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of the
UNITED SOCIALIST STATES OF BURTILANA


Dear Interested Parties,

The BSF has recently started its' own naval program to help futther its' special operation capabilities. We are opening up a contract competition to the great shipbuilders and desginers of the world to help us.
What we invision is a fleet of stealth ships capable of sneaking close enough to an enemy to strike. The fleet will be known as the 'Ghost Navy'.
The numbers of vessels that we require is not yet confirmed but we do know that we shall require the following:
Frigates
Destroyers
Helicopter Carriers
Submarines
Landing Craft

The only limitations to this contract is the need for a reduction of radar cross sections, visibility and noise. Money is no object, so create what you wish.
The prize shall be the contract, and a prize sum of $20bn. The contract and prize money may be split between several companies if no sole contractor can supply adequate plans for all of our vessel requirements.

We Thank you for your interest and wish you luck if you participate.

Head of the BSF
High General Sam Bartram

OOC: I imagine the helicopter carrier to be hardest on to create, but perhaps a light-weight carbon fibre roof/canopy thing that opens up to allow the helicopters out? so radar doesn't pick up the helicopters.

OOC: You want everything to be stealth right?

OOC: Wow, that's some scary navy - though wouldn't it just be easier to create a massive radar jammer, or jamming ship - or just put radar jammers on the ships, rather than having specially created ships which will cost a fortune?

OOC: I can get you a jammer system if that'll be cheaper.

OOC: I can get you a jammer system if that'll be cheaper.

OOC: It's the simpler option though, isn't it? It's like saying "I'll spend £50 on this new roof light!" even though £2.99 lightbulbs would solve your problem.

OOC: Actually in Australia, its $0.75 for a natural lightbulb now that solves your problem! Anyhow, back to be serious. How big of a jammer would you want?

OOC: that may work, but I would require the ships to go off on their own at times, so each would need their own jamming system.
Basically someway of them being hidden from radar, low noise and low profile, so not to be very visible.

Well, I've been looking for an excuse to draft something stealthy, so... I'm on it <.<

buROARmp

Not to mention that a jammer, while effective at making a big white blotch, makes it more of a "I'm RIGHT HERE! FLY PLANES OVER ME!" Navy, rather than a "Shh, i'm sneaking" Navy.

Not to mention that a jammer, while effective at making a big white blotch, makes it more of a "I'm RIGHT HERE! FLY PLANES OVER ME!" Navy, rather than a "Shh, i'm sneaking" Navy.

Yeah, but same thing with a "stealth" navy. It would still be visible, just less visible and invisible (almost) to radar.

Yeah, unlike stealth aircraft, which travel at sufficiant speed to escape quickly if seen by the naked eye, a navy - however stealthy - is still rather cumbersome and obvious should a light airplane pass over and report you to base.

Thats where a sneaky missile comes in handy when ya first spot it ;)

Ah, radar jammers. Best friend of AShMs set to radiation seeking mode. Anything that's putting out a jamming signal is like a giant Liberachi bouncing around the deck of your aircraft carrier with a big sign saying "Shoot me!"

So best plan would be to employ stealth designs? sloped sides etc.

OOC: There are already some pretty good stealth ship designs in RL (Visby, the Horizon and Lafayette frigates, and even the Arleigh Burke class has stealth features). Naturally the carrier would be the most difficult deisgn, but the Navy did publish some pictures of "stealth" carriers in the early days of the CVNX program.

Stealth Frigate: http://forums3.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=564942

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UNITED SOCIALIST STATES OF BURTILANA


That is an impressive vessel, and our first entrant, will you be entering any other classes of vessels?

Head of the BSF
High General Sam Bartram

bumpity

aww no other takers? =(

Actually, the best plan would be a normal navy with stealth aircraft capable of dropping troops or vehicles (in my opinion).

OOC: Stay tuned Burt, I've got some new stealthy (partial stealth) designs and one full stealth vessel coming out soon. I just prefer to release them all at the same time.

OOC: O_O ooo ok cool! can't wait to see them!!

OOC: Ah, ok, I got a few designs out, check the Fox Class and Berg Class ships in the storefront link in my siggy--a few more should be up soon.

Phoenix Dynamix has some submarine classes which may be of interest to you particularly the SeaSquid Class, which can carry a helicopter.
To learn more about our submarines and thier prices, click here. (http://phoenixdynamix.proboards38.com/index.cgi?board=ships&action=display&thread=33)
-Maximus Seville II, CEO Phoenix Dynamix

OFFICIAL COMMUNICATION
of the
Burtilana Special Forces


To: Eisenseite Naval Industries, Phoenix Dynamix
From: High General Sam Bartram, BSF
Re: Contract Comp.

We thank you for your interest in the contracts, and shall study all entants wih great interest. We cannot wait for the other vessels to be released by Eisenseite Naval Industries, and hope that a helicopter carrying vessel, able to carry more than one, is found.

Bump-any more offers?

I'll get on it but be warned. . .I'm relatively new at creating specs etc.

hehe thats cool, so am I hence why I do al these competitions, also I am designing me some sort of helicopter carrier, based on the US SeaFighter.

OFFICIAL COMMUNICATION
of the
Burtilana Special Forces


To: Eisenseite Naval Industries, Phoenix Dynamix
From: High General Sam Bartram, BSF
Re: Contract Comp.

We thank you for your interest in the contracts, and shall study all entants wih great interest. We cannot wait for the other vessels to be released by Eisenseite Naval Industries, and hope that a helicopter carrying vessel, able to carry more than one, is found.

OOC: The Fox carries three--that's why I recommended it to you.

OOC: haha I missed that point!! cheers

http://img134.imageshack.us/img134/3079/helicoptercarrier4copyht5.jpg

The catamaran design gives the Adventure class increased stability even in the roughest of seas. This is accomplished by placing most of the ship's displacement below the level of the waves (like a submarine) where all the kinetic energy of the sea surface is located. Conversely, ships with traditional hull designs have most of their displacement in the wave level of the sea, causing them to roll and pitch in the waves. With twin gas turbine engines, twin water jets, and a streamlined hull, Adventure is capable of speeds of 45 knots and greater.
Space at the rear is designated for holding two small craft, upto 11m in length, which can be launched simoutaneously from the stern, at full speed. This includes assault craft and submersibles. The vessel also has a 6-pad helicopter deck capable of operating aircraft up to 20m in length, including unmanned aerial vehicles, and landing helicopters while traveling at speeds of up to 45 knots. A special deck lighting system has been developed for the Adventure using low intensity green lighting around the vessel's edges and helipads. This lighting is particularly effective when using night vision goggles, making landings on the vessel easier than on conventional warships, even at the higher speeds in which vessel operates. The deck consists of 2 elevators, with hanger space for 6 helicopters. (must have folding rotors.)
The Adventure Class' forward superstructure consists of a small three man bridge, above the bridge is a small one man flight operations station, giving excellent views of the flight deck. The contolling of the Adventure class vessel is more like that of a LCAC then that of a conventional warship.
Power comes from two MTU 595 diesel engines and two LM2500 gas turbines in a CODOG (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CODOG)arrangement. Diesel power is used for cruising while the turbines provide high power output for high speed operation. The two gas turbines power the vessels twin water jets, drawing water from the bottom stern of each hull and powering it through large water turbines, which are responsible for the vessel's remarkable speed. Each water jet has thrust vectoring and thrust reversers making it possible for Adventure to move sideways while docking, or even traveling in reverse. Thrust vectoring also makes it possible for the vessel to make dramatic evasive maneuvers while traveling at high speed. This would prevent the craft from being forced to shore or into the path of enemy vessels.
The Adventure Class ship has a high tech computer system to control its systems and for navigation. Steering and throttle control are done by wire rather than mechanical linkage. The vessel can be used in brown water and blue water, and littoral situations.
The ships hull is made from strong and light Aluminium alloys, due to its design this class is ideal for stealth, it has a low profile, minimal vertical lines and minimal use of right angles. Its' radar cross-section makes it appear about the size of a mid sized fishing vessel. The magnetic signature is reduced by the presence of a demagnetization belt. The acoustic signature is minimized by mounting the engines on elastic supports, as to transmit as little vibrations to the hull as possible, and by rubber coating on the propellers. It is equipped with the Prairie Masker active acoustic camouflage system, which generate small bubbles from underneath the hull to confuse sonars. (as used on the La Fayette) The crew is protected against biological, chemical and nuclear environments.

*most technical data copied from Wiki, will create my own in future*

Specifications:
Displacement: 11940 tons
Length: 331ft (101 m)
Beam: 118.11 ft (36 m)
Height: 100.06 ft (30.5 m)
Draft: 24.6 ft (7.5 m)
75.45 ft (23 m)
[b]Propulsion: 2x MTU 595 diesel engines and 2x LM2500 gas turbines, in an CODOG arrangement.
Speed: 36 knots (cruising) 45 knots (sprint)
Range: 4,400 nautical miles (8,100 km) / 12 days supplies
Complement: 4 officers, 30 enlisted, 15 aircrew
Armament:
- NEED VLS AA LAUNCH SYSTEM
- 5x M60 Mk.43 mod.0 (http://world.guns.ru/machine/mg12-e.htm) (1 facing forward, 2 rear facing, 1 left, 1 right facing, not shown.)
Aircraft: 6x helicopters with folding rotors and under 20 metres in length. i.e WAH-64 Apache
Other Asset(s): AN/SLQ-25 Nixie torpedo decoy
Sensors:
BES-DBR/01 S/X Band Radar
IR/LIDAR Suite
Aircraft Land/Takeoff Suite
Landing deck: length: 229.65 ft (70 m) width: 108.26 ft (33 m) . 6x 65.6 ft (20 m) X 52.49 ft (16 m) helipads.

OOC: based on the Sea Fighter, I made it larger to accomadate for a small airwing, but as for weapons, im clueless! It is my first vessel, I want them all to be VLS missiles.
OOC2: Please forgive the drawing!!

^^^
Under modification on NSD

Bump

OOC: I imagine the helicopter carrier to be hardest on to create, but perhaps a light-weight carbon fibre roof/canopy thing that opens up to allow the helicopters out? so radar doesn't pick up the helicopters.
I just remembered I have something just like that....

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Phoenix Dynamix would also like to offer its Apex Class Destroyer.
Apex Class Destroyer DD-91
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v293/grunt74/NS1/DD-91.jpg
The Apex class has a remarkably low draft which makes it ideal for combat near the coast (or near icebergs and ice flows). It is extremely quiet and features a stealthy, angular shape and is covered with an advanced marine stealth coating. The helipad can hold one full-size helicopter or 2 unmanned helos. The hangar holds an additional 2 unmanned helicopters or 1 full size chopper. For on deck storage of aircraft, a stealth coated cover ,which has been compared to the top of a convertible automobile, is extended to ensure stealth is maintained. An included Pioneer III UAV can be launched an recovered from the flight deck by a rail and arrestor system. It can be armed with one stinger missile, 5 unguided rockets and one TOW-3 missile, and a 15.5mm (or .50 cal) machine gun with an attached M-49 automatic grenade launcher, but its primary purpose is spotting, recon and electronic jamming. The Apex Class also features composite armor plating on the hull, deck and superstructure.
Propulsion
(2) LM2502 PDX Marine Gas Turbines (100,000 shp)
(4) Phoenix Dynamix 1500 KW Diesel generators
(2) Shafts with CRP (Controllable Reversible Pitch) Propellers
(2) Bow thrust waterjets for extra maneuverability
Speed: 40 knots
Armament
(1) 5 inch/56 caliber (TPM 128mm Naval) or 140mm ETC or 6 inch high velocity "coilgun"(depending on tech level)
(24) MK 89 Mod 1 Vertical Launching System Cells
[Standard missile (SM-2 or SA-101 SAM) and Tomahawk or Hatchet ASM/LAM
(NATO) Evolved Sea Sparrow]
(2) Stinger II CIWS quad IR SAM launchers
(2) MK 32 Triple Torpedo Tubes (six MK 50/46 Torpedoes)
(2) 20mm /25mm or 30mm multi-purpose CIWS
(2) 23mm or 25mm chaingun
(2) Triple anti ship missile ports (accepts harpoons, exocets, penguins and ASROCs)
Aircraft
(1) Pioneer III or simmilar UAV
-PLUS-
(4) Unmanned Helicopters
-OR-
(2) Manned helicopters (AH-1A1 Cobra, AH-220, AH-64 SH-60 SH-65A etc)
-OR-
(1) large helicopter (CH-53 CH-47 V-22 etc)
Sensors
AN/ARS-24 Air-Search Radar
AN/SPY-1D 3-D Radar
AN/SPS-67(V)3 Surface Radar
AN/SQS-53C(V) Sonar
AN/SQR-44W Side Scan Sonar
Crew
(14) officers
(117) enlisted + aircrews
Price: $650million

interesting ship ^^

Updated my own entry, still under modification on NSD, if it works, I shall use this as my main carrier.