send 4 battleships and 1 aircraft carrier.
And what with the F-22's hunting the enemy planes?
Let them open fire when the gun have lockt an enemy.
yes sir.

At the navy base, 4 battleships where filled with marines and soldiers.
The F-22's where hunting the enemy planes, trying to catch them...

To: All nations involved

From: King Roef

Alright, i know how to do this.
I make you an offer:
We will stop producing nuclear missles, and 50% of the nuclear missles already build will be dismantled, the other 50% will be stached underground, in a big silo. Only for use in heavy war, and hopefully, never.
The factory will run, we will stay producing regular rockets. Is that a deal?
Only normal rockets, no nukes.

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Stoklomolvi Commissariat of State
7656 Hegemony Drive, Administrative Compound, Office Complex 7C, Hallway 52L, Room 89
Vladistov, Stoklomolvi

Encryption Level 5, Maximum Encryption
"Fat People Republic of Roef"
To: King Roef
Subject: Dismantlement of Nuclear Arsenal

Stoklomolvi requires that Roef dismantle every nuclear missile factory and every nuclear weapon within Roef. Should Roef fail to meet our requirements, force shall be imposed upon Roef in a very negative fashion. The factory that produces "rockets" shall be monitored by members of the international community to ensure that this kind of fiasco never occur again.

We demand it.

Regards,
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Grigor Aleksandrovich Stuyonovich
Civilian Management
Commissar of Foreign Affairs

Signed,
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Nikolay Alexeiovich Stuyonovich
The Commissar of Stoklomolvi

OOC: Roef, what about the short-range missiles from the F35 fired at your Raptors? You can't just ignore those and they aren't exactely easy to evade when coming from over a mile away from something that you can barely detect man.

To: King Roef
From: Office of the Minister for Foreign Relations, Salzland

Sir,

Following careful deliberations among members of the highest level of government in my nation, we have decided to reject your proposed compromise whereby you would destroy half (1/2) of your nuclear stockpile, while retaining the other half. At this time, we are only willing to discuss the complete nuclear disarmament of the Roef-ian state.

Should a real threat of nuclear attack exist for your nation, realize that we have already offered numerous times to provide the expertise and equipment necessary for your nation to begin constructing its own Missile Defense program. Such a program would certainly go a long way towards negating nuclear missile threats toward your nation. Additionally, should you be attacked with nuclear weapons while your own stockpiles are disarmed, the international community would certainly come to your aid. My own nation would be willing to come to your aid, in the interests of global stability.

But no progress may be made unless your nation is first willing to accept the disarmament of its entire nuclear program, at least until such time as the international community feels that a nuclear-armed Roef is no longer a threat to global stability.

Signed,

J. Marcus Davis
Minister for Foreign Relations.

Force R
300 nautical miles from Roefian waters


The rapidly escalating crisis off Roef had prompted the Government ot order additional forces to the region. The combined force of a carrier battle group and a amphibous assault group was codenamed Force R. The two submarines already operating in the area would continue there patrols, while the Firefox would continue to operate near Roefian waters, but under the tactical command of the Force Commander aboard the carrier Pelican. The Commonwealth was still hopeful that a peaceful resolution to this crisis could be found, but in the event armed action was required, Force R possessed more striking power than the entire Roefian military.

*OFFICIAL COMMUNIQUE*

TO: Roef
FROM: Tyler Hutchins, Prime Minister, Commonwealth of Tolvan

RE: Nuclear Weapons

The Commonwealth does not typically involve itself in the affairs of other nations, particularly ones as small and unimportant as yours, However, your reckless actions as off late have been a cause of untold destruction and instability throughout the world. Not only have you been producing nuclear weapons and delivery systems with reckless abandon, but you have shown a past willingness to sell these weapons to one of the most unstable and poorly run nations in known history.

As a result the Commonwealth demands that you immediately cease the production and sale of nuclear materials and delivery systems, dismatle your arsenal of nuclear weapons and delivery systems, and allow international weapons inspectors to enter your nation and monitor its compliance with these conditions.

As you have expressed a desire for defensive weapons, we are prepared to allow you to retain an arsenal of thirty (30) nuclear warheads provided they are only mounted on delivery systems with a range of less than 1,000 nautical miles and are limited in yield to fifty (50) kilotons.

The following measures will placed in effect until such time as you satisfy the terms of this message:

All travel between Tolvan and Roef is banned
All Tolvanic citizens on Roef soil must vacate within thirty-six hours
All Roefian citizens on Tolvanic soil must depart within forty-eight hours or face arrest for violation of the Immigration Reform Act of 1992
All trade between Roef and Tolvan is halted
Any Roefian business assets on Tolvanic soil, must be removed within ninety-six hours or they will be seized and liquidated


Additionally, the Commonwealth reserves the right to take any further actions it deems necessary to resolve this situation.

We await your reply.

OOC: Roef, what about the short-range missiles from the F35 fired at your Raptors? You can't just ignore those and they aren't exactely easy to evade when coming from over a mile away from something that you can barely detect man.

OOC: Just a point, here. When you turn on your targeting radar, your planes are no longer stealth.

OOC: Just a point, here. When you turn on your targeting radar, your planes are no longer stealth.

OOC: Uness he fired IR missiles.

OOC: Also, that doesn't change the fact he's ignoring the, whether I fire IR missiles or not.

OOC: Uness he fired IR missiles.

OOC: Erm, exhaust anyone?

"Enemy warships heading towards us," reported the operator to the captain.

"Have all ships change course and get out of Roef waters. I think we came too close anyway," ordered the captain.

The radar ship and two light cruisers changed course and went into international waters but were still able to transmit the radar to the orbital battery above them. They hailed down a Lynion convoy and requested they hang around until the Roef naval ships leave them alone.

"This is Captain Jack of the Radar Squadron. I ask that you indentify yourself," Jack said into the radio.

In space

"Ok," started Mike as Eric came over to him. "Eric, check the factory while I check on our blokes. We just picked up signatures heading towards them. Could be 4 battleships and a carrier,"

"They don't have much AA support," repiled Eric.

"And if they're going to engage our boys, we got orders to protect them," replied Mike.

To avoid the possibility of bloodshed, and as there is undoubtedly more than one list of demands, the ASoGM would be interested in holding negotiations regarding this matter, so that all concerned parties may be happy with the outcome. We will set up our Hall of General Ministry, located in the city of Springfield, to receive the delegates. All delegates may arrive at the Springfield international airport, and as this is a peace conference, no weaponry will be allowed.

OOC: Erm, exhaust anyone?

OOC: What does have to do with anything? Unless Roef's planes have FLIR systems, all he'd see are the missiles closing rapidly. That does not effect the stealthiness of the launch platform at all.

Here a massage to all military operations of Roef:

Return home over. Let enemy's flee over.


To: Other nations:

Alright, lets do it like this:
I will dismantle nuclear weapons. BUT when a enemy, like a other nation, declares war, my nuke progrma will re-start. That is my last offer. When i am in war, i will use them of atleast have them.

TO: Roef, Nameless King
FROM: VATO, Prime General 'Rust'

And what if we don't agree to this offer that you have put forward?

To: VATO general 'rust'

From: King Roef

You can say no, but this is the best i can offer. That means, that i dont got nukes, and that is what you wanted. I got rockets, well, i can live with it. Say no if you want, but than i will continue the build of nuclear weapons. This is the best i can or will offer.

OOC: Can I please just nuke his little factory? Especially since he completely ignored the missiles fired by my guys at his F-22s.

OOC: sure go ahead. I doubt he'll acknowledge them.

To: Other nations:

Alright, lets do it like this:
I will dismantle nuclear weapons. BUT when a enemy, like a other nation, declares war, my nuke progrma will re-start. That is my last offer. When i am in war, i will use them of atleast have them.

OOC: All & Other. What's the difference?
IC:

TO: Roef
FROM: Uiri

You shall completely dismantle your nuclear program and destroy it beyond the point of being able to restart it ever. Once you have done this, you shall export any and all radioactive material as well as nuclear waste, nuclear warheads, uranium, plutonium, etc. to Stoklomolvi, ASoGM, Salzland, VATO and ourselves, Uiri.

We are fed up with this fiasco and have watched it go on long enough. We have a ICBM with no warhead pointed at your factory. If you refuse our terms we shall fire it and the force of the missile's impact may even cause a nuclear disaster in your nation.

To: King Roef
From: Office of the Minister for Foreign Relations, Salzland

Sir,

Pending random, periodical and uninhibited international inspections to verify your complete disarmament, we find your latest proposal acceptable. As you are not completely foresaking nuclear weapons, we are not willing at this time to aid in the construction of a Missile Defense program in your nation, but other than that feel satisfied that our conditions have been met.

Signed,

J. Marcus Davis
Minister for Foreign Relations

To: Uiri

From: King Roef

So, i need to give my nukes, and stuff to build them, to you? Forget it. I woud destroy them than.


To: Other nations

From: King Roef

No. If any other nation, declares war, and says he wil use a nuclear missle, i will build some until the end of the war. After the war, they will be dismantled. But, i will not make it so heavy, that only others got them and i dont even can have them. I will dismantle the nekes, buy not give them to Uiri, EVER!

The large missile was light, especially for its size. It was essentially a hunk of carbon composite fibre with a rocket engine to propell it to the factory and hopefully the nuclear stores down below. The very impact would be immense and it did not even have an explosive payload.

40 normal rockets took off to take out the Uiri rocket.

To: Uiri

From: King Roef.

As first, the rockets are not there. As second, i will dismantle them, but not give them to you. If you realy want to have them, keep this up, and you will have them on your capital.

And i cant have nukes, but this one here can sell them? :

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=564240

Osea is selling nuclear reaactors for power planrs, not missiles. The technology is very diferent.

I dont think so...
Well, i suppose Uiri wants nukes?
I will not give them.

OOC: What kind of rockets? How fast are they traveling?
IC:

After recieving the threat from the idiot who had somehow managed to get in control of Roef, Uiri decided that the original plan to launch a Peacekeeper would be put into action in a different sort of way. Uiri decided that the best way to destroy this threat was the way that Uiri destroyed other threats.

3 Peacekeepers were launched from the missile silo to the capital of Roef. Each one would be targetting the same spots around the capital to ensure complete destruction. Using bearing notation, the following points were struck by three 300 kiloton nuclear warheads - 3-6-0, 0-4-0, 0-8-0, 1-2-0, 1-6-0, 2-0-0, 2-4-0, 2-8-0, 3-2-0. With the final three 300 kt warheads, the place of residence of the King of Roef was targetted.

And i cant have nukes, but this one here can sell them? :

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=564240

The ASoGM does not see nuclear weapons in that storefront. The only nuclear devices there are for power generation. The ASoGM would not have a problem with you retaining nuclear power generating capabilities.

Again, the ASoGM would like to invite all involved parties to the ASoGM capital of Springfield, to discuss this matter and resolve it as quickly as possible. Multiple sets of demands will only delay resolution of this conflict, which puts more lives in danger.

OOC: Oh, and Roef, you should probably take care of this attack by Ursava on your F-22s: http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=13989107&postcount=100

OOC: Thsi will be seen as a war crime, and a ecuse to nuke you.

IC:

60 normal, regular rockets took off. 20 to each nuke.
An as the factory maked lots of nukes, 75 where setted up, ready for take off.

To: Uiri

From: King Roef

Take this away, or all the nukes, rockets, atom bombs and warheads will be fired upon your nation!

The ASoGM does not see nuclear weapons in that storefront. The only nuclear devices there are for power generation. The ASoGM would not have a problem with you retaining nuclear power generating capabilities.

Again, the ASoGM would like to invite all involved parties to the ASoGM capital of Springfield, to discuss this matter and resolve it as quickly as possible. Multiple sets of demands will only delay resolution of this conflict, which puts more lives in danger.

OOC: Oh, and Roef, you should probably take care of this attack by Ursava on your F-22s: http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=13989107&postcount=100

O, sorry, i didnt read it, already was thinking: Where is he talking about.

IC:

Soem of the missles hit, some didnt. The remaining planes fired missles back at the enemy planes.

More rockets where brought up, and fired upon the sky to take out the peacekeeper nukes.
400 Rockets where fired, as the factory made 720 a day. 133 each nuke. They will be taken out.

OOC: War crime? Under what law? Also, your King, presuming he is in either the capital or his main place of residence is dead.

WHAT KIND OF ROCKETS?

You can't fire that many in such a small period of time.

OOC: It is kind of a God mode to fire off nukes, have them impact and claim damage in the same post. Even though his economy is in the tank, he could hypothetically intercept them with... something.

Yeah, I know it's a reach.

OOC: Yes i can, as first, they are stached all over the nation, not all on one place.
Kind of? what nukes you use? Tell me and i'l tell you.
And, the nukes didnt hit jet, they are on there way. War crime? I see it as a war crime, if you send 3 nuclear rockets to destroy my capital.

OOC: I said where I was aiming. And yes, he could intercept with a few missiles but not these hundreds and hundreds.

There is no such thing as a war crime in international incident's international law.

I said that they were Peacekeepers. Also, a nuclear program is expensive. You are stretching your budget way too thin because your ecoonmy is shit and you can afford all these missiles and silos and a nuclear program which would tap you dry, leaving you without all those soldiers to guard the factory and if you have those soldiers you need logistics and it is too much for your budget to handle, plus if they are all over the country and you are making them yourself you need to transport them and store them.

To: Uiri

From: King Roef

As first, what if they kill me? my son woud be king. He wous send ALL nukes we got, witch is around 1000, all rockets, a 100.000, all atom bombs, around 350 and all warheads, 1000 to your nation. We woud blow your capital, the biggest city, the one after thar, after that.... etc.

OOC: I said where I was aiming. And yes, he could intercept with a few missiles but not these hundreds and hundreds.

Cant i? I have a big factory, and ofcourse other factrory's making rockets! I got way more than 400 rockets! They are not radioactive or something, jsut exploding.

OOC: OK, your budget can't afford that. Period. Tell me what kind of rockets, how many and how you can afford this because you have to have no air force or navy and it would still be a stretch.
Also, you have only a few posts to respond and most of them have been communications and thus your King would be dead. And where does your King's son live? Huh?

OOC: Lol, my budget can afford it!
These nukes will be destroyed!

IC:

The 133 rockets headiung to each nuke, where ofcourse, winning.
At the first one, 40 missed, but the others did enough to destroy it. One down.
Second: all 133 are trying to destroy it, and some hit, but it isnt destroyed jet.
Third: Rockets still trying to destroy.

OOC: OK, prove it.

Plus, that is godmoding right there. I call the damage to my stuff, you call the damage to your stuff.

Aha, i suppose you will say all 133 miss?

Say what you want, but they will be destroyed.

And what, prove it?
You mean i must send all my nukes, rockets, atom bombs, and warheads to your nation? To show you?

OOC: Prove you can afford it. And no that too is godmoding.

No, I mean, prove it by using the cost of each item you have, subtracting it from your budget and not going into the red.

Warheads are the explosive part of a missile/rocket
Atomic bomb is another name for a nuclear bomb, but more specifically a lower yield type.

Your budget military budget couldn't afford to MAKE more than 1,325 nuclear warheads ( the nuclear explosion part of a nuclear ICBM/SLBM/Bomb/etc) even if it was your only military expenditure; never mind maintain them which is tons of times more expensive. So, no, your budget couldn't afford the factory even if you had NO other military whatsoever.

ASoGM missile early warning stations were going about their day, watching screens that rarely changed. All of a sudden, they spotted the missiles being fired by both Uiri and Roef. This information was forwarded immediately to the Minister of Defense.

OOC: I am ignoring this entire thread because Roef is overspending a huge amount.

[OOC: Uiri, Uiri, Uiri. I see that now you know how it feels when you launch nuclear missiles but eventually just get ignored because the player in question does not care about your nukes. Let me take the fold.]

"Sir!"

A communications commissar ran into the meeting room. The Foreign Commissar, Grigor, stood and nodded.

"Uiri has launched nuclear missiles at Roef, but at the moment nothing seems to have happened. Should we follow through with the attack? Roef seems to have been the supplier of Canedian Army nuclear warheads."

"Send the first wave. 2,000 Topol M missiles."

"Yes, sir."

Silos throughout the far Stoklomolvi colony of Colombia opened up to reveal exactly 1,940 RT-2UTTH Topol M nuclear missiles. The approximate area where the Uir missiles were detected to have disappeared was set and scattered, and the missile wave would detonate in the approximate area. The fate of Roef would be the same as that of Canedian Army.

Alright ignore it, i dont mind. That just makes i can build rockets without shit from you.

To: Other nations.

From: King Roef

The Nuclkear program is dismantled. We got the nukes already build, they arent dismantled. They will be, after some talk and a deal.

[OOC: Devastation first, talk later.]

[OOC: Uiri, Uiri, Uiri. I see that now you know how it feels when you launch nuclear missiles but eventually just get ignored because the player in question does not care about your nukes. Let me take the fold.]

"Sir!"

A communications commissar ran into the meeting room. The Foreign Commissar, Grigor, stood and nodded.

"Uiri has launched nuclear missiles at Roef, but at the moment nothing seems to have happened. Should we follow through with the attack? Roef seems to have been the supplier of Canedian Army nuclear warheads."

"Send the first wave. 2,000 Topol M missiles."

"Yes, sir."

Silos throughout the far Stoklomolvi colony of Colombia opened up to reveal exactly 1,940 RT-2UTTH Topol M nuclear missiles. The approximate area where the Uir missiles were detected to have disappeared was set and scattered, and the missile wave would detonate in the approximate area. The fate of Roef would be the same as that of Canedian Army.

HO HO HO! How coud i know what he woud do with them? He is my btrother! I thought i woud help him ,but he used them stupid! Not my fould! Come on!
Alright, stok if taht is the way you want it.
I will die, but i will die in honor. I will fire the same amount of nukes, rockets and such. this will end here. Both our nations.

IC:

All nuclear missles came upground. Some where send to Stok's capital, other to airbases. Missle after missle took off. More and more. Than the rocket's got off. Than the warheads with no good missle on it, than the atom bombs.

The king went in a plane fast, trying to escape. He took the most inportant with him: Some soldiers, food, water, money and such. After minutes, all planes of Roef where filled with soldiers and defences. Money and weapons. They woud rebuild somewhere else. The rest of the nation, was left to die.
Most of the soldiers went awa with ships and trains. Others got into the very deep underground city's. Most of the soldeirs, woud survive. Some civilians fled, and landed to other lands. The king and all surviving Roef-ians woud gather at lands of an other nation in the region.

O, and all my nukes nad such, are this amount:

Nukes: 1500.
Atom bombs: 350.
Rockets: 100.000.
Warheads: 750.

That is what was shot at stok grounds.

You know? As Uiri ignored this all to, i will to. Everything here is not true anymore. That means i dont got nuclear weapons.

[OOC: I'm guessing that you don't know anything at all about my history. Vladistov has traditionally been along the Yalu River, which is at the far EASTERN portion of my nation. And if you read my factbook, my nation is 48,000 kilometres west to east. You launched nukes at me, so I will launch even more nukes at you. Do you even know if I have any airbases within range of your nukes? If you ignore that you have nukes, then so be it. None of this ever happened. We're all happy.]

I am happy if you dont nuke me, and i suppose you wont if i dont make nukes.

[OOC: My nation is still very weary of you, since you supplied Canedian Army, this tiny nation ruled by a nine year old, with nuclear warheads and indirectly wiped the capital of East Congaree off the map. However, so long as you have no more nukes, then you can expect no further trouble from me.]

High Earth Orbit

The first nuclear missile launches were detected by Salzland Over-The-Horizon radar arrays, specifically constructed for just such an occasion. All told, close to two thousand ICBMs breached the atmosphere, speeding towards a series of foreign targets, most likely Stoklomolvi, given the fact that an equal number of ICBMs were heading from there to Roef.

(OOC: 'Rocket' I'll assume to be a cruise missile, which my strategic defenses can't touch, and I'm just ignoring 'Warheads,' because a warhead is exactly that. A warhead, not a missile, not a bomb, just a warhead. Unless you send them in trucks or something and drive them to Stoklomolvi, they're not going to do anything.)

Such a large nuclear exchange would only end one way... with the eradication of a significant percentage of all life on Earth, between the actual explosions and the significant amount of fallout. Decidedly against Salzland's interests.

By deploying its entire constellation of 93 Falkasian BI-3 defense satellites, it would be possible for the Salzland Strategic Defense Command to disable or destroy a significant number of the ICBMs, perhaps saving the planet from an extinction-level event.

As one, each satellite swung towards the missiles heading towards Stoklomolvi. The Salzland government had been forced to make a hard choice, but in the end, the fate of Roef was sealed. Even were Salzland able to destroy every warhead heading to Roef, the Coalition organized against it would be able to send thousands more, and Roef would still burn. But by intercepting the missiles heading towards Stoklomolvi, it would be possible to prevent a nuclear holocaust, triggered when Stoklomovi and its allies responded to the successful Roef-ian nuclear strikes by launching even more missiles.

In the end, as the satellites fired at their first designated targets, it was a utilitarian solution to an impossible problem. Roef would burn, no matter what. But it wouldn't drag the rest of the world down with it.

EDIT: Since everyone apparently kissed and made up while I was typing, please ignore this as apparently this entire thread never existed.

[OOC: Hey, I would have turned him into the Marianas Trench had he not ignored the thread.]

OOC: Roef, you do not understand.

You can't afford to produce those nukes. Period. It is physically impossible unless you run your nation's economy into the ground. Oh wait, you already did that!

I am ignoring this thread because Roef has driven his nation billions - more likely trillions - of us dollars into debt by creating this nuclear program. He clearly has no concept of the cost of the nuclear program.

This thread couldn't have existed because Roef couldn't have this kind of nuclear program EVEN IF HE HAS NO MILITARY AT ALL.

OOC: Ah'men to that Uiri.